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I wish Veronica would've talk to "Cheryl" when Abigail had taken over her body. Toni wouldn't be the only one to feel like something's wrong. oh and about that it feels a bit obvious knowing how their conversation went. what do you mean Cheryl didn't remember of the baby she helped toni giving birth to? Like it was obvious knowing the circumstances.

Im certain that if Veronica hanged out with her she would've be able to find out too. I dream of this. Veronca acting flirty as always with "Cheryl" but Abigail doesn't have a clue of who she is (since her ancestors were not part of her killers) or what her and cheryl had (she just knows about toni yk).

How cool that would've been. Abigail questionning herself about the kind of bond Cheryl and Veronica shared just with one conversation. (veronica would be suspicious so quickly, if cheryl doesn't match her vibe. either she's pissed at her (and even when she is she can't help herself...) or.. it's not just cheryl :DD

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We could've have so much more cheronica scenes in season 6.

Veronica and Cheryl both thought the explosion was their fault. And either of them could've talk about their theories with the injured one of course. But nor Cheryl nor Veronica were touched by the explosion/the curse.

The fact that THE THREE PERSONS Cheryl cursed were targetted, like i don't think if jughead was not injured she would've think it was her fault, but he did too. Reminder Veronica's ancestor were not involved. Cheryl would obviously not come to Jughead, Betty and Archie about it since she thought it was her fault. And i feel like she would've trust Veronica enough to tell her about her theorie and her "powers", it would've been so good ahh

And Veronica obviously because of her father (and it happened to be the truth) and i think she should've feel really awkward to talk about it with them, that leads to Cheryl... (or what happenned, Reggie, but Cheryl was alone trying to reverse the curse, she deserved Veronica at her side idc)

Also the fact that Betty and Archie were kinda outed about their relationship because of that.. Veronica would've feel a bit sad to realize that Archie already moved on from her.. but imagine Cheryl? 4 episodes ago was taking care of her injured hand and told Veronica to "go home, so she can be her gorgeous self" when Archie will came out of the mine, she was actively aware of their relationship... and now Betty was at Archie's house, in the middle of the night ? Maybe she would've text Veronica or something, just to check in!

I love it so much it's so interesting!! (it reminds me of season 5, post time skip when everyone was gathering at the town hall meeting when Toni said the school was going to stay open) (she announced Veronica, as Veronica "Gekko", Cheryl knew she warried like that) (I love to understand how the other characters learns information that we already know)

it would've make so much sense that they're find their way back to each other.

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Throwback to season 3 real quick. I want to touch on about the whole "toni and cheryl are exiled from the serpents" situation.

First of all, the situation was so difficult for Jughead, i don't think he was being a bad leader there. If he just forgave both choni and fangs then why would he not do it again for other members yk? His leadership was in danger related to his authority and order, so i get it. Knowing that Fangs was dealing because he couldn't afford his mom's treatment without it + Jughead didn't told them the rule about not doing crimes, Fangs situation was his trigger to do that. Cheryl and Toni were robbing people's house for their own pleasure, for the thrills of it, and Cheryl didn't have any loyalty towards the serpents whatsoever, it was not a good idea to keep her in the gang yk (not hating cheryl's my favorite character, but i cannot defend her here) BUT I CAN EXPLAIN WHY.

Of course if i'm talking about this it's because it's going to be related to Cheronica. Like wdym she stole from Hiram, so, Veronica's dad AND left a trace behind her?? what for ??

My take is that they were some kind of beef towards them or something, since 5 weeks have passed, anything could've happen without us knowing. Also it would've been so much fun if the robbing scene happened BEFORE choni going at La Bonne Nuit. (thr flirting. the looks guys. Veronica was not looking at Toni ONCE) (sorry) (no actually i'm not, one of my favorite cheronica scene. using of french words. the way Veronica is looking at her and keep doing in when she's leaving them. hyperventilating rn.)

