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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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SLAY BADDIE ADNAN!!
She’s so fineeeeeee
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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guys my internship is actually fighting for its life to make sure i never touch my OC doc again 💀
the same internship i was praying every night for is now the reason my characters are collecting dust and side-eyeing me from the doc like “so… you just forgot about us??”
i swear i still love them 😭 but this internship said full-time personality takeover and i’ve been running on caffeine and deadlines since
pls be patient with me — the OC comeback will be real i promise 🤍
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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hands off gabriela
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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https://www.tumblr.com/nanseyeworld/762065457317658624/masterlist-of-adnan-al-alshehri personally I’m really excited for the ‘idols crushing on her’ one and I’m assuming it’s a lot of 4th gen idols 💕🩷
Yeah & some 3rd gen idols too
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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It's adnan, like, a boy's name 💔
Yes, traditionally it is, but for her family it means something deeper than gender. Her father gave her the name to remind her she comes from strong roots, and her mother added ‘Noura’ light to balance it. So she carries both strength and softness in her name. It’s very her 🤍✨”
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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      𐙚᭄ WEVERSE ACCOUNT   𑆪ིྀᩧ
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── Adnan’s Official Weverse
﹒୨✧ USERNAME: @adnan
﹒୨✧ BIRTHDAY: August 1, 2003
﹒୨✧ COLLECTIONS: 9
﹒୨✧ VERIFIED: ✅
﹒୨✧ GROUP: KATSEYE
️₊˚‧︵‿꒰୨ How She Uses Weverse
Adnan has always been known even before KATSEYE as a very private, naturally quiet person.
Unlike most idols, she doesn’t feel the need to post daily selfies or flood comment sections. For her, words and images are precious.
️₊˚‧︵‿꒰୨ The Fan Controversy
As her popularity exploded in the K-pop fans world, so did the topic hashtags about “Adnan’s lack of interaction” started trending on Weverse and X (Twitter). Some people demanded more transparency, asking:
“Why doesn’t she talk to us like other idols do?”
The conversation got so big that HYBE stepped in to protect Adnan’s image and clarify things once and for all. They explained she’s always been naturally reserved, not rude or distant just a person who shares herself carefully.
HYBE released an official statement:
“Adnan has always been a private individual who believes in sharing meaningfully rather than frequently. We ask for your understanding and respect for her unique way of staying connected to her fans.”
Adnan’s Personal Message:
Not long after, she wrote her own short post; “It’s true. I’ve never known how to live online. But I know you wait for me so I will try to meet you halfway, softly. Thank you for loving me, even in silence. 🤍 — Adnan”
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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( ♡ ) ... 🏹 ⁀ ADNAN’s PROFILE ࿐ !
Je-je-jealous of my mansion? Yeah, the view is fucking gnarly
𓂃  ✷ ˒  𝙸𝙽𝚃𝚁𝙾𝙳𝚄𝙲𝙸𝙽𝙶 !  𓄹╴ Adnan Noura bint Al-Alshehri
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✦ ~ GET TO KNOW HER; BASICS ~ ✦
ℐׅ ─ Name: Adnan Noura bint Al-Alshehri
ℐׅ ─ Name meaning:
• Adnan (عدنان)
In Arabic, Adnan means “settler” or “one who stays and builds”. Historically, it traces back to an ancient Arabian ancestor said to be the forefather of many Arab tribes — symbolizing deep roots, enduring presence, and continuity.
In her context, it reflects strength, legacy, and her father’s wish that she’d always be grounded, no matter how global her world became.
• Noura (نورة)
Noura is a beloved Arabic name meaning “light”. For her parents, it symbolizes hope, warmth, and the miracle she became after years of waiting. Her mother chose it to mark her as the light in their lives — the sunrise after many nights.
• bint Al-Alshehri (بنت آل الشهري)
Literally “daughter of the Al-Alshehri family” — a traditional naming style in Arab culture signifying family lineage. It shows pride in her Gulf royal roots while grounding her in her father’s legacy, which she carries in her global stage name.
