#the relationship between undertower and frances causing me physical harm every damn day

[cedric-k-rossignol]

So far from what I have seen in the fandom the people who don't like " the undertaker's grandfather theory" are people who ship Vincent and Undertaker , also some people are against it because the timeline doesn't make any sense ?? Which I disagree with . The most logical argument I saw is that if he was the grandfather why he doesn't care about what happened to Lizzy and Francis and Edward after all they do have Phantomhive blood too . He got Lizzy involved with the whole blue cult even though he knew the cult was actively killing people .

Ah yep, that's definitely another reason to dislike the theory.

Yeah I had a anon timeline doubter. But to me, they seemed convinced that Undertaker would have to have been human when he and Claudia conceived Vincent, and that was the only reason the timeline didn't work. Why are people soooooo against a dead dude getting someone pregnant 🙄😂 but I already covered the sleeping/eating/bleeding thing.

"The most logical argument I saw is that if he was the grandfather why he doesn't care about what happened to Lizzy and Francis and Edward after all they do have Phantomhive blood too"

You know what... Fair enough. Thinking back, the timeline anon mentioned this too. At a surface level, Undertaker's treatment of Frances and her children when compared to Vincent and his children is sort of a head-scratcher if he's their father/grandfather. And it's kind of lame of me to respond with "but have they considered Undertaker is insane?" but like actually...

You do have to consider the ✨mental illness✨ of it all.

Undertaker's relationship with Frances is so important to me because it's so messed up. His lack of connection with the child who is so much like him, in looks and in personality, is tragically realistic when you consider that Undertaker hates himself. Meanwhile we know that Vincent looks like Claudia, and I think their personalities were very similar; Undertaker would have connection with Vincent more easily, and he probably found comfort in that relationship in the aftermath of Claudia's death.

Not to excuse his behavior. I've made it clear I'm not handing Undertaker any father-of-the-year awards lmao. But where others see indifference between Frances and Undertaker, I see a lot of pain and resentment - and underneath all of that, love. It's not a boring motivator people!!! Love is complicated and families are complicated, especially a family as afflicted with tragedy as the Phantomhives.

But, I can see how just taking that moment between Frances and Undertaker at face value leaves you doubting he is her father... Even though he mentions he was around when she was born 🤦 like I'm sorry maybe I'm too deep in the Kool-aid, it is just so blatant to me!

As for his treatment of his grandkids... 🤦🤦🤦🤦 See him throwing Ciel into the air on the Campania. Lizzie at least knows how to defend herself (using the same skills Undertaker taught Frances imo - fencing, while very different from modern fencing, did exist in 14th century France as a form of military training).

In conclusion, Undertaker should definitely be banned from babysitting unsupervised. Thanks for the ask anon 💙