#founding of Konoha
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owlithere · 4 months ago
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Headcanon Hell: Naruto #1
The disappearance of the Senju clan after the foundation of Konoha.
So, this issue is not addressed canonically, but it is occasionally brought up and used by fanfiction authors. I want to point out that I agree with the idea outlined by most of them, but I would like to expand it even more! (Give more details or diverge slightly.)
As an audience, we know that by the time Naruto is 12 years old, the only sufficiently famous person in the village using the Senju name is Tsunade. Tsunade, who is portrayed as a depressed woman after losing basically everyone important to her (with the exception of Shizune and, in part, her teammates).
So the narrative tells us that the clan is as good as dead.
Fandom has created a narration that its members were specifically targeted in the 1st and 2nd ninja wars because of their affinity with Hashirama and Tobirama, and that by the time Tsunade was a teenager there were only remnants left (like her brother Nawaki).
Such a rapid reduction of the clan in about 30 years seems rather unlikely to me. A great, big, clan with ‘a thousand’ different abilities - specialising in medicine - certainly wasn't sending all its members to the frontline.
So I think the disappearance of the Senju is due to how they used their surname. A lot of people replicate the headcanon that all Uchiha use Uchiha as their surname, but among themselves they use the names of different bloodlines, whose names are linked to their sharingana techniques, e.g. Uchiha Madara of Amaterasu bloodline.
In my opinion, the Senju do (did) the opposite. Their ‘thousand’ skills did not, after all, come from nowhere. I like to assume that it was due to both the absorption of smaller clans into itself and the marriage with talented individuals.
Based on how diverse they were and the fact that before Konoha was founded it was not customary to state which clan one came from, I assume that they introduced themselves in the form of a first name and surname matched to a particular bloodline, and only during missions or moments requiring proof of identity did they add of the Senju Clan. The only exception would be the main lineage. Let's make an example on the assumption that Tobirama was half Hatake and the clan recognised him as such and not just the main line: Hatake Tobirama of Senju Clan. Or based on the headcanon that Minato was related to Senju: Namikaze Minato of Senju Clan.
After Konoha was established due to cultural differences, no one paid special attention to this - after all, politics shaped the village as a Senju creation. One could say that Tobirama noticed this, only he took it as a sign that the Senju were properly integrating into the newly formed structures. Instead, he pointed out that this was not the case with the Uchiha, which is why he created the unfortunate police force.
Along with the integration process, Senju on a daily basis, in the privacy of the village's secure walls, just as in clan territory, introduced themselves using their bloodline surnames. And over time outside the village, they changed of Senju Clan to of Konoha.
The Senju name began to be linked exclusively to the main line, and here, as we know, there was actually a shortage of people. Tobirama, as far as we know, had no children. Hashirama had only 1? which produced children who remained in the clan aka Tsunade and Nawaki. (If he and Mito had more they most likely either married into other clans - maybe Akimichi and Hyuga or into Uzu or died rather early.) The only person of Senju clan portrayed as closely related to the brothers was Toka, and even here we don't know if she wasn't considered another lineage as she was a genjutsu specialist. (Perhaps she was connected to Yuhi.)
In summary, the Senju disappeared, not because there were no relatives coming from the clan, but because one, albeit, main line practically died out, and the rest assimilated to the new order.
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kokodrawings · 2 months ago
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Role reversal AU: Sakura as Orochimaru's student 🐍
(and Sasuke as Tsunade's successor)
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bl00dalchemist · 3 months ago
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He woke up and chose violence...
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watermelonsloth · 1 year ago
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Madara: Tobirama.
Tobirama: No.
Madara: Tobirama, we need to talk about this.
Tobirama: What I do with myself is none of your business.
Madara: Tobirama, it has nearly been 120 hours and you. Have. Not. Slept.
Tobirama: My symptoms are both manageable and none of your concern.
Madara: What do you mean sym-? You are exhausted!
Tobirama: The serious-
Tobirama, catches himself on his desk after nearly collapsing: I got it. I’m fine.
Tobirama: The serious symptoms haven’t even started yet.
Madara: WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT?!
Tobirama: Symptom 7: minor narcolepsy. I’ll get over it.
Madara: You have it numbered?!
Tobirama: I have everything numbered. I’m organized. Get on my level.
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doveywovy · 10 days ago
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tobiizu au in which izuna is the one to successfully kill tobirama instead of the other way around, and doing so grants him the Mangekyō Sharingan.
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nightofhappylight · 8 months ago
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Tokubetsu Jonin and Konoha's Founding AU Part 2
Accompany pieces for a genma-centric fic Paper Boats
Read from left to right, up to down!
