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Dabi / Touya Todoroki!! 09/24

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Interesting 🤔 I do think Shouto had changed personally, but it’s not explored enough and unfortunately before it could really be explored the Todoroki family kind of got taken over a bit by Endy. I’m sorry I do think he made friendship, and I do think he became friends with Izuku but again wasn’t explored enough to really seal the deal.

Hi, I was wondering about shoto Todoroki before going to be so this may sound a bit nonsense but ...did Shoto really changed or the narrative tricked us?

I want to preface I have no beef with Shoto, this is not a Shoto slander nor hate. I'm curious bc his storyline could have been great haven't be allowed to be.

My thing with Shoto is...his big changing moment is when Izu said "it's your power, bit his" and cool moment, Shoto used his fire and won. I have grievances on how Izu sacrificed a win (I admit I don't think he could have won against Shoto nor BK should but moving on) and got...nothing. Look, not saying Izu should be reward for every little thing but after that moment we could have got a Shoto and Izu friendship (to justify why the fuck Shoto would give his backstory to a complete stranger. Srsly he and Izu were non entities prior the moment)

And yes, Shoto get brownie points for helping Izu in the stain arc. That was nice of him - it set him apart from class A1 who ignored his calls/message "ah but his message was a mess" maybe so but no one shows concern for him! Izu is not someone who cries wolf. Plus they were in patrol.

But ...after that, it seems the character didn't change. He still wants to be a hero. I wouldn't understand if Shoto couldn't stop being hero bc of his father...bc he fears him, let's be real Shoto was a minor and Endy is violent and powerful enough to make his life awful if Shoto decides to be anything else...very convenient shoto wants to be a hero.

In the license arc, Shoto didn't get the license. We do attribute this to Inasa being an entitled fan...but is that just this? Does Shoto helped the others? Acted like a hero? I still remember moments of that anime and in this arc I don't remember Shoto being a team player...I could misremember here.

He makes no friendship, certainly not with Izu. I would argue he befriend BK and that is a Freudian slip - yes, let's blame hori and this is correct as Shoto should hate BK since he hates his father.

There a oneshot to explain the movie "Izu you are a mass murder" where Shoto looks amazed at BK destroying smth of Izu. As if Endy never did smth similar to him in the past which for sure happened.

Its just ...I don't think Shoto changed or had to change.

Izu ...sort change...for worse. He started the story thinking he is worthless. Ended thinking he is a loser- he voiced that, canon. And can only be a hero if someone, his lifelong abuser, handed him a magical suit. Its something so sad bc it fits perfectly on the whole "character hallucinate everything you see in the story"

Something @thr0wnawayy mentioned about Izuku's delusion stuck with me bc...it makes sense.

Not sure why I'm talking about shoto. You could argue many characters didn't change or got worse.

Ochako now is a superficial bitch. Even if hori makes Izuocha canon with kids and marriage ...he will still write Ochako being passive aggressive with Izu, people will joke the kids aren't his - cucko Izu was big and while decreased, it never stopped.

Class A1 is how a bunch of fake friends who only call Izu when they need something. Izu just accepts this is his life.

We read this manga expecting him to be a great hero...and we have this "happy ending" where it would be kinder if Izuku had died along side Shig.

That...makes me think. A lot.

Tô any novice writers reading this...you can fall in love with a character, you can fall out of love with a character but be professional. Think of the story and...don't be a Hori.

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Sure the family situation is complex and Enji didn't completely start as an abuser but are you delulu you and @erasurecloud both can't even get the timelines correct y'all be bitching saying "Enji was traumatised by watching his son die that's why he neglected Natsuo and Fuyumi, lashed out at Rei and pushed Shouto harder" all while ignoring that Rei was hospitalised before Touya "died" so Enji was already being abusive and lashing out, acting like Enji wasn't abusive towards all his kids, Shouto got the worse but he was still abusive towards the eldest 3 because neglect is abuse and yes I'm including Touya in this. Plus Rei was a victim, like sure don't make up for burning Shouto but your putting blame on her fuck man she was a victim!

