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@roguefandoms

In a modern AU where JFM and YZY got a divorce and JFM got his kids away and after years of therapy, YZY can get this mug and no contact from JC

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This fandom needs to get over that MDZS is not excessively praising filial piety at all, and the people that do show this in excess in book, are either manipulating the outward appearances of what good filial piety looks like,(Jin Guangyao) or, only bring up their family in way of how this has burdened them with supposed responsibilities to lash out at others because they actually hate taking initiative to act on supposed familial loyalty (Jiang Cheng).

Performative Filial Piety is shameful and nothing to defend, yet that's exactly what this fandom does with the two characters that do make an actual mockery of filial piety up to one bringing up his own issues into an ancestral hall meant for respect to ancestors, while the other erases his mother's life into something he finds more comfortable and praiseworthy to worship.

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i've never actually played heaven will be mine LMAO this one quote is the extent of my knowledge and i thought it could fit wei wuxian pretty well

it could also fit jin guangyao or mo xuanyu tbh but i didn't want to run myself into the ground drawing :P

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The Case of Jiang Cheng's Canon Selective Amnesia

Jiang Cheng at MDZS chapter 59:

"Lan WangJi and Jin ZiXuan and those people can just die! Just let them die! What's their deaths got to do with us?! To do with our sect?! Why did this have to happen?! Why?!

"Go die, go die, go die! Everyone!!!"

And yet Jiang Cheng at MDZS chapter 87:

Jiang Cheng mocked, "Look how forgetful you are. What does unwelcome people mean? Then let me remind you. It was because you played the hero and saved Second Young Master Lan, who's standing beside you right now, that the entire Lotus Pier and my parents went down with you---, "

From blaming Jin Zixuan and Lan Wangji, into blaming Lan Wangji alone🙃🙃

Why?

Duh of course because Jin Zixuan has married his sister🥱

The so called sin of causing a sect to be exterminated can be erased as long as you marry the sister~

Oh. I Forgot to add the REAL thought of Jiang Cheng at MDZS chapter 59:

In his heart, Jiang Cheng knew clearly that back in the cave of the Xuanwu of Slaughter at Muxi Mountain, even if Wei WuXian hadn't saved Lan WangJi, the Wen Sect would have found some reason to come over sooner or later.

Dude knew perfectly why the massacre happened at all. Yet refuse to face reality. C'mon, call some psychologist here, a delusional patient who refuse to see reality may have been spotted.

In addition, the REAL people whom Wen Chao wanted to kill and thus were saved by Wei Wuxian in Xuanwu Cave were (MDZS ch 52):

Wen Chao was enraged, shouting, "How dare you! Kill them!"

A few of the Wen Sect's disciples unsheathed their swords, rushing toward Lan WangJi and Jin ZiXuan.

Yes. It is Lan Wangji and Jin Zixuan.

Not only Lan Wangji but also JIN FUCKINN ZIXUAN!

Alright, next:

Wen Chao looked as if his mood was much better. He spat, "Talking back to me, what did you think you are? People like you really do deserve to be killed."

Who talked back to Wen Chao?

Oh, let's look back a while ago:

Jin ZiXuan lifted his brows, "Is that enough? It wasn't enough for people to be flesh shields for you, and now you want live humans to bleed for you to use as bait?!"

Wei WuXian found this somewhat surprising, So Jin ZiXuan really does have some nerve.

Wen Chao pointed at them, "Are you rebelling against me? Let me warn you, I've been tolerating you for a very long time. Right now, hang the brat up with your own hands! Or else none of the people from your sects can expect to return!"

Jin ZiXuan sneered and refused to budge. Lan WangJi also looked as though he had heard nothing, so motionless that he seemed to be meditating.

Oh MY GOD! The one who angered Wen Chao first and talked back to him, it turned out it was Jin Zixuan all along!

That mighty Heir of the venerated LanlingJin, Jin Zixuan!

My my my...

To think that Jiang Cheng acted as if it was Lan Wangji solely who offended Wen Chao and needed to be saved... But the reality were...🧐🧐

The young and mighty Sandu Sengshou must have problem with hearing and seeing for him to think that the one Wei Wuxian saved is only Lan Wangji, right?

Or maybe Selective amnesia?

Oh!

