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Remember how.

Some things just need to exist. Like Jungkook straddling Jimin’s lap and lowkey grinding down while they’re swallowing each other’s kisses and Jimin impatiently raising up the shirt that was tucked in Kookie’s way too tight pants. Yeah.

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reblog if you would still support a member after coming out as lgbt+

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Sooo 2 years later.. Is there yet an explanation for Jungkook’s reaction that day, other than mad jealousy?

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More KM in today's episode! But what do you think about how JM hovered around Jin and V? It makes me less confident about his intentions with the JK medical situation...

Jimin is the type to be concerned about others, we’ve all known this for quite some time now. However, if you look at his behavior, it’s always appropriate.

He eavesdropped on Jin and Tae’s conversation, but he didn’t butt in until he felt confident that his intrusion would release the tension in the room instead of adding to it. Despite his concern, he didn’t force his presence until it was appropriate, because he has better social sense than that.

Compare that to Jungkook’s situation, where he practically had to be pried away from that boy with the jaws of life. If they were just friends, him sticking around in that little side room when everybody else left would’ve been very inappropriate. But stick around he did. If anything, the scene with Jin and Tae only further displays the difference in their relationships. He loves and cares about the others, but he maintains an appropriate level of distance so as not to smother them.

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Bringing back this bit from Burn the Stage episode 2 because I recently stumbled upon an interesting observation.

During the clip where Jungkook gets tended to by the staff backstage (during the performance, not after), we see Namjoon and Hobi standing around beside him. Some clips before that also showed Jimin peeking in, and later we hear a staff call out to him saying ‘Jimin, let’s go.’ He says something else too but that bit was not translated in the original video.

However, thanks to a K-army’s video (they have their video unlisted so I won’t post either the video or mention their name cause they are a private account) they were able to tell what was said in the background. So when we read the caption “Jimin, let’s go” the staff says in korean: 지민아, 먼저 올라가. 너 먼저 올라가고, 정국이 나중에 올라가 which is translated as: Jimin ah, go up first. You go up first and Jungkookie will come up later. 

I trimmed the audio alone and uploaded a slowed-down version of that part to make out the dialogue better. It’s not perfect, but you can hear bits of the convo. There is a random woman’s voice cutting in between, but if you listen closely you can hear the male staff’s voice say ‘jungkookie…’ right where the woman’s voice fades out. Not all people will catch on to it immediately as you need to know Korean and your ears to be trained for that.

This actually tells us two things for sure:

That Jimin was indeed waiting around (with Namjoon and Hobi but out of focus of the camera) to check on Jungkook.

That Jimin refused to leave Jungkook’s side until the staff reassured him that Jungkook will follow behind.

I’d like to tie this in with the scene after the performance ended in Burn the Stage ep. 3, when Jungkook collapsed and was brought back to the medical room. This scene has already been debated on several times (here’s my own take on it) but let’s look at it with the new info I just shared.

Many mentioned that Jimin staying behind in the medical room is not a big deal but first let’s get some facts straightened out:

You are not allowed to stay behind in a medical room unless you are family or spouse. Those are the concrete rules.

It is not up to the patient or the visitors to decide who gets to stay behind when said patient is being tended to. Especially in an emergency situation such as this one.

With this in mind, there is no way that Jimin would have been allowed to stay back in the room UNLESS it was approved by the medical staff themselves. You can argue saying they needed someone’s help to tend to Jungkook but that argument would be nonsensical since there are already several staff around to do that. Jimin specifically was not needed. Yet, he was allowed to stay.

Tie this in with the above audio clip of the staff having to reassure Jimin firmly that Jungkook will follow behind, for him to leave the younger’s side. Note, they did not say this to Namjoon and Hobi despite them both being there as well.

So what does this say? To me, it speaks volumes about KM’s relationship not just from their own point of view, but from the staff and the rest of the members as well.

We know that Jimin is a perfectionist when it comes to performing on stage. He’s even fainted on stage before, meaning he performed even at his worst and refused to cancel out on the show. So for someone like him to NOT leave Jungkook’s side during a performance tells a lot about Jimin’s emotional state at that time; he could not go out and perform unless he knew that Jungkook was alright. While Namjoon was balancing out his priority between making sure Jungkook was ok and seeing the concert through smoothly, Jimin’s sole focus at that time was Jungkook. And we see the effects of that in the subsequent clips.

This also connects to Jimin barely acknowledging the rest of the members when they came in to check on Jungkook after the show. Jimin was in the room from the start. We also see Jin, and then Namjoon enters the room. Then we see Suga, Hobi and Tae. While leaving, no one batted an eye towards Jimin, as if they were certain that he would stay behind. The staff did not ask him to leave, he did not ask to be allowed to stay. It was an unspoken agreement, which in a hospital, only happens when dealing with family/spouse.

In conclusion, Jimin staying behind was indeed approved by the medical staff. And the above conversation bit further proves that Jimin MEANT TO stay behind.

