#scipio antares

[ulircursed]

♡ ok but I'm actually genuinely curious as to what Andrei himself would think of how his situation would change in this situation KSHDKDB

from this picrew!

a new child in jugdral-verse? yup, but hold tight, this au is my wildest one yet. there's another child too, but i'll talk about the other kid when it comes up

cw for rape

unlike the other jugdral asks where i just went crazy on my own, a few sensitive details were discussed a little with erica bc of the topic at hand. so deirdre and andrei have a precanon thread currently going on, where the two of them meet and have a meal and it's their first time hanging out just the two of them. in it, deirdre thanks andrei for, and i quote, 'dealing with one of the men who killed [her] father'. that's ring! andrei freaks out internally, of course, though he is able to salvage the situation to an extent

now, what if that meeting went well enough (in deirdre's mind) that they had more meetings? andrei is on one hand extremely uncomfortable with her, but on the other hand, this is exactly what he wants!! think about what it does for yngvi's reputation if the duke has a direct and personal friendship with the princess and future queen of grannvale!!! this is excellent and great and he cannot possibly refuse this. so he agrees to every single meeting, and talks to her, and they form some sort of friendship thing. at this point andrei's mental health is a mere thread away from utterly insane by the way. surely this will end well, right?

(oh yeah, at this point, andrei does already marry antares and have scipio. scipio is not involved in this mess and is the exact same as he is in canon)

it all comes to a head at one meeting, where deirdre confesses to him that she is ready to have children with lord arvis. she thinks she's ready, finally, thanks to the support and friendship of those around her, including andrei! she mentions something about ring again, and andrei snaps. i've mentioned it before, but andrei resents arvis for (as far as he knows) heading the conspiracy plot, because without it none of this would've had to happen. and so, upon hearing that arvis is about to get what he wants with the woman he loves, andrei forces himself upon deirdre

he comes to his senses after the deed is done, and apologizes profusely, begging her for his life essentially. he says that he will die if word of this ever gets out, and deirdre agrees to keep it a secret. and she does! until. she gets pregnant. i won't go into detail about when/whether she and arvis would've consummated their marriage at this point, but as erica points out, deirdre is not good at hiding her emotions and will eventually tell arvis about it as soon as he asks, so even if being pregnant was potentially expected, the secret would've gotten out at some point during the pregnancy

for his crimes, andrei is publicly executed and yngvi falls into disgrace. antares, already not a noble (this is purely my hc but andrei married a non-noble claiming to have minor ullr blood to have scipio), gets kicked out of yngvi along with scipio, and they go live their non-noble lives somewhere else

anyway, deirdre is pregnant! with twins! manfroy is kinda frustrated, bc he wanted her to have kids with arvis, dammit. but she's of course gonna keep the babies, so they are born. julia is still julia, just with major naga and minor ullr instead of fjalar blood. but her older brother, get this—

name: julio

gender: male (he/him)

class: prince > master knight minus bows and sword

minor ullr, minor loptous

tiptoes around his 'father', whom he's aware isn't really his father. has developed some chronic people-pleaser tendencies because on some level, he feels like his and his sister's existence broke something in this household and that he's not meant to exist. good at charming the staff! very polite for a noble scion

protective of his sister, mostly because of the above reason. the twins grow up really close! julia is the only one that julio feels he can show his true feelings around

they stay in the velthomer household as part of the family upon deirdre's insistence, which isn't terrible because they get a loving mother growing up, but also isn't great because they have to interact with arvis. arvis isn't abusive or anything, but everything about these kids brings back his trauma re: victor so his mental health is just not great in general. they try to avoid each other wherever possible

he's set up to become the duke of yngvi, or whatever that territory is gonna be called if that whole house ends up being dissolved. he works really hard in his youth, but doesn't pick up the bow because he can sense that his 'father' is really really not ok with that. forgoes the sword too, while he's at it, because his 'father' doesn't seem too pleased with that either. he knows how to fence and stuff, but not horseback sword usage. he learns magic though, magic is a-ok in this household

deirdre isn't blamed for this incident, because andrei was the one who initiated the whole thing, and the twins are... yeah, they're bastards, but they're the blood of the legitimate royal family, so it's not like they can be killed or anything. anyway, at this point, sigurd gets to belhalla and arvis cooks him twice as hard as in canon because at this point he's pissed off at anyone who's ever had kids with deirdre, but it's not like anyone can tell because no one knows how hard he cooked sigurd in canon so they just think wow his meteor spell is that strong

