#also any theories on no timeline?

[stuffedsand]

milgrammies how we feeling. no mappi bday timeline. missing prisoners. hows it doing

[endiness]

as someone who thinks that peter's nurse always came off as extremely sus and that she always had some kind of hidden agenda going on and headcanons that she alone was the one that actually lured laura back to beacon hills so that peter could kill her while in a feral state and become the alpha, i have to say, i think it'd make so much more sense if the mind meredith read to come up with the dead pool was actually peter's nurse instead of peter.

and this would fit with the timeline too? like, meredith was admitted to the same hospital as peter in mid-ish december of '09 and she was there — still psychically active — for weeks, if not months, which would mean her stay there with peter (and his nurse) would've lasted until at least early 2010. and then it's less than a year before everything starts kicking off and s1 happens.

[r0semultiverse]

How Homestuck Beyond Canon Candy Timeline has/will have parallels with Homestuck proper around and during the events of [S] Game Over

Jane Crocker heavily aligned/influenced by with Crocker Corp. Notice how her neck accessory looks very similar to the Crocker computer tiara. There's also the circuits surrounding the button, which are reminiscent of Crockertier Jane's visual mind control effect by The Condesce.

Jane also kind of looks like The Condesce with how she's silhouetted here.

The head of Crocker Corporation on a large Crocker space ship. A ship which I would like to point out looks eerily similar to the ship that The Condesce flies around in except the forks/sporks are facing the opposite direction and it's got black on it instead of mostly red.

Jake dying at the hands of Crocker influenced Jane and coming back to life parallels with this Jane coming close to killing Jake, but stopping right before death. Same green text too.

The cast of characters surrounding this time in the comic are also similar.

We also got the whole Crocker laser beam of death being hinted at which we've absolutely seen before.

I talked about this in one of my previous theories, Jake is getting a better grasp of his hope powers; so, I think we could see another hope explosion again in some capacity out of Jake's concern for Tavvy.

I could also totally see Jake being held hostage by one of the Crocker Clones A.K.A. the Brig Boys and Kanaya cutting them up with her chainsaw (hopefully avoiding Jake).

This is more of a little side detail, but Vriska is once again on the sidelines while this massive important fight takes place because she's trapped in her own personal Hell this time.

CHARACTER DEATH FLAGS - I don't know how to organize this post and there was a lot more potential evidence to this than I thought there was going into it.

Let me preface this with the fact that the existential split between Meat and Candy sometimes seems to try to course correct itself and much like certain peoples DNIs, it doesn't want any doubles. We see this with Dirk, Dave (he died even if he ascended to ultimate self afterwards), June/J/John, Terezi(seemingly), Meenah (her other self is in the black hole with Lord English so we can't necessarily confirm death but yknow), Aradia (is just Aradia), Gamzee, Calliope (that is a whole complex situation), and Rose (if her future sight is correct, but we'll get to that). Those are the only examples I can think of at this time, but it's absolutely a repeating pattern of the universe sort of course-correcting to have only one of each of our main characters exist at a time. This, at least in the cases of Dirk, Dave, & Rose seems to be related to the ascension to ultimate self, but we can't really say if that's why the other characters only get one existence at this time.

Karkat has has at least 2 deaths from around this time, one involving Crockertier Jane as well which could be a sign of things to come.

Rose's death flag is that she has literally foreseen her death in her future sight. She is thinking about Kanaya and Roxy in the same thought process while seeing her own death, feeling full of regret (even though she's trying to repress her own feelings) about her relationship to Roxy and Kanaya. Very similar to her being regretful as she was dying in Roxy's arms. I'm also guessing the bullet that hits her will be from Jake's gun, just throwing that out as a possibility.

ROSE: What... ROSE: Happened to me? ROXY: the witch got u ROXY: with her fork ROXY: but youre gonna be ok ROSE: Oh. ROSE: That's nice. ROSE: *Cough.* ROXY: maybe you uh ROXY: shouldnt try to talk now ROSE: You saved me, didn't you? ROXY: ... ROSE: Thanks. ROSE: But, ROSE: She's gone, isn't she. ROSE: For good, I mean. ROXY: ? ROSE: I saw her die. ROSE: And. ROSE: It's a shame how... ROSE: *Cough.* ROSE: A shame that I never even... ROSE: Got to tell her... ROSE: I loved her. ROXY: who?

