#if you disagree with me you are entitled to be wrong /lh

[arathejedi394]

i clearly have a type for my preferred gremlins. i want a demented, feral little bastard, fully rabid and foaming at the mouth if you just look at their partner wrong, and a guy who looks casually like axe murderer standing behind them with a smoothie, unruffled until somebody gets too close to their demented little man, and then the serial killer vibes come out.

like here, it's steve that's the demented little bastard and bucky is casually an axe murderer, and that's really fun.

like, steve flips his lid over something vision goes red veins throb in his temple as he's shrieking flapping his arms steam coming out of his ears and there's bucky behind him like "i'll give him two more seconds before i put a stop to this." or they're in the club steve's tipsy an affectionate giggly drunk and very pretty so everyone's trying to flirt with him until a shadow falls over them and there's the winter soldier with his full murder face on. he doesn't have to say a word before the pathetic attempt at rivals flee bc of sheer vibes. but when it's all over, steve the demented feral fully rabid little bastard gets topped by bucky the casual axe murderer, so thoroughly he ends up crying and drooling. great dynamic. love that vibe.

but now there's my new set of blorbos, laios and chilchuck from dungeon meshi. and it's the opposite dynamic.

chilchuck is the feral rabid demented little bastard, laios casually looks like a good catholic boy scout that accidentally apprenticed under dexter so now he's weird, but chilchuck doms the shit out of laios, i just know it. like even if chilchuck is literally the one bottoming, he's topping from the bottom. laios has definitely let that tiny little man step on him. his face, his dick, his head, whatever part of him he wants to. but the second somebody starts creeping on chilchuck or just plain offends him, you know laios has got his hand on the hilt of his sword giving them that deep dark unreadably blank look like he knows what human flesh tastes like, all "walk away. now." (does he know? you decide. i think a little bit of canibalism is okay sometimes.) and after they're gone, you know he'd go from using his big boy bark to his happy puppy awoo yay master's been successfully resource guarded in like a split second, like to anybody other than chilchuck (used to this) he'd switch attitudes so fast it'd give them whiplash. and chilchuck would be like "good dog you may have one (1) kiss as a treat" "YAY KISSES" "ONE KISS"

i mean just look at them. you know i'm right.

[miles-edgewords]

I’m extraordinarily biased because I played him in a community production but I keep seeing the “Karnak is the true villain” thing come up a lot and I disagree, and I’m brainrotting HARD right now so here’s my reasoning.

(Note: all of this is /lh; obviously you’re entitled to your opinion and if you disagree that’s completely fine! If we all had exactly the same thoughts about every character then fandoms would get pretty boring, I just wanna share my thoughts!)

Firstly, an argument I see a lot is that he’s unfair to Ocean at the beginning, even going so far as to avoid telling her about the unanimous vote until after her song is finished. I get where that’s coming from, but my problem with that argument is the fact that Ocean,, kinda needed to be knocked down a little? Don’t get me wrong, I love her, but if Karnak had been up front about the rules from the get go, Ocean likely would’ve just sung a longer version of “I Love You Guys” then spent the rest of the musical assuming she’d won the vote. If she’d felt completely secure in her self-proclaimed authority the entire time, she wouldn’t have gotten the chance to grow and change as she does throughout the story. Ocean needed to see her own behavior reflected back at her.

Secondly, there’s the whole Taco Bell thing, and like… yeah?? It was kinda rude, but again, I feel like Noel kinda needed that for the same reason Ocean did— he just needed a reality check before his song instead of afterwards. Karnak’s whole thing is getting the kids to recognize that even though they dreamed of futures they never got to have, they still did things over the course of their lives, and they need to accept every facet of themselves instead of just the trope-y, “likable” parts. Noel Gruber was a novelist-and-sexual-provocateur-who-never-wrote-a-novel-or-had-sex, but he was also Noel Gruber who worked at Taco Bell and was kind of a dork. Those things are not mutually exclusive, and he needed to see that.

