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Headcanon Hell: Naruto #1
The disappearance of the Senju clan after the foundation of Konoha.
So, this issue is not addressed canonically, but it is occasionally brought up and used by fanfiction authors. I want to point out that I agree with the idea outlined by most of them, but I would like to expand it even more! (Give more details or diverge slightly.)
As an audience, we know that by the time Naruto is 12 years old, the only sufficiently famous person in the village using the Senju name is Tsunade. Tsunade, who is portrayed as a depressed woman after losing basically everyone important to her (with the exception of Shizune and, in part, her teammates).
So the narrative tells us that the clan is as good as dead.
Fandom has created a narration that its members were specifically targeted in the 1st and 2nd ninja wars because of their affinity with Hashirama and Tobirama, and that by the time Tsunade was a teenager there were only remnants left (like her brother Nawaki).
Such a rapid reduction of the clan in about 30 years seems rather unlikely to me. A great, big, clan with ‘a thousand’ different abilities - specialising in medicine - certainly wasn't sending all its members to the frontline.
So I think the disappearance of the Senju is due to how they used their surname. A lot of people replicate the headcanon that all Uchiha use Uchiha as their surname, but among themselves they use the names of different bloodlines, whose names are linked to their sharingana techniques, e.g. Uchiha Madara of Amaterasu bloodline.
In my opinion, the Senju do (did) the opposite. Their ‘thousand’ skills did not, after all, come from nowhere. I like to assume that it was due to both the absorption of smaller clans into itself and the marriage with talented individuals.
Based on how diverse they were and the fact that before Konoha was founded it was not customary to state which clan one came from, I assume that they introduced themselves in the form of a first name and surname matched to a particular bloodline, and only during missions or moments requiring proof of identity did they add of the Senju Clan. The only exception would be the main lineage. Let's make an example on the assumption that Tobirama was half Hatake and the clan recognised him as such and not just the main line: Hatake Tobirama of Senju Clan. Or based on the headcanon that Minato was related to Senju: Namikaze Minato of Senju Clan.
After Konoha was established due to cultural differences, no one paid special attention to this - after all, politics shaped the village as a Senju creation. One could say that Tobirama noticed this, only he took it as a sign that the Senju were properly integrating into the newly formed structures. Instead, he pointed out that this was not the case with the Uchiha, which is why he created the unfortunate police force.
Along with the integration process, Senju on a daily basis, in the privacy of the village's secure walls, just as in clan territory, introduced themselves using their bloodline surnames. And over time outside the village, they changed of Senju Clan to of Konoha.
The Senju name began to be linked exclusively to the main line, and here, as we know, there was actually a shortage of people. Tobirama, as far as we know, had no children. Hashirama had only 1? which produced children who remained in the clan aka Tsunade and Nawaki. (If he and Mito had more they most likely either married into other clans - maybe Akimichi and Hyuga or into Uzu or died rather early.) The only person of Senju clan portrayed as closely related to the brothers was Toka, and even here we don't know if she wasn't considered another lineage as she was a genjutsu specialist. (Perhaps she was connected to Yuhi.)
In summary, the Senju disappeared, not because there were no relatives coming from the clan, but because one, albeit, main line practically died out, and the rest assimilated to the new order.
#Uchiha are like one big fire that sparkles with different colors#Senju are like many different trees that make on big forest#disappearance of senju#founding of Konoha#headcannon hell#naruto#senju clan#somehow#uchiha clan#clan lore#hashirama senju#tobirama senju#tsunade senju#toka senju#if HashiMito had kid that married into Akimichi#then said kid would be a reason why Choza has red hair#if this potential child married into Hyuuga#that would explain why Hiashi Hizashi and Neji's hair reminded me of Hashirama#or maybe there were
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Role reversal AU: Sakura as Orochimaru's student 🐍
(and Sasuke as Tsunade's successor)
#sakura haruno#haruno sakura#naruto#naruto fanart#artists on tumblr#digital art#koko draws#I have so many thoughts about this#Sakura would have been so perfect as Orochimaru's student#they're so similar: both of them are clever shinobi with no clan to back them up and a body too frail to achieve their objectives#on the other hand we have Tsunade and Sasuke#the last heirs of Konoha's two founding clans#both carrying a good dose of traume due to certain events and both being much kinder that they appear at first glance#Tsunade teaching Sasuke her healing techniques and maybe even naming him her successor (not that Sasuke is particularly interested)#would have healed the original rift between the Senju and the Uchiha that Hashirama and Madara couldn't fix at the end#And Sasuke would have been such a good healer. He is the kindest member of team 7 (I'm ready to throw hands over this)#it would suit him.#Role reversal AU
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He woke up and chose violence...