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Head protector distribution day
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Border patrol planning team - Hikaku Uchiha, Yura Hyuuga, Kakashi Hatake
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imparateasa · 1 month ago
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How Naruto and Sasuke reacted after Hagoromo told them his backstory:
Hagoromo: —and though separated by circumstance of birth, you both are still my precious sons. I wish I had more time speak but it seems fate shall not allow it, goodbye my children
Naruto: Hear that Sasuke? Sage gramps said we’re brothers, I knew we were connected by more than just friendship BELIEVE IT!
Sasuke (Homosexually): B-Brothers? That means… No this can’t be.
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alchemie0 · 1 year ago
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Team 3! Only one more team and I’ll have done all of the Konoha 12!
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comikas-fandom-dump · 4 months ago
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Exist civilians (non-ninja) in Konoha? Or everyone in Konoha is part of a family of ninjas and work as a ninja or will become a ninja?
Does Konoha Have Civilians?
(Or: Does Konoha have any permanent inhabitants who never trained as shinobi?)
As far as I know, neither the manga nor Kishimoto himself have ever made any explicit statements regarding such. That being said, I find this line from Shikamaru to have some strong implications:
"The whole reason I became a ninja in the first place was so I could live my life the way I wanted..."
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He talks about "becoming a ninja" as though it were a voluntary choice he made, meaning that Konoha has no such thing as a military draft in the present day. On the contrary, hurdles are put into place every step of the way. Aside from only 33% of cadets even making it out of the academy (unless there's some sort of fanmade boot camp), some kids don't even get to enroll in the program.
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Now, the problem is that none of this 100% disproves the possibility that all of Konoha's inhabitants might attend the Ninja Academy, only for future civilians not to graduate. However, both financially and logistically, providing alternative curriculums right from the get-go would only make sense (like, why hold back a kid from learning maths if they can't do ninjutsu?). Hence, in Boruto (Episode #35), there's a "general middle school curriculum" and while civilians sometimes do attend shinobi academies, it is only for bonus points on their resume.
For the nerds:
I also made two private/draft posts going through some world-building considerations and calculations further proving my point. If you have thoughts on any of the two, feel free to share them on this post instead. Since the current links lead to drafts, they might be broken. If so, either a) check if you are viewing this post through a reblog because the original post may have already been updated b) ask me to update the link.
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popuptent1 · 9 months ago
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only haikyuu characters can go from that one super cool dramatic lighting scene to silly angy mode that fast
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kankuroplease · 4 months ago
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Also, it's interesting to wonder what Shisui's childhood would be like, considering how Konohamaru was treated as the grandson of the Third Hokage.
Shisui would not receive any special treatment as long as his grandparents are alive. Like his father, he was merely born into the family (they love him and his curls very much) and would have to earn a title like any other shinobi, which he does.
Kagami would just be like “honorable? He’s a little boy”. Don’t do that to the kid (over inflating his ego)
Miu would tell him he’s important, but not because of who his grandfather is.
Arata would just be in awe of his little boys every achievement. That’s his baby he was lucky enough to have with the love of his life 🥰
His mother would have introduced him as her little “curly q” and left lipstick marks on his cheeks when seeing him off. He pretty much would never hear the end of it from his comrades about the nickname his MILF of a mother gave him.
So all in all, a rather normal childhood and experiences with villagers.
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sannin-three · 1 month ago
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Sometimes I imagine Orochimaru singing a lullaby to help one of her kids sleep and it's so sweet, and then I remember Oro's voice is raspy as fuck and their singing voice likely wouldn't be very nice lol
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kokodrawings · 2 months ago
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Role reversal AU: Tsunade's successor
(and Sakura as Orochimaru's student)
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driedlillies · 7 months ago
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My hc is that while Senju clan head title passes from father to eldest son, Uchiha ascribe to philosophy of “leader must be our strongest shinobi” and madara was never actually clan Heir because that just doesn’t exist. He becomes clan head because he surpassed Tajima in strength even before his death but did not challange him for leadership so. He got it after his father’s death. That would also be the reason why he’s not forced to marry because yeah his genetics might’ve made his children OP as fuck there’s no guarantee for it and there’s not an immediate leadership crisis if he dies without an heir
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nightofhappylight · 9 months ago
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Tokubetsu Jonin and Konoha's Founding AU Part 1
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depressedhatakekakashi · 1 year ago
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Kakashi and Gai: it’s just the chunin exams. Train a little and you’ll be fine :)
Kakashi and gai: *seeing a jinchuriki and a sannin somehow interupt the chunin exams’ right… we invited outside threats for their chunin exams… shit
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