ROSE: Kanaya. ROSE: But... ROSE: You too, mom.

Kanaya also has a death flag here in getting hit by The Condesce's laser beam of death, but it's more of a maybe given that we see Rose's future vision of Kanaya holding her body in her arms. Keep in mind though we also had this bit of dialogue about the reliability of future sight right before we saw that vision.

JADE: dont forget im more than a little versed in future sight myself ok JADE: i dont care how credible it seems, you cant depend on that information!

Jake and Jane are also on the chopping block potentially, but I can't think of a way at this time, unless Kanaya mistakes Jake for one of the clones amidst her rage and ends up cutting through him along with the Crocker clones. The one pictured below was done by Aranea who is out of the story. Maybe Meenah's trident hits Jake somehow or something, I don't know. We also have meat Jake and Jane who are doing more okay.

On top of the parallels to the doomed timeline that was [S] Game Over, we also had Vriska say that this reality was fake and didn't matter. I'm paraphrasing and I don't know if we'll get a doomed timeline situation yet with the 4 kids still in it, but I just thought the amount of parallels was interesting & worth pointing out.

I also wanted to get this out before the next update in case it's related to the flash animation and any of my predictions come true.

Alternatively I think the flash animation will be Ultimate Dirk kick starting his SBURB home brew session on Deltritus. He probably has all the tech and narrative powers to do it based on what we've seen, they just need a species they'll both be satisfied with as the players for the session.

[nadiajustbe]

Another interesting meta I think it would be interesting to talk (or rather focus on, since I mentioned it briefly) about from the worldbuilding in Bartseq, is how Bartimaeus — and other spirits, at least by some extent — are out of perception of human understanding of aging.

It's not that they don't have a canon age, they do — Bartimaeus is about 5015 by then end of the Trilogy and Faquarl, who is canonically 5 years older than him, is about 5020. In human understanding, they are ancient.

However, our brain cannot understand how someone who is five thousand years of age would act, since no human would ever be than old. Therefore, as I touched upon the subject here, all of the fantasy authors treat the supernatural ages as, well, a fantasy element, as they still have to "sort" the character into some actual human age — a child, a teen, a young adult, an adult. That is usually determined by the character's permanent human look (e.g what age they look like), accompanied by their behaviour or mental state, generally the way they act that is also constant at all times. It is, in fact, a really popular trope to have an immortal character to be a kid/teen in a YA story, as to make a character more relatable to the target audience (Twilight is, ironically, the first thing that came to my mind, but there's way more). And, on the contrary, adult books/fiction authors' in general tend to make their immortal character look and act around 20-30 for a similar reason (see: a huge percentage of modern romatasy books)

Bartimaeus of Uruk is...way more complicated than any of that. Don't get me wrong, his age tracks, you can tell he's been here and seen stuff, as he oftenly reminds to the reader, you can see that he gains new experience and knowledge and well, trauma. In the understanding of a "mental human age", however, I tend to think he doesn't really have one.

He's not a human child, for sure, but calling him a human adult, would be just as wrong, the same way he's nor a woman nor a man, nor a human nor an animal, nor a blonde nor a brunette. All of these are human boxes, which spirits can never fully aling themselves with, since they were never humans in the first place. Stroud compared being dragged out of the OP to being born (and that's a valid comparacement, although I think newly summoned spirit picks up everything a thousand times faster then a newborn, as Bart was already flying around and stealing stuff for the Sumerians at his first summons), but that's where the comparison between us and then ends — to be a human adult you have to be a human child, and to be a human child you have to be a human. A lot of modern fantasy tend to ignore that fact and just put character in a box of a human age, but JS is way smarter than that.

