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to be honest i really don't wanna get into a debate about this and i agree with some of the points you are raising but then did you really just make a blog to police all those freelice blogs? i just don't see the point

To be honest I get tired of debating on a computer too and I'm sorry you don't see the point. I'm glad you are asking me to clarify it. I'm going to try and explain better (and once and for all):

I believe that several things I see on Freelice blogs are wrong. I don't think freelice blogs should not exist - e.g. exposing Felice's scams is helping potential victims and exposing her photoshop is helping young girls to not idolise her body, BUT I am disturbed by some very personal attacks that would not be so widely accepted if it was directed at someone else. Like the cartoons, the memes, the slamming of just about anything she says which would be ignored coming from someone else but because she said it, it's got to be analysed to the letter, etc. I believe these are spoiling otherwise very informative and stimulating blogs. I get the outrage against Felice, she's got more to answer for than most, but that stuff just doesn't sit right. I don't get it. (Sometimes I almost wish I did, it would be so easy right now to happily make my own freelice blog and make lots of new friends quickly. Oh well.)

Hence, this blog is for me to express what I really think and point out that freelicers do sometimes cross the line, IMO. You might say, "so what?" but people have been asking the same of freelicers. In general, freelice blogs are started because their owners know that what felice is doing is wrong and they want to encourage people not to fall for her shit. Well, I made this blog to talk about the things that I know in my own head are wrong and encourage viewers to see that there might be limits being forgotten about in all this.

Is what I am doing 'policing'? I'm really not sure what that word should mean in this context but if you really think it is, then it's all right with me.

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I agree with what you're saying, Freelice has totally been going too far with comparing her to Gollum, bullying Rebecca and then you for having this blog is despicable! I used to really admire them, they helped me realise that Felice was not to be an idol for body image, but then they keep doing this kind of shit where they try to "call her out" and pinpoint it on "scamming" (she's making profit, good for her) when hundreds of other companies do the same thing? The fuck?

Firstly, thank you for extending your support and I’m glad that you took the good things away from the Freelice blogs yet didn’t get caught up in the group-think and remained able to say, “ok I agree with THIS but I still don’t like THIS.”

Now about ‘calling [Felice] out��� and ‘pinpointing it on scamming’.You know what scamming is so I’m not going to explain it, but the issue here is whether it’s okay to expose Felice’s scams. In my opinion, them calling out Felice on her scams, with evidence, is not just okay, it’s good. Scamming is the same as stealing and what makes Felice’s scams particularly awful is that the people getting scammed by her are the people who like her and without whom she would have no support. It’s predatory. People need to be made aware of the fact that she scams so that they don’t throw their money away. She has no right to their money. Plus being cheated isn’t only about money, it can also cause feelings of hurt, disappointment, embarrassment and anger in the victims, who only wanted to purchase something to make themselves happy. The law that makes scamming a crime reflects society’s appreciation of all this.

I believe the fact that scamming is a very common crime de-sensitizes us to it and it’s not on the same level as murder or rape (a common argument put to Freelicers to stop exposing Felice scams) BUT that doesn’t change anything about the fact that it’s wrong. 100 thieves or 100,000 thieves doesn’t make stealing less or more wrong, just less or more of a problem. And the world would make no sense if ONLY murderers and rapists had to answer for their actions, but I suspect people bring it up because they don’t see what the big fuss is about, not because they don’t think scamming is bad. Which brings me to the next point you made.

Is scamming something about Felice to put a lot of focus or pinpointing on? My position on that is why not. I mean, publishing a newspaper about it could be going too far, but as I said above scamming is a crime for good reasons and Felice has influence over a LOT of people. There are loads of people who get scammed by her and probably there would have been loads more if not for the exposure of her scams. She has never admitted to scamming and appears to feel no remorse. So, I don’t think discussing her scamming a lot is bullying, it’s just… discussing her scamming a lot.

Hypothetically, if she felt sorry for what she done and made genuine attempts to make amends and didn’t scam again, I think it MAY be bullying to continue to label her a scammer and shame her. That depends.

What a bloody long reply. I ordinarily wouldn’t spend so much time on this except that you seem like a person who doesn’t take every point of view presented to them (which is awesome) so out of acknowledgement of that I am explaining my position as fully as I can and I really really want you to understand why Felice’s scamming cannot be accepted and why it is good that Felice’s scams are widely talked about (with reason).

