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sisters 👯‍♀️

old Chloe design + Zoe

one grew up with cameras in her face, the other ran away from them after the media found out who’s daughter she is.

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I’ve had an akuma idea. Hear me out, but a Slay the Princess style akuma for Audrey but she’s like The Tower.

The chain itself is an amok Nathalie had to make because Audrey became too out of control. Then they needed a way to contain her.

Nathalie’s annoyed she’s wasted an amok. Gabriel’s in agony with a headache because Audrey’s anger is too much for him and he can’t release the akuma. Most of the heroes have been thrown into stone walls and half way across Paris. Andre’s terrified that Audrey’s trying to eliminate everyone in Paris apart from him. And Chloe’s baffled because she left to deal with a demon and now she has to use the bee miraculous to fight her mother.

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07/2022

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You know another thing I find funny about Astruc is his ability to say something on twitter but in the show his portrayal compared to his words there are different e.g Talk about how much Chloe refuses to change but refuse to write a redemption arc for her.

Say that Chloe isn't an abuse victim but meanwhile have her mother be someone that forgets her name and insults her, even them getting together to bond was because someone else had to tell her mother she was mean like her.

Complain about how fans like Chloe more than Sabrina but until after evillustrator he didn't try and focus on Sabrina in any way Antibug for example was focusing on her and Chloe it wasn't until late S5 when he wanted to redeem Sabrina that he focused on her.

Shut down fans as sexist for them wanting Adrien have more focus but meanwhile in the show establish them as partners ooh also let Adrien's arc be about breaking away from his abusive father.

Talk about how much Marinette is the protagonist of the show but in the show himself he doesn't let her get anything done by herself e.g Her defeating Lila was because Sabrina told her of Lila's plan or her knowing Gabriel's identity was because of Felix and Kagami.

Like if you're going to establish something about this characters at least let the audience see it in your show.

TA is so full of contradictions and hypocrisies it's kinda sad to watch sometimes (but also kinda entertaining).

Especially with the Chloe thing. TA keeps talking about her being irredeemable like she's a real person or a character written by someone else, instead HE chose to make her irredeemable, but then failed to write her like that.

But I guess attempting literal genocide (Felix) and being a literal terrorist (Gabriel) makes you more redeemable than a *checks notes* 14 year old high school bully (I know they tried to have her do worse things, but even then she's still not as bad as Felix or Gabriel and TA has always had this attitude with Chloe).

(Even with the argument "but they didn't actually redeem Gabriel" we still have Betterfly from the alternate universe. While they kept Chloe a bully in that universe, because she's apparently so "irredeemably evil" she's not allowed to be nice in any universe, but they're still able to visualize the terrorist as a good person...)

Ladybug and Chat Noir used to be partners, sure it was never a 50/50 split, but I never expected it to be. Especially narratively speaking I understand why Ladybug is the protagonist and Chat Noir the deuteragonist, it's just that ML always struggled respecting him as a deuteragonist and with every passing season their "partnership" became worse and worse, and in s6 it feels dead.

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Tho, after S5, so basicly so far in S6, funny thing, but Chloé actually kinda... Nice?😅

I mean, she had 2 apparance; in Daddycop, yes, she badmouthed Sabrina a bit, tho, she did not said her name, and considering she betrayed her - even if in fact Chloé was in the wrong- it's understandable she dislikes her... Otherwhise she praised London, kinda was nice... And in Climatiqueen she also was generous... I mean, oke, she excluded everybody outside of thr Bee community, but I mean, content creator making exclusive event to their community is not unheared of, far from it, and otherwhise she offered annopportunity to fulfill any wish, even extreme ones... And she did not inspired mean behavior so....

I think she is portrayed as mean, but if someone starts it from S6.... She is actually not that bad😅

Yeah, I guess we’ll have to see what season 6 decides to do with her. I’m kinda curious honestly.

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baby lesbians 🤲

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Will Chloe and the Bourgeois family appear in upcoming chapters? If yes, would they be different from the cannon series? (Like, if Audrey and André are still a toxic couple that neglects their daughter by spoiling her instead of spending real quality time with her, or if Chloe is just as insufferable in Canon or if she gets the redemption arc she deserves and Zoey gets a real practical role in the plot?)

Chloe will appear soon in an issue as Queen Bee, but the majority of any focus on the Bourgeois will likely be in a much later arc that takes place while Chloe is ruling over Paris. While we have a ton of info on them for people look through, barely any of it is plot-relevant so it won't show up in the comic.