ℐׅ ─ Stage Name: Adnan (أدنان)
ℐׅ ─ Born: August 1, 2003
ℐׅ ─ Zodiac Sign: Leo ♌
ℐׅ ─ Chinese Zodiac: Goat
ℐׅ ─ Birthplace: London, United Kingdom
ℐׅ ─ Nationality: British
ℐׅ ─ Ethnicity: Somali, French, Saudi Arabian, Qatari
ℐׅ ─ Height: 175 cm (5’9”)
ℐׅ ─ Blood Type: AB
Languages: English, French, Arabic, Italian, Somali, Korean (learning)
ℐׅ ─ MBTI: ENFJ
ℐׅ ─ Representative Symbol: Diamond flame 🔥 💎
✦ ~GET TO KNOW HER; CAREER INFORMATION ~ ✦
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ℐׅ ─ Stage name: Adnan (أدنان / 아드난)
ℐׅ ─ Group: KATSEYE (HYBE x Geffen)
ℐׅ ─ Debut: June 28, 2024
ℐׅ ─ Position: Vocalist, Rapper, Visual, Dancer, Model
ℐׅ ─ occupation(s): Singer, Rapper, Model, Global Ambassador, Songwriter, Dancer, actress
ℐׅ ─ Debut age: 20 (Int.) / 22 (Kor.)
ℐׅ ─ Strong suits: her fashion sense • public image • modeling • fluent interviews • stage charisma • global appeal • luxury branding • freestyle rapping • live vocals • red carpet etiquette • elegance in motion
ℐׅ ─ Individual endorsements: INDIVIDUAL ENDORSEMENT(S): Chanel, Miu Miu, Bulgari, La Prairie, Balmain, Mugler, Jacquemus, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, Maison Margiela, Valentino, Kay Jewelers, l'Oreal, Balmain, Guess Italy & Australia, Etro, Givenchy x Avani, CoverGirl U.S, Revlon, Kylie Cosmetics, Luxottica x Adnan, Loro Piana, Bikkembergs, Oriflame Cosmetics, Bulgari, Krizia, Gucci Beauty x Adnan, Armani Beauty, Fendi, Bottega Veneta, Elizabeth Arden, Adidas, Kiko Milano, Versace, Coach, BRACCIALINI, FURLA, Salvatore Ferragamo, H&M x Adnan, Cartier, Lululemon, Rolex, Patek Philippe, Uniqlo, Burberry, YSL Beauty, Son&Park, MISSHA, GM Korea.
ℐׅ ─ SKILLS RANKING:
vocals ability: 8/10
rap ability: 9/10
dance ability: 8.5/10
visuals: 10/10 (Global Standard)
stage presence: 9.5/10
producing/songwriting/composing: 8/10
choreographing: 7/10
public speaking: 10/10
variety show: 9.5/10
Modeling: 10/10
✦~GET TO KNOW HER; PERSONAL INFORMATION
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ℐׅ ─ Background:
Adnan is a global star with royal lineage—descended from both the House of Al Saud and the House of Thani. Her mother is a world-renowned Somali-French neurosurgeon and former supermodel. Raised between London and Paris, Adnan began modeling at age 12 before debuting with KATSEYE. Known for her elegance, multilingual charm, and regal aura, she is widely recognized as the group’s “mystique icon.”
ℐׅ ─ MBTI: ENFJ
ℐׅ ─ PERSONALITY: Adnan is elegant, observant, and effortlessly confident. Though some mistake her poise for aloofness, she’s deeply warm and intentional once you break past her polished exterior. She has a regal way of carrying herself but laughs easily around people she trusts. She thrives in global settings, adapting to every room she walks into—and often commanding it without trying.
ℐׅ ─ strengths:
• Loyal: Adnan is fiercely protective of the people she loves. She’s known to speak up against hate or injustice, especially when her members or fans are targeted unfairly. “Silence is elegant—but not when someone needs to be defended,” she once said.
• Self-aware & Grounded: Even with a royal lineage and fashion accolades, Adnan has a strong sense of who she is. She doesn’t chase validation. Her presence isn’t loud, but it’s always commanding. She’s confident without being flashy—her power is in her stillness.
ℐׅ ─ weaknesses:
• Internalizes Emotions: Adnan has difficulty expressing when she’s overwhelmed. She often works through difficult emotions alone and avoids asking for help until it’s too much. Her silence is sometimes mistaken for indifference—but it’s really her way of protecting herself.