It is because Jin Zixuan has married the Sister so the "so called sin" Got defaulted🙃

(All Excerpts are from ExRebel FanTrans)

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JC (toxic ones) Stan: Listen to our babyCheng, Lan Wangji is the reason YunmengJiang got destroyed!

JC throughout the MDZS: It's me~! Hi~! I'm the problem, it's me~! (The one who has problem with hearing, seeing, delusional tendency, plus selective amnesia)

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..."Why did you save Lan Wangji?!"...

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reminder that wei wuxian was never adopted to the jiang family, he was never a part of the family and their dynamic with jiang cheng wasn't a 'sibling dynamic' but a master/servant one and even wei wuxian accepts that he was a servant of the household.

1. Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian in the book never address each other in intimate ways ‘A-Cheng’ or ‘A-Xian’ ; they never call each other brothers too. On the contrary Jiang Cheng accepts that Wei Wuxian is a servant and they are his master.

2. Madam Yu sees Wei Wuxian as a servant and makes it very clear. She even berates Jiang Yanli for peeling lotus seeds for Wei Wuxian despite being her master.

“Servants should be what servants ought to be.”

3. Wei Wuxian too knows his position in the Jiang household. In the novel we first learn that servants of the Jiang Clan serve a little different than the normal servants:

Later in the extras Wei Wuxian recognizes this. Mind it, he doesn’t refuse being called ‘a servant’ but he corrects what kind of a servant he was. He says the same thing YinZhu (servant of Madam Yu) said above: “Lotus Pier is not the usual household, after all.” He doesn’t refuse that he’s implied to be a servant to the Jiangs. He also accepts Lan Wangji’s comfort afterwards.

4. There is a whole chapter explaining Wei Wuxian’s dynamic with the Jiang family through a much smaller story. This story is meant to be a parallel.

This paragraph resembles Wei Wuxian’s own position a lot. He is taken into Jiangs as a servant: same age around Jiang Cheng. The grandmother is Jiang Fengmian. Later Jiang Fengmian even sends Wei Wuxian to Cloud Recesses lectures where only young master from sects/heirs go:

The text specifically points out that Wei Wuxian was able to make friends because youths weren’t concerned with status and ancestry as elders. So despite his status Wei Wuxian was taken to the lectures full of young masters of the sects. When the youths are not youths anymore and status and ancestry gain importance once more out of the school years Wei Wuxian is scorned and called arrogant for daring to being more powerful than anyone despite being ‘a servant’s son’. Also “In fact the sect leader regarded him as his own child” is a wrong statement as we readers learn later in the novel where Jiang Fengmian sends Wei Wuxian to the indoctrination despite he doesn’t have to; or when for his last words he tells Wei Wuxian to protect Jiang Cheng and nothing more:

Jiang Fengmian doesn’t refuse the word servant either:

(and also sends Wei Wuxian to the indoctrination despite the dangers. Which father send their child to a life threatening environment if they don’t have to?”)

At the end, I’m really tired of seeing Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng treated as sibling-brothers. Because they were not. Even their most intimate scene is about Wei Wuxian promising to be Jiang Cheng’s subordinate.

Does this misconception come from the live drama? The english subtitles in the CQL (idk if the drama itself does it too) make them call each other ‘brothers’. But that isn’t correct at all according to the novel and a huge mischaracterisation on Jiang Cheng and Wei Wuxian’s part. Also CQL sometimes treat them as equals as kneeling in the ancestral hall together for punishment which is also very mischaracterising because it’s a huge mischaracterisation on Madam Yu’s part.

Bonus: Jiang Cheng saying nothing to refute in a room with more than one people trying to scorn Wei Wuxian for being a servant:

“Taking this opportunity, Jin GuangShan spoke, “Sect Leader Jiang, this was supposed to be a matter of your sect. It wouldn’t have been appropriate for me to barge in. But now that things are like this, I’ll have to caution you on the topic of Wei Ying.”

Jiang Cheng, “Sect Leader Jin, go ahead.”

Jin GuangShan, “Sect Leader Jiang, Wei Ying is your right-hand man. You value him a lot. All of us know this. However, on the other hand, it’s hard to tell whether or not he actually respects you. In any case, I’ve been a sect leader for so many years and I’ve never seen the servant of any sect dare be so arrogant, so proud.”