Oh my god my first angry anon and first anon in general 😳:

Kinda excited about this 😂🤣!

Honestly, I don’t know what post of my or interaction between me and Erasure has caused this, but frankly I find it beyond hilarious 😆! If it’s about the recent ask they just answered from me(or even my reblog in response to their answer) you will see so many things that contradict you!

Firstly, I literally stated that I do think Enji was an abusive/bad parent towards his kids, I have never denied that at all. In fact I also stated in my reblog that I do feel differently to Erasure in concern with Touya - and that’s basically that yes I do feel he was neglectful(which is a form of abuse) with Touya, and therefore a bit abusive(eventually not from the start). The only thing I have stated is that it was complex and complicated, and isn’t simply a bad abusive man there’s nuance to the situation. As well as acknowledged that Rei bares responsibility too, and being a victim doesn’t relinquish her of responsibility!

Secondly, I mean we’re not completely wrong 😑 Enji was clearly affected by Touya’s death, and that made him worse than he already was. But to answer your accusation of getting the wrong timeline, I have not gotten the timeline wrong I am well aware of the timeline. Rei hurts Shouto —> Rei gets sent away —> Touya burns on Sekoto peak. I even have panels to clarify - Fuyumi mentions the incident:

In 302, Rei talks about the incident and her hospitalisation:

And obviously we know from Shouto’s backstory, that Enji was pushing him much too hard for a child so young through that “training” at just 5yrs old because Rei was there trying to stop him. So, yes he was already spiralling into toxic/abusive behaviour(which I think stemmed from declining mental health, stress, trauma maybe even a bit of selfishness etc - no excuse but explanation), and Shouto was facing the brunt of it but that still doesn’t change the fact that he got even worse when Touya did pass away!

And lastly, Shouto got the worse sure but frankly I don’t like playing trauma/abuse/who suffered the worse Olympics, because at the end of the day they all suffered and it’s not a competition but also it is fictional so honestly don’t get so worked up over different opinions and interpretations. Plus make sure you are reading right 😅 because it’s baffling to see you accuse me of “acting like Enji wasn’t abusive” when I literally stated I saw him as such! Also no need to call peeps delulu!

Sorry @erasurecloud for getting you dragged into this ask, feel free to give your own opinion or thoughts if you want but honestly I couldn’t help myself 😅 my first ever ask I had too!

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Exactly, it was a complicated and complex situation, where both parents are at fault for the mistreatment and bare responsibility. That’s exactly it with Enji it was a spiral, he wasn’t an abuser from the start at all.

I want to mention that Rei was hospitalised before Touya “died”, so Enji was kind of already spiralling a little bit but yeah Touya’s death made him spiral even more for sure that cannot be denied! Ngl I do feel we’re a tiny bit on a different stance with his handling of Touya, because like I said he was neglectful to the 3 eldest children but again I feel it was complex and complicated and like you said it didn’t stem from him being cruel abusive but the abusive/neglectful behaviour stems from trauma and declination in mental health.

Tragic family for sure 100% undeniable truth there!

See I do agree with some of what was said but I can’t completely agree with the “just parents” anon, I definitely view them both as bad parents, Rei was neglectful(and slightly abusive given she scarred Sho) and Enji was both neglectful and abusive. He was mostly abusive towards Shouto, while he was neglectful towards the 3 eldest children. Horikoshi literally describes Enji as a terrible father!

I just think it’s more complex than simply Enji abusive Rei neglectful, it was obviously a situation that spiralled into an abusive household and even then Enji didn’t turn abusive because bad man evil man blah blah blah, no it was again 1) a spiral into the abusive man we saw and 2) it wasn’t because he came out thinking “I’m going to hurt my family real bad” it was a spiral, and unfortunately he just fell deeper into the abyss. So yes I do think Enji was a bad/abusive parent or no I think that of both of them, but it was more complex than people want to make it out to be and frankly I believe people need to realise that just because Enji spiralled into this abusive/neglectful man it doesn’t mean that he didn’t care or love his children he did - believe it or not but people can and do end up hurting their loved ones!

