#History of Conclaves

[deadpresidents]

Can you recommend any books on conclaves to elect popes?

Yes, I can!

•The Triple Crown: An Account of the Papal Conclaves from the Fifteenth Century to Modern Times (BOOK) by Valerie Pirie Even though this book was originally published in 1935 (the edition I have is the updated 1965 version), it is a great look at each of the conclaves from the election of Pope Callixtus III in 1455 to Pope Leo XIII in 1878. Unlike a lot of older books, the Triple Crown is a really easy read and one that you can breeze through while learning a lot about 400+ years of papal elections. And while I'm old-fashioned and need to actually have a physical copy of a book in order to read it, Pirie's entire book is actually available online to read for free at this website.

•Passing the Keys: Modern Cardinals, Conclaves, and the Election of the Next Pope (BOOK) by Francis A. Burkle-Young Originally published in 1999, Passing the Keys takes a look at more modern conclaves than The Triple Crown. In fact, Burkle-Young's book picks up where Pirie's book ends -- with short histories of the conclaves of 1878 (Pope Leo XIII), 1903 (Pope Pius X), 1914 (Pope Benedict XV), and 1922 (Pope Pius XI). Then the book takes an in-depth look at the conclaves of 1939 (Pope Pius XII), 1958 (Pope John XXIII), 1963 (Pope Paul VI), August 1978 (Pope John Paul I), and October 1978 (Pope John Paul II).

•The Popes of Avignon: A Century in Exile (BOOK) by Edwin Mullins, and Avignon and Its Papacy, 1309-1417: Popes, Institutions, and Society (BOOK | KINDLE) by Joëlle Rollo-Koster While not solely about conclaves, these two books are solid histories on the Avignon Papacy, a period during the Fourteenth Century when over a half-dozen Popes (all French) were elected in and ruled from France due to pressure and influence from various French monarchs.

•The Year of Three Popes (BOOK) by Peter Hebblethwaite A fascinating look at the two conclaves and three popes of 1978 by one of the great papal historians. Hebblethwaite covers the death of Pope Paul VI and conclave of August 1978, which resulted in the election of Albino Luciani as Pope John Paul I. And then, after just 33 days, the world was stunned by the sudden death of John Paul I, so the College of Cardinals had to return to Rome and hold yet another conclave, leading to the election in October 1978 of Karol Wojtyla of Poland as Pope John Paul II, the first non-Italian Pope in 455 years.

•The Making of the Popes 1978: The Politics of Intrigue in the Vatican (BOOK) and The Making of the Pope 2005 (BOOK) by Father Andrew M. Greeley In the same vein as Theodore White's classic Making of the President series, Catholic priest and historian Father Andrew M. Greeley wrote two richly-detailed accounts of modern conclaves. The Making of the Popes 1978 tells the story of the two conclaves in August and October 1978 following the deaths of Pope Paul VI and Pope John Paul I respectively. The Making of the Pope 2005 looks at the death of Pope John Paul II and the conclaves which elected Joseph Ratzinger as Pope Benedict XVI.

[afrosarah]

He's the least sequestered man on the planet. He's in crisis. He's a mean girl. He is God's weakest soldier. He's a 60 yr old man but he's giving failgirl eldest daughter energy. He manages. He's canonically bisexual. He's celibate. He was born in a wet cardboard box. He serves cunt. He has a certain sadness in his eyes you only see in Eastern European gay porn. He struggles to open a ziplock bag, and he DOES NOT WANT YOUR VOTE!

I didn't say a name, but he popped in your head, didn't he?

[wardensantoineandevka]

the new pope being a White Sox fan is how you know he's truly a man of faith, because the Sox aren't ever gonna win anything without divine intervention

[theawkwardvirgin]

Clarification on the “We had a pope who was in the Hitler Youth and fought with the Nazis”: Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI (pope before Francis), was 6 when the Nazis took power. At 14 he was forced into the Hitler Youth, but he refused to attend meetings even though it risked his ability to attend school. At 16 he was conscripted into the German military. Two years later, when he reached 18, he deserted.

To imply that his enrollment and conscription were voluntary is despicable and ignores the great personal risks he took in acting against the Nazis.

[roguekaiju]

He geniunely looks like a romance lead here he's so gorgeous in this scene

[papillon-de-porcelaine]

Cardinal Benitez save me,,,,, save me cardinal Benitez

[kavardakmaria]

CONCLAVE | PROFESSORS AU

— There was no need to put your elbow here. That’s an invasion of my personal space.

— The composition’s better this way.

— As if you know anything about photography.

— As if you know anything about common sense.

— Professors! Can you please look at the camera, we don’t have much time before your lecture.

Partially inspired by this fic by roypeloy and by the photo under the cut

[qqueenofhades]

I think we need to bring whatever the hell was going on at 17th-century conclaves back. Who's with me.

[uispeccoll]

Charles M. Hagin, former researcher at the University of Iowa, described this "Strang Pope Book" in our collection as a "reader's digest of divinely inspired prophecies."