#tobirama senju#madara uchiha#hashirama senju#hashimada#naruto fanart#naruto#doodles#imagine the founding fathers of konoha are just two disaster homosexuals and one guy having to listen to their shit#funny as hell if u ask me#narutito
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Madara: Tobirama.
Tobirama: No.
Madara: Tobirama, we need to talk about this.
Tobirama: What I do with myself is none of your business.
Madara: Tobirama, it has nearly been 120 hours and you. Have. Not. Slept.
Tobirama: My symptoms are both manageable and none of your concern.
Madara: What do you mean sym-? You are exhausted!
Tobirama: The serious-
Tobirama, catches himself on his desk after nearly collapsing: I got it. I’m fine.
Tobirama: The serious symptoms haven’t even started yet.
Madara: WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!
Tobirama: Symptom 7: minor narcolepsy. I’ll get over it.
Madara: You have it numbered?!
Tobirama: I have everything numbered. I’m organized. Get on my level.
#What would happen if Madara found out about Tobirama’s god awful sleeping habits#In a universe when they’re actually civil enough to talk and Madara cares#naruto shippuden#naruto#naruto incorrect quotes#naruto founders#konoha founders#founders era#tobirama senju#madara uchiha#if you want to you can read it as#tobimada#or#madatobi#my stooff
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tobiizu au in which izuna is the one to successfully kill tobirama instead of the other way around, and doing so grants him the Mangekyō Sharingan.
#tobiizu#theres no secret relationship motivating this or anything. no hidden meetings#it's just that he's understood tobirama and felt understood by tobirama in a way that no one else does and no one else ever will#by the nature of the roles they fill and their shared unwavering personalities.#no one else will be the beloved remaining brother of a shinobi-god-clanhead obligated to be the voice of reason/doubt.#the senju have no idea what it means but the uchiha do and are VERY confused.#konoha is eventually founded which izuna finds distasteful. not for the uchiha's sake (He's talked around on that point) but for tobirama's#hashirama is too chummy with him. too forgiving. its disrespectful and too politically motivated
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Tokubetsu Jonin and Konoha's Founding AU Part 2
Accompany pieces for a genma-centric fic Paper Boats
Read from left to right, up to down!
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Head protector distribution day
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Border patrol planning team - Hikaku Uchiha, Yura Hyuuga, Kakashi Hatake
#Tokujo and Konoha Founding AU#there's no actual order to this#honestly just an excuse to draw tobirama in the same space with the sillies#naruto#naruto fanart#tobirama senju#tokubetsu jonin#genma shiranui#raidou namiashi#hikaku uchiha#yura hyuuga#kakashi hatake#yura is an accidental oc
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How Naruto and Sasuke reacted after Hagoromo told them his backstory:
Hagoromo: —and though separated by circumstance of birth, you both are still my precious sons. I wish I had more time speak but it seems fate shall not allow it, goodbye my children
Naruto: Hear that Sasuke? Sage gramps said we’re brothers, I knew we were connected by more than just friendship BELIEVE IT!
Sasuke (Homosexually): B-Brothers? That means… No this can’t be.