• Overcontrolled Perfectionism: Years of living under scrutiny taught her to control everything—her image, her posture, even her breathing. She’s learning to let go, but sometimes slips into old habits of over-rehearsing, over-polishing, or hiding parts of herself she fears the world might misread.
ℐׅ ─ SEXUALITY: Straight
ℐׅ ─ RELATIONSHIP STATUS: Rumored to be single (but known for her privacy)
ℐׅ ─ FAMILY INFORMATION:
• Father: Sheikh Nasser Al-Alshehri (Saudi-Qatari royal; renounced his claim to the throne)
• Mother: Élodie Samatar (Somali-French model and art curator)
• Siblings: Only child
• Family Residence(s): London, Paris, Riyadh, Doha
ℐׅ ─ She began modeling professionally at age 12, first walking for Chanel in Paris.
• ✧ She was scouted by Bang Si-Hyuk personally after they met at an LVMH fashion gala—her presence inspired the creation of The Debut: Dream Academy.
• ✧ Her father is a Saudi-Qatari royal who gave up his place in the line of succession to marry her mother, a Somali-French model and art curator.
• ✧ Though born royal, she doesn’t use any official titles—but is often called “The Rebellious Royal” by media.
• ✧ She speaks English and French fluently, and can hold a conversation in Arabic.
• ✧ Her fashion nickname among fans is “The Living Runway” because of her elegant posture and effortless looks.
• ✧ She has a signature walk that designers often tailor their shows around.
• ✧ Her charm symbol in KATSEYE is the diamond flame 🔥💎
• ✧ She once said in an interview that she doesn’t chase trends: “I wear what feels like me—even if no one else gets it.”
• ✧ Her fans call her “Princess of Duality” for her ability to switch from icy and mysterious onstage to warm and witty in interviews.
• ✧ Favorite Color: Deep emerald green or royal navy (she says they “feel like silence and power”)
• ✧ Favorite Perfume: La Prairie Platinum Rare & Baccarat Rouge 540
• ✧ Favorite Fashion Brands: Chanel, Miu Miu, Jacquemus, Saint Laurent, Maison Margiela
• ✧ Favorite Accessory: Vintage gold rings—especially ones passed down by her mother
• ✧ Favorite Food: Truffle risotto, Somali spiced tea, and French-style croissants
• ✧ Favorite Drink: Black coffee with a touch of cardamom
• ✧ Favorite Hobby: Reading obscure fashion history books, curating visual journals, nighttime photography
Favorite Songs:
• “Alien Superstar” by Beyoncé
• “Outro: Tear” by BTS
• “I Am” by Ive (“It’s giving runway energy.”)
• “Adagio for Strings” – Samuel Barber (for calm mornings)
• ✧ Favorite KATSEYE Lyric: “Soft is strong, and silence can shake empires.”
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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     ⪩ INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT   𑆪ིྀᩧ
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﹒౨ৎ﹒USERNAME: adnannoura
﹒౨ৎ﹒DATE JOINED: June 2018
﹒౨ৎ﹒FOLLOWERS: 155M
﹒౨ৎ﹒POST: 550
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⌕ ‣    How Adnan Uses Her Instagram ׁ⠀ ࣭ ⠀⠀⊹
Adnan’s Instagram (@adnannoura) isn’t just a social feed — it’s an extension of her mystique. Despite having over 155 million followers, she keeps her page curated and controlled, treating it more like a living portfolio than a daily diary.
⌕ ‣    What she shares:
• Editorial-level photos: luxury campaign shoots, behind-the-scenes from KATSEYE, or quiet portraits in Paris, Doha, or backstage halls
• Personal but subtle moments: a blurry sunset from her hotel room, a soft mirror selfie with no caption, or a glimpse of handwritten poetry.
• Her culture woven in naturally: sometimes she posts a Somali proverb in her caption, an Arabic lyric, or an old black-and-white photo of her mother’s Paris days.
• Live sessions: rare, late-night Lives where she plays Arab classics, hums along, or answers fan questions in English, French, or soft Arabic phrases.
⌕ ‣    What she doesn’t share:
• She never overshares or posts daily.