Or maybe, Cheryl was trying to prove a point to Toni, like reassure her or something. I'm SO CERTAIN that during 3x8 Toni made some comment about Veronica (wdym toni was on rest duties at cheryl's and her girlfriend spent the entire day with Veronica? At some point Cheryl was back at home when Veronica texted her after she called Betty, Toni must've said something like "ugh.. Veronica again?" Maybe Cheryl and Toni had a little argument about it, and now Cheryl, by stealing Hiram (and by definition Veronica) is proving that she "doesn't care" about Veronica ash she activelly putting her in trouble

(she was doddging her calls guys) (ofc she is) (cracking me up)

Maybe Cheryl kissed the portrait because she was feeling even more rebellious after Jughead's speech but.... one thing that doesn't make sense with all of that. Later on the episode, Betty is asking some adults of riverdale (and cheryl?) if they would agree to take in a few girls that escaped the Sisters. And Cheryl agrees.. how nice of her right ? Why would she be okay to help people she didn't even know, but she was willing to put the serpents (those who welcomed her) AND HER OWN GIRLFRIEND in danger because of one stupid egg??

No she had reasons to do that, it's so sus. also not hiram being like "you need to find me that egg" "and why is it my responsability??" (i would love him to say "bc that's your girlfriend mija") but no he just blackmailing her :((( (dad of the year yay

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missing jabitha hours.

the fact that tabitha, as a time traveling guardian angel, is outside the narrative and jughead is the narrative (writing it), she's sewing the narrative and trying to make it hurt less but you're somehow fated to die, no matter how hard she tried. no matter how many realitiies she explores. you always end up dead... but wait, you're not actually dead? you'll be able to live after all, and live a perfect full lifetime in relationship and raising a familly together.. except wait no, it was not real! not in the same way! it's just a perfect bubble that got INAHILATED because of THE F-ING comet that is going to ravage the plan of the earth... wait, you have a second chance in the 50's! except your girlfriend/soulmate exists too... but two versions of her.... and you're the only one who remembers... but she erase your memory.. you're starting a brand new relationship with another version of your girlfriend that you don't remember was your girlfriend. it's so great that even the wife of your deceassed hero/mentor/father's figure see what she had with the say dead man. and then you remember that you were suppose to be dead, and maybe that would've been A WAY BETTER END THAT WHAT WE ACTUALLY GOT. Angel tabitha will cease to exist (or exist alone... forever alone...) and 50's tabitha will just... end her life in chicago, with someone that is not you, and you're never going to see each other again. she would not even in the super pop's afterlife because... she wasn't the one who remembered what you had.... but angel tabitha.... who's fated to be alone forever.... and jughead became kind of an angel.. that's why you sometimes regrets not to be married...

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well i might have to update a little bit on the last part of this post..

All the magical events that took place in RiverVale did not happen in RiverDale, so yes Abigail was indeed burned alive at the stake, some years later Thomasina's death i suppose, like Thabigail is still canon in RiverDale too after all.

But i guess Fenn just killed Thomasina when they were getting married, he just didn't curse Abigail with immortality. (even thought Abigail still called fenn "a wizzard" when she came back from the bar where she saw toni and fangs)

But that would mean that if Poppy and Cheryl were Abigail all these years, and she just created them to hide her immortality, did Poppy existed in Riverdale?

And that still doesn't explain the whole "Nana's soul was put in Cheryl's body, and all of nana's illness took over her young body" but when they took down percival "Cheryl" wasn't in a wheelchair anymore (so that is the true plothole left)

Listen, i love Rivervale. I think it's so interesting witnessing all of this madness and seeing the show finally embracing magic, it's so refreshing and it works so well (for me)

But there's so many thing that doesn't make sense to me?? in the beginning of episode 5, they all woke up and had nightmares about the events that took place in the first four episodes (veggie with the devil, barchie with the maple festival, cheryl and her ancestor's story + body swap with her and Nana, and Tangs about La Llorona) except when Tabitha and Jughead comes visit Rivervale in episode 20 Cheryl is confirmed by Britta to be Nana, in Abigail's body and the confirmation that Cheryl never existed BUT THEN during the final battle, Jughead used the Rivervale characters to stab Percival when he was in Jughead's mind... "Cheryl" was there and was doing perfectly fine?? No dementia, no wheelchair??

