#it's the same problem ppl have with spl

[starrywangxian]

the next time i see someone say that jc x wwx is wrong on the basis of ignorance of the cultural context, i will flip.

[shijiujun]

i feel kinda bad for shl cos all the fans of hyx and spl are blaming shl since their dramas are being delayed :(

LMAO I really don’t get that altho i can see that the timing might be a little back to back, and i’m not a SHL-only stan by any measure but:

For HYX especially,

Firstly it was already having problems since the end of last year with censorship and review. This is mostly due to the reason that 2ha is a pretty big fandom and is the cult fave in the danmei industry - what this means is that there are three types of fans basically right, (1) Normal fans who love the novel + show (2) Those who fanatically love the novel in some extreme ways haha (3) Those who hate it and/or are HYX-onlys - so you get it all in a bag. 

The first type of fans is definitely the easier ones to deal with, but unfortunately in big fandoms you get a lot of (2) and (3). It’s not something that’s exclusive only to 2ha/HYX but because it’s a cult fave, and a controversial one at that, problems definitely arise.

(2) are the ones who head down to the filming scenes, take photos and footage despite crew telling ppl not to do it, not to sneak around filming sites and definitely not to leak photos or footage. They do it anyway. Yeah sure of course it’s a couple of photos every few weeks or a tiny video every few weeks but word gets out. They’re inevitably hurting the show and the fandom with their actions, because shit trends on Weibo really fast, and the censorship committee (not just for the film industry or shows) is always lurking on the site to catch any sign of you know, hate speech for the country etc. and more. Not related, but the point is that social media is watched very closely. It’s not a myth or an exaggeration, you really just got to be careful, and HYX is a show that, despite not having been broadcasted, has consistently trended on Weibo over the last few months. Not always because of leaks, but yeah, HYX is in everyone’s faces. Fans themselves put a fucking huge spotlight on the show BEFORE we even have any content at all, and of course this isn’t enough to like create huge trouble for the show but then we have-

(3), which I believe creates the most trouble - the thing is 2ha and meatbun who wrote the book, has a long line of haters and antis, way before HYX came into the picture. I shall not go into details of how I’ve seen some big accounts on Tumblr here spit vitriol at the book without even reading it just based on the content/trigger warnings and playing the morality card (and I think most ppl who’ve followed me for a while know just what I think about that). Like this was way before any footage or leaks or even HYX being a thing came about - as a cult fave it has its share of haters, and this share is a huge. There are those who get off on their moral high grounds XD and I think especially these ones are the most troublesome, all they have to do is report that HYX is immoral, bad for culture etc. etc. hahaha and yeah the censorship team is always ready to step in on reports, especially on BL stuff.

And of course the larger part is the change in censorship processes - honestly even way before SHL came out in end Feb, HYX was no closer to getting passed by the review committee than it is now. Maybe yes, SHL scenes may be now used as reference for comparison but seriously? People are deluding themselves if they thought pre-SHL HYX was going through the review process smoothly and only hit roadblocks after. I mean, we’ve all seen the leaks, some of them are truly like god-tier scenes that may be hard to explain away. It’s not like they can repackage the script especially because they have to submit everything to the review committee.

I mentioned this in a post yesterday but how SHL passed reviews is due to the fact that they didn’t have to submit a full script. They only had to submit a partial script, and that makes a world of difference. Basically a team, under these requirements, can repackage the script to include the more het looking parts even I feel, and of course some heavy misdirection by the team, it could work. Now that you have to put an entire script up for scrutiny.. I mean, it’s hard. This is just a game of probability.

And the last reason I think is still Tencent. Honestly, I’ve never seen a huge ass MNC like this handle a show this terribly.

1. No control over leaks - This is honestly the dumbest shit to do

2. Terrible crisis management response time - When fans leak footage, it’s standard and practical business sense to control it IMMEDIATELY. They shouldn’t just leave it up to the crew to put up notices and as the company that owns the rights to the show, it’s up to them to possibly threaten legal action as well. Basically a sterner stance would have helped a lot, but Tencent is a motherfucker of a company who only cares about free marketing and publicity without any considerations over impact to the show itself 

3. Terrible at communicating with fans - Seriously, I’ve never seen a company or team that’s been this bad at confirming delays etc. and providing updates about a show. I understand that it’s mostly due to them not wanting to affect the review process or create more chaos within the fandom but lmao Tencent allowed the hype to build so much and then goes absolutely silent at crazy rumours. I mean we had to find out about a delay from Cai Bao, their cat mascot, like??? In a really veiled and poetic message that didn’t outright say the word ‘delay’ like damn these ppl have a lot of time

As for SPL,

Lol we don’t know anything about this show. We don’t know if they took out or left in the Yifu part that would supposedly make it less gay or whatever, we don’t know anything about how gay it should have been or could have, so this one might be a tad more ridiculous. I mean none of us have seen any good leaks, and we haven’t seen any of the script, we got ZERO idea about this. Maybe they really went hard on the bromance, how would any of us know hahaha so all the more it’s like people have zero basis to go on, to say that it’s because of SHL. Seriously, everyone’s shooting in the dark.

Technically if laws didn’t change last Feb, I think SPL/WIK should have been passed in the same way as SHL did, but it’s just inopportune time for them.

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- So tl:dr HYX already had tons of problems, that I doubt were going to go away just because SHL didn’t air, honestly. For SPL, it’s really hard to tell what failed the review, because none of us know what’s going on in the script.