• She avoids tagging exact locations — privacy is everything.
• No personal rants, no random stories — every post has purpose.
⌕ ‣    The vibe:
Her followers know: when Adnan posts, it’s intentional. She’s not trying to be an influencer — she’s an icon. Her page feels like a quiet window into her world: elegant, timeless, and always leaving people wanting more.
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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CHERRY RED cindy kimberly | 2025
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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Yes OMGGG, it is ionic to see someone rock 4 identities. There's so many diversity yet all three cultures have so many things in common that can connect her to her French, Somali and Arab identity too (since I'm Somali and Arab) . As well as my mom is also Somali too.
Also that Italian there was a good take, idk if it was intentional but it also adds to her Somali identity since many older Somalis speak Italian due to colonialism as well as many somalis migrated to italy due to the civil war.
I'll private message you if that's okay since there's some ideas I help add on to her, like the ideas you said below.
Omg yes! It’s honestly iconic to see one character carry four identities so naturally. The mix of Somali, Arab, French, and that hint of Italian just makes so much sense especially since a lot of older Somalis speak Italian and so many families moved there during and after the civil war. It feels authentic, not forced. I love that she can pull from all those cultures yet they connect beautifully. And same here, my mom is Somali too so it makes her feel extra close to home for me. 🫶🏽
I have so many more ideas for her too, u can DM so we can build on this together!
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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omg I had go take a double take for Adnan's profile. DID YOU DAY SHE IS PART SOMALI OMGGGGGGG (I'm also part Somali to lol) I never would have expected my country to be on these lol. It's crazy seeing parts of your culture on her like the name place and the Arabic too, so thank you 👏
Omg!! 🫶🏽🥹 That means SO much to hear yes, Adnan is part Somali just like you! 🤍✨
I love that you noticed the Somali roots, the Arabic hints, and her name. it’s really special to include parts of Somali culture in a global, elegant way. Representation matters so much, and seeing a Somali-French-Arab girl owning the runway and the K-pop stage? Iconic.
Thank you for noticing it and connecting with it. it makes her feel even more real. If you have ideas for more Somali touches (like what food she loves, a phrase she’d say, or a special nickname her mom uses), tell me!! I’d love to weave them into her story with you. 🩷
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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I’m so excited to write my oc male member for bts!!! He’s London-born, half Korean–Japanese, soft-spoken by day… but don’t let that pretty face fool you. 👀
More freaky than Jungkook and J-Hope combined and he knows exactly what he’s doing. You’ve been warned. 🖤✨
How ARMY describes him:
• “If Jungkook is golden, Isiah is forbidden.”
• “The Weeknd but with a British accent and soft eyes. We’re doomed.”
• “BTS’s certified ‘make you cry then ruin you at 3am’ member.”
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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How is the update coming along queen no rush<3
Still working on but here is her profile
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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( ♡ ) ... 🏹 ⁀ ADNAN’s PROFILE ࿐ !
Je-je-jealous of my mansion? Yeah, the view is fucking gnarly
𓂃  ✷ ˒  𝙸𝙽𝚃𝚁𝙾𝙳𝚄𝙲𝙸𝙽𝙶 !  𓄹╴ Adnan Noura bint Al-Alshehri
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✽ ˖* 𓂃Adnan Noura bint Al-Alshehri ( born August 1st, 2003 ) known professionally as Adnan is a British Influencer, singer, rapper, model, Global Ambassador, and dancer. She first began her career as a model at age twelve and has modeled for fashion brands such as Chanel, LV, CELENE, Dior, Levi's, and many others. As a singer, Adnan debuted as a member of the global girl group KATSEYE under Hybe and Geffen Records. Adnan is of Somali & French descent on her mother’s side & Saudi Arabian & Qatari on her father’s side, who is a descent of House of Al Saud, & House of Thani, the ruling royal families of Saudi Arabia & Qatar. The Al-Alshehri family net worth is estimated to be $50 billion.
✦ ~ GET TO KNOW HER; BASICS ~ ✦
ℐׅ ─ Name: Adnan Noura bint Al-Alshehri
ℐׅ ─ Name meaning:
• Adnan (عدنان)
In Arabic, Adnan means “settler” or “one who stays and builds”. Historically, it traces back to an ancient Arabian ancestor said to be the forefather of many Arab tribes — symbolizing deep roots, enduring presence, and continuity.