Rivervale is so confusing to me because, those events (writer) Jughead was reffering to was in their dreams right? The four first Rivervale episodes ends up just being dreams the characters of Rivervale has... But why when Riverdale Jughead and Tabitha went into the Rivervale universe, Britta told them Nana's soul was in Cheryl, aka Abigail's immortal body?? And all the deja-vus the characters of Riverdale have, is only about the dreams of Rivervale, i was so confused the first time about this, and still am to this day.

Abigail, her lore is so confusing to me. All that "immortality" stuff, but a the end of season 5, when Nana told the story to Cheryl about how Abigail was killed by her friends's anccestors burning alive at the stake? Like did she really die? No because Abigail was still quite pissed at them and was calling them "her killers" but we had the confirmation that what we saw in the "dream" was true because, Abigail's backstory with Thomasina and Fenn existed, he was really a wizard.. Soo.. what about Abigail's immortality then? And if Abigail was Poppy this whole time too, i don't get why she didn't use her magic or something. I'm sorry i love 06×04 a lot, but the ending revelation just confuse me badly, i don't want Rivervale Cheryl to never exist? What about my Cheronica crambs in 06×01/j it's not the most important but still

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Made a tier list about every relationship in riverdale (og timeline, still have to do season 7's one) but omg how i love my riverdale ship's profile (i'm a bit insane)

Favorite canon relationship - Jabitha/Cheather/Clevin/Kangs

Favorite non canon relationship - Cheronica (favorite ship ever btw)/Bonna/Dretty/Babitha (literally all betty's gay awakening we love it)/Swangs/Jarchie/Beronica (i mean they're canon in season 7 but yk)

It feels so right,, maybe i'll share the full tierlist one day, but it's a messss

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137 episodes wasn’t enough riverdale had more to tell me

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RIVERDALE SERIES FINALE (spoilers)

Disclaimer - i'm not watching riverdale (or any show for that matter) trought an objective or more critical eye, i didn't have any expectations so i'm really satisfied about it no matter how it would've ended, if i say something more negative i'm not saying that's it's bad or that i would've like it more if it wasn't written that way.. I just take what it's given to me

Ohh they went for PAIN!! (was sobbing the entire episode) I really loved the way they made us going trought it, via Betty's pov who couldn't attend the last day of school, so she finally get to experience it, saying goodbyes to her friends knowing what happens to them at the end :(((my poor fangs was done so dirty, bro worked his ass of the entire time, to get a career, finally being able to marry midge and raising their baby together just to.. die 4 weeks into this tour, that killed me) (also knowing knowing "how" they all died is.. interesting, i never watched a finale who've done that, it's.. really emotional for sure. )

Episode 19 felt even more like a wrap up for the 50's characters, before angel tabitha coming back, they all were okay and got a real developpment for their plot/storylines (cheryl coming out to her vixens squad and make evelyn quit/ Archie focusing on his poetry while taking reggie's place at the farm, allowing him to go to his basketball camp/ Alice finally accepting Betty and reading her book/ last pep comic issue/ Veronica and Clay planning to adapt the comet into a movie) like everything was perfect (even frank and tom were okay)

The quad thing was siilly and really fair to what riverdale is, but i get why people were upset, it's the series finale and no one (in the core four) end up together