manfroy urges them to try again, and tbh azmur wants fully legitimate grandkids too, so according to erica, they do! because deirdre loves arvis and everything. but you know, holy blood weirdness and all that, their kid (let's call him julius) is born with fjalar blood and naga blood but not loptous blood. manfroy, extremely frustrated now, tells them to try AGAIN, and this time, uh, deirdre dies in childbirth and the child doesn't survive. listen, this is kid #5 ok i don't think health care was that good at that time. as an extra screw u to manfroy, maybe this kid would've had major loptous had they survived. but they didn't

manfroy's plans fail! julio becomes the new duke of yngvi and arvis just tries to avoid looking at him. julia is married off to one of the neighboring countries (i had to google what happened to illegitimate children of nobility/royalty and the answers were... this basically). julius becomes duke of velthomer and the heir to the throne. seliph can come in and fix some things about this, but loptous isn't one of his problems for once. everyone is either happy or dead! if julio ends up fighting febail, he will die to febail and his cousin will become the new duke of yngvi, but he doesn't have special dialogue with any of them because who tf are these people. the end.

bonus: thank u to erica for suggesting this route btw

[wheatskers]

I saw @commander-soup‘s amazing voice claim video and wanted to throw together voice claims of some of my ocs as well. Now y’all can hear what my goblins sound like.

[starlightervarda]

Hi! I have a question about Joe's laqab in the comics, al-Tayyib. How and when would that name be used? Would it be like a nickname, something people would call him on a day to day basis? Like "Hello, al-Tayyib, how's it going" etc.? Or is it more like "Catherine the Great" or "Charles the Bald," i.e. a name you wouldn't use when addressing the person?

Hi nonny!

                                       JOE’S NAME

Alqab aren’t exactly nicknames, not in the modern sense like, well, ‘Joe’. They’re more like adjectives/epithets/descriptive titles that are attached to the name, similar to a Roman cognomen. It wouldn’t be something you casually use but mostly as you refer to, identify or introduce someone important.

Think of it like Richard the Lionheart, Ivar the Boneless, Haroun al-Rashid (Aaron the Rightly-Guided/Just), etc. so Joe would have been referred to as Yusuf al-Tayyib - translated to Joseph the Kind - perhaps it was given to him during the Crusades for being a commander who cared for the civilians in Jerusalem?

But one-on-one he’d just be Yusuf.

It can be used as Al-Tayyib Al-Kaysani (some tend to be actually born with names like that) or Al-Tayyib Yusuf or just Al-Tayyib those all really depends on who and what he is. BUT using that title as a name tends to be if you’re someone noteworthy, culturally, religiously or politically important, a commander/king/prince/caliph/champion, or sometimes, maybe, a poet (ex. Attar, who was a pharmacist so his laqab ‘attar means ‘apothecary/perfumer’), so everyone knows who you mean when you say it. If it goes as far as replacing your name, then you have to be someone who’s really made your mark like the warrior-poet ‘Antar bin Shaddad, whose real name was apparently Maher.

Also like a cognomen, historically you refer to these figures by their laqab, like how the one that defeated Hannibal became Scipio Africanus, and it can be inherited by your descendants like Cicero / Al-Rashid. 

I feel like the name Al-Kaysani itself was originally a laqab, maybe given to his grandfather, which became a surname.

I should also mention that in a Modern AU this would not be a thing anymore. Not unless he had an ancestor who had that title attached and it became their last name instead of Al-Kaysani. A lot of current surnames did derive from an ancestor’s laqab. The term in a modern sense mostly refers to occupational terms like professors, admiral, prime minister, prince, priest, etc.

Also, in a Modern AU, he wouldn’t have his nasab either - the ‘bin/son of‘ part of his name. Since in Arabic naming conventions there are no middle names, he’d need to legally list out what’s called a tertiary or quaternary name i.e. three or four names in birth-order, so either Yusuf Ibrahim Al-Kaysani or Yusuf Ibrahim Muhammad Al-Kaysani. If he’s born abroad then he may just have his father’s name as a middle name, or even an entirely different name with that option.

If you want to still include it, you could make Al-Tayyib his mother’s surname since MENA women keep their maiden names.

Hope this helps!

[wheatskers]

Decided to make another crime network for some rp things so here are Sunny and Antares. Antares is the boss of a network called The Red Market which offers whatever pleasures you might desire and Sunny is his lieutenant.