In her context, it reflects strength, legacy, and her father’s wish that she’d always be grounded, no matter how global her world became.
• Noura (نورة)
Noura is a beloved Arabic name meaning “light”. For her parents, it symbolizes hope, warmth, and the miracle she became after years of waiting. Her mother chose it to mark her as the light in their lives — the sunrise after many nights.
• bint Al-Alshehri (بنت آل الشهري)
Literally “daughter of the Al-Alshehri family” — a traditional naming style in Arab culture signifying family lineage. It shows pride in her Gulf royal roots while grounding her in her father’s legacy, which she carries in her global stage name.
ℐׅ ─ Stage Name: Adnan (أدنان)
ℐׅ ─ Born: August 1, 2003
ℐׅ ─ Zodiac Sign: Leo ♌
ℐׅ ─ Chinese Zodiac: Goat
ℐׅ ─ Birthplace: London, United Kingdom
ℐׅ ─ Nationality: British
ℐׅ ─ Ethnicity: Somali, French, Saudi Arabian, Qatari
ℐׅ ─ Height: 175 cm (5’9”)
ℐׅ ─ Blood Type: AB
Languages: English, French, Arabic, Italian, Somali, Korean (learning)
ℐׅ ─ MBTI: ENFJ
ℐׅ ─ Representative Symbol: Diamond flame 🔥 💎
✦ ~GET TO KNOW HER; CAREER INFORMATION ~ ✦
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ℐׅ ─ Stage name: Adnan (أدنان / 아드난)
ℐׅ ─ Group: KATSEYE (HYBE x Geffen)
ℐׅ ─ Debut: June 28, 2024
ℐׅ ─ Position: Vocalist, Rapper, Visual, Dancer, Model
ℐׅ ─ occupation(s): Singer, Rapper, Model, Global Ambassador, Songwriter, Dancer, actress
ℐׅ ─ Debut age: 20 (Int.) / 22 (Kor.)
ℐׅ ─ Strong suits: her fashion sense • public image • modeling • fluent interviews • stage charisma • global appeal • luxury branding • freestyle rapping • live vocals • red carpet etiquette • elegance in motion
ℐׅ ─ Individual endorsements: INDIVIDUAL ENDORSEMENT(S): Chanel, Miu Miu, Bulgari, La Prairie, Balmain, Mugler, Jacquemus, Cartier, Louis Vuitton, Maison Margiela, Valentino, Kay Jewelers, l'Oreal, Balmain, Guess Italy & Australia, Etro, Givenchy x Avani, CoverGirl U.S, Revlon, Kylie Cosmetics, Luxottica x Adnan, Loro Piana, Bikkembergs, Oriflame Cosmetics, Bulgari, Krizia, Gucci Beauty x Adnan, Armani Beauty, Fendi, Bottega Veneta, Elizabeth Arden, Adidas, Kiko Milano, Versace, Coach, BRACCIALINI, FURLA, Salvatore Ferragamo, H&M x Adnan, Cartier, Lululemon, Rolex, Patek Philippe, Uniqlo, Burberry, YSL Beauty, Son&Park, MISSHA, GM Korea.
ℐׅ ─ SKILLS RANKING:
vocals ability: 8/10
rap ability: 9/10
dance ability: 8.5/10
visuals: 10/10 (Global Standard)
stage presence: 9.5/10
producing/songwriting/composing: 8/10
choreographing: 7/10
public speaking: 10/10
variety show: 9.5/10
Modeling: 10/10
✦~GET TO KNOW HER; PERSONAL INFORMATION
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ℐׅ ─ Background:
Adnan is a global star with royal lineage—descended from both the House of Al Saud and the House of Thani. Her mother is a world-renowned Somali-French neurosurgeon and former supermodel. Raised between London and Paris, Adnan began modeling at age 12 before debuting with KATSEYE. Known for her elegance, multilingual charm, and regal aura, she is widely recognized as the group’s “mystique icon.”
