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wiege maintains its lighthearted tone whether sua and mizi are trying on each other's clothes for fun, or if it's a decision for the stage (kind of in the same way till spraypainting his shirt is both an intimate snapshot of his creative process and the fit he shows up barefoot in during utte; it's a small reclamation of power through self-expression, an act ultimately done in service of his stage performance). i do really like the reading of mizi being unable to fit into sua's signature costume as unwillingness to be a sacrifice, and i always wondered what their exchange was.
my fragile god begins with mizi noting her and sua's similarities in a way that highlights that they're on relatively level ground as human beings. equal body heat, equal breaths. sua's not a segyein, she's incapable of "crushing" mizi in the way mizi's been crushed before. sua's limp beneath her, and in one panel mizi's moving the fabric of her sleeve up slightly. she's equipped to undress sua if she wants and relegate her to the role of sacrifice, which she looks horribly regretful of doing.
i think that ultimately the swapping, whether for the stage or for their intimate moments, carries similar narrative significance: mizi is assigned the role of sacrifice by virtue of being human (which can be represented through the white dress), refuses it in favor of assigning it to sua (which accommodates a reading that my fragile god's mizi experiments with sua in her own black outfit and realizes she's not "desperate enough" to allow her to live), oscillates because of guilt, then decides to enact her og plan
you mentioned a while ago that mizisua were going to swap costumes. I'm pretty sure that that's a misconception, and they were just trying each other's costumes on. idk I can't make sense of why they would. in the second mizi comic they show that mizi's costume doesn't fit sua anyway
that's true! in my fragile god, sua is disheveled and the top of her outfit doesn't fit quite right (though you could also attribute her disarray to other things as well). style-wise, i agree; i struggle to reconcile sua's iconic image with what it's theorized to be, had her original outfit really been mizi's. she has an association with snow and the color white anyway, so i'm pretty willing to concede it as a popular misconception
swapping outfits remains significant though—if not for the stage, then for their private moments, and for the narrative mizisua build for themselves (with notable examples being that bit in wiege and my fragile god).
sua and ivan's white costumes mark them for death, in the same way that till and mizi's black outfits characterize them as grief-stricken and left-behind. i do think there's something interesting about mizi "marking sua for death" on a narrative level by changing outfits with her, which would speak strongly to her survivor's guilt.
ok i'm crossed and i just hit my vape so i can't do a full analysis on what swapping outfits (in the changing rooms and in private, rather than for the stage) suggests about their relationship but ask me again in like five hours. all i'll say right now is that dressing sua up in her outfit is clearly about sua's objectification and how her experiences inform her compulsion to perform even in her rship with mizi. and also about mizi guilt but #weknowdat
#mizi mentions that her parents were going to make her dress and while shine is white and flowy#i do think the blue jewel in her outfit lends more to an oceanic influence#but also idon'tknowmonkey.png
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ok now i'm sober and i'm going to say this: on a story level i don't understand why the animators would show them trying on each other's outfits just for the hell of it. you could argue they were showcasing mizisua intimacy, but that would've been redundant imo; it's not something they need to prove, they've been intimate since my clematis. also their interactions in wiege suggest that mizi is re-assigning the dress from herself to sua becauses it suits her better. mizi looks down and says something about the dress, sua makes a comment, blushes, and mizi immediately goes to place the dress against her chest instead (maybe to imagine how it'd fit with new measurements). i just don't think mizi would look so contemplative if the dress was for sua to begin with, you know?
you mentioned a while ago that mizisua were going to swap costumes. I'm pretty sure that that's a misconception, and they were just trying each other's costumes on. idk I can't make sense of why they would. in the second mizi comic they show that mizi's costume doesn't fit sua anyway
that's true! in my fragile god, sua is disheveled and the top of her outfit doesn't fit quite right (though you could also attribute her disarray to other things as well). style-wise, i agree; i struggle to reconcile sua's iconic image with what it's theorized to be, had her original outfit really been mizi's. she has an association with snow and the color white anyway, so i'm pretty willing to concede it as a popular misconception
swapping outfits remains significant though—if not for the stage, then for their private moments, and for the narrative mizisua build for themselves (with notable examples being that bit in wiege and my fragile god).
