#logicomix

[whimsimarion]

My first entry in the Classics-tober 2024 Challenge. "Harmodius and Aristogeiton" (they were the original "Be gay, do crimes", you can't convince me otherwise!)

Center below: The tyrant Hipparchus, after being assassinated by Harmodius and Aristogeiton (notice the Family Guy death pose?)

Left to right: Harmodius, Aristogeiton

Behind them: Varius Scythian guards, ready to kill them

First time learning about them was through Abraham Kawa's, Alecos Papadatos' and Anni Di Donna's (if the two last names are familiar to you, it's because they have worked on "Logicomix", which I strongly recommend) graphic novel, "Democracy", which retells how democracy came to be in Ancient Athens. I do like it, although the design is not that appealing

[aluminia]

So, no idea what your idea about greek comics were, είδα ένα ποστ που μίλαγες για αυτό όχι το original place where you first mentioned it, αλλά κάτι είπες για recommendations, δεν ξέρω αν είναι αυτό που ψάχνεις η αν ψάχνεις μόνο indie webcomics η whatever, αλλα excuse to talk about one of my favourite comic books ever I guess

Το Logicomix του Απόστολου Δοξιάδη και του Χρήστου Παπαδημητρίου είναι φανταστικό. Μιλάει για την ζωή του μαθηματικού Bertrand Russell, για την κατάσταση που ήταν ο τομέας των μαθηματικών της εποχ��ς, and uses this as a vessel to discuss philosophical questions. A mix of history and philosophy with just a tinge of maths on top for spice, absolutely recommend giving it a read

Ωωω το έχω δει τριγύρω σε βιβλιοπωλεία το Logicomix αλλά δε το έχω διαβάσει ακόμη, ευχαριστώ για την πρόταση! Ακούγεται ενδιαφέρον

Για τη λίστα ψάχνω γενικότερα κόμικς από έλληνες καλλιτέχνες, όλα τα είδη είναι ευπρόσδεκτα

[tiuhtaviuhta]

9 books

@missanniewhimsy challenged me to list 9 of my favourite books, which caused a full blown identity crisis! but hey, here's my picks in no particular order of the books that I could think of (which is why it's mostly books that I have in my bookshelf. I have a shit memory, ok?)

The Brideshaw revisited - Evelyn Waugh

Hocus Pocus - Kurt Vonnegut

Planet word - J. P. Davidson

Tawny man trilogy - Robin Hobb (Literally impossible to pick just one)

The Secret history - Donna Tartt (also The Goldfinch but The Secret history altered my brain chemistry when I was a teenager so. yeah.)

The Lord of the rings trilogy - J.R.R.Tolkien

Wee free men - Terry Pratchett

Short history of nearly everything - Bill Bryson

Logicomix, an epic search for truth - Apostolos Doxiadis, Christos H. Papadimitriou (art by Alecos Papadatos and Annie Di Donna)

Honorary mention to Teemestarin kirja (Memory of Water) by Emmi Itäranta that got me interested in Finnish literature again and Pienen hauen pyydystys (Fishing for the little pike) by Juhani Karila that I'm in the middle of reading and quite like so far.

I'm quite curious what books @n3ongold3n, @blatantescapism, @ruusupuu, @lavenderferns, @huomenhaamu, @nowendil, @indigorally, @doppelbangin, @kaiyonohime and @senisti would name for this challenge! It is the perfect season for book recs after all.

[koraesrambles]

KORAES SUPER DUPER COMIC READING CHALLENGE 2024

Alright, I've decided to set a goal for myself. I've been binge reading comics for over a year but only of a specific variety and it's time to expand my tastes. Especially since OUTCAST ODYSSEY is updating on webtoons. The more comics I read, the better my own comic should be, right? I mean, supposedly.

I decided to read 100 of the top graphic novels on goodreads. The list spans all ages and genres, so there's going to be some VARIETY here. There are some graphic novels I've already read (like Maus or Calvin and Hobbes) that I didn't include. I dunno if I could handle reading Maus again (It stabs you in the heart, twists it and pulls it from your chest still beating, but instead of being happy about it like I am with fiction it's soured by the realization that this actually happened and then I want to die).

Here's the list I copy and pasted from Goodreads. If you don't see your favorite on here, add it! I need to read all of the things!