ℐׅ ─ MBTI: ENFJ
ℐׅ ─ PERSONALITY: Adnan is elegant, observant, and effortlessly confident. Though some mistake her poise for aloofness, she’s deeply warm and intentional once you break past her polished exterior. She has a regal way of carrying herself but laughs easily around people she trusts. She thrives in global settings, adapting to every room she walks into—and often commanding it without trying.
ℐׅ ─ strengths:
• Loyal: Adnan is fiercely protective of the people she loves. She’s known to speak up against hate or injustice, especially when her members or fans are targeted unfairly. “Silence is elegant—but not when someone needs to be defended,” she once said.
• Self-aware & Grounded: Even with a royal lineage and fashion accolades, Adnan has a strong sense of who she is. She doesn’t chase validation. Her presence isn’t loud, but it’s always commanding. She’s confident without being flashy—her power is in her stillness.
ℐׅ ─ weaknesses:
• Internalizes Emotions: Adnan has difficulty expressing when she’s overwhelmed. She often works through difficult emotions alone and avoids asking for help until it’s too much. Her silence is sometimes mistaken for indifference—but it’s really her way of protecting herself.
• Overcontrolled Perfectionism: Years of living under scrutiny taught her to control everything—her image, her posture, even her breathing. She’s learning to let go, but sometimes slips into old habits of over-rehearsing, over-polishing, or hiding parts of herself she fears the world might misread.
ℐׅ ─ SEXUALITY: Straight
ℐׅ ─ RELATIONSHIP STATUS: Rumored to be single (but known for her privacy)
ℐׅ ─ FAMILY INFORMATION:
• Father: Sheikh Nasser Al-Alshehri (Saudi-Qatari royal; renounced his claim to the throne)
• Mother: Élodie Samatar (Somali-French model and art curator)
• Siblings: Only child
• Family Residence(s): London, Paris, Riyadh, Doha
ℐׅ ─ She began modeling professionally at age 12, first walking for Chanel in Paris.
• ✧ She was scouted by Bang Si-Hyuk personally after they met at an LVMH fashion gala—her presence inspired the creation of The Debut: Dream Academy.
• ✧ Her father is a Saudi-Qatari royal who gave up his place in the line of succession to marry her mother, a Somali-French model and art curator.
• ✧ Though born royal, she doesn’t use any official titles—but is often called “The Rebellious Royal” by media.
• ✧ She speaks English and French fluently, and can hold a conversation in Arabic.
• ✧ Her fashion nickname among fans is “The Living Runway” because of her elegant posture and effortless looks.
• ✧ She has a signature walk that designers often tailor their shows around.
• ✧ Her charm symbol in KATSEYE is the diamond flame 🔥💎
• ✧ She once said in an interview that she doesn’t chase trends: “I wear what feels like me—even if no one else gets it.”
• ✧ Her fans call her “Princess of Duality” for her ability to switch from icy and mysterious onstage to warm and witty in interviews.
• ✧ Favorite Color: Deep emerald green or royal navy (she says they “feel like silence and power”)
• ✧ Favorite Perfume: La Prairie Platinum Rare & Baccarat Rouge 540
• ✧ Favorite Fashion Brands: Chanel, Miu Miu, Jacquemus, Saint Laurent, Maison Margiela
• ✧ Favorite Accessory: Vintage gold rings—especially ones passed down by her mother
• ✧ Favorite Food: Truffle risotto, Somali spiced tea, and French-style croissants
• ✧ Favorite Drink: Black coffee with a touch of cardamom
• ✧ Favorite Hobby: Reading obscure fashion history books, curating visual journals, nighttime photography
Favorite Songs:
• “Alien Superstar” by Beyoncé
• “Outro: Tear” by BTS
• “I Am” by Ive (“It’s giving runway energy.”)
• “Adagio for Strings” – Samuel Barber (for calm mornings)
• ✧ Favorite KATSEYE Lyric: “Soft is strong, and silence can shake empires.”
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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Adnan 🩷🩷🩷🩷
Ughhhh she’s so pretty!!!!
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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Girly there’s a Gnarly ice spice remix!!!!
No wayyyyy I can’t wait
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nanseyeworld · 2 months ago
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What groups do you stan??
I’m mainly into 3rd gen groups & definitely Katseye also casual listener of some 4th gen groups
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