You can find all of the info you're probably looking for by scrolling through the #andre bourgeois and #audrey bourgeois tags on sillysiluriforme's blog. I'd recommend looking through! But in short, yes Audrey and Andre are exactly the same, Chloe is just as insufferable in canon and does not "redeemed" (but rather is just, like, humanized a little), and Zoe does not get a real practical role in the plot because Zoe just does not show up at all!

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You know, I kind of don’t blame those who do excuse Chloe Bourgeois’s actions by saying, “Anyone with her upbringing would have acted the way she did.” The show certainly does a poor job at convincing us otherwise. The show could have presented a convincing argument against those who make excuses by showing a parallel universe version of Chloe with the same exact backstory as the original Chloe yet still chose to be good. Instead, Astruc alienates viewers who might otherwise have agreed with him by giving us stupid examples like Mylene’s comment and Zoe.

I don't want to wade into the weeds on this again.

It's a kids show. Show kids how to improve, no matter where they start from.

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Sabrina is a hound because she served Chloe, she literally learned to be cunning and achieve because it was for the benefit of her beloved Chloe. I like to think of the Chlobrines as friends after all, as a team, they both handle the whole duet. And yet, they have their issues and moments of drama, yeah, of course. But Sabrina is literally Chat Noir to Lady Chloe, while this diva shines, Sabrina cleans up everything, preparing the way for her, cleaning up the consequences. Isn't that a hot dynamic?

And Sabrina is not a yandere, she is a sweet girl with insecurities, which is why she built her personality around Chloe. She is not intentionally evil, she is not crazy and not obsessive, and yet she is way too attached to her queen. I want Chloe to spoil her more when she starts to accept her feelings. Chloe is just as bad at expressing affection as Sabrina, they both match up perfectly with their issues in terms of giving and receiving, but since they can both change, I want tsundere Chloe, who goes dere in front of her loyal assistant, friend, and loved one. Sabrina is a bloodhound and a hound because she is loyal to her lady of the heart.

They would fit perfectly into the "old married" trope. A duet of two quite balanced personalities. Chloe is also insecure and vulnerable, and Sabrina can also show character. They would have opened up so much if they had interacted further, until the wedding, the best of the best, because it's Chloe.

The Lady of Heart not only expects feats in her name, she also patronizes and gives hope. Maybe such a strange sweet Sabrina would be one of the few people who would reach Chloe's heart. She was there with her all this time.

If they grow out of their unbalanced early teenage friendship, they would be a banger. They're so stupid because they're so young, thirteen is definitely not the time for better behavior and better decisions, but if they'd gone through this together, they'd-

They would have given each other the warmth they needed in their roles so well - a rich girl spoiling a simple girl who is one of the few who can calm her down and support her. Fire and gold, the hound and the queen.

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a few more redesign icons plus self indulgent designs of my oc with other miraculous

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I’m writing up a snippet of how Chloe sees Andre for generally nearly all of my au’s. Of course I’m trying to make it as depressing and sad as possible.

Ahh….the joys (I mean horrors) of overhearing conversations you shouldn’t about your parents health. And realising as you get older that one day your parents will die. They’re not going to be there forever.

Chloe’s going to have a hell of a time coming to face those harsh truths.

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How would you handle the idea of a Miraculous Civil War?

 imagine it’s probably similar to how most other fans would have done it.

Adrien finds out his father is the supervillain he’s been fighting all along and switches sides because it’s for his mom. Probably at the second season climax since it’s such a central point before things really started going downhill. He publicly turns against Ladybug even though he still loves her because she’s his crush, but this is his family and he’s left in a very difficult position. And while she does manage to deal with the latest attack and save the city, she loses her partner and is left unaware of his or Hawk Moth’s identities.

This results in a season three where the two are enemies and the fallout of that. On the plus side, Chameleon doesn’t happen. On the downside, Chat starts working with akumas to take her Miraculous. 

So Ladybug is trying to make up for the sudden change by enlisting temporary heroes—since being on her own REQUIRES her to get extra help.

Meanwhile, Fu is left in a precarious position. He doesn’t know why Adrien suddenly switched sides, but since Adrien knows who he is as the guardian, he can’t risk letting himself be found. This lights a fire under his butt and he goes underground in order to try and figure out Hawk Moth’s identity. And since he is no longer safe, he leaves the Miracle Box and Grimoire with Marinette while he plays spy.

Given the stress of the change situation and confusion over her partner‘s betrayal, Marina is less focused on her crush on Adrien. Adrien meanwhile stuck helping creating akumas and harming his friends, and feels super guilty about it, but is just trying to convince himself that everything will be fixed once they make the wish and bring back his mom.