sua and ivan's white costumes mark them for death, in the same way that till and mizi's black outfits characterize them as grief-stricken and left-behind. i do think there's something interesting about mizi "marking sua for death" on a narrative level by changing outfits with her, which would speak strongly to her survivor's guilt.
ok i'm crossed and i just hit my vape so i can't do a full analysis on what swapping outfits (in the changing rooms and in private, rather than for the stage) suggests about their relationship but ask me again in like five hours. all i'll say right now is that dressing sua up in her outfit is clearly about sua's objectification and how her experiences inform her compulsion to perform even in her rship with mizi. and also about mizi guilt but #weknowdat
#mizi thinking the dress suits sua better is enough reason for me for her to suggest a swap#esp in what looks like the changing room... maybe they're planning their outfits and it's not like a craaazyyy thing for them#to experiement or change their minds before locking in#also if white marks sua for death there's the added layer of mizi being “responsible” for symbolically escaping death#by assigning it to sua instead#which we see in the juxtaposition of fragile god/karma graphics
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i imagine unsha allows ivan quite a lot of privileges for being a lucrative investment, including refining his language skills and learning various segyein dialects... knowing how to communicate with aliens is probably a privilege and a mark of status. i imagine that till's literacy is less robust though, and he's not afforded much translation technology?
#alnst ivan#alnst till#alnst unsha#i also imagine their teachers instruct them in segyein#and i always kind of hc'd that till does so poorly in his generals bc urak does nothing to supplement language acquisiton outside anakt#till's also just in a constant state of anger and discombobulation which works to urak's advantage#allowing him to comprehend segyein and articulate himself might shift the popular view of him from#mad genius badboy who shouts inflammatory shit#to something else. idk.
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you mentioned a while ago that mizisua were going to swap costumes. I'm pretty sure that that's a misconception, and they were just trying each other's costumes on. idk I can't make sense of why they would. in the second mizi comic they show that mizi's costume doesn't fit sua anyway
that's true! in my fragile god, sua is disheveled and the top of her outfit doesn't fit quite right (though you could also attribute her disarray to other things as well). style-wise, i agree; i struggle to reconcile sua's iconic image with what it's theorized to be, had her original outfit really been mizi's. she has an association with snow and the color white anyway, so i'm pretty willing to concede it as a popular misconception
swapping outfits remains significant though—if not for the stage, then for their private moments, and for the narrative mizisua build for themselves (with notable examples being that bit in wiege and my fragile god).
sua and ivan's white costumes mark them for death, in the same way that till and mizi's black outfits characterize them as grief-stricken and left-behind. i do think there's something interesting about mizi "marking sua for death" on a narrative level by changing outfits with her, which would speak strongly to her survivor's guilt.
ok i'm crossed and i just hit my vape so i can't do a full analysis on what swapping outfits (in the changing rooms and in private, rather than for the stage) suggests about their relationship but ask me again in like five hours. all i'll say right now is that dressing sua up in her outfit is clearly about sua's objectification and how her experiences inform her compulsion to perform even in her rship with mizi. and also about mizi guilt but #weknowdat
#that's a great... not QUESTION per se but observation#i do SERIOUSLY agree that the dresses' styles don't suggest that they were intended for the other. that was always difficult to reconcile#they feel very Designed For Them. especially sua's.#mizisua
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(It's not letting me link the image's source for whatever reason but it's from the Alien Stage Creatorlink website)
This could be incorrect, but I believe that the first Greek mythology reference in Alien Stage was with Hyuna and her being called 'Unit Zeus" (other references being Io, the Cerberus Wagyein, as well as there being a place called "the underworld").
I'm not sure if they ever referred to her as this title again, though. They might have dropped whatever idea they had with this, but this feels like it's probably tied to her incredibly high stats and her guardian Phan being a scientist.
