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you need to stop thinking about transmasc and transfem as just being mirror copies of each other, as just the same phenomenon but with the genders switched, with the genders in question being purely incidental and aesthetic

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i don't want to put this person on blast so im not screenshoting the url but. y'all realize that "being seen as a threat" is not "being perceived as strong", right? If you're black, or transfem, or visibly mentally ill, "being seen as a threat" does not mean "oh wow this person can take care of themself, i shouldnt mess with them!!". It means "this person is going to mug me/attack me/rape me/my wife/children", ergo "I should beat/kill this person on sight". Being seen as a threat does not grant you any fucking protection, it paints a fucking target on your back. Come the fuck on.

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When a trans person's gender gets denied, that doesn't mean they just get the social status of their agab. If that were the case, Trans women would be paid more and killed less.

Yet, it is the exact opposite. There is still a gender dynamic among trans people, one that favors men. The trans men in this case. Now, the dynamics are not the exact same as with cis people, but its a misogynist dynamic nonetheless. For example, the gender dynamics between a brown guy and me, a brown girl, is different from a white man and a white girl.

Both dynamics favor men however. And, the brown man as an extra axis of oppression for being brown. Similarly, trans men have one for being trans.

I care deeply for the racism that men of my skin are subjected to daily. And I feel the same way about the transphobia that trans men get. But I need both to understand intersectionality and to stop treating women like shit.

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look. it is true that things associated with femininity and womanhood have been socially positioned as "less than" things associated with masculinity and manhood. but it is also possible to talk about this without concluding any of the following:

this is biological (it's not!)

femininity is actually superior to masculinity (why does anything have to be better than anything else?)

appealing to gender socialisation theory (please read some transfeminism. please.)

women are therefore rewarded for proximity to manliness, or can always get ahead by taking on manhood (talk to one butch. or woman of colour. or trans woman. or any number of other socially masculinised women in your life I beg of you)

every single instance of someone criticising something targeted at women is inherently due to misogyny (taylor's private jet isn't gonna fuck you)

it is in fact possible to talk about misogyny without reinforcing ideas rooted in oppositional sexism and without talking about femininity as if it's an inherently magical mystical thing that is held in the beautiful womb or whatever

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Anyone with two eyes should be able to see that "we are all faggots to the state" is blatantly not true in between how transmisogyny-exempt LGBT people have primarily focused on assimilation as a political goal in the US as of the past solid decade along with the fact that the overwhelming majority of legislature aiming to eliminate us has been primarily focused on trans women.

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mind you all i did was compare 2 experiences of misogyny and used that to point out how reactionary of a name and concept transandrophobia is

really its incredible how quickly that post got steamrolled by the same logical fallacies and word-putting-in-mouthing and stuff that ive seen so many other transfeminists be shut down with. in no time at all we had "so youre calling trans men white women" and "just say you dont care about sexual assault survivors" and "we know you people dont care about trans people in the global south". how long can we go before im pedojacked /s

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really its incredible how quickly that post got steamrolled by the same logical fallacies and word-putting-in-mouthing and stuff that ive seen so many other transfeminists be shut down with. in no time at all we had "so youre calling trans men white women" and "just say you dont care about sexual assault survivors" and "we know you people dont care about trans people in the global south". how long can we go before im pedojacked /s

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Idk I just have no patience for trans men/masculine people who refuse to acknowledge transmisogyny. Like. The worst experience I ever had with transphobia was when I was mistaken for a trans women. In a culinary program, I was cutting bell peppers, and one of the other students, a really big dude in a student leadership position, walks in and accusatory goes "so are you trying to be a woman, or something?" And I'm like. Well I'm trying to small dice these peppers. And I tell him I'm not a she and he says something to the effect of "Yeah I know that much." He makes some comment abt how whatever I'm doing doesn't make sense and he doesn't get it and when I tell him he doesn't have to, that he just has to respect it, he says "I don't have to do shit!" And gets real mad! Like actual threats mad! Tells me he could bash my skull in and to meet him outside for a fight and yeah it was fucking scary! The entire interaction I'm reminding myself that I'm the one currently holding a knife, if he tries anything.

Fast forward a few days later and my period is kicking my ass. Just absolutely destroying me. I'm in the dish pit, and I am visibly struggling, I'm nauseous, I'm in pain and bracing myself against walls. I'm not walking straight. And the same student leadership guy who was so aggressive with me when he thought I was transfem?

He tells me I look like I'm going to pass out. He says it's obvious I'm in pain, I shouldn't be in class, I can go sit down and if nobody can replace me he'll do the dishes himself.