This results in more lovesquare scenes this season: Chat finds himself hanging out with an opening up to Marinette. Adrien is putting himself in danger in order to get closer to Ladybug while fighting his own crush on her. Ladybug and Chat clashing and him fighting between his love for her and his loyalty to his family, which sometimes causes him to impede his dad and their “allies in their efforts to steal her Miraculous. And some growth in Adrinette as they start to hang out more as friends where she isn’t focused on confessing to him, and he has more poor personality than a wet doormat.

Things aren’t helped in that Chat gets super jealous over Ladybug calling on other heroes, even if she is only doing it because he left her and joined the villain.

And things are made substantially worse when Lila still manages to worm her way into the Agreste household and in a twisted set up of “who is manipulating whom”, Lila and Gabriel are each playing each other and know that the other is trying to use them so they’re both trying to outgambit each other. Lila manages to get a modeling contract with Gabriel much like Canon. She also really pushes things with Adrien and become his “modeling partner“ as she really tries to amp up the “dating“ aspect—another thing that somehow gets him and Marinette closer as he hates it. 

Lila thinks she’s come out ahead when she  finally manages to get a Miraculous of her own. Unfortunately for her, this was part of Gabriel’s plan as the Miraculous in question is the still broken Peacock, which slowly weakens her over time.

But as one rival falls, another must rise, so yes, Chloe gets a redemption arc. 

While Lila is getting more famous and closer to Adrien, Chloe turns her focus to targeting her with mixed results. She and Adrien also butt heads more and the hypocrisy is even pointed out to her. She start to realize something is up, but naturally no one believes her because of her own checkered past. Especially if Lila targets Chloe instead of Marinette in her expulsion plan. I would probably bring in my previous idea regarding Zoe at this time—Chloe having a sister who faked being nice and kept getting Chloe in trouble but no one else would see it or believe her. This leads to a sort of coming to terms with Marinette and the two gain some understanding of each other as Marinette is one of the only ones who knows Lila is lying.

Things are helped by Ladybug still believing in Chloe as well. Since Hawk Moth knows she was Queen Bee, Ladybug knows he will no doubt be keeping an eye on her and decides to use this to set a trap. With Ladybug’s “refusal” to give her the Bee again, Chat approaches her about “joining the winning side” with the assurance that Hawk Moth would give her the Bee once he gets all the Miraculous if she agrees to help him. What they don’t know is that Chloe is secretly part of Ladybug’s team and Alya as Rena and Marinette as Multimouse have been keeping an eye on her in case Hawk Moth or Chat try to go after her. So when Chat takes Chloe to meet Hawk Moth for the chance to become his greatest akuma, they follow.

This leads to the finale.

Haw Moth’s plan falls apart since Chloe was acting as a double agent and the heroes now know who he is. Chloe tries to talk Chat down and seems to be making headway before she’s attacked and forced to focus on the fight. Lila tries to attack Ladybug but the broken Peacock finally takes its toll and she collapses. Chat sees this and recognizes it and Lila’s symptoms as similar to what his mother had. Finding out that it was because of the broken Peacock and that his father knew and planned it leaves him horrified and unwilling to fight.

Ladybug goes on to fight Hawk Moth, using unify with the other Miraculous until she finally takes him down. He pulls a stunt and nearly akumatizes her, but Chat intervenes and gets affected instead.

Which is how we get Chat Blanc. As a season/series finale boss like he deserves. And he’s too angry and disgusted with Gabriel to listen to him. Cue a long needed and very much warranted beat down as Chat curbstomps Hawk Moth before the heroes intervene. Unfortunately, he’s upset enough to just destroy the world and be done with it.

Gabriel realizes how badly he’s messed up and gives Ladybug the Butterfly in hopes she can stop him. Fu helps out by guiding Marinette in what to do with the Butterfly to help.

Cue a battle of the heart situation where the other heroes are facing Chat Blanc physically while Butterfly!Ladybug is trying to reach him in his heart to take back the corruption from him and the butterfly to free him. Gabriel may or may not help out, if only as a distraction. Regardless, it works, and he’s free. Apologies all around and the captured butterflies all go free—flying through the window and out into the city in a very symbolic show to indicate that Hawk Moth’s reign of terror is over.

Granted, this would likely be an ending to the series, but I think it would be a less frustrating ending than what Canon is going to try to throw at us.

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I'll be uploading lots of sketches and my drawing process to my Discord server. I asked for suggestions for Marinette's outfit.

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You don't have to do it now, but perspnally I love concept art😁 so, yes... Also, I think many would be interested, tho, I only can speak for myshelf😅

There have been a couple of people asking, so here’s the mock up sketches for Origins Pt. 2 outfits. I don’t have Mylene’s because the first time I drew her outfit was in the comic itself.