I’ve heard a few variations of “he was pushing them to vote for Jane Doe and they were never really in control.” My take on that is that yes, he was hoping they’d choose Jane because, y’know, they had lives already and all that, but I don’t think he forced them to. [MILD HADESTOWN SPOILERS] In my mind, it’s a bit like how at the end of Hadestown, Hades didn’t trick or deceive Orpheus— it was a test, not a trap. Hades wasn’t going to stop him from passing, but he wasn’t going to stop him from failing, either. [END OF SPOILERS] (Sorry that was the best metaphor I could think of)

So uh yeah, I don’t think he’s the villain— I personally don’t think RTC has a villain. It’s not a game, after all. :)

Feel free to share your thoughts and opinions on this, I’d love to hear!!

[immortalpunz]

Most people just use the excuse of him being friends with Andi as to why they don’t like him and say he’s defended her but correct me if I’m wrong but he’s never defended her or what she did he’s just said not to talk bad about her in his tweets and everything and said she’s apologized and he hopes she learns and things but he also said no one has to accept her apology right?

I mean the three things besides that I can think of that are actually justifiable reasons not to like him are

He made two jokes he shouldn’t have but he quickly educated himself and apologized for both but still no one has to accept his apology

And then IMO it was blown out of proportion but those one tweets he liked about misogyny against andi and everything or whatever

Yea other than the two jokes really those no valid reason I know of to dislike him

Like you don’t have to have a reason to dislike someone by any means you can just dislike them but like when you ask people why they dislike him it’s always the same excuse it’s never just “oh idk he’s not my vibe” “oh idk I just don’t like him”

I don't actually know too much about the andi situation if im going to be completely honest. I don't hate her, but I also don't really have a set opinion on her or her content.

and my post was super /lh. everyone is entitled to have their own preferences and choose to dislike a streamer and/or their content. but using excuses that have nothing to do directly with the cc is not exactly . valid? like there's no need to 'cancel' or deem a cc problematic based off their friends bc being friends with someone doesn't mean you hold the same views/beliefs as them. you can be friends with someone and disagree with them.

punz has made jokes in the past that were a little iffy, but he has actually taken the time to educate himself before publicly apologizing instead of just jumping on stream or tweeting something half assed. of course, no one has to accept those apologies and if those jokes turned you away from his content, that's completely okay and completely valid.

[tundrainafrica]

I just find it so unfortunate that some aggressive shippers ruin a ship and a character for so many people. A popular Erwin x Levi artist got hate comments by some Levihan shippers and so many people are bashing it now on twitter because of that. Its just so sad considering LH was one of the most beautiful and fun dynamics in such a depressing story. Even Hange is getting hated because LH is pretty much the default ship involving them and it just breaks my heart :(

Twitter has some great content and I actually hang around AOT twt for some quick content. It’s like every time I’m feeling fast food I just hang there, like a few tweets, read a few soc med AUs etc etc. 

But god. It’s a mess man. Last year I was constantly on twitter to be honest and it left me in a bad mood everyday because people are just being assholes for little to no reason really but just to put themselves in what they believe is a morally higher ground from their peers. And people just like fighting and the funny part is no opinions are actually heard, no views are actually exchanged. It’s just “you dont agree with me so you’re a bad person.” 

Ad hominem attacks are just everywhere.

So I like staying in my small little hole and just talking to myself there and just liking the content of the Levihan people I actually follow. I see stuff I don’t agree with but I’ve kinda accepted that a lot of people there are just there to push an agenda because really if people were that open minded, I don’t think lynching and call out culture would have gotten this far.  

I’ve used this same analogy so many times but I feel like in Twitter, people are just scrambling for some sort of moral high ground. Because of that, it is completely useless to engage in discourse there because one thing I noticed is most people who are vocal there already have a set stance on something and the fact that they’re ready to just bully anyone who stands in the way of their agenda, just makes convincing them out of the agenda impossible and a complete waste of time. And there are two issues in particular among the LH community which are really unsettling for me: the ship wars and within the LH community, the gender war. 