Bartimaeus doesn't have a constant human appearance. He tends to be a kid (out of grief and memory, since that's a very specific kid), or young adult before that kid was there, but in general there's no human appearance he fully matches his behaviour with. He sees his forms as separate from him, oftenly even describing them as an outside observer — "the crow flee", "the boy smiled" while describing his own movement in 1st person. Same with his behaviour, a reader can stick them more to one age or another depending on their personal interpretation and even their own age, yet he doesn't really try to act like a human kid, or a human teen, or a human adult, unless the cover requires though. He can be a terrifying all-knowing scary entity in one scene, then go and complain about not being able to wear a pilot glasses to the plane, all while exchanging jokes and prickly comments with a fourteen year old.

What I mean by that, is that we don't know the way spirits are maturing or even If there's a concept of "maturity" within their own species, and therefore it would be way less interesting to just put Bart in a role of a "grown man" or just envision him as a young boy Ptoemy was. Narratively, he's all of that and also an ancient entity, just all spirits are. The amount of human!Barts of different ages I've seen in fanfiction and how none of them seem OOC no matter what age you pick! It's such a wonderful place for the game of imagination, and a full mastery of making a character so truly inhuman there's nothing about him that checks the usual "human" or even "fictional immortal-is-actually-twenty" boxes.

And it's such an interesting concept to explore.

[vigilskept]

theory: poe was meant to die in that crash for real but then oscar isaac got on set and everyone fell in love with him so they decided to just have him survive

[nenoname]

me: oh i totally get it if some folks dont jive with same coin theory, plus it's strange to conceptualise at first--

me when i see people call it lame:

[marsbotz]

DAMN its insanee even after so long… undertales story is still fucking crazyyyy

[daily-linkclick]

daily link click: 8/22/23

yellow!LG, reverse au

[fortune-maiden]

The more I think of what Bridon has implied about the original timeline, the more I feel like Lu Guang was not being anxious enough actually xD

[what-have-i-unleashed]

a question that's been rotating in my mind for a while now: is Murder the most determined in his world after the human?

like, if we take the scenario where he killed the player and made them quit, wouldn't he then have the highest determination and get the save/load system and resets?

i saw a few answers to similar questions on the official Dusttale blog, but those really firmly stated that only the player can reset and Murder would not get it after they quit. which is contradictory to the canon info we get from Undertale - the character with the highest DT can save and load. So it's not just the human, it's whoever the most determined at the moment. and it kind of creates a plot hole, because what was Flowey doing before the player then?

and personally i think it is fun to put Murder through Situations. so i'd like to bounce some ideas. could that attract Chara's attention? could Dusttale get a Something New route? how fucked would Murder find the fact, that now he's now literally the very thing he fought against for so long? would he play around with saves? would he never touch them?

*rubs my hands evilly* ah yes, theory time.... i love theory time :3

so first question: "is murder the most determined in his world after the human?" i'd say, going by canonicity, it's inconclusive. definitely something up to interpretation. it might be murder, or flowey - we don't know for sure.

now, getting to the meat of the issue... does murder have the ability to save/load? i think there's some mechanics there that might really complicate that issue lol.

first of all, i don't think that having the highest dt at the moment necessarily gives you the ability to save/load, which i would equate with having a save file in the game itself. we know that according to save file theory there are 10 save files, with file 0 belonging to chara/player and file 9 belonging to frisk. now, file 0 is empty, which suggests that chara never used it ever despite having the ability. file 1-6 belong to each fallen human. file 8 is flowey's. and file 7 is.... lemon bread's, which kinda confirms to me that having the highest dt at the time doesn't really mean you can have the save/load ability yourself. because else the other amalgamates before lemon bread would have their own save files too.

but it totally tracks that whoever has the highest dt will have the main overwrite over the main save file in the world. although, i would also say that having dt doesn't necessarily mean you can remember timelines, as evident by undying undyne. so, there's this somewhat disconnection between dt and save files itself, but still they're connected to some degrees. dt is marked as the ability to persist after death, not the ability to persist through timelines.