Another thing to note. Someone mentioned that RM/JH “respected Jungkook’s wishes for them to step outside”. The same person also mentioned that “Jungkook wanted Jimin to stay behind.” This is not true.

Fact is, Jungkook was near unconscious at the time. He did not respond to Jin’s ‘are you ok?’ as he was already on the respirator at that time. (3:35 - 3:38). He also did not respond when Hobi asked ‘do you want us to get out?’ (3:38). Hobi then says ‘it will be easier if they remove his pants. Let’s get out.’ to which Jin replies ‘Yeah’ and they all leave (3:39 - 3:42). Throughout all this, Jungkook was on the respirator. So no, he did not ask anyone to leave or stay, it was an unspoken order by the medical staff that Hobi voiced aloud and the rest of BTS, except Jimin followed through.

Some more points I’d like to touch on. Some argued saying Jimin would do this for any member, but let me remind you, in BV2 when Hobi fell seasick and he was resting, Jimin did not stay behind. He was with the rest of the members. In that situation, there were no medical staff involved, no protocol to follow so Jimin could have easily stayed behind to tend to his hyung if he wanted to, and no one would have batted an eye. However, he and Suga only went to check up on Hobi AFTER they were done with their agenda for the day. Point number one.

Point number two, the whole idea of Jimin being allowed to stay because he’s Jungkook’s “older brother” is utter bullshit. (If you still have that thought in mind, please dispose of it). Social status means nothing in a medical emergency situation. Unless Jimin is Jungkook’s brother BY BLOOD, his social status as Jungkook’s ‘hyung’ will not grant him free pass to stay behind. By that definition, the ones who would be asked to stay would be either Namjoon or Jin or one of their managers instead.

So, a key takeaway from this episode, and this scene in particular is that:

Jimin given equal importance as ‘family/spouse’ in a medical setting means that KM has a special relationship that is acknowledged by the medical team, BH staff and BTS members.

Despite Namjoon and Hobi being on the scene, the staff had to particularly reassure Jimin that Jungkook would be alright, before he agreed to go on stage.

Jimin was trusted enough by the medical staff to move Jungkook’s leg (another thing that only family/spouse is allowed to do. Touching the patient while the doctor is tending to them is a big no otherwise) while he was unconscious.

And let’s not forget, the member dynamics at the end when Jungkook joins them for the group shot; Hobi asking him when he started to feel sick, Jin complimenting him on staying professional throughout, Namjoon saying that Jungkook even rapped with him and of course, Jimin remarking on how he felt really down that day and how Suga’s little bit of impromptu dancing cheered him up, Tae laughing and joking alongside them. This showcases the strong bond that OT7 have as a whole, and also how they were attuned to KM; they were checking up on both Jungkook AND Jimin here.

All of this tells us so much about KM’s relationship and the fact that they chose to share this with us means that they want us to know, to understand. So instead of negating or denying the fact that this was a monumental peek into Jimin and Jungkook’s dynamics, take a step back, clear your biases and watch the video again. 

The lyrics in GCF in Tokyo will make so much more sense now.

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True af

me, an intellectual: true love doesn’t exist ok- *watches GCF in Tokyo* i WaNt tO fALL iN LoVE toO

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Running running just to keep my hands on you

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You are the cause of my euphoria

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Shove this to the faces of some uneducated shippers. Karma is a bitch and a KM supporter.

“Open your eyes, can you see me now?”: Thoughts on parts of Burn the Stage, ep.3

I think I understand why some BTS fans prefer to turn a blind eye to things that might upset them. Idols exist to weave a fantastic dream for their fans, and it is therefore completely understandable that some may wish to live in that dream and close their eyes to the reality.

It’s not wrong, I only wish it were different. I wish that those who chose to close their eyes to the truth would either be brave enough to eventually walk out of that dream and accept their idol for who they truly are, OR simple be honest and say clearly “I prefer not to know.” One cannot have it both ways without becoming hypocritical—one cannot say that one loves the idol and accept them no matter what and at the same time blatantly close their eyes when the idol takes off his mask.

This is probably why Burn the Stage is so hard for a part of the fandom to appreciate and accept fully without prejudice. I have for a long time purposely distanced myself from talking directly about this side of the fandom, as it upsets me and prevents me from fully enjoying BTS and their work and effort, but today, I felt the need to address something from today’s episode 3, as I feel like the stigma and prejudice is too heavy for me to simply set aside and ignore.

First, FACTS only:

JK was very ill and faint during the Wings concert’s last day in Chile. We see the members evidently distressed and worried. Hobi explains how he heard about JK’s situation and how worried he was (1:35), we see JK being attended to by medical and support staff, he’s pale and worn out; we see Jimin anxiously peeping into the room where JK was at through the black curtains (2:00), JM’s alert, focused, alarmed. JK was given oxygen, RM was standing nearby (and from Ep. 2, we know that Jimin was also there by JK’s side at this moment, as someone had called to him saying “Jimin, we have to go,” and we saw a brief glimpse of JM walking past the camera). We see JK put back on his shirt and return to the stage. And we hear RM speaking about how worried he was (2:24).