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you're hating on supposed hate blogs....oh the hypocrisy

?? Well, I guess I disagree because I don't have a knee-jerk reaction to put down everything freelicers do; I agree with where they are coming from and many of their actual 'truth' posts, though I question CERTAIN disturbing actions that I do not find to be about 'truth' or helping others. It's not a simple position to take, but I try to explain myself. Of course people are not going to like what I'm doing and will perceive my posts as hate. But thanks for your opinion and I hope that you will visit my blog more (it's still new) and think about what I talk about. And I promise I won't harass you if you don't agree.

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I am glad people like you exist because honestly, this Freelice take things too far. I am far from being a proponent of Felice but the way they conduct themselves is absolutely disgusting. They claim to be truth blogs who's only goal is to aid and protect those harmed by Felice, but what does creating shitty, cruel caricatures of her accomplish? How does this tell of any truths? And comedy relief? Give me a fucking break. It's nice to know that mine and Felices anorexia is so humorous to them.

I’m really sorry that you have anorexia and I will be here for you if you ever need. Also, you are asking the same questions I did regarding certain aspects of freelice. It’s messed up, isn’t it? However, I highly doubt that freelicers find anorexia ‘humorous’, I can’t imagine anyone being that dark and… soul-less. Some might just seem that way or indifferent because of the way they talk about Felice’s anorexia and her claim to be recovering, and they are not meant to be read as discussing EDs in general. But people could certainly stand to have a little more sensitivity. The gollum stuff is hurtful because it is based on the connection between the thin body and the ugly creepy movie character. It would be nice if freelicers like fuckno-felicefawn would consider the hurt that their actions cause in others, but you should simply stop looking at that crap and focus on the good/healing things in your real life and spend time with the people who will love you through your anorexia to recovery.

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From withdrawnfawn2: Please provide evidence of your claim on the following:

“people like cleverfreelice who challenge Freelicers always get shouted down and bloggers like positivefreelice get sent anonymous hate.”

I respect the arguments and enjoy the posts of freelicers who ARE genuinely open and calm about criticism or doubt directed at them. For example, liceydeers. Not saying I love everything she posts, but I can appreciate that her responses are sincere and even when people are really rude, she doesn't get het up in defence mode.

I didn't say ALL Freelicers behave in the way I talked about and geez you're a lucky person to never see such ugly behaviour on your dash.

Current favourite example: felolenenok (don't tell me he/she wasn't frothing at the mouth here)

The 3rd person was the-truth-about-felice-fawn

Also, do take a look at these ones that I already pointed out: 

http://imsofreelice.tumblr.com/post/69165949815/when-freelicers-do-not-respond-to-a-point-made-but-band

http://imsofreelice.tumblr.com/post/69163046883/the-real-personality-of-the-truth-about-felice-fawn-and

{edit: by the way, I didn't even have to look too hard, I found these reblogged/posted on ONE freelicer blog}

{edit: I did not realize that felolenenok is not technically known as a freelicer, thanks the-truth-about-felice-fawn. I was really surprised to read that. I checked his/her blog and he/she has indeed stated "I'm not freelice". I based my perception of him/her as a freelicer on the many posts on the felice fawn topic and the many reblogs of freelice posts. I'm confused now but all right I will simply not call felolenenok a freelicer anymore.}

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Worth a separate post

"... Most of the bloggers I’ve seen exposing her have stressed the fact that if something they/we have said has been particularly hurtful/offensive, that the person who feels this way should approach us, and most of us have anonymous enabled.” - withdrawnfawn

"the stuff written in italics I don’t see, because people like cleverfreelice who challenge Freelicers always get shouted down and bloggers like positivefreelice get sent anonymous hate." - me

What withdrawnfawn says is true, a lot of freelicers CLAIM that they are open to comment by someone uncomfortable with their posts but in reality will turn around and respond with aggression (or a snappy gif).

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"There’s a new sheriff in town, who claims they gonna supervise “freelice” blogs and they go by the name of imsofreelice." - felicewho

That could almost be an opening line for a movie.

I have never claimed that I will 'supervise' anybody like a manager at bloody McDonald's and the word sheriff reminds me to continue to never watch Cowboys vs Aliens

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I talked a bit about fuckno-felicefawn's gollum illustrations of Felice Fawn, ending it with a general request for someone to explain to me why someone would go out of their way to do that sort of thing.

My thoughts on withdrawnfawn's response:

1. "Felice’s fake, photoshopped body is compared to gollum."

It's still a form of very personal bullying behaviour, therefore I don't see why that makes it better...? And, I still ask, WHY.