#anime#anime and manga#manga#naruto#naruto shippuden#naruto uzumaki#naruto shitposting#sasuke uchiha#sasuke#shinobi#konoha#4th great ninja war#hagoromo#centuries of crash outs have been filed by the souls of Indra and Asura ending up in the gayest of hands#madara uchiha#hashirama senju#madara got his mangyeko when he found out hashirama was straight#political marriage aside they were still fucking tho#madara just had to sell it as “training#hashirama ate that shit up he don’t got internet 😭#madara wanted the tsukuyomi for omegaverse reasons#THIS POST IS 100% VERIFIABLY FACT CHECKED#it came to me in a dream#all according to keikaku#keikaku means plan#naruto x sasuke#naruto theory
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Team 3! Only one more team and I’ll have done all of the Konoha 12!
#my art#naruto#naruto shippuden#naruto fanart#fanart#fanartist#team 3#team 3 naruto#team guy#team gai#rock lee#neji hyuga#neji hyūga#tenten#found family#konoha 12#nart
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Exist civilians (non-ninja) in Konoha? Or everyone in Konoha is part of a family of ninjas and work as a ninja or will become a ninja?
Does Konoha Have Civilians?
(Or: Does Konoha have any permanent inhabitants who never trained as shinobi?)
As far as I know, neither the manga nor Kishimoto himself have ever made any explicit statements regarding such. That being said, I find this line from Shikamaru to have some strong implications:
"The whole reason I became a ninja in the first place was so I could live my life the way I wanted..."
He talks about "becoming a ninja" as though it were a voluntary choice he made, meaning that Konoha has no such thing as a military draft in the present day. On the contrary, hurdles are put into place every step of the way. Aside from only 33% of cadets even making it out of the academy (unless there's some sort of fanmade boot camp), some kids don't even get to enroll in the program.
Now, the problem is that none of this 100% disproves the possibility that all of Konoha's inhabitants might attend the Ninja Academy, only for future civilians not to graduate. However, both financially and logistically, providing alternative curriculums right from the get-go would only make sense (like, why hold back a kid from learning maths if they can't do ninjutsu?). Hence, in Boruto (Episode #35), there's a "general middle school curriculum" and while civilians sometimes do attend shinobi academies, it is only for bonus points on their resume.
For the nerds:
I also made two private/draft posts going through some world-building considerations and calculations further proving my point. If you have thoughts on any of the two, feel free to share them on this post instead. Since the current links lead to drafts, they might be broken. If so, either a) check if you are viewing this post through a reblog because the original post may have already been updated b) ask me to update the link.
#naruto#naruto ask#naruto discussion#naruto analysis#ask#anon#anon ask#naruto worldbuilding#civilians in naruto#in general#i have only found VERY few people ever claiming that Konoha doesn't have civilians#to the point that i found no posts while researching this#but i could've sworn i saw a post at some point where OP claimed otherwise#maybe it was to dehumanize konoha's population and justify military action against the lot of them but idk#looking at danzo. claiming that an entire population consists of combatants is probably genocidal rhetoric anyway sooo
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only haikyuu characters can go from that one super cool dramatic lighting scene to silly angy mode that fast
#guess who just found out about the land vs air match#its not on netflix so im just reading the manga ;D#konoha akinori#fukurodani#haikyuu#haikyu#he needs more love#but fr mr jack of all trades is a great character
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Also, it's interesting to wonder what Shisui's childhood would be like, considering how Konohamaru was treated as the grandson of the Third Hokage.
Shisui would not receive any special treatment as long as his grandparents are alive. Like his father, he was merely born into the family (they love him and his curls very much) and would have to earn a title like any other shinobi, which he does.
Kagami would just be like “honorable? He’s a little boy”. Don’t do that to the kid (over inflating his ego)
Miu would tell him he’s important, but not because of who his grandfather is.
Arata would just be in awe of his little boys every achievement. That’s his baby he was lucky enough to have with the love of his life 🥰
His mother would have introduced him as her little “curly q” and left lipstick marks on his cheeks when seeing him off. He pretty much would never hear the end of it from his comrades about the nickname his MILF of a mother gave him.
So all in all, a rather normal childhood and experiences with villagers.