of course, whether murder possesses a save file on his own or not is, canonically speaking, not real. but you can make your own different interpretations on dusttale canon as you see pleased. the events leading up to murder gaining knowledge of timelines are also up to interpretation after all. it could be a multitude of things for all we know!

personally i don't subscribe to the idea that murder can save/load (but he can see them checkpoints, the freak). i like the idea that murder thinks he has a save file though, because that would add another layer of motivation for him to drive the player off the game entirely. if he killed flowey and chased the human away, then logically his would be the main save file in the universe.

however, i think there would still be that uncertainty over how the mechanics work actually, because what would be considered murder's "spawning"/"starting" point in the game? if it was the moment he killed the human... then oh boy good luck trying to bring back his old world. he's still gonna live in a universe where he killed a lot of people - maybe not all, but still a lot. i think he'd be too wary of experimenting with his save file in fear of making the human or flowey come back somehow - he'd stick with the basics at most, thank you.

[aurora-cycle]

since ted is never mentioned/acknowledged at all really in npmd (excluding the homeless man mention) and it's set in 2020, it's not unreasonable to assume that it takes place in a timeline where ted did the time travel shenanigans in 2019 and ended up in 2004.

[good-beanswrites]

hii hiii is it alright if I request something with kotoko and haruka?(platonic ofc) their character foils drive me insane with all the weak stuff authngghn icant be normal about them

Oooh thank you so much for the request! I realized that these two actually have one of the smallest windows to talk easily, given Haruka's nervousness and Kotoko's T2 changes. They have such interesting approaches to strength/weakness, and I hope I could capture it a bit here! This takes place immediately following Kotoko's bday timeline after Harrow's release:

“I’ll accept those birthday wishes…” Kotoko gave him a wave over her shoulder as she returned to making her bed.  

She shook her head in awe. It was rather impressive how quickly the boy had changed after his verdict. The others had more subtle differences, but he was someone entirely new. She could rest easy, at least, knowing that her verdict wouldn’t change her much. For as long as she could remember, she’d been like this. She knew where she stood, and neither guilty nor innocent verdict would affect that. This verdict was really only an indicator on whether the warden could be trusted or not. 

Her body tensed up when she turned back around, startled by Haruka lingering silently in the doorway. She decided against chastising him for scaring her half to death. Still, she couldn’t keep the bite from her voice as she asked, “did you need something else?”

“Ah… I just…” He twisted his hands together. “I had a question.” 

He fell silent, but Kotoko could tell he was chewing on his next words. She waited.

“H-how do you do it? All the time? You’re older and stronger and braver and I-I just don’t know how.”

“Give yourself some credit. I’m not that much older, or stronger. I only have, what -- two, three years on you? And you did very well in the arm wrestling tournament the other day.” 

She wasn’t being patronizing. For someone so sheltered, Haruka could do some damage. He stood a few inches taller than her. The others had taken the arm wrestling as a little game, but Kotoko had used the event to measure up her fellow prisoners. After his close match with Mikoto, she had made a mental note to take him seriously. 

“No…” his expression twitched, getting frustrated with the misunderstanding. “Not muscles. I mean… you don’t have someone like Muu. You don’t need someone next to you all the time. But you still talk with everyone… and it looks easy. All the time. You always know what to say, and what to do. You never look scared. You never cry.”

Kotoko’s smile softened. She wasn’t the prideful type, but his words gave her a wave of accomplishment. She certainly was scared. She did cry. But she wasn’t about to show a single crack in her resolve in front of anyone here. Haruka had given her the greatest of compliments by confirming her success.

“Ah, you mean strength of spirit. Well, that doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. It comes with my purpose, with my virtues.”

“Virtues…?”

“I see the injustice around me, and want to protect the innocent. When I see how awful the world can be, when I see the monsters that are hurting those who are weak, I can’t help myself.” She clenched her fist. “The power to do so just comes to me.” 

“Oh…” Haruka looked down at his palms. 