Ship wars

I find the ship wars unnecessary because really what makes a superior ship? 

Probability of being canon? How much fuel they were given in canon? Healthiness of the relationship?

The truth is people ship for many reasons. But really, who are we to judge how a person goes about the way they decide to participate in the fandom and ship? As long as it is something they keep within personal spaces and do it responsibly, I don’t think it’s our business to judge someone or lynch them. The important thing is people are able to not be an asshole about it. People can ship the most questionable shit, create the most dubious content, as long as that person is respecting boundaries and putting the right tags and trigger warnings, who are we to call them out right?

Of course I prefer LH over other Levi ships personally but is there really a need to attack other people’s ships about it? I probably do poke fun at Ereri because until now I still do not get why people enjoy Ereri in the first place but why destroy the fandom experience for people just because we don’t agree with them.

My general intention behind shipping Levihan is because above anything I value the healthiness in the relationship and the things people can learn about love and relationships by analyzing Levihan’s dynamics and headcanoning them. I love Levi and Hange’s dynamics to death and I like digging deeper into them and pulling out lessons from it about love, life and relationships and just sharing them with people which is my whole point for participating in this fandom in the first place. 

But in the end, ships are just preferences. Some people like getting a kick out of dubious pairings and toxic relationships. As long as they consume these responsibly and don’t emulate them in real life, I see no problem in it. 

The toxic ones are the ones who actively crucify people for preferences. 

The Gender War

One really disturbing thing I found about twitter is that deciding to use ‘she’ to refer to Hange can get you lynched. I found a few accounts that would reblog tweets where someone says something like “Yes, Hange, Queen” which gets retweeted by some NB Hange folk who say stuff like “Unfollow this transphobe now.” 

Because apparently deciding to headcanon Hange as a woman or just preferring to use ‘she’ makes people a transphobe. Which is personally just... really disturbing. I don’t believe words like homophobic, transphobic, racist should be so easily thrown around unless there is hard evidence to believe that someone is really one of the epithets above like for example: 

There are things I find completely assholish like of course, refusing to use someone’s preferred pronouns if they ask you. 

But Hange is fictional and Hange is a gift to the fandom.And I don’t even think the issue about Hange’s gender should have ever reached this far. The only thing Yams ever said was that Hange is just not the type to be tied down to a single gender. 

And policing Hange’s gender and saying NOPE SHE’S NON BINARY USE THEY Is just counterintuitive to the whole idea that she’s a free spirit. In the end, Hange as a character wouldn’t have given a fuck whether people called her a they, she or even a he. 

And yeah, it’s frustrating really that these two issues I just discussed above are ruining Hange as a character for a lot of people and consequently, ruining Levi x Hange as a ship. 

Apparently, a lot of people are closet LxH shippers or closet Hange stans because the moment they tweet something about Hange, there are people who will attack them. If people refer to Hange as they, they get attacked. If people refer to Hange as she, they get attacked. There are so many antis apparently to the LxH ship, some apparently are jealous because ‘it’s the closest to canon’ while others just apparently deem it a toxic ship because of our own internal gender war.  

There’s no winning really. And to be honest, there’s nothing I can do either and I don’t want to engage in any arguments in twitter if at the end of it, I’m just gonna end up wasting my time listening to ad hominem attacks directed at me just for not agreeing with someone in a fandom related matter. . 

I’ve said my piece about the Hange gender issue so many times. There are NBs who use she. There are those who use they. Being female and being NB aren’t mutually exclusive. You can be both at the same time.

But yeah, we still have people being assholes about this and pushing factually wrong agendas. I love research and I have been writing research papers and metas for a lot of things even before I started this blog in the first place. And I eventually learned that the world is so complex that no opinion is completely and absolutely correct. 