#ask#kpz naruto founder au#kpz firestorm 🔥#shisui uchiha#OC: Arata uchiha#OC: Sawa uchiha#kagami x Miu#if you want to get real technical his great great grandfather was the head of the Senju#his great uncle founded Konoha#became the first hokage followed by his other great uncle#etc etc#Shisui has bragging rights on all sides#but they’re keeping him humble
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Sometimes I imagine Orochimaru singing a lullaby to help one of her kids sleep and it's so sweet, and then I remember Oro's voice is raspy as fuck and their singing voice likely wouldn't be very nice lol
#then again it would be really funny if log and mitsuki were used to it and found it comforting#when Mitsuki's in konoha and cant sleep he listen to yowling cats and it feels like home
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Role reversal AU: Tsunade's successor
(and Sakura as Orochimaru's student)
#sasuke uchiha#uchiha sasuke#naruto fanart#naruto#artists on tumblr#digital art#koko draws#gonna copy all the tags I dropped on the Sakura drawing lol#Sakura would have been so perfect as Orochimaru's student#they're so similar: both of them are clever shinobi with no clan to back them up and a body too frail to achieve their objectives#on the other hand we have Tsunade and Sasuke#the last heirs of Konoha's two founding clans#both carrying a good dose of traume due to certain events and both being much kinder that they appear at first glance#Tsunade teaching Sasuke her healing techniques and maybe even naming him her successor (not that Sasuke is particularly interested)#would have healed the original rift between the Senju and the Uchiha that Hashirama and Madara couldn't fix at the end#And Sasuke would have been such a good healer. He is the kindest member of team 7 (I'm ready to throw hands over this)#it would suit him.#Role reversal AU
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My hc is that while Senju clan head title passes from father to eldest son, Uchiha ascribe to philosophy of “leader must be our strongest shinobi” and madara was never actually clan Heir because that just doesn’t exist. He becomes clan head because he surpassed Tajima in strength even before his death but did not challange him for leadership so. He got it after his father’s death. That would also be the reason why he’s not forced to marry because yeah his genetics might’ve made his children OP as fuck there’s no guarantee for it and there’s not an immediate leadership crisis if he dies without an heir
#if clan heads die they probably have like an appointed successor who in turn can be challenged for a combat trial#if they win they are appointed#if no one challenges them the same happens#if they lose the same repeats for the winner#naruto founders#founders era#i just can’t see uchiha clan forcing loveless marriages it makes no sense for me with their everything relying on love#naruto#naruto shippuden#madara uchiha#this changes after Konoha is founded and madara deserts#so Itachi is still heir#uchiha things#senju things
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Tokubetsu Jonin and Konoha's Founding AU Part 1
#if they were born into another war (and enter another peace)#a little younger than canon#drawing them in different uniform feels refreshing#naruto#naruto fanart#tokubetsu jonin#tokubetsu jonins shenanigans#Tokujo and Konoha Founding AU#hashirama senju#genma shiranui#hayate gekko#raido namiashi#anko mitarashi#ibiki morino#aoba yamashiro
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Kakashi and Gai: it’s just the chunin exams. Train a little and you’ll be fine :)
Kakashi and gai: *seeing a jinchuriki and a sannin somehow interupt the chunin exams’ right… we invited outside threats for their chunin exams… shit
#Honestly though#Kakashi and Gai took their chunin exams in the middle of a war#so did Asuma and Kurenai i think#there’s no way there were other villiages present#probably felt like the safest place for yhem to be#a good place to teast their lebel#they know exactly what thrests they will face#and the likelyhood of those threats trying to kill tjem is maybe 10% if Obito pisses Kid Kakashi off#did they really register that their students would be taking part in an exam with OUTSIDE forces they have no idea about#how long has it been since Konoha started doing their exams with other villages again?#no way the war ended and they just started having chunin exams with other villages again#it took some time#these two saw Gaara and found out anout orochimaru and were faced with the harsh reality that not even the chunin exams were a place where#death was not likely to happen
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