2. "I can’t speak for who drew this, and you have a right to an opinion (but lol that you think a seemingly quick sketch would take hours). However if you think THAT is a cry for help, what must you think of Felice’s pathetic attempt to get people to believe she is some great and original artist, when she secretly traces at least 95% of her drawings?"

That blog owner has drawn many similar sketches and I'm not about to calculate exactly how long doing all them has taken, but I think 'hours' off the top of my head is not unreasonable. Or maybe I do sketch slower than he/she does (and you're welcome to have a laugh about that). I see what happened here and I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that you did misunderstand my use of the word "THIS". And since you asked, I have little respect for her tracing work and it could actually be stealing intellectual property, though I'm not going for "well they did this but look SHE does that" today.

3. "I think that truthbloggers/freelicers get so frustrated with the ridiculousness of Felice’s bullshittery that we enjoy some comic relief. Sometimes these may be in bad taste, and yes people have taken things too far in the past. Most of the bloggers I’ve seen exposing her have stressed the fact that if something they/we have said has been particularly hurtful/offensive, that the person who feels this way should approach us, and most of us have anonymous enabled."

Now THIS answers my question. Ok, I get the comic relief thing. On the other hand, the stuff written in italics I don't see, because people like cleverfreelice who challenge Freelicers always get shouted down and bloggers like positivefreelice get sent anonymous hate.

On the whole, serves me right for being enticed to read something by numbered formatting. Never again.

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I hope blogs like you and stoppingthehatred stick around.

Thanks. I know we can’t be the only ones who don’t support Felice and at the same time don’t accept some of the ridiculous, repulsive bullying that is supposed to be justified by claiming ‘Freelice’. Truth blogs are a great idea, but then they tend to end up being hate blogs. It’s up to those of us who can see that to call out the ones who cross the line. Felice influences people. Well, so do Freelicers. Spreading venom is not how to teach the truth to the young people tricked by Felice. It mainly teaches that if you think you are justified in conducting yourself spitefully and have friends to back you up, then it’s all right.

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I'll never believe any freelice blog that claims they take '10 minutes' out of their day to run their blogs. Certain blogs make several long and analytical text posts a day (let's not even mention the series of drawings that have come out in the past). That amount if invested time into someone else's life takes more than 10 minutes surely!

Hmm I haven't read anyone write that they only spend 10 minutes on their blogs. For some, that may be true but I certainly would not believe many Freelice blogs if they said so. It sounds like over-compensating. I guess it would be embarrassing to admit to spending a lot of time and energy obsessing over and ranting about a single person. The whole hate blog thing is embarrassing, anyway.

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Thank you new followers and I will reply all messages later :) cheers

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Freelice... or fucking weird?

From the time and energy of fuckno-felicefawn:

There are a LOT of these ones on that blog.

I've already made my comment about comparing people, including Felice, to Gollum. It's never anything to be proud of and needs to die.

I like drawing too. I draw stuff that makes me happy. So, I honestly think that using your artistic skill and probably hours of time you'll never get back for THIS is a cry for help.

You don't like Felice for the scamming, triggering, lies, blah blah? Fine. You want to write about it to inform others? Fine. But what the hell is this about, I honestly do not know and I am begging for someone to explain it to me.

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My response as I sit here trying to drink a glass of water but failing because my face and hands:

And I was feeling sorry about misjudging you literally one minute ago oh lordy

[Edit: I was going to make this a little separate post but I might as well put it here for convenience:

It is an overly-used assumption in Freelicing that ANYONE who is not totally down with Freelice or who sends Felice nice messages must be Felice herself. I'm not even a Felice fan but she's got 91000+ followers at this point, so THINK. I really can't be bothered to spell this one out. Also my hands still have a bit of the giggle-shakes.]

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A response

Hey, the-truth-about-felice-fawn read my blog.

I did misunderstand a post she made and I apologize about that. It would have been nice if she took a mere 10 seconds to tell me instead of talking like an 8-year-old about it on her own, but I am not surprised. Moving on.

I will not remove the post, but replace the screencap with a screencap of another post from a Freelice blog that still proves my point. I was wrong about this particular example but there are bloody hundreds more out there and there can be no mistake about a lot of them.

Thanks for clearing this up and I will be more careful in future.

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When Freelicers do not respond to a point made but band together and make very personal threats.

Example:

Felicewho? could have ignored the anon or just responded 'lol'. There are lots of ways to flip off an annoying person online.

But this is screwed up. So, you know whoistherealfelicefawn personally and ...? What? Why should that make the anon want to shut up? This is fucking weird.

But I have to admit that's a great Voldemort/Britney gif.

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Someone write about this one for me, I can't even.