“One of the sect leaders added, “To be honest, I’ve wanted to say this since a long time ago. Although Wei WuXian did a few things during the Sunshot Campaign, there are many guest cultivators who did more than him. I’ve never seen anyone as full of themselves as him. Excuse my bluntness, but he’s the son of a servant. How could the son of a servant be so arrogant?”

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Sometimes I feel crazy coming in here. Do people not get that Jiang Cheng was literally unwilling to live with the consequences of protecting Wei Wuxian? Like... that's the whole point of his golden core loss. Wei Wuxian is willing to live with the consequences (and thus hands his over, in part because he felt indebted to Jiang Cheng's parents), but they were never supposed to be his to bear.

Anyway, Wen Qing is an absolute delight. Not only was she willing to share Wei Wuxian's burdens before she sacrificed her life to keep him safe, my girl was also very supportive of Wei Wuxian's homoerotic encounter with the love of his life--clocking the entire thing in literally 30 seconds flat. Why?

Because she cared for who Wei Wuxian was and *wanted to be*.

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I so wanna go on a rant. Because no, I don't believe JC and WWX would be the 'yunmeng bros' if everything didn't go down the way it did.

If someone believes they will be chummy bros if Wens aren't nasty, cool, you do you. Just don't read a properly tagged fic then.

There are quotes from the novel sitting in my drafts proving it won't happen. But I have shit confidence about writing metas as a newcomer here.

So I'll leave that to more experienced people.

My point is - The ideological differences between JC and WWX are just too vast. You can almost say you're pitting a conservative against a progressive here.

What I think would happen?

JC would turn out to be a leader WWX absolutely cannot, in good conscience, follow. They'll clash ideologically on many factors, things that will be more serious and impact others. Like not sending help if there are no expectations of money or glory. Or giving political support to something even if it harmed someone, just because the proposal came from allies. Or not supporting someone from less noble backgrounds. (All of these things JC has done in canon)

WWX will eventually realize the ideological differences run just too deep and he will leave.

JC and WWX are almost as much a poor match as JFM and YZY. But WWX isn't someone who can be worn down with constant bitchiness. He also isn't someone who is stuck in a marriage.

I don't believe that twin prides thing would ever happen, even in my worth of a good man au.

(no trying to screech in my Ao3 comments. I won't give idiots airtime and will rant about their idiosy here)

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I'm still funny for this

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Honest question, what's really fucking happening in canon jc tag? When I try to see new content I can only see 2 posts max, usually someone posting random "facts" or fragments of the novel and nothing else. I can read the popular posts though. I don't know if it's because I have blocked so many stans and they have all the tag taken, so I can't see anything else.

A jc stan has decided to “reclaim” the tag by making a new spam blog a day that just recycles the same exact post as the other 20 spam blogs they were already running, but because they are all spam blogs, I guess tumblr now thinks that the whole tag is spam. That’s all I got for you 🤷🏽‍♀️

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Hi, I'm new to this fandom and saw about your stand against Jiang Cheng and I'm genuinely curious, could I ask you why do you hate the character so much? I'm genuinely curious.

Hello! Welcome to the MDZS fandom! It’s a really interesting place to be.

I do think you are perhaps misunderstanding my fight, and it’s understandable, there’s a lot of history behind it. But I don’t actually hate Jiang Cheng the book character at all.

He’s a fantastic antagonist, one who has enough happen to him that he’s understandable without justifying his actions. His anger and bitterness make him incredibly active, which can help move the plot along well, and the fact that he is also Wei Wuxian’s personal antagonist makes him very fun and relevant as you need the antagonists that can make a character hurt personally for stories of this type.

As his general character archetype, I think he’s done really well. I quite enjoy him in the context he is supposed to be seen as, the younger person who grew up with the hero who instead of attempting to better himself, tore down those around him in an attempt to put everyone on the same level.

My problem (and my fight) is that the character of Jiang Cheng in Modaozushi is not the Jiang Cheng that is in the fanfics and the art and the meta and discussions.

The Jiang Cheng that you see in fanfics and metas that isn’t under the Not JC Friendly on Ao3 or #canon jiang cheng tag on tumblr is one that is no longer an antagonist or in character, but someone else entirely. Someone who no longer slots into the world of MDZS as if he were actually the person they posit him to be, the events that he is responsible for would have never happened. Quite simply they take the character I enjoy, erase all of his actual traits and then show up to scream at me for writing him wrong, or lying about the book, or not knowing how to read.