You make good points. It is a complicated situation and both Rei and Enji are at fault for how they mistreated their kids. But I feel like people fail to remember, Enji’s ‘abusive’ behavior came from his own mental decline and trauma. Of course, that doesn’t excuse what he did to his family- I’m not saying it does. All I’ve been saying is that it offers an explanation as to why he did the things he did and how he became the man he did.

If you look back at Touya’s childhood, Enji is in no way an abusive father towards him. He speaks to him. He tells him why the hero thing won’t work. He encourages him to seek other paths. That he doesn’t need to be a hero. Years of watching his son destroy himself for a fruitless dream will wear on any parent- then to literally watch your son burn to death? Of course Enji is deeply traumatized! And as a result he pushed Natsuo and Fuyumi away, lashed out at his wife, and pushed Shouto’s training much harder.

None of those things are acceptable behaviors. Obviously. But to say he was just inherently this incredibly abusive monster from the start when we have mountains of evidence to prove otherwise. It’s like, did you even read the story?

The Todoroki are a tragic family who each have their own traumas and ways of coping (or not coping) with them. To paint any one member as the ‘bad guy’ or the one who hurt the others is just inaccurate and (imo) shows a lack of reading comprehension 🙃

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The overall ending is ok, there were other things that I felt were left unanswered but yeah it was ok!

I don’t think I will ever be able to actually establish how I feel about the Todoroki’s ending 😭 I think I will probably stay forever perplexed and flip-floppy about it because there were things I liked but also things I didn’t! I do know though that I am definitely taking advantage of Touya’s endgame being he’s slowly dying to turning it around in my mind that he somehow manages to actually overcome that and heal(maybe Eri healed him or something idk he just ain’t dying). All so I can envision his relationship with his parents healing, and him forming a bond with Shouto!

Sorry I tend to ramble a lot 😅 my poor mother had to deal with me rambling her ear off when the chapter first released 😂🤣!

Yeah I really wanted that second chance for Touya too 😭 that was one of my biggest wishes given after Shouto he’s my next fav! I wanted for him to finally see that Enji is truly properly looking at him and for them to reform a father-son bond, to have the chance of his parents listening to him hearing him and getting to like you said see him like he wanted! I wanted him and Shouto to actually form a bond, I know they’re relationship or lack of one wasn’t ever positive but still I wanted them to slowly form a positive bond and to share a bowl of soba not just know that they like the favourite dish! His endgame killed me…..no kills me!

I do agree I think the open ending was not it, like yes I wouldn’t have minded some things being left open ended for the Todofam but not at open as it was! But it is what it is I guess 😭 but I will say with one thing about the ending being so open, and the only knowledge we have is Touya is marching to a slow death but no confirmation in the last chapter of the whole manga of his passing! I’m going to take that as my green light to make up my own Todofam ending where it doesn’t end this morbid!

Genuinely like. Most of the ending I’m fine with the only things I didn’t like were how the Todoroki’s ended and Deku’s stupid hero suit (but that’s another topic) overall I really did enjoy the ending and where everyone ended up.

Horikoshi just fumbled with the Todorokis and rushed the last few chapters🤷‍♀️

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Finished commission ✨

Natsuo is still stuck in Ending’s quirk, so the fam is looking after him. Save him. Art process below

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Ah thank you for the response 😌 I tried finding it in the Fuyumi tag but couldn’t find anything on it but it doesn’t matter! You have wrote a great response here!

Sorry if this bothers you but I was surfing the net and re-watching/re-reading the Endeavor agency arc, and I remembered people getting so angry at Fuyumi for giving Enji Shouto’s information and how that crossed a boundary. I do sort of see what they mean with Shouto being his victim and he the abuser so it’s kind of nasty to give a victims information to the abuser BUT at the same time regardless of how horrible he was as a father he’s the parental figure they in general are meant to have information, and like Fuyumi is hardly unforgivable for giving information. I just felt it was unreasonable to hate on her for that, and like I definitely do agree that it was rude of Enji to bombard Shouto with calls and messages but still Fuyumi didn’t deserve the hate! Do you have any thoughts on this whole situation? Or have you talked about this situation before?

