#batman and robin 1997

[lemonsquidsoda]

Mr. Freeze? More like Mr. ‘Cool’ because he is so cool B)

[ashley-slashley]

I vaguely remember watching Batman and Robin (1997) as a kid and felt weird about it, like I was watching something I wasn't supposed to

[blueberryattack]

this might be too niche but I've been thinking about it since I was reading about the cut characters from the original Starlight Express Workshop

[hello-god-its-me-sara]

Made a discover and now I’m about to burn the world down

[thena0315]

[attaquecardiaque]

Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy in Batman and Robin 1997

[terryxsi]

Poison Ivy using Bane as her manservant was so cunty im shaking

[andrewmoocow]

Singed in Arcane: I failed you. I wish there were another way for me to say it, but I cannot. I can only beg your forgiveness, and pray you hear me somehow, someplace… someplace where a warm hand waits for mine.

Singed in League of Legends: You know what killed the dinosaurs?! THE ICE AGE!

[darkcozyforest]

I need someone to make me the music box from Batman and Robin (1997) of Nora Fries

[mrfeenysmustache]

You know that SUPER cheesy Batman and Robin movie from 1997? Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy in that movie has stayed with me for decades. Baby Feeny was OBSESSED with her. Especially that scene where she’s disguised as that big pink gorilla.

So I stayed up to the wee hours the other night drawing my Plant Wife.

I love her Your Honor

[lemonsquidsoda]

batman doodlesss😼

[thecncitygirls]

[nooowestayandgetcaught]

Friends or... Froze?

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~1k, Poison Ivy | Pamela Isley/Ms. B Haven, T-rating, Canon AU Summary: Poison Ivy wants what she wants. And she wants a very hostile takeover of Freeze's Hideout.

[hello-god-its-me-sara]

We could’ve had goddamn bat family are you shitting me

[an-apocalypse-of-magpies]

Having thoughts on how to fix Batman & Robin (1997)

What went wrong:

The consistency of camp and drama is all off. Mr Freeze is making dumb jokes about ice one second, angsting about his wife in a test tube the next? Batman and Robin's rubber bat suits and then father-son arguments? Alfred's terminal illness and then sexy cat fights in the Turkish baths? No no no. The whiplash between serious moments and camp melodrama is all off

The rogue's gallery. Mr Freeze takes top billing, sure, but Poison Ivy doesn't really accomplish much other than being Mr Freeze's henchman. She doesn't actually have a narrative arc. Pamela Isley becomes Poison Ivy, then ... what? Her story ends. She doesn't actually chase any of her goels, constantly sidelined by flirting with Batman or Robin. She's a glorified henchman, not exactly befitting a Rogue's Gallery Villain. Bane got even worse, barely even being a person. Add Batgirl, that's a principal cast of 6, 4 or whom are new to this film. Not nearly enough time for them all to be developed.

How to fix it:

Frankly, it should be two films - the goofy camp fun with Poison Ivy, and the moodier drama with Mr Freeze.

Poison Ivy and Bane could be a double-act, with Bane played by Arnold Schwarzenegger. Still the star power from before, that won't change.

Drop the weird romantic plot tumour. If a plant can't go through rock, it'll grow around. If Poison Ivy can't seduce Batman, she'll try something else. Batman and Robin's bickering could stay, but its flavour is different - they have differing philosophies on crimefighting. Dick believe they should be more proactive in patrolling Gotham, ever-reliable and ever-ready - he lost his own parents to a notorious criminal when Batman wasn't there to save them, and now there are two Bats on the block. Bruce believes they should be the last resort, called in by the police to act as their secret weapon.

Meanwhile, we'll keep that a rival scientist made Bane using Isley's toxin research, and that she took up Bane when he died. However, now, Bane needs Poison Ivy's toxins to be Bane, and Poison Ivy needs Bane to be her muscle. Neither can exist without the other, and they both hate each other for it. They can have catty slap fights all they like, sure, in fact I encourage it. But where Bruce and Dick fight but come to a resolution, their alliance is volatile and unsteady. They're not even subtle about scheming against each other. Bane isn't just a dumb slab of meat, but he's the powerhouse where she's the brains.

Corollary to the above, Poison Ivy needs an actual goal. Apart from vaguely petitioning Bruce about some environmental cause in the original, Poison Ivy does nothing to advance her environmentalism in the original. She just shows up and is sexy. This is what I mean about her being a glorified lackey. As an alternative, give her an idea about 're-wilding' Gotham, developing her toxic and carnivorous strains into weapons that she just needs to nurture long enough to propagate - her own garden of Eden, grown on the bones of the cities of man.

Meanwhile, Bane needs his own motivation and goals, ones that align with Ivy's enough to work with her. Maybe he wants to make a toxin-powered militia, a terrorist force to dominate the survivors, Ivy's jungle the perfect training ground.

Meanwhile, Part 2: Mr Freeze. Freeze needed his own story that actually dialled it back a notch. We can drop the ice puns, make it about his research being frustrated by lack of funds and lack of time. Show us Victor Fries before he became Mr Freeze. Show us the proliferation of early-stage Vrolik's Syndrome in a hospital ward. Develop that Alfred's getting sicker, rather than simply saying 'oh yeah he's dying now'. We can have Batgirl too, I guess, although I don't think we need her to be set up as a hardened badass considering we've already had that from Dick in Batman Forever. Give us something new.

Have Batman has to confront that Freeze, if left to his own devices, would actually have the opportunity to do a lot of good in the world, especially now the stakes are personal to Bruce. He could cure a dangerous degenerative condition, one that currently has no cure whatsoever. But he's doing a LOT of crime to do it. Which wins? Batman's vigilante ethics, or Bruce Wayne's emotional needs and compassion? I mean, in the end, he will have to take Freeze in - this is still a Batman story, after all. Final establishing scene is Freeze continuing his work in Arkham, meanwhile Bruce is working to make sure that Arkham is not just a facility for justice or a place for recovery but a way for its inmates to channel their impulses into more constructive avenues.

This is spitballing rather than any real intention to create a fanwork, I just think this would be a good way to improve the bad movie.

[terryxsi]

Not a big twiddler fan but they were AT LEAST fwb in Batman Forever