That said, i like to think of the show "ending" at season 6, in a sense that i seperate the two timelines and drive a line between it, it makes the pill easier to swallow for me, because even tho the character got their memories back.. they don't truly feel like the characters we got to know for 6 seasons. They know what happened sure, they remember it but to which point? Are they actually feeling the memories? I feel like even if they know they can "easely" replace" the og memories by those they have in the 50's and what they're going trought RIGHT NOW. Especially since only Betty and Jughead chose to keep the entirety of it. They are the same just without the trauma they experiment, they got a chance to live their teenagehood and.. enjoying the rest of their lives but.. those traumatized characters were the one we followed trought the series. I'm wishing them the best ever but that's why, for me and the way i experienced it, i need to draw a line between season 6 and season 7. BUT i feel like it was the perfect way to wrap up things.. now that they ended up the in the 50's, like the finale is not the problem but the entire situation and them in 50's is (does that makes sense?)

oh and i would've been okay with at least 5 episodes of just seeing the characters rewatch the "show" (the way they got their memories back) and seeing their reactions about it, mostly choni tbh and seeing them talking about what they had especially with how different and much more sane their dynamic in the 50's is now (i know they couldn't have done that, just my silly thoughts)

Overall, i really like season 7, the way the relationships were written is so silly to me, they truly said "well let's give crumbs to every non canon ship" (especially beronica and rarchie) (jarchie fans u okay?) but never officialise it, or never talk about it (i mean beronica finally kissed, but it's just bc of the quad) it was much more focused on the relationship more than the plot (which is not something we're used to considering there's almost 3 to 4 plots each season)

I think i love the og characters more than the 50's one, included cheryl. (little bit of a rant there, cause she's the one who feels the most different) (cheryl without trauma yk) I love her dearly in season 7, she grown so much (from someone she didn't even remember?) but like she's such a sweetheart, she's open, supportive, engaged, caring, selfless, and just.. a much more better person than she was in the og timeline, but.. being a bad person doesn't equal being a bad character and that cheryl means the entire world to me. She has many many wrongs but she's the person i got to know, to understand and to love, i resonnate with her on a personal level and i'm so so proud of the person she become in season 6.

Here's my ranking of the season btw - 6<4<5<3<7<1<2 (i enjoyed every one of them)

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Just finished Riverdale. Need a minute to recover. (or maybe an entire lifetime who knows?)

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i've already made a post about it but i need to talk even more about cheronica in season 7 because there's actually a lot more (not as sus as some season 1/4 or 6 but still!!)

Also i'm currently on episode 15, it's finally not a rewatch for me, im so excited to watch for the part time the rest of the show!! (but also so devastated im going to finish it...)

Get back on cheronica, it's so much more from Veronica's pov tho but i'm okay with it) (she's so sus)

When Reggie's introducing to the group, Veronica was thirsting over him like crazy, even cheryl cringed to what she was saying lmaoo “careful veronica, you might get a ticket for speeding" (she's so jealous) let's not pretend like toni's flirtation was subtile cheryl, and yet you pretty much liked it.

Veronica canonically wanted to impress her. That whole episode on the Babylonium popularity, the failed James Dean seance and the instauration of the 4D,, the way Cheryl wanted to grab that ticket ahh, i love this shot, we're not seeing them next to each other/face to each other that much so i happilly take what i can get

The back and forth in class "not that i want to see such dreeck but didn't this movie came out years ago?" "perhaps.. but it's a rerelease, in stunning 4D!" "Um.. Don't you mean 3D?" (love how she's trying to make her feel dumb) and then "No Cheryl, 3D is so 1952, it's 4D" *dilton saying that fourth dimension is actually time* THE WAY CHERYL SMILED AT VERONICAAAA she was so happy to win pls, idc if they hate each other (which they do not right now, something changed in that car, still mad it was off screnen) but yh idc if they do they take such pleasure out of it