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i like to think that he's eating rosin here
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Joy and Happiness
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hello alien stage fan. before you stands ivansua, and directly above you hangs an anvil. your test is to describe their dynamic without the words "doomed siblingship", "mlm wlw hostility", or a situation where sua is excessively mean at any point or the anvil will drop. good luck.
#thank you tumblr user murder-kill for seeing the vision#i can always trust you for ivansua#characterizing sua as excessively mean makes ivan out to be like. undeserving of her contempt and distrust#as though sua is irrational for acting defensive like ivan isn't needling the fuck out of her DAILY#like i think we're being a bit too ivanpilled here#it's a tragedy they cannot connect#BUT HE'S ANNOYING.
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honestly whatever ivansua got going on is much more complicated than being siblings.
#it's funny as fuck ivan would say that#“is this what it's like to have a sister” *sua voice* absoluteley not. having a sister is worse and you're lucky.#i might agree with ivansua siblingism more readily if “being siblings” wasn't fandom shorthand for like#a very specific kind of relationship#“being siblings” encompasses a diversity of experiences
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sua, sisterhood, and ivansua
in heavenly garden, we meet sua's (nameless) older sister. sua expresses that she was "all [sua] had," and that this pathetic dependence frightened her, as separation from her sister put sua at risk of death and the unknown. as cruel as sua's older sister is in her feature comic, their other sisters are presumably worse; they bully her verbally and physically, and are constantly competing for attention from nigeh (to win resources, luxurious treatment, some form of love/care that is utterly inaccessible to them).
sua's ideas about siblinghood are linked to cutthroat competition, bullying, and unique forms of dehumanization that involve observing and being observed. as an object. as an enemy. her sisters are raised to be obsessed with image, like their "mother." these idealized images hide pain, weakness, and dysfunction. they evaluate themselves for such weakness, and each other. they exploit it, as sua's sister exploits sua's in heavenly garden in order to make her feel badly about herself and to remind her of death. this is sua's understanding of family.
sua is the most closed-off of the anakt four because of her tender heart. she keeps others at a distance because of how deeply she's been hurt, and her sensitivity is one of her most notable traits. this sensitivity developed in response to nigeh and her sisters' maltreatment, and it is one of the reasons ivan fails to connect with her: she simply can't let him closer because of his capacity to hurt her heart.
which ivan does anyway. repeatedly.
one of ivan's most famous interactions with sua is criticizing her plan to sacrifice herself as selfish. he intrudes upon her most intimate relationship with condescending commentary, completely unprompted, and makes her cry. he says cruel things where he's projecting his own feelings toward himself onto sua. he wants to have these feelings recognized and validated through a deep relationship with her. he desperately wants to connect. (he is scarred by her rejection of him [when he realizes mizi reciprocates her feelings, and that they are fundamentally unalike], and recalls her in his last moments.) he is irredeemably awful, but he wants to be awful with her.
she refuses him. he hurts her too much.
this hurt is both deliberate and accidental. he criticizes her out of hatred for himself, but his disenchantment with the world, with the systems that rule them, with the charade of conformity that empties them of meaningful thought and feeling, these are all things sua understands, too. she does not want to confront them. she only wants to lose herself in mizi. she doesn't need to depend on her terrifying family anymore, because she has mizi.
her fear of ivan is indication to me that she saw the real potential she had to love him (and be loved by him) as dangerous. family puts you at risk. love puts you at risk. you become vulnerable and small and dependent. you compete for finite love and attention. mizi thinks of ivan and till as family, but sua cannot. her idea of family is too dangerous to consciously apply to her friends, especially when those friends are as fucked up to her as ivan is.
i don't necessarily believe in ivansua siblingism in the way others might, but i believe sua loved the 4nakt deeply, including ivan. she didn't want to. she was afraid to. but she did.
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"ivansua siblings" this "sua has eldest sister energy" that. well i present to you: sua's canonical dozen or more sisters
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