After the concert, we see JK being supported off stage, and was brought into a room where he could lie down (3:16). Medical staff tending to him, while JM was close by, right behind the medical staff, looking down and observing JK with his full attention (3:22). The other members stood in the room near the door, giving JK, JM, the medical and support staff room and air to breathe and work. We see Jimin bending down to assist the staff to stretch out JK’s leg. RM then clearly said (3:30): ”Jungkook, do you want us to leave? It’ll be better to take your pants off.” and JK replied with a “Yes.” Hobi and the others then said “Let’s go out,” and hence left the room.

JK then tells us about his experience, RM also. The video pans back to scenes in the concert, and we can see how bad it really was for JK, and what he had to work through. Returning back to JK’s “ward”, the medical staff was still attending to JK, and behind them, we see that the majority of the people who were originally in the room had indeed left, but JM remained (4:26). A further shoot shows JM clearly still in the room, now smiling, as JK was conscious and well enough to object against the idea of the staff taking off his socks, so as to preserve his pride.

It is therefore, a FACT, that when RM said “do you want us to leave?” “and Hobi’s ”Let’s go out”, the “us” and the “let’s” did not include JM. It is a FACT that JM’s relationship with JK was different to JK’s relationship to his other hyungs.

From further down the clip, we can see that the other members also worried a great deal about JK, Suga even admitting to crying about it. So it is not that they cared less, it is because for some reason or other, JM had priority to be with JK during his moments of distress, and the members and staff are all accepting of JM’s precedence over them, and willing to put their own worries aside for a while so that JK could have the privacy and comfort he needed from JM.

I write about the above in detail, stressing it, because the above is NOT an interpretation, NOT a discourse, it is a FACT. It is what Bighit and the boys are choosing to show us. It is who they are, how they interact, what their relationship is like. So please do not tell others that it is a shipping moment and refuse to see what is shown to you.

If you love them enough, if you love them as much as you claim to love them, then open your eyes and look behind the mask. It might not be what you like, it might make you uncomfortable, or confuse you, or challenge your understanding of the world… these are all unpleasant feelings, but if you love them, please choose to love them for who they are and take a step out of your comfort zone.

As for an interpretation, my opinion, and I think those of you who have read my other posts would know already, that I am always of the view that only family and couples would have this type of precedence over all others to be with that someone in the moments of distress. Such precedence is unanimously agreed upon, accepted, and never challenged. How often do we see in real life, when one goes to visit a loved one in hospital, it is “family only for now,” meaning only the partner, parents, and children. It’s common knowledge, the only explanation that would make the most sense.

“Take off your mask and open your eyes,” “can you see me now?” Being forced out of your comfort zone is no reason for one to blatantly ignore or twist the truth. I have listed the facts; whether one chooses to disagree with my interpretation is your own choice, but please reference from telling others to “Don’t make it a moment about ships!” They are facts, so they are not about ships, and they should be respected; this is who the boys really are. And others should have full freedom to speak of it and appreciate it which ever way they choose.

If you have your eyes shut and want to keep them shut, it is your choice, but don’t go around telling others that they are wrong for opening them and seeing.

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Prove that pjm was hidden in jjk room

Pjm when he get surprise he say : oh you scared me Jjk when he get surprise he say : ah I got scared

Note: use your 🎧

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“Let’s go, baby”😶 ( ft. ways jikook calls each other 💕)

“Jimin to me is my stimulant.” “Jimin is my limited edition toy !” - Jungkook

“Jungkook’s existence is precious to the extent that couldn’t be expressed well in words.” - Jimin

HAPPY JIKOOK WEEK ! 🐥💙🐰

©To their rightful owners

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Just marry already ;.;

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How my man grows Cre twitter kookie_for_jk

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Wow what is that mark on his neck?

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Jk’s rolex watch is fascinating to jimin or he just checking the time..?!?

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YR is not available in my country, even streaming on youtube or downloading on google, lol I dont know what I should do anymore. Imagining this time next week while everyone is enjoying Im here crying a river. Anyway Armys we are too blessed. Where in the world can we have chances to watch such a fairly raw documentary about our idols? Every success comes with failure, every smile comes with tear. How to see a person more clearly? Observing them when they face hardships. Theres nothing able to expose true sides of a person more than that. Appreciate the boys for their willing to show us who they really are, which is also their main aim since the beginning.

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They are too obvious, notice it the 1st time watching this 1yr ago and kinda curious. The look on JMs face, the worries in his eyes remind me of my best friend when she is worried about her boyfriend. I was like Damn why so similar. But its funny that these idiots never notice the heart eyes, the expressions the other gives them at times, since they are always silent looks, silent worries. I hope they see all of this and know how they are meant to be.