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while c!wilbur is an agent of chaos and destruction after his insanity arc of manburg, i seriously doubt that he will end up actually helping c!Dream break out of prison.

Wilbur fucking HATED being alive at the end of his last canon life. once he died, whenever tommy or tubbo brought up reviving him, Ghostbur would get upset, and also when they talked to Alivebur in the finale he was audibly against being resurrected.

so while i’m all for a resurrection villain wilbur arc, i seriously doubt that hes gonna get up from his corpse and feel indentured to Dream.

c!Wilburs want for destruction doesn’t outweigh the relief of being dead for him. sure, hes been dead for 9 years (4 months our time) but that really doesn’t have a play in the fact that c!Wilbur ironically finished his unfinished symphony and no longer wants to be alive.

c!Wilbur also doesn’t hold any morals. he doesn’t have a moral compass; and doesn’t care about favors nor mutual respect like others on the server do. he’s dead. he has no reason to give a shit about favors or people’s feelings. he’ll kill dream if he wants to kill dream; which i feel like is the most plausible as Wilbur has repeatedly stated to NOT bring him back to life.

i have a feeling that dream isn’t going to die at the hands of tommy, but instead at the failure of his own actions and be murdered by another psychopath who craves death, unlike himself.

he’s not even gonna kill Dream to protect tommy it’ll be because the bastard made him be alive again.

ÉDIT: nvm wilbur just said fuck consistency and loves living again like that makes literally no sense but ok

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/rp

i want c!sam to go apeshit. i want him to riot. i want him to yell at phil for not protecting tommy. to scream at tubbo for not caring more that his best friend is dead. i want him to scare jack away from tommy’s hotel. i want him to blame the entire server for tommy’s injustice. i want him to take dreams final life.

tommy voiced how scared and afraid he was in dream’s cell to sam minutes before his death. sam knew that tommy couldn’t stay in there for much longer - but as warden security was more important. he lost tommy to a monster.

i want sam to just let his emotions rein over the smp over the loss of what seemed like a son to him. Sam nook never shows up again. sam murders c!dream in an act of extreme anger and rage. sam takes out his grief and loss on every last person who did tommy wrong; who didn’t care that he was trapped alone with his abuser, who took advantage of him, who said they loved him but didn’t care when he was in trouble. i want sam to finally be at the centre of attention with an absolute wave of terribly strong emotions that no one will be able to combat with.

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Techno rly said “can’t rn im doing hot girl shit” 

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I truly don’t think there will be a better feeling in the dreamsmp than watching c!Dream put all of his things in a hole, and getting to see him feel how he made Tommy feel so many times.

That was like a high man

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what? impending doom on the dream smp? something about the discs? AGAIN? no, what are you talking about friend! you must mean tommy and tubbo fighting dream for their independence! cmon, we got a lot of grinding ahead of us :)

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/rp /dreamsmp!

As much as Tommy and Tubbo dying would suck and be a terrible end to the major plot line in the dream smp, Tommy got wilburs crossbow "chekov’s gun" back today and I don’t necessarily think it was a coincidence.

Tommy’s been referring back to Wilbur quite often in his sparse streams of late, and one of wilburs biggest themes was chekov’s gun, (little reminder) a theme in film that every single event, idea, or item must be important or else it is a farce, and breaks the integrity of the story line.

Tommy and Tubbo continuously reference their death, and I think that Tommy receiving wilburs crossbow Chekhov’s gun is a reminder that Tommy’s words hold weight. That this could just be Wilbur reminding the two about a concept he talked about so often in his pogtopia days, that maybe his crossbow coming back to Tommy was to signal to the audience that, Tommy’s words of his own death, are playing to Chekhov’s gun, and that they will be played out by tomorrow.

I hope that somehow, Tommy and Tubbo get a happy ending. Somehow, they beat Dream, the discs are laid to rest, and somehow, they can finally be happy. That never seems to be the way of the smp though, does it?

ÉDIT: I AM SO VERY HAPPY FOR HOW TERRIBLE THIS POST AGED

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The fact that Tubbo might be the one inadvertently responsible for fucking nuking Tommy if jack and nikkis plan works i- 😀

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Wish this happened 😭😭😭

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Thé way c!Phil cares more for ranboo than his dead son just </3 or even his alive son at that matter

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Simply thinking about Tommy and Tubbo going away together and tracking down Dream,,being nomads together,, leaving everything they know on a journey in the wilderness until they stumble upon a masked man in a field with a poorly built shack, tending flowers........