And ideally, opinions shouldn’t be made so easily. 

Don’t get me wrong. I believe everyone is entitled to a preference and when I say preference I mean the type of food they like, the type of wallpaper they like. 

But no one is entitled to a moral judgement or opinion just for existing and when I say opinion I mean questions on morals, on what’s right or what isn’t, what is or what should be. Every single person has the responsibility to research, hear both sides of a discourse and understanding them before deciding for themselves what’s right. And this is why hearing accusations that someone is ‘transphobic,’ ‘homophobic’ blah blah over how we hc a character just really does not sit well with me. 

Passing moral judgement on someone requires discernment, deep thought and lots and lots of evidence. But yeah this is a philosophical question and a political question so I ain’t going to delve into it here.

Because, in the end, fandoms are preferences. The way we choose to participate in a fandom and create content are preferences more than anything.

So what? (Btw, if you reached all the way here, thank you for listening to me ramble lol and sorry if you weren’t expecting this type of ramble)

I know I’ve just been rambling a lot up there for a lot of reasons but really what message do I wanna give? 

Fandoms are preferences more than anything so I don’t even believe that there should be a discussion on moral judgement here. People can have the weirdest kinks, the most questionable preferences but as long as they aren’t going around romanticizing abuse, beating up people in real life, killing them and lying in real life, who are we to judge?

Even if someone says they have a rape kink and abuse kink when it comes to fics, as long as they acknowledge it’s something they shouldn’t emulate in real life, as long as they can keep an adult conversation about it, I think these people are generally kinder and more pleasant overall than people who force their healthy canon ship and lynch everyone for having more questionable preferences. 

Ship and let ship. Live and let live. Headcanon and let headcanon. If a person has a differing opinion, listen. (Or really, if you just don’t want to deal with listening to differing opinions coz you’re just gonna get stressed, don’t lynch? Don’t send hate? And just ignore it?)

Ask yourself. Does the person acknowledge that it isn’t right in real life? Do they acknowledge if they emulate it in real life it has the potential to be harmful?

Honestly, all I wanna do is just let people stan Levi and Hange however they want to. There are obviously hcs I dont agree with. But in the LH community we just all love Levihan, let’s not ruin the fandom experience for anyone. In the AOT community, we all just love AOT, let’s not ruin it for anyone. Let’s not hurt anyone, attack them etc. 

If someone doesn’t agree and they can hold an adult conversation about it and they don’t emulate these toxic opinions in real life and they recognize that there is the option to just agree to disagree, why don’t we just listen and engage in this discourse to learn more about other people and to build more perspectives?

Because really it isn’t the questionable hcs or the multiple genders which leaves such a bad taste in my mouth. It’s the people who just go straight to attacking instead of actually considering that there’s potential for discourse and there’s potential to ‘agree to disagree’ because in the end, fandom discourse is a question of preference more than moral judgement. 

It’s easier said than done really. But personally for me, I just try to keep my fandom experience as non toxic as possible while at the same time as mentally fulfilling as possible. I enjoy discourse, I like hearing differing opinions and I really believe with something as light and as inconsequential as fandoms as our common ground, we can learn to peacefully co-exist despite differing opinions on what the best ship is or what Hange’s gender is. 

Note: I won’t delve too much on the Hange gender issue here because I have pending asks about those which I’ll answer in one go, but I really believe that both they and she are valid pronouns for Hange. 

I have a general preference for ‘she’ because it’s just easier to read. But personally I don’t think too much about the gender identity issue because it’s really just too complex for me and i like spending my time thinking of other headcanons about Hange than gender and people who push the Hange is nb agenda and people who push the Hange is a female agenda and just insult each other and lynch each other are both equally unsettling. 

[tepess]

venti uses neopronouns if you disagree with me then you are entitled to your opinion but just know its wrong <3 /lh /hj