I wrote about it, but can't find it back for the life of me. Maybe check the Fuyumi-tag.

But basically, I agree that the Fuyumi-hate over sharing Shouto's LINE contact (which I think is like a Snapchat handle / separate from the phone number, which Endeavor obviously already knew considering he's paying for the bill) was way blown out of proportion.

Endeavor was already calling Shouto - so it's not like he didn't get a way to bug Shouto before.

Also, if you look at the timeline, the Joint Training arc takes place 3 days after the Endeavor vs Hood battle - 2 of which, Endeavor was in the hospital in critical condition. So it was on one of those three hectic / traumatic days where Fuyumi gave the contact info to Enji. Sure, it's Shouto's privacy - but it's not like he couldn't make a new ID if he wanted to.

Also, for me that played more like a gag scene - for Endeavor's "Shoto-itis" and how Shouto was still in his petty-phase, where he was ghosting / ignoring his dad. The Licensing Arc established that it was not a valid strategy if Shouto wanted to become a hero. He needed to face his feelings about his father.

And the JTA confronted him with the fact that he was starting to fall behind Bakugou and Deku because he was not using his fire at its full potential.

So all these feelings pushed Shouto over to make the decision to go train with Endeavor and have faith in himself that he wouldn't lose sight of who he wants to be. That's what the phone-ghosting scenes are about, and the fact that Endeavor had to beg Fuyumi to give him Shouto's contact or that he was texting like a grandpa were comic relief around a really serious situation: which is Shouto's decision to put himself through flashfire training a second time, after how traumatic it was during his childhood.

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Different preferences and it’s anime it’s not too worth getting worked up about peeps silly preferences!

people are out here hating Endeavor but wanting to fuck "UwU baby Dabi" who literally loves burning people alive

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Hi 👋 I���m actually going to reveal myself to you know @erasurecloud to clear things up here!

When I sent this ask, I was not referring to his treatment of Touya at all, and in fact was actually talking about his treatment of Shouto! You know the 5yr old child he was pushing through intense training, that was far too aggressive for his child, and was leading to exhaustion and vomiting even before Touya passed!

That was whom I was referring to when I said he was on the beginning of being an abusive, toxic man already.

Which actually brings me to this @erasurecloud - “I think Enji obsessed over training Shouto and trained him so much more intensely than Touya because of Touya’s ‘death’.” Which isn’t completely the case, we know from the time line that Rei scarred Shouto - Rei gets sent away - Touya dies! We see from Shouto’s flashbacks that Enji was already pushing him in intense training sessions, before Touya even died so he didn’t have that trauma just yet or that worry so he clearly wasn’t invoked by Touya’s death there! Obviously I’m sure the already aggressive/intense training got even worse after Touya did die, but he was already pushing Shouto through that! He was already on the cusps of being a toxic, abusive man, that happened before Touya’s death he was on the cusp of it before that trauma came! @erasurecloud

"He went through 10 years of being a toxic, abusive, mean person. But that was a result of his own mental break and trauma. I mean, the man watched his own son die." yeah except he was beginning to be a toxic, abusive, mean person even before he got the trauma of his son dying.

Oh no big scary abusive man worrying for his son’s safety oh noooo abusive monster spending years trying to talk to his son and make him understand he has to stop burning himself oh no it’s ABUSE he’s an ABUSER he came out of the womb beating children he’s a MONSTER how dare he ever speak to a child

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todoroki yell

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I would like to personally thank Yuki Kaji for this line delivery

Hiro Shimono as Dabi gave the performance of the goddamn year, but don’t sleep on Shoto. 

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♕ Bow To The King ♕

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Enji's the only one who can get the vicious little dinosaur to sleep.

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IDK IF I’LL EVER SHUT UP ABOUT THIS, BUT Y’ALL KNOW HOW MUCH WE BKDKS HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS MOMENT! BONES DID SUCH A GREAT JOB AND ESP THE VOICE ACTORS ;;; THE TRANSITION, KATSUKI’S “Izuku” AND THE “I’m sorry for everything.” I JUST- ASDFGHJKL 

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“I’m sorry for everything…”