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Kind of a dissection of the c!dream smp folx and their viewpoints?? Yea

Almost every memeber involved in the primary plot of Dream smp, is in fact, selfish.

Not a single Character can, or refuses, to understand a perspective different from their own.

Most notably, Tommy and Techno refuse to understand each other’s side, which although could be shoved in a closet and shut for a considerable amount of time, eventually breaks out through a catalyst, and tears them apart.

Techno is right! He has been seen solely as a weapon by every member on the L’manberg side dubbed "The Blade" unwillingly and has been taken advantage of for his skill and blood god tendencies. Techno has always been upfront with his intentions, never ignoring them, and has never truly done an act of betrayal. Government can be bad, and in his eyes, chaos is the only answer to this.

Tommy is also right! He is a child abused by years of political warfare, manipulation, and has grown into intense trust issues, needing attention, and extreme loyalty and protection to those he deems worthy of it. Tommy never dreamed of siding with techno when his home was destroyed by him on November 16th. But when Tommy came to his lowest point ever, he crawled his way to the only protection he knew, his brother. Like I said, Tommy and techno could sweep their political views aside for the time being, and I’d like to believe that they really loved each other’s company. Tommy’s helmet, sneaking into L’manberg, being deemed "worthy" of the Axe of Peace, Tommy put the past behind him. I think that when Tommy told techno that he betrayed him again today, it wasn’t necessarily from his home being destroyed in totality. It was that he let himself trust techno again, and his brother hurt him. Just like every other brother he’s had. Just like his father. Tommy is allowed to be upset at everyone for ignoring him in exile, and while I’m sure that some of the peoples intentions when seeing him weren’t pity, they only visited him once and never again. Quackity simply came to make fun of him, not consoling him when he clearly needed friends. He’s right when he says he was abandoned, and if Tubbo missed him so much, he should have gone and seen him.

Tubbo struggles with being president, being completely destroyed by others comparisons to the first President of L’manberg, and his manipulator. He’s been kept under the thumb of Dream since his country has been rebuilt, and has no other option but to comply with exiling his best friend when pushed too far in one direction. Tubbo wanted to see Tommy in exile. He realized it was a mistake. But Tommy never fully disclosed to Tubbo what happened to him in exile. Instead of understanding, Tubbo gets angry when he realizes that Tommy is still alive. Tommy gets upset that Tubbo never visited him. Tommy says some things that root from anger and abandonment, that were meant for someone else who wears a mask and holds tnt in one hand and obsidian in the other. Tubbo was never graced with the knowledge of Tommy’s exile trauma, and therefore can’t know what Tommy’s been though.

Philza refuses to understand Ghostburs pain, simply saying "youll understand one day", instead of consoling his son who has to pay for the destruction of his home and belongings his father caused in favor of his brother, who worked for peace and love and was met with the cold response of his father not even apologizing nor sympathizing his sons pain. He can’t put his own anarchism ideals to the side for a second to allow his son to FEEL.

Niki is left behind. She’s talked over, had everything stolen from her, has her kindness used as a weapon against herself, and has been met with nothing but harshness from the people she gave love to. She has a right to be angry. She has a right to hate Tommy.

Ranboo is seen as a traitor to the country that he never sought alliance to. He’s seen as an indecisive amnesiac who can’t understand the basic concept of a country (when in reality he does, and he still doesn’t care) ((If you ask me, Ranboo is right. You should chose people, not countries. ))

Most of these problems stem from c!Tommy, we can all agree. Tommy is tunnel visioned, and has been purely seeking the discs for quite a long time. The thing is, that if people just TALKED, to one another, maybe L’manberg wouldnt be gone right now.

These people are selfish.

If Tommy realized that techno is tired, and wants to be seen as a friend more than a weapon, that Tubbo deserves to be a kid again, just like himself, that Niki deserves fucking respect, and that ranboo isn’t a traitor for having friends, then maybe L’manberg would still be here.