THE FACT SHE WENT TO SEE HER "cheryl! i'm so glad you could make it !" (the thing is with this ennemy face, she can mean what she says and yet nobody's noticing) "let’s see what this 4d you’ve been ballyhooing is all about” (oh so she cares about what she says) “and believe me if it dissapoints, i will be demunding a refound, again” (oh so you want to see her after the movies, gotcha cheryl) (lveronica's face when she watch her leave, she seems a bit nervous, it felt like she she puts a little pressure on herself, she wants to impress her that's so cute

During the Halloween episode, where Veronica was the only one being dressed up (cheryl didn't say anything to her?? that's how i know they became friends lmao) she expressed her wants and why she loved halloween that much "To be a kid again even if it’s just for a night, to kiss a GIRL" *looking at cheryl* im sorry?? idk if it was "cheryl i know what you are" or "babe i want to kiss you rn" knowing that veronica confessed kissing a girl here, at riverdale high?? (because betty would know her) (also veronica saying she feels much more at home with gay people around??) and you're telling me betty is the bisexual/pan one (ofc she is) but look closer

I feel like she might've kiss more Toni than Cheryl, especially because before Choni, Cheryl was in the closet and i don't think she would've kiss a girl that wasn't toni, and wouldn't cheat on toni either (maybe the one episode when they broke up idk) but a boy can only dream ig... they're so real to me, so real to me.

(THEY HOLD EACH OTHER DURING THE SONG AHH) my babies my babiesss

In choni/fangs-midge double date after the show "if I'm ever challenged about it i will simply explained that i was possessed by the halloween spirit” (exactly how veronica explained it, so cheryl's safe thanks to veronica :DD)

In the musical (which was so good btw, bawled my eyes out for "our song" but the friday valentine, the frenemies line, this is a cheronica reference ty very much "so can't we just be friends? or at least frenemies." ahhh

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i've seen a lot of people disliking season 7 cheronica "i miss when cheryl and veronica were friends" well they're true ennemies in this timeline annnd it's fun!! and still much much shipable, im always going to find a way so ship them.

Honestly they can still happen.. (not canonically ofc i know it, i don't need thing to become canon to enjoy it.. it's almost the opposite) They still have similarities and things that linked them together, it's not "our parents are criminals" but in a "you're the new popular girl (and you're lying about it) i was here first and i hate that you're stealing my spotlight" bonus at early season 7 "you're dating the guy i have a crush on and your brother wants to date me"

It changes dynamic for sure, like they used to openely flirts and kiss each other, they literally kissed to save the world and now they're.. back to hating each other again, i get that it's different

We never actually seen a real ennemies phase between them tho, even in season 1, Cheryl was the victim of the story, the girl who was grieving her brother, Veronica was nice to her outside of their enemies's facade (season 1 cheronica is so special to me) but here they're giving REAL ENNEMIES.

It's new, it's fresh and it's funny and sus af.

Veronica's introduction in class and how tiring Cheryl already was, she hates her sm and it's delicious to see, girl couldn't help but sigh every time veronica opened her mouth, she's already so obsessed

Both Julian and Cheryl being bothered by Veronica

This one's only on episode 3 but Veronica going to the dark room because archie AND CHERYL are going.. she tricked archie with the enveloppe so she can make out with him.. furiously if i may add , it's giving "i went into the closet with archie so that cheryl wouldn't" i mean obviously canonically it's not like that.. but it's still pretty sus + not Cheryl going with a room with Archie minute after Archie had Veronica's lips all over his face...

Veronica throwing a party like Cheryl did back in the day (season 1 and season 5) c'mon, they're so many hints (and it's not bc they're not gonna be anymore) (like veronica being interested in jughead more than archie, or cheryl's gonna date toni) that im just gonna suppress that happened, it's not just gonna happen again, that's all. It's not the ending, just a change

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During their last battle against Percival, in front of Pop's, Percival neutralized them by make their powers turns against themselves right ? (btw if i may not Cheryl's counter being ice? Why did he not just burned her?? (percival is a cheronica shipper, gotcha) i have to stop, anyway.

