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LOVE AND PEACE FOR IT/ITS PRONOUNS

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have ur fill of fill

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it's Fill hours

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Of course it goes without saying that I am hopelessly dependent on the ingot

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an early twenties girl asked if she could vape in my car and i said no and she was like 'wow.. thank you for communicating and being honest...'

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i had to edit it

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So kinda curious, not sure if YOU were the one I saw an answer to this or if it was someone else, but do you think Bill could be redeemed? Like in canon or if you think it's one of those "he could be, but canon would never" sort of situations. Similarly, is Billford something you'd want to be like, endgame canon? Where they do end up together in the end, or is it a ship you prefer to keep fanon/as is now with them apart? I personally have a hard time seeing redemption, and maybe it's in part because most redeemed Bill stuff is a "this is how he and Ford get together and it's happy" thing, which I personally don't jive with (personally don't really care about Billford. But I like it when it's one-sided for Bill/very toxic. Just wouldn't say I ship the two. But I also don't really ship Ford in general, so there IS that). Same note is if you like the toxic parts of the Billford ship or if you'd like them to just be fluffy. No judgment either way, obvi. Sorry for the bombardment of questions. Just curious since I quite honestly don't 100% understand the appeal of enemies-to-lovers stuff sometimes and like to pick other people's brains about it occasionally :3

Regarding the question of redemption-- the issue here is actually with the concept of redemption itself and what that word means both in terms of narratives and psychology. i could say more on this, but honestly you should redirect any questions on that topic to @tempusedax-rerum because this shits their whole thing. and read TiBaP while you're at it

I am interested in them as endgame, though I don't give a shit about canon. I hope we never get more gravity falls content, I think the story's been told and anything more would just make a mess of fandom discourse. I don't enjoy being interrupted while i'm over here playing dolls! It's just really fucking funny to me for them to get back together and comedy is king

the main appeal of billford to me, and the appeal of enemies-to-lovers in general, is the fact that they're mutually obsessed with each other. kind of a "love him or hate him, he's still the only thing you think about" type of situation. I think they are simultaneously great for each other and terrible for each other. they're both awful people in general. they are both extremely mentally ill in ways that mean they will keep causing problems forever, regardless of how much "better" they may get. and as someone who is mentally ill, to be honest, I'm also really personally invested in seeing how two people who are just awful and miserable and who hurt each other on purpose can make a relationship work. there's a lot to be explored there that honestly very rarely gets touched on! to go into any more detail on all of this would require citing a million and one analysis posts and fics that you can simply find in my tags if you care that much lol

to answer the big question simply and in my own way despite redirecting you: I do not want bill to be redeemed, I want him to be happy, which is something very different

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one thing i've noticed since being in the gf fandom is there seems to be some kind of implied line separating fiddleford/ford as a "good" ship and all other ford ships as being "bad" ships. by this of course i mean some implication that the "bad" ships are abusive or problematic in some way, while fiddleford/ford is the more wholesome alternative.

in terms of tension and drama, i've seen mostly things like how bill messed with them, the fallout from fiddleford's trip through the portal, fiddleford's affair, the ending of their partnership, their reunion after ford comes home and sees what fiddleford has done to himself.

but what i've seen scant of is fallout from fiddleford using the memory gun on ford.

in TBOB, bill focuses most of his energies on using physical abuse, manipulation, humiliation, and fear to torment ford. but at the end of it, his great big show of force, his biggest threat, is to delete ford's memories:

what does this imply about either the rules of the show or of ford's own feelings? is the messaging we're meant to get from this that, compared to physical and emotional abuse, the rules of the GF universe state that losing your memories, your identity, yourself is worse? or did bill make this the ace up his sleeve because ford thinks it's worse?

and why would ford think it's worse?

and what's so striking to me about this is that, despite all the bad bill does to ford, despite the fact bill invented an entirely new form of domestic violence specifically to get ford to listen to him, bill did not follow through on the threat. but fiddleford did.

so much of ford's life has been characterized by loss of autonomy and loss of choice: stan kept him from WCT, filbrick got rid of stan, bill chose the direction of his research, stan pushed him through the portal, bill created the environment for ford and stan to reunite. and needless to say, of course, all of bill's non-consensual possession of him for countless weeks, to the point ford had to begin to self-harm just to keep him at bay.

and now ford has to contend with knowing that his life, his story, his personhood aren't his either? his vision of the world and himself has been molded by what bill and fiddleford needed him to be in order to serve their goals.

i'm not trying to say fiddleford is as bad as bill, not even close. but i do want to (heh) muse on how i've noticed fiddleford/ford gets this rose tint placed over it.

it can be argued that fiddleford erased ford's mind because fiddleford thought it was for the best, that he truly had good intentions. just look at how the society of the blind eye talk about their work in the show!

but bill also had "good intentions." he and the henchmaniacs were all going to not only die but be wiped out of existence. it can be argued the abuse he inflicted on ford was self-defense!

intention over outcome, i suppose.

the central theme is the same: both of them were another in a long line of people violating ford's autonomy, making decisions for him, taking away pieces of his life.

and, well, bill only threatened it, didn't he?

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hgggghh rotating in my head my favorite bill mystery again which is: why did he not just brainwash ford into opening the portal? why did he not just remove the metal plate and get the equation? well the easy answer is its a kids show and the plot wouldn't happen if bill did that

but when we ignore that, we're left with a villain who's whole thing is manipulation and excessive force..

not doing those things.

why? it would be so easy for him to just get everything he wants. with anyone but ford he wpuld just take, so why not? it has to be because it matters that ford chooses. bills lived a trillion years justifying why he destroyed his home and he meets the one guy in all of existence who agrees with him and vindicates him in every other regard. if this guy is down with destroying his own home, that means bill was correct to do it himself all those years ago. if ford doesn't choose these things, then he's disagreeing with Bill, which ford can't ever do because that would mean bill did in fact do something wrong that he has to come to terms with and he doesn't want to. even if he tortures ford, at some point ford has to make the choice to give bill what he wants. even if it's coercion, ford is still making a choice with knowledge of all the pieces on the board

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It's crazy to me that there was one person overtly lying to Ford and literally erasing his memories to cover up those lies and that it wasn't the demon manipulating him into building a doomsday device

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bill threatened all of those things, yes, but none of what he did to fords mind was permanent. everything he does here is immediately undone. meanwhile, the damage from the memory gun is permanent. what I meant was that bill values the physical health and safety of fords brain and fords ability to make informed decisions more than fiddleford does, nothing more. this says nothing for whether or not bill values fords emotional wellbeing

It's crazy to me that there was one person overtly lying to Ford and literally erasing his memories to cover up those lies and that it wasn't the demon manipulating him into building a doomsday device

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sorry for fucking up our conversation i had never had that one before

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It's crazy to me that there was one person overtly lying to Ford and literally erasing his memories to cover up those lies and that it wasn't the demon manipulating him into building a doomsday device

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close to you.

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i think about this panel every fucking day