Techno doesn’t fully understand Tommy’s trauma, and is concerned only with the destruction of government (which frankly shouldn’t have been built right in front of him), to which would never have affected him in retirement. He doesn’t understand Tubbo trying his best to lead the country handed to him at too young of an age, but instead sees him as a ruler of a government, therefore he =bad.

Niki doesn’t know that Tommy went through absolute hell in exile, that he wasn’t going to be there for the festival if things got any worse, and that he is genuinely trying to be better.

These people are selfish. While their causes matter, they will never look at the other side. They will never understand why there’s conflict, why someone is angry with them. And that’s why we will always have interpersonal conflict between almost every character on the smp. They all refuse to cast their own views aside, to understand how others are affected by their actions (aside from Niki, I don’t think she’s ever done anything wrong on the server)

President Wilbur used to have a rule, a law in place for dignity and integrity. To always fight violence with words. You see what happens when you hold a sword, a wither skull, a parcel of tnt, rather than the hand of your opposite.

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Head empty only thinking about how Tommy rarely plays able sisters on stream anymore bc of how plot heavy his streams are now :(

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tommy: welcome to my very first vlog in which I try different hair products

*sprays hairspray into mouth*

tommy: well, right off the bat I could tell you this one is not very good.

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Theory /roleplay :)

The thought that when c!Tommy (most likely) dies, will only remember the bad things as a juxtaposition to Wilbur (seemingly) only remembering good things is really heart breaking when you think about it.

He won’t remember Tubbo as his best friend. He’ll remember him as the one who exiled him, who seemed to not care enough to visit him. He won’t want to listen to music discs with him. He won’t ever trust Tubbo again. We won’t get the fulfillment of Tommy seeing Tubbo again, but the hurt in Tommy’s eyes at the person who caused this, and the hurt in tubbos eyes that his best friend is dead, and he wasn’t there for him.

He won’t remember his brother technoblade, but a man who helped blow up his country (if he even remembers L’manberg) who spawned demons from hell to destroy what he built. Who teased him and his fate, destined to be the Theseus of the world without a choice.

He won’t remember Wilbur, just the psychopath who craved gunpowder and chaos, who spiraled into madness to destroy his unfinished symphony. With no recollection of his presidency, Wilbur/ghostbur will remain a reminder as to why his county is gone.

Sapnap as the one who killed beloved pets, not as his friend who would sometimes put aside their differences and make drugs, and befriend a bat named Batthew, but as a crazed lunatic who followed God in the name of chaos.

Dream will be the remembrance of the flash of tnt being ignited and the dull sense of manipulation and tears. The feeling of fear and shame when he sees him on the path. With eyes as dark as the obsidian he uses, Tommy will only be reminded of the horrors God has tormented him with.

Eret as the betrayer. The one who took away everything from him when he was just a child. Who was the first name in the long list of bad people, who’s name was recently crossed off - but Tommy will never remember that it was inked out in red pen.

He won’t remember Henry, or sitting at the bench listening to chirp for the first time with Tubbo, the caravan, creating pogtopia, laughing with quackity, feeling accomplished with the independence of his land, building the reverse coaster out of his favorite block OR EVEN WHAT HIS FAVORITE BLOCK WAS.

He’ll remember the heat of lava, the feeling of desperation for his nation when being stuck in the caravan with no other options. Being told that he will never be president, nor amount to any leadership position. Giving away his discs. The sound of fireworks. A microphone echoing. Cold stone. Uncooked potatos. Being exiled for the first time. Being exiled for the second time. Obsidian. A crater. An empty beach. TNT. The cold ocean. Spending Christmas alone. Maybe even granite.

Seeing that c!Tommy keeps insinuating that he will most likely die within the next week or two, it seems that we might have a very sad ghostinnit arc coming soon.

(When I refer to God here, I’m speaking in context of the smp, not faith. So God=dream)

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So apparently a ton of shit happened tonite w quack and eret n shit,,, and while I haven’t watched any streams yet (besides Tommy’s earlier today) all I can say after reading up on basic notes on what happened

Shouldnt Quackity be exiled too?

His actions were under ML(now el rapids?) but hes still vp of L’manberg. And,, I hope we can all agree, his actions are far worse than Tommy’s ever were. Tommy was exiled because he did griefing while under the title of Vice President, quackity SHOULD also be under that same scrutiny now as he stands where Tommy once did.