No one cared about SHL, even I only realized the show was airing on the day itself and then made a rec post after I watched the first 4 eps. And if it truly was anything to do with SHL, I’m telling you that the first thing the censorship committee will do is basically shut SHL down, get Youku to take it off sites etc. until it’s reviewed again etc. etc. That hasn’t happened yet, at least not before HYX and SPL were stalled.

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ALSO!! Don’t have to feel sorry for SHl fans hahaha I’m telling ya a lot of us definitely weren’t OG SHL or TYK fans, seriously! All the bigger accounts I see on Twitter are a combination of CQL/SHL or MXTX/SHL, SPL/SHL and I am personally 2HA/HYX/SHL. The fight is all out on Twitter HAHAHAHA but it’s not that bad, we’ve all got practice. Seriously WHO ACTUALLY is an SHL only stan I’ve honestly not seen much?! HAHAHA the point is we’re all yelling on behalf of SHL as a cross fandom fan, easier for us to do so as well. We’re talking about 2ha/HYX/SPL/Priest dedicated accounts that delved deep into SHL championing for no-nonsense in the space hahaha

[shijiujun]

You probably will not answer this but I just want to make it clear that I don't mind the yifu relationship reference. To make it as reference is definitely OK. That's not the problem. The problem is the dialogues being copied for other characters. I'm just wondering if Priest can get more pay since it's from her other works. It's a separate work after all. I'm sorry my previous ask is not clear and thank you for reading.

okay i’ll make an exception to this one because this ask actually sounds way more ridiculous than the first:

firstly, it’s not that you mind the yifu relationship reference or not, it’s just a simple fact that the yifu thing is not a trope you can claim belongs to a particular novel, and also it’s kind of sad that anyone would put zhaoxie (which is so toxic and abusive in a sense) and changgu (which is an actual healthy relationship) in actual and equivalent comparison is pretty sad. 

i mean... not even shifu-disciple relationship can be compared to another LOL it’s really interesting that you did, that’s like me saying there’s this married couple and i will vaguely compare them to another married couple like XD idk man

the rest of it:

i don’t even know why there is a need to think about the pay structure because it’s honestly not anything you or anyone outside is privy to, and she’s probably already earning a shit ton regardless. 

and honestly, a few lines aren’t going to make her paycheck any significantly bigger or smaller - money goes left pocket to right pocket because if you’ve read my response she referenced spl and modu which are already live actions, she’s already getting paid for those - that’s a naught argument. maybe yeah if she referenced another work that she has not been paid for this may stand, but no, in summary it is not my place or yours to worry about this, seriously. 

in my previous response, i already said that the line is a little blur here because while yes she did ‘copy’ right, the intentions of it is a little different in this case when 1. she knows the audience will see that it’s referenced/copied/taken 2. the audience will know it’s referenced/copied/taken. there is no other explanation for this. she knows, she knows we will know, she ain’t trying to hide it - she’s paying homage. idk how many times you want me to say this, i think intentions wise she was paying homage, it’s a frickin easter egg.

yes, maybe she could have done the PR work better. she could have smoothed things over. yeah totally, considering fandom sensitivities and whatever. yes someone should have gone in to say hey, did you think about fandoms fighting if you do this, because that’s what crisis PR response teams do, but they were probably too poor, and yeah maybe she could have even asked pipi like hey i’m gonna reference other works in this one is that okay? 

totally. there are definitely things she could have done.

and yes of course, is the act of copying itself problematic? yes it is, but in this case - you’re talking about cross line referencing across the same author’s works. literally the same author’s works. she’d be in a lot of trouble if she referenced other novel’s works, which i think she knows. she made a conscious decision probably, and while maybe not the smartest thing to do - think about it. who sues who if pipi or the production companies decide to sue? who gets to be accused? who get to accuse? pipi is like uhhh i own everything so.. and then the production companies will be like uhh... yeah one of us produced two shows from pipi so... yeah we dk who we should sue

fine, she could be ‘bastardizing’ lines that were originally meant for and construed in one specific setting in another novel and fine, even as uni students you get screwed over by turnitin.com if you even reference your own paper that you wrote before in your current paper but... like i said, she’s not trying to hide it, which leads me to think that she and everyone else who read it thought it was harmless

*also a tidbit here, spl and shl are being produced from the exact same production company 慈文影视. i mean??? 

and of course whether she should be shot for ‘copying’ lines that’s up to idk, pipi herself and production teams to go and fight it out - if they’re fine with it, there’s no need to think about it, if they think it’s an issue, hell, the same production company green lighted it so they all should take responsibility.

(once again, money left pocket right pocket all the money goes to pipi!!!!!)

my argument is not whether copying is right or wrong in itself, it’s wrong yes, but for her she probably thought it was easter eggs. over-enthusiastically trying to you know, drop priest tidbits in here and there. it’s like when she dropped the yiguo easter egg in, we were all fucking excited.

should there have been someone to veto this and go like let’s be more considerate to other fandoms? maybe, but there’s no need to talk about the pay structure or everything else. she didn’t commit a crime and i don’t think it was her intentionally copying for whatever reason. and we’re not here to make problems or talk about problems, or crucify anyone else, when we’re not the ones most involved and no outright accusations have been acknowledged etc. at this point by any important party. there are ppl who make the damn decisions on this particular issue/scandal whatever. 

our time and certainly my time can definitely be spent in more productive places when my actions and opinions are not worth a damn or cannot influence anything in this case.