Like. Do you get it yet. It's not just that he felt comfortable openly threatening me in a room full of other people when he thought I was a trans woman. It's that he did a complete 180 and was not only willing to support me, but actually pick up my slack once he knew I wasn't "that kind" of transgender. As soon as one of our classmates confirmed to him that I wasn't the wrong type of trans person I suddenly became someone who actually deserved care and compassion in his eyes. The "bigots think we're all the same and hate all of is equally" rhetoric isn't fucking true. It's just peddled to deny the privilege we have over other members of our community so it's easier to ignore how inhospitable supposedly trans-centric spaces are for TMA people.

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you are lying. you are straight up fucking lying to excuse your desire to steal self-describing words from transfems. this term was not coined for inclusivity, it was coined by trans women talking about their personal experiences and identities.

some of the earliest known usages of the term "transfeminine" were in the 80s, noteably, in an article in the magazine the tv-ts tapestry, which was largely made by trans women for trans women. the vast majority of articles were written by trans women and a trans woman was the one who wrote an article using the term. from the beginning, before it was popularized and before a lot of the transgender language used today, it was about trans women. it was created by trans women. you are the one co-opting the term. you are the one who is deliberately trying to muddy the definition of transfem. it has never meant "literally any [trans person] whose gender is more feminine than masculine." shut the fuck up and let trans women have terms of their own.

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YES EXACTLY. people in the notes are pretending like i said trans men are white woman (i didnt) instead of realizing im using argument tools like comparison that are taught to teenagers. comparing two things isnt evil, even when someone is comparing two forms of misogyny to discuss the differences in how theyre talked about by men

you cannot believe in transandrophobia and also believe in trans solidarity. they are mutually exclusive because the concept of transandrophobia is a massive misunderstanding of what transmisogyny is. people who believe transandrophobia isnt real do not, in fact, believe trans men dont experience transphobia or that they experience a less intense version of transphobia compared to trans women. its just that the concept of transandrophobia is based on a reactionary misunderstanding of transmisogyny as a concept

imagine if white feminists saw black feminists talking about misogynoir, didnt read up on sources discussing misogynoir, decided misogynoir is just a label for misogyny thats specifically directed at black women, and coined the terms "blancsogyny" and later "whitesogyny" to describe misogyny specifically directed at white women

and when black feminists take issue with the term whitesogyny and correctly claim its a reactionary misunderstanding of misogynoir, those white feminists reply "no its definitely real. when someone accuses me of using white women tears to win an argument or makes fun of white women buying pumpkin spice lattes that's whitesogyny"

and when pressed for examples of what whitesogyny looks like as actual expressions of oppression that uniquely result from the intersection of being white and being a woman, the white feminists claiming that whitesogyny is real say things like "being denied access to abortions" or "not being taken seriously by doctors" or "having my work experience undermined by men who dont work in the same field as i do" or "not being paid as much as the men i work with", which are presented by the people claiming whitesogyny is real as if women who are not white dont experience any of those things

trans men and transmasculine people experience transphobia. they dont experience transmisandry or transandrophobia because being a man/being masculine is not an axis of oppression. being a man or being masculine can shape how you are oppressed, but that doesn't make it an axis of oppression itself

to date no examples i have ever been given as proof that transandrophobia exists have all been things experienced by cafab people who arent transmasc and/or by transfeminine people. the non-exhaustive list of things people have told me are exclusively transmasculine problems include corrective rape, denial of medical care, forced pregnancy, and murder

if you sincerely believe trans men and transmasculine people are the exclusive or major group of trans people who experience these things, i don't expect you to get this far without blocking me but if you have i implore you to read transfeminist sources. read the whipping girl at the very least

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your tags are exactly the kind of misunderstanding im talking about in this post. transandrophobia, transmisandry, transandromisia, etc were coined based off of a misunderstanding of transmisogyny as some kind of transphobia that trans women and transfems are the only ones impacted by

transmisogyny is an intersection of two distinct forms of oppression, namely transphobia and misogyny. trans women are denied their womanhood (transphobia) but still held down by systemic and structural misogyny and mistreated the same way cis women are (misogyny). this is easily seen in things like public nudity laws that ban women from being topless in public being applied to trans women who are also denied their womanhood through things like sex-based sumptuary laws or sex-based bathroom segregation bills

transandrophobia does not exist because there is not an axis of oppression towards men as a class that would intersect with transphobia. what trans men and trans mascs have been labeling "transandrophobia" is invariably either transphobia (calling it transphobia and not transandrophobia in no way diminishes or dismisses its impact on trans men) or reactionary bad-faith smears on trans women and transfeminists who are trying to communicate this gross transmisogynistic misunderstanding

and by god, have some awareness. dozens of trans women have been banned by tumblr for being trans women and having completely sfw blogs and merely discussing transmisogyny, including a woman who was personally harassed and stalked by the ceo onto another platform because her sfw blog was deleted due to her being a trans woman

you cannot believe in transandrophobia and also believe in trans solidarity. they are mutually exclusive because the concept of transandrophobia is a massive misunderstanding of what transmisogyny is. people who believe transandrophobia isnt real do not, in fact, believe trans men dont experience transphobia or that they experience a less intense version of transphobia compared to trans women. its just that the concept of transandrophobia is based on a reactionary misunderstanding of transmisogyny as a concept