I know he won’t be exiled, but damn. Really proves the point that Tommy was exiled because of dreams manipulation of the L’manberg government. Not because of his crimes. It was never really about George’s dumb lil cottage, now was it?

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Let’s be honest

Neither party is in the right here.

Let’s kinda break down what happened today, and look at the flaws at both Tommy and Tubbo that led up to this moment of Tommy’s exile.

Tommy, yes, should not have griefed georges stupid little cottage core house. BUT, Dream obviously used this grief as an excuse to play puppeteer with Tubbo and L’manberg. Exile is such an overdramatic punishment for a crime that has been normalized, and done by virtually everyone on the entire server. It wasn’t a big enough crime to deserve the walls, probabtion, and definitely not exile.

Tommy has a hard time keeping his mouth shut. Since he’s so fueled by emotions; especially when he gets upset or angry, he dug this hole deeper than the small ditch it already was. Tommy struggles with his pride, and that’s obviously showing here. If he didn’t go off on a rant about spirit, things may possibly be better than they are now. (Although, I have never seen Tommy be so vague ? His whole breakdown in the meeting room was very strange and I wonder if there was any reasoning behind his behavior?)

Tubbo is trying to do his best as president of a nation that has just come out of a war, and is doing his best to restore peace. Tubbo is right when he is advocating for peace between nations because L’manberg CANT handle another war. He needs to keep the peace so that L’manberg doesn’t fall again, and so it can prosper as it always should have in the first place.

But Tubbo should never have exiled Tommy.

What everyone already knows is that Dream wanted Tommy exiled over such a small crime to seperate him and Tubbo. After seeing how Tubbo gave Tommy probation for a crime that didnt deserve that punishment, Dream knew that he could get away with a much more intense punishment if he pushed Tubbo a little. Which is what happened. Tubbo is just a war-ridden child ina suit that is two sizes too big pushed into power, who is doing what he thinks is best to avoid more conflict. It’s not his fault that he’s in power.

But exiling Tommy was probably the dumbest decision. Tommy is the glue that holds L’manberg together. Even when he says he knows L’manberg is in safe hands and that he can focus on his disks, Tommy will always flock back to L’manberg to fight for its glory if need be. He built the country, and as a founding father he will always defend it. He’s the guard dog. He always bears his teeth when threatened, and will run into battle head first to protect the place he loves. Getting rid of Tommy has left L’manberg defenseless, and even tho Tommy isn’t the best pvp’er, he is the one who gets everyone through each battle because of his leadership skills and determination. Without Tommy, Dream has his full grasp on L’manberg. Quackity was right when he argued with Tubbo saying that they should have never negotiated with Dream in the first place. Tubbo’s cabnit was submissive from the start. They see a green man in netherite and panic, which is exactly what Dream wants.

Tubbo is a hypocrite. I can’t express how angry it made me when he didn’t support Tommy’s plan of teaming with techno (which was a stupid fucking idea it was terrible and not thought out I’ll give Tubbo that) but then he immediately turns around after exiling Tommy and forming the butcher army? Tubbo yells that he wants peace and therefore Tommy needs to be exiled but then does a one-eighty and goes off with his cabnit and declares attack on techno? Who was - always upfront with his intentions and never lied about his allegiance? Hypocrite.

You can see tubbos horns beginning to grow. You can see Tubbo cutting off the connections that he’s had for lifetimes. His power is getting to his head, whether he knows it or not.

Tubbo getting angry at Tommy isnt completely unjustified. Tommy can be a loose canon, and at times is a liability. But Tubbo complied with Dream, and exiled his best friend. He just agreed with the man that they’ve been fighting against this entire time. He took Dreams side over Tommy.

I’m not sure of what’s going to come from this arc. How Tommy will interact with Tubbo after this, how he will return to L’manberg and the smp.

All I know is that ghostbur is doing his best to keep his promise to Tommy, and that’s to never leave his side. Ghostbur is doing his best to be there for Tommy, to understand what is happening and try to make Tommy feel better. It’s just like how it started. It’s just Wilbur and Tommy. Off together again, with Logsted.

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Wilbur really said “haha gonna take a break from the dream smp smile :)” and immediately started setting up his next character arc.