Or they are gleefully celebrating classism and homophobia with him. I can’t tell you how many posts I’ve seen that are basically “he’s right to be homophobic because Wangxian are annoying and he should hate them for that”. In a danmei fandom. About the lead couple. I already have dealt with more than enough homophobia in my daily life, why do I have to deal with it in a fandom for a novel in which the leads are a happily married queer couple?

I have been in this fandom for a year and a half. I tag my posts appropriately. When I was requested to not put character hate in the main tag (and novel quotes qualified as character hate), I did as they asked and invented my own tag. Sure it’s a little snarky, but it’s also an easy one to block and allows others like myself who enjoy the character as he is in the book to find my stuff. On ao3, I’ve written a few fics that use him in it as he is in the book and tagged it not for JC fans as they requested.

Do you know what I got?

I have anon hate for using my tag, the very tag I created in response to their request. On my fics that use him, I have people showing up to cry that he’s out of character and I can’t write. When I did all that I could do to try and enjoy a character as he is in canon and as they continually say is what they want. “You don’t have to like him, just tag your stuff so we don’t have to see it.”

I do stand against his stans. I have blocked many of them and gotten in arguments with many others. You are new to this fandom so you wouldn’t have seen this, but a year ago one of them wrote a fanfic about Lan Wangji murdering Wei Wuxian because they were mad about the very existence of the not for jc fans tag, and tagged it with romance and fluff tags so that fans of wangxian would click on it and read a horrible, deliberately hurtful fic and gleefully celebrated it on Twitter.

Why should I not stand against them? They have bullied so many people out of this fandom for not writing Jiang Cheng in the way they want. That is not okay. This is a massive fandom in places where it is very easy to filter and tag, and they try to bully and chase us out of the whole fandom because we don’t like their made up version of a character, or the fact that they are homophobic and shitty to the leads and to me and my friends and my followers.

Welcome to Modaozushi fandom, new reader. It’s a very volatile place with a long history. This is my section of it. And that is why I tag with canon jiang cheng and do not take any shit from people who have umbrage with that.

Thanks for the ask, I hope you have a really great day and at least consider my words even if you don’t agree with them. I suspect if you do, we will never have a problem with each other.

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Anyway fuck rabid JC stans for invading my tag and fucking up the algorithm so much on it I can't actually see anything. But yes I am such the mean one for not letting them have a place to talk about the lactating best bro jiujiu that's milked by his disciples...

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I do think a lot of heartache and frustration would go away if people made more of a distinction that liking a character personally doesn't mean a work failed them or their point thematically especially as very overt antagonists that very much had a choice of continued cruelty and apathy

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Wen Ning @ Jiang Cheng because little bitch boy wanted to be big and bad attacking someone with their back turned:

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I just saw someone say jc had "internalized classism", y'all... He's gentry, he literally has the highest social position in their society (gentry born sect heir and then sect leader), he doesn't have "internalized" anything, he's just classist.

He's not pointing his classism towards himself, only towards those of "inferior status", you know what the word for that is? Classism, plain and simple. Internalized classism would be if he was of a "lower" social status and he thought himself inherently inferior to those of the gentry. But he can't, because he's gentry himself.

Please learn the meaning of words before using them 🙏

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it’s kinda wild how deep jiang chengs debts to wen ning and wei wuxian go. even without the knowledge of the golden core transfer. wen ning saved jiang cheng, retrieved zidian and his parents bodies. he brought them to safety and wen qing gave them medicine to recover. then wei wuxian gave up his only chance for a favor from an immortal, given to him from his mother whom jiang chengs family has spent their entire lives disrespecting, for jiang cheng to get revenge and continue cultivating. as the world turned against wei wuxian, do u ever think jiang cheng thought about this sacrifice wei wuxian made for him? that maybe if wei wuxian hadnt given up his chance for jiang cheng, he could have went to baoshan sanren for help. did he ever go to the ancestral hall where his parents were able to receive their full rights of burial only because of wen ning and think of the fact that his parents bodies probably would have been thrown into the burial mounds or burnt if wen ning hadn’t saved them.

i wonder if he ever thought about that when he yelled at wwx about unpaid debts, betrayal and disrespect.

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the sheer amount of pop-up accounts that are in the canon jiang cheng tag is disappointing.

god forbid people discuss a character as if he is not a shining paragon of virtue. god forbid people use the tag as it was intended.