Watchmen

V for Vendetta

Batman the Dark Night Returns

Saga

The Complete Persepolils

The Sandman

Y: The Last Man

Batman: Year One

Batman: The Long Halloween

The Walking Dead

Preacher

Sin City

Locke & Key

The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

Fables

From Hell

Blankets

Fun Home: A family tragicomic

The Arrival

Haven

The Far Side Gallery

Marvels

Kick-Ass

Habibi

Batman: Arkham Asylum

Pride of Baghdad

Cult Girls

The Crow

The Absolute Batman: Hush

Chew

Amulet

X-men: The Dark Pheonix

American Born Chinese

The Umbrella Academy

Kingdom Come

The Absolute Death

Marvel 1602

Sweet Tooth

The Cartoon History of the Universe

Transmetropolitan

Superman: Red Son

All Star Superman

The Ultimates

The Unwritten

Runaways

Astonishing X-Men: Ultimate

Buffy the Vampire Slayer

Planetary

Wolverine: Origin

Identity Crisis

Black Hole: A graphic novel

Spider-Man: Blue

Hellboy: Library Edition

The Books of Magic

Astonishing X-Men

Lone Wolf & Cub

Anita Blake: Vampire Hunter

300

Squee

Rat Queens

The Uncanny X-Men: Days of Future Past

Monstress

Wolverine: Weapon X

The Wicked + the Divine

Captain America: Winter Soldier

My Friend Dahmer

Blake Orchid

Dr. 2

Once Upon a Time

Superman: Secret Identity

Asterios Polyp

Ex-Machina

Domu: A Child's Dream

One Piece

Civil War

Mouse Guard

Summer Blonde

Desolation Jones: Made in England

I Kill Giants

Pumpkin Heads

The Wolves in the Walls

The Batman Adventures: Mad Love

Through the Woods

Absolute Dark Knight

Lenore

The Fountain

The Eternal Smile: Three Stories

The Unbeatable Squirrel Girl

Death Note

Girl Genius

Wonderstruck

The Tragical Comedy or Comical Tragedy of Mr. Punch

Happy New Year

Logicomix: An Epic Search for Truth

Skooter Girl

Daytripper

A Little Prince in the Land of the Mullahs

Absolute Justice

Wanted

Velvet

Obviously, a lot of these are series, and I'm not going to read the whole series of every book on this list. If I like it enough, I might continue it for fun, but it won't count toward the list. I'll cross the title off as I finish them and write up my thoughts. Cuz what's the point if I don't post an analysis, right?

[ontologic-catgirl]

Logicomix: An Epic Search for Truth, is a very good graphic novel covering Bertrand Russel and some mathematical philosophy

A History of Western philosophy by Bertrand Russel is a great summary of lots of philosophers, good jumping off point to find ones

I feel you would enjoy reading Kierkegard, perhaps Fear and Trembling as he really hates the Dutch church and has some fun theology

Not necessarily where Id start but Being and Nothingness by Sarte is just a full of fun mental tools to use when you read it.

Red Skins White masks is modern philosophy but excellently done and very relevant to the world right now

In video format Philosohytube on youtube is well put together entertaining and has some videos covering among other topics stoicism that contain good bibliographies for further reading.

(also not somewhere I'd start per say, but Parmenides on nature is a fun translation to do and marks a movement in mystic philosophy from Greece)

Looking to get into philosophy does anyone have any thoughts for beginners?

[not-so-bored]

15 January 2024, Monday  

Things I have done:

🤩 Philosophy 

🗒 Literature Revision (4 questions) 

💧 Drops: Dutch 

🦉 Duolingo: Dutch 

🎶 Dancing in my room (15 minutes) 

🧠 Meditation (5 minutes)

📚 Collection of stories by Olga Tokarczuk 

📚🤩 Logicomix: An Epic Search for Truth by Apostolos Doxiadis and Christos Papadimitriou

Winter Studying Challenge 

15th January - Would you rather wear a winter jacket in the summer or a bathing suit in the winter?

A winter jacket in the summer, definitely. I used to wear at least two layers of clothing, with one of them being a hoodie, regardless of the weather conditions. I’m glad I don’t feel the need to do that anymore, but I guess I would manage. 

January study challenge 

halfway—did you make any / have you kept up with your new years resolutions?

I'm doing well enough, acceptably. 

[felsefebilim]

Mantık ve Delilik

“İkimiz de iyi ilerliyorduk fakat bu entellektüel maceranın tüm kahramanları çıldırdı...”

Bu cümle Gian-Carlo Rota’nın Ayrık Düşünceler aklı eserinde yer alıyor. Rota, burada entellektüel maceradan bahsederken matematiği ve mantığı temellendirmekten söz ediyor.

Rota, önemli bir matematikçiydi. Kendisi makalesinde matematik ve mantık temelleri arayan kişilerden, çalışmalarından ve düştükleri durumdan bahseder. Buna kaynak olarak da 20. yüzyılın önemli mantıkçılarından bazılarının hayatlarının bir döneminde akıl hastanesinde kalmış olmalarını almıştır. Ona göre bu bir tesadüf değildir (Cantor, Zermelo, Kurt Godel, E.Post bunlardan en bilinenleridir)  ve mantık ile delilik arasında bir ilişki vardır. Bunun nedeni olarak da; mantıkçılar kesinlikle mutlak arıyorlardır ve ya sizi çıldırtabilir ya da mutlak bulabileceğinizi düşünmek kesinlikle vaktinden önce deli olduğunuz anlamına gelir görüşü hakimdir...