It was written around 1582-1585, and it's full of papal seals and illustrations of popes in prophetic visions. These prophecies use lots of symbolism in the images; one depicts a pope as a dragon on fire with a weasel swallowing a sword for a tail. The exact meaning of this is not explicit, but it's probably safe to assume that it wasn't very good; the caption reads "Terribilies es et quis resistet tibi," which Hagin translated as: "You are terrible and who will resist you?" That's not really an idea that readers would like to associate with a pope!

Find out more about this wonderful book by reading more of Charles Hagin's work in xMMs.Misc2 research material.

--Joy C.

[deadpresidents]

"In the fourth vote, the ballots overwhelmingly shifted" to Cardinal Prevost, Cardinal You of South Korea said.

Cardinal Müller sat behind the American front-runner in the Sistine Chapel and noticed that he seemed calm. Cardinal Tagle, who sat next to Cardinal Prevost, noticed him taking deep breaths as votes amassed in his favor.

"I asked him, 'Do you want a candy?' and he said, 'Yes'," Cardinal Tagle said.

During one of the votes, Cardinal Tobin, as he held his ballot high and put it in the urn, turned and saw Cardinal Prevost, whom he had known for about 30 years.

"I took a look at Bob," Cardinal Tobin said, "and he had his head in his hands."

-- A fascinating inside-the-Sistine-Chapel look at the Conclave that elected Cardinal Robert Prevost as Pope Leo XIV, via the New York Times.

I love the image of one Cardinal offering candy to another Cardinal who is trying not to hyperventilate because he realizes he's about to be elected Pope.

[the-ancient-comedy]

In the books, Jaime Cardinal Sin was the one who ordained Benítez. And as a Filipino Catholic myself, even if he died before I was even born, I could say that this man was a legend. He's a revolutionary.

He is still popular to this day.

And that mirrors Benítez' work in Manila to Baghdad so much. I'm gonna cry.

[gwydpolls]

Time Travel Question 81: Miscellaneous IV

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Please add new suggestions below if you have them for future consideration.

[seminarydropout]

Idk if the conclave fandom would like more religious and theological education. But if y’all would like to see more of that kind of content let me know? I’m down to use my educational background anytime.

I literally cannot stop thinking about the female mystics of the Middle Ages and I think Vincent would find a lot of comfort in their work - especially Julian of Norwich’s reflection on Christ as Our Mother and Source of All Life.

[howisthepope]

if you haven’t already seen it i highly recommend tasting history with max miller’s video about the conclave. he makes conclave ribs.

i want to make conclave ribs

I haven't seen but I am totally intrigued. Will watch it sometime!

[thaern]

honestly so refreshing to see someone also interested in latin american history and politics in the conclave fandom!!!! i feel like people overlook how politically #awful mexico was during the 60s-90s, between the guerra sucia, the violence against student protesters, the government-led massacres, and the severe recession and poverty in the 90s. plus the presence of liberation theology and radical indigenous groups!!!!!! benítez was always going to be a radical and it's nice to know someone else sees that :]

Yes! I'm latina and I have been studying the history of LATAM in the context of philosophy and as you may well know, you can't talk about an specific thinking without the historical context behind.

I have invested specifically in migration mostly bc my country is a bridge between South and North America so I detailed mostly in the context of political, religion and social perspective AND YES everything connect to one point, as I tried to show how dirty are some positions (political I mean) obviously I have to go back to context of the civil war here in the 80s, the strike of students, workers and of course the killing of thinking (and of course lives) of our indigenous groups.

So yes, when I see Vincent, specific the movie Vincent being a Latino who grow in the context of a LATAM where there were more conflicts being social or politic is almost out of character not thinking he wouldn't make an opinion of it, special if he later gets to live in dangerous places whose actual state of living is directly caused by a political thing.

So when Tedesco makes his speech and Vincent talks I don't think he does simply for defending his faith but to tried to show that this meaningless fight the curia has in his hands is NOTHING, they have grow acoustom to their privilege that they don't see beyond Rome and blame something they didn't even tried to understand, is just too much.

I can tried to explain so much, how the theory of liberation can be explain in Vincent, how he won't feel completely in his new position thanks to his political and social views, how his history is easy ignore for those who don't entirely understand the reality of our history, etc, but yes

Is good to see that someone else see this and Vincent as a revolutionary between his position as member of the church allowed him

[laniidae-passerine]

it would be crazy to be a Vatican historian/reporter and live through the events of Conclave 2024. You’ve spent years studying the inner workings of the Vatican, tracing infighting and feuding via press releases, calculating the support for each Cardinal with both the public and their peers. You’re about 75% sure, depending on how conservative you believe the Church is leaning, that the result will be a man who is largely popular bar the contentious issue of his homophobia, a firmly progressive New Yorker or the face of traditional Latin liturgical values. There’s also a chance that a Canadian may sweep in and clear up all the votes if the two sides of the Church grow increasingly divided and choose the most centrist option to get it all over and done with. You wait patiently, wondering if any news is being fed to them that might change the minds of Cardinals, such as the terror attacks you may have even been present for. Finally, on the third day, white smoke spools out of that chimney and you’re ready with dossiers of information at hand to publish the first article explaining exactly who the new Pope is and his personal history. And then when someone steps onto the balcony, it’s literally some guy you’ve never even heard of before and not only is some random Pope, one of his first acts is to fire a guy you thought might get the job. what the actual fuck would people think was going on.