imagine if white feminists saw black feminists talking about misogynoir, didnt read up on sources discussing misogynoir, decided misogynoir is just a label for misogyny thats specifically directed at black women, and coined the terms "blancsogyny" and later "whitesogyny" to describe misogyny specifically directed at white women

and when black feminists take issue with the term whitesogyny and correctly claim its a reactionary misunderstanding of misogynoir, those white feminists reply "no its definitely real. when someone accuses me of using white women tears to win an argument or makes fun of white women buying pumpkin spice lattes that's whitesogyny"

and when pressed for examples of what whitesogyny looks like as actual expressions of oppression that uniquely result from the intersection of being white and being a woman, the white feminists claiming that whitesogyny is real say things like "being denied access to abortions" or "not being taken seriously by doctors" or "having my work experience undermined by men who dont work in the same field as i do" or "not being paid as much as the men i work with", which are presented by the people claiming whitesogyny is real as if women who are not white dont experience any of those things

trans men and transmasculine people experience transphobia. they dont experience transmisandry or transandrophobia because being a man/being masculine is not an axis of oppression. being a man or being masculine can shape how you are oppressed, but that doesn't make it an axis of oppression itself

to date no examples i have ever been given as proof that transandrophobia exists have all been things experienced by cafab people who arent transmasc and/or by transfeminine people. the non-exhaustive list of things people have told me are exclusively transmasculine problems include corrective rape, denial of medical care, forced pregnancy, and murder

if you sincerely believe trans men and transmasculine people are the exclusive or major group of trans people who experience these things, i don't expect you to get this far without blocking me but if you have i implore you to read transfeminist sources. read the whipping girl at the very least

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you cannot believe in transandrophobia and also believe in trans solidarity. they are mutually exclusive because the concept of transandrophobia is a massive misunderstanding of what transmisogyny is. people who believe transandrophobia isnt real do not, in fact, believe trans men dont experience transphobia or that they experience a less intense version of transphobia compared to trans women. its just that the concept of transandrophobia is based on a reactionary misunderstanding of transmisogyny as a concept

imagine if white feminists saw black feminists talking about misogynoir, didnt read up on sources discussing misogynoir, decided misogynoir is just a label for misogyny thats specifically directed at black women, and coined the terms "blancsogyny" and later "whitesogyny" to describe misogyny specifically directed at white women

and when black feminists take issue with the term whitesogyny and correctly claim its a reactionary misunderstanding of misogynoir, those white feminists reply "no its definitely real. when someone accuses me of using white women tears to win an argument or makes fun of white women buying pumpkin spice lattes that's whitesogyny"

and when pressed for examples of what whitesogyny looks like as actual expressions of oppression that uniquely result from the intersection of being white and being a woman, the white feminists claiming that whitesogyny is real say things like "being denied access to abortions" or "not being taken seriously by doctors" or "having my work experience undermined by men who dont work in the same field as i do" or "not being paid as much as the men i work with", which are presented by the people claiming whitesogyny is real as if women who are not white dont experience any of those things

trans men and transmasculine people experience transphobia. they dont experience transmisandry or transandrophobia because being a man/being masculine is not an axis of oppression. being a man or being masculine can shape how you are oppressed, but that doesn't make it an axis of oppression itself

to date no examples i have ever been given as proof that transandrophobia exists have all been things experienced by cafab people who arent transmasc and/or by transfeminine people. the non-exhaustive list of things people have told me are exclusively transmasculine problems include corrective rape, denial of medical care, forced pregnancy, and murder

if you sincerely believe trans men and transmasculine people are the exclusive or major group of trans people who experience these things, i don't expect you to get this far without blocking me but if you have i implore you to read transfeminist sources. read the whipping girl at the very least

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when i was first exploring the fat side of my sexuality and before i started gaining, like, i invented this deer character and called him jupiter (this guy). he's supposed to be my idealized self. his whole fetish bit was supposed to be that everybody in his orbit ended up fatter. i think i currently live in a world where i have become this character the way people are telling me i inspired them to gain weight

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it is kind of fucking insane that chronically online tme teenagers/young adults have convinced themselves that being gay/mlm is inherently transmasculine and now are claiming the same for being a lesbian/wlw by treating butches as synonymous with transmasculinity. truly where the hell are transfems supposed to go

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why are so many mouthwashing fans so hell-bent on making the abusive misogynistic rapist the only dark-skinned one. why are they so obsessed with making him non-white

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"curly couldnt have done anything without fucking over the rest of the crew" and "reporting jimmy wouldnt have had any effect because x y z" mouthwashing fans when they learn about mandated reporters, liability, and the golden rule

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this is how some mouthwashing fans are when you say sexual assault is a major and obvious theme if not THEE thesis of the game