But the characters were fine at the end when they all hugged each other. I guess his death is what unraveled the spell, but how did the town barrier stayed? Or that the comet wasn't made public? Maybe it's because he specificed that in his last spell but idk, i need real explanation.

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Tabitha's time power. Did she knew about the comet? She said that "the apocalypse she saw was the result if Percival didn't get what he wanted" (really clever to use an astroligical event that could've grant him even more power, but used it as a back up plan in the case of losing) but anyway how was Jughead suppose to die? Against Percival and the final battle? Or because of the comet? He was really gonna die if Cheryl used all of her phoenix power and unlived the dead she brought back to life soo.. Did the universe predicted that ?

I just wanted to see more of what Tabitha saw tbh

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It's interesting that in rivervale they saw twice a sign that evil was going to win (first jughead's comic books "the super teens" and the chessboard tournament Cypher vs Rafael) but Tabitha confirmed they had a lot more chance to beat him in Rivervale, and it's what they'd done!! (this plan was genius)

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Sabrina saying to Cheryl that death doesn't like to be cheated (first of all, you couldn't have said that earlier lmao) but i think she was referring to the "bonus people" Cheryl resurrected (so Jason and Polly) (btw when Alice, Frank and Tom were dead, we needed their bodies but Cheryl couldn't have Polly's body?? and Jason is just.. bones?) But even if Sabrina was talking about that, there were no backfire from the dead itself, but more because Percival casted a spell on Jason to going crazy and attacks Cheryl.

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I LOVED 06x11 but now that i think of it.. was it like, a simulation? To train her with her power? Because Percival was old enough to be alive in every time period Tabitha visited but.. he was in Rivervale ? But they made it seem pretty clear that it was the same dude the entire time. Especially at the end of each time period, always finding a way to kill her. But those events were still really real and accurate in time? Soo.. was it Percival's ancestor? Himself? Or a representation of "evil/bag guy" to make her understand the real threat and so, it is a simulation after all.

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Listen, i love Rivervale. I think it's so interesting witnessing all of this madness and seeing the show finally embracing magic, it's so refreshing and it works so well (for me)

But there's so many thing that doesn't make sense to me?? in the beginning of episode 5, they all woke up and had nightmares about the events that took place in the first four episodes (veggie with the devil, barchie with the maple festival, cheryl and her ancestor's story + body swap with her and Nana, and Tangs about La Llorona) except when Tabitha and Jughead comes visit Rivervale in episode 20 Cheryl is confirmed by Britta to be Nana, in Abigail's body and the confirmation that Cheryl never existed BUT THEN during the final battle, Jughead used the Rivervale characters to stab Percival when he was in Jughead's mind... "Cheryl" was there and was doing perfectly fine?? No dementia, no wheelchair??

Rivervale is so confusing to me because, those events (writer) Jughead was reffering to was in their dreams right? The four first Rivervale episodes ends up just being dreams the characters of Rivervale has... But why when Riverdale Jughead and Tabitha went into the Rivervale universe, Britta told them Nana's soul was in Cheryl, aka Abigail's immortal body?? And all the deja-vus the characters of Riverdale have, is only about the dreams of Rivervale, i was so confused the first time about this, and still am to this day.

Abigail, her lore is so confusing to me. All that "immortality" stuff, but a the end of season 5, when Nana told the story to Cheryl about how Abigail was killed by her friends's anccestors burning alive at the stake? Like did she really die? No because Abigail was still quite pissed at them and was calling them "her killers" but we had the confirmation that what we saw in the "dream" was true because, Abigail's backstory with Thomasina and Fenn existed, he was really a wizard.. Soo.. what about Abigail's immortality then? And if Abigail was Poppy this whole time too, i don't get why she didn't use her magic or something. I'm sorry i love 06×04 a lot, but the ending revelation just confuse me badly, i don't want Rivervale Cheryl to never exist? What about my Cheronica crambs in 06×01/j it's not the most important but still