[takeabookatthis]

I have come to believe that graphic novels can make even the most dreaded of topics accessible and Logicomix is proof. The biography of arguably one of the greatest analytical philosophers of the 20th century, Bertrand Russell, posits logic and madness as its central theme and turns it into a chicken and egg dilemma. Creator Apostolos Doxiadis shows Bertrand Russell as the modern Prometheus, exploring his life-long quest for absolute certainty and revealing the inevitable tragedy of it. The book is co-authored by Christos Papadimitriou—a computer science professor at Berkley, who renders simplicity and clarity to the otherwise frightful subject of Mathematics. A lot is going on here— three timelines, inner demons, self-references, paradoxes, wives, mistresses, melodrama, and mania. You also get to meet Gottlob Frege, David Hilbert, and Kurt Gödel among other logicians, and the bromance between Russell and Ludwig Wittgenstein is unmissable.

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I’m reading Logicomix by Apostolos Doxiadis and Christos Papadimitriou. Pick it up if you enjoy philosophy or mathematics or graphic novels or hero stories. 

[whole-dip]

The Truth about Lewis Carrol

Alright y'all, history time.

Lewis Carrol, real name Charles Dodgson, wrote the book we now know as Alice in Wonderland a really long time ago as basically a gift for Alice Liddell. Dodgson, a devout academic of math, was more or less an uncle figure for Alice and her younger sister. It was common for him, an unmarried man, and his friend/colleague to take Alice and her sister out for fun days to give her parents a break. On one such occasion, he and his colleague were taking the Liddell girls on a boat ride and they asked him to tell them a story. So he did. And he made it up on the spot because that's what people do when they have to tell a child a story. Alice was the main character, not for any reason other than him making up the story on the spot. He told it to her over the course of two days, and then she later asked him to write the story down for her. He cleaned it up, bound it, and sent it to her.

He showed it to his publisher (he had previously published multiple math writings) and they published it as a nonsense book for children, the kind that was filled with silliness for silliness' sake that kids tended to like. The book was a success and he later wrote a sequel, Through the Looking Glass (that in my opinion isn't very good).

There is no evidence that Dodgson was on any drugs whatsoever during the writing. In fact, all associations of the book with drugs comes from a Hanna Barbera PSA that related the characters to different types of drugs, as well as the song White Rabbit. Both of these works show a very clear lack of understanding of the book, and I'm inclined to say that both seem to have barely even read it, if at all. There's also the abysmal book, Go Ask Alice, which also seems to have no understanding of the book at all.

If you do want a sinister touch to the story, Dodgson was likely a pedophile. Dodgson was very close to the Liddell family and one day out of nowhere he was banned from any interaction with the family whatsoever. In Dodgson's journals he clearly expressed desire to marry Alice, who I believe at the time of these writing was around the age of twelve. It is unknown why he was barred from seeing the family but one can assume. I will say though, that age of consent and age of marriage was different at the time and I think the cultural context may be an element at play that I don't feel informed or comfortable enough to comment on.

Dodgson was also an early adopter of photography, his favorite subjects were young girls, in cherub like poses.

So then, what is the book about? I am of the opinion that it really and truly is about nothing. Yes there's comedy and puns in it, and it really is pretty funny, but I don't think it's "about" something. Having said that, the interpretation I found that holds the most water is that it's about math. Dodgson was a known mathematician and at the time of writing there were certain rumblings in mathematics that, to put it short, half believe that math was inherently flawed as a system, and half believed that anyone who saw math as flawed simply didn't understand math. Dodgson was one of those that believed math was infallible (turns out he was wrong but that's another story). Allegedly a lot of the nonsense silliness in the book is a burn towards those that didn't believe in math.

After all that you may be wondering, "Why do I still feel there's a sinister edge to the book that I can't place, despite the fact that you've fully explained how every sinister element I thought was there comes from my fundamental misunderstanding of the book and the history around it?"

Well, it's because you're stupid.

[typologos-com]

Logicomix, ένα αγαπημένο βιβλίο της εφηβικής μου ηλικίας…

 Δείτε το, στην ιστοσελίδα του "Τυπολόγου" Typologos   

Οι σκέψεις της Μαρίας 

Με τη Μαρία Σκαμπαρδώνη 

[yeralinti]

OTOMATİK PORTAKAL - ANTHONY BURGESS

[florirsofia]

[balburder]

[Vem comigo] Logicomics

Logicomix – A matemática em quadrinhos* As funções estavam bebendo no bar tranquilamente quando, de repente, apareceu uma derivada na porta. Então as funções começaram a gritar como loucas e correr para todos os lados, tentando se esconder. Depois de alguns minutos de confusão, a derivada observa uma função bebendo num canto, sozinha, tranquila. Ela se aproxima e diz: “Não tem medo de mim não?”.…

[seeingtheworldasitis20]

Book recommendation: Logicomix. Biographies of Bertrand Russell and many renowned philosophers of 19th-20th century. Written by Apostolos Doxiadis, and Christos Papadimitriou. Illustrated by Alecos Papadatos and Annie Di Donna.

[bomberoesmipasion]

Logicomix.

Apostolos Doxiadis / Christos Papadimitriou / Alexos Papadatos / Annie Di Donna

[anniedido]

Une selection de pages de Logicomix, roman graphique, publié aux USA par Bloomsbury et en France par La Librairie Vuibert, 2008 et 2009. Traduit en 28 langues.