Her heart sank, realizing he didn’t quite understand. It was a shame that not all of humanity could be as righteous as her. That heroic drive had always come so naturally to her; she wasn’t sure she could put it into words to explain to others.

Haruka’s open hands were trembling. “Um. Is there any other way?”

“Hm?”

“All my life… I only cause pain to everyone.” His worry gradually turned to desperation.” I hurt everyone who gets close to me. Especially things that are small and weak. My whole life, I’ve been nothing but a… a curse. So… is there another way? Please. I want to be better. I want to be strong! I want to be like you! Tell me!”

He stepped forward, pleading. Kotoko stepped back. 

His blue eyes widened at her sudden shift into defense. “Ah! I. I’m sorry. I’m-I’m sorry. It’s your birthday. You should be… Have a g-good day.”

“Wait.” Kotoko stopped him before he could flee. She was aware of the massive gap between them, the vastly different backgrounds they came from. Still, she offered the same advice that had helped her in her toughest of days. 

“Don’t worry so much about others’ strength. The quickest way to burn yourself out is getting overwhelmed with the power that’s all around you. Once you start putting all your focus toward honing your own skills and strengths, you’ll realize how much you’re truly capable of. You don’t need anyone else. You’ll realize that you are enough.”

“I… am enough…?”

She placed a hand firmly on his shoulder. 

“So, no need to get all worked up now, okay?” 

“O-okay. I’ll do my best.” He stiffened, trying to appear worthy of her words.

She let out a bitter laugh. “I told the others not to do anything for my birthday, but I don’t think they paid me any mind.” Kotoko still couldn’t fathom how they were so friendly with each other given the situation. “Let’s go see if there’s some cake or something.”

[ennard-is-near]

Hot take? It gets on my nerves when FNaF has mysterious lines just for the sake of sparking theory.

“Remember what you saw,” (4) “Off to that place again,” (6, Midnight Motorist) “The one you should not have killed,” (UCN) are all examples of this phenomenon.

To me it feels like a lot of theorists dedicate time and energy to solving these little mysteries and they abandon the bigger picture or worse, abandon entire theoretical timelines based on one line that doesn’t really mean much.

[smile-files]

i continue to find ii3 baffling. why did they make it (this isn't to hate on the season, i'm genuinely curious)

[true-blue-sonic]

🌹

“The people in Crisis City need me. I had best return,” Silver sighed.

Amy’s face fell. “But… that place is not safe. Is it?”

“Iblis is gone. That’s made it safer than it has in decades.” Yes, he had to go back, Silver forced himself to concede. Firmly he pushed back the chair, rising to his feet: he’d dawdled plenty in this place. “Thank you, for helping me,” he nodded back to Amy. Both now, and before, but he didn’t know how to say either, and thus he awkwardly held out his hand for her to grasp and shake.

Shaken it got, though Amy’s brow furrowed in deep conflict. “Silver, Crisis City doesn’t really sound like a good place for you to be-”

“Doesn’t matter. I have to help there.” Tugging his hand away Silver drew a deep breath, palms splaying out and his eyes closing as he focused his attention to the energy of the Emeralds in his chest.

And frowned…

And opened one eye to peek…

And swallowed, body tensing and fingers curling as he stared, calling out to the Emeralds and commanding them to heed his words and take form, and Amy clearing her throat as well, and a sinking feeling washed over him like a blast of frozen air.

Because where in his hands two Emeralds should have materialised, there laid nothing.

“Um,” Silver spoke, something cold dipping into his stomach. “That’s… not right.”

“Should something have happened?”

“The Emeralds. I have them with me, always.”

“The ones from your future? All seven Emeralds were together a while ago, while Sonic was fighting off an angry god from the core of the planet, but I haven’t seen them since.”

“But… But two of them should be with me!” Balling his fists Silver tried again, and again, and yet the emptiness underneath the agitated burn of his chest was undeniable.

[cephalog0d]

Me: I'm not going to keep reading Gotham War as it releases, I'll just wait until it's over and just get angry once at the end instead of being angry every week.

Also me: *does not do that, keeps reading the garbage fire, keeps getting angry*