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[felassan]

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[suth-sardian]

V-Day!

[selineram3421]

can I make a request for an Alastor x reader? Where y/n is Husk's sibling and Alastor won't stop flirting with y/n and Husk is just not having it? (And the rest of the HH crew are just in the background shipping Alastor and y/n)

*swipes up* Cat Demon Reader!!!! FUCK YEAH!

Hissy Kitty

Prologue

Alastor X Reader

Warnings⚠

⚠ cussing, protective older brother Husk, Alastor loves annoying your brother, italics = thoughts ⚠

Husk was very protective of you and made sure you were taken care of. In Living and afterlife, he kept you out of his "business" to keep you safe.

Of course you surprise him by showing up at the hotel.

"What the fuck are you doing here!?"

"Surprise!", you cheered and gave your older brother a hug.

He didn't want you anywhere near his work. It was too risky. You would have been made a target. He didn't want HIM to know about you.

"Answer the question.", he grumbled but hugged you back.

"I haven't seen you in a while and I just wanted to-", you began, pulling back a bit from the hug, taking a look around the hotel lobby that was behind him.

"Look, I'll call you and tell you all about it but you need to go before-", he tried to get you to leave quickly.

"Husker!"

Shit.

He was pissed that he was too late.

"What are you doing trying to chase a guest out?", the demon in red walked over and pulled you into the hotel. "We are trying to invite them in."

"This one ain't looking to stay in the hotel!", your brother hissed and tried to pull you away from the red dressed demon.

You were suddenly spun and dipped by the man in red. It shocked you so much that you held onto the red demon tightly.

"Welcome to the Hazbin Hotel! I am Alastor the facility manager.", Alastor grinned as he gazed down at you. "And who might you be?"

Such an adorable thing. He thought when seeing your ears pinned back and eyes having turned into slits, his grin widening when he noticed Husk getting angrier.

"Um..can you let me up now? This is a very weird way of greeting..", you squirmed, your tail flicking in annoyance.

After letting you go, Alastor took note of how bristled up the fur of his acquaintance was.

How interesting..

"Forgive me dear, I can get quite theatrical.", he laughed and fixed his bowtie. "And your name?"

"I'm-"

"Not staying.", Husk cut in. "They only came to see me, now back off."

"What the hell, can't I greet a demon?", you huffed.

Your brother pulls you away to speak in private.

"Not this one! This prick is someone I don't want you hanging around with.", he whispered growled, putting his hands on your shoulders. "Go home, put some wards or some shit for protection and don't come back here again!"

"Damn it Husk!", you slapped his hands away. "I came here to check up on you!"

Alastor stays where he is to enjoy the show. Glancing to the side when seeing Angel step into the lobby.

"Its been years! I haven't heard from you until two weeks ago about this place. Where have you been!? Do you know how worried I was!?"

"Psst! Smiles! Who the fuck is kitty whiskers?", the spider asks.

"Haven't the faintest idea but this argument is getting amusing.", he responds.

"I told you that I moved! That should be enough!", Husk gestured to the hotel.

"Yeah, its nice to know you're alive but you could have at least told me how you've been! Did you make any new friends? Did you drink until you blacked out again? Something else for fucks sake!", you yelled.

"I'm alive!", your brother yelled back. "I drank yesterday!", he pushed you towards the door. "I don't have friends!", he opened the door. "Now leave!"

"Tsk tsk!", Alastor tutted and used his shadows to pull you away from the door, moving you into his hold. "They are our guest, even if they are just visiting Husker~"

The Radio Demon's smile growing bigger when he saw the cat clench his fists.

"You are welcome to visit anytime to see this-", the red demon gestures to your brother. "-hissy kitty that you know."

"Ha!", you quickly covered your mouth to keep your laugh silent.

"A smile! Finally!", Alastor leaned closer to you. "I'd like to see it if you don't mind."

"Back off!", Husk pushed the red dressed demon away and took your hand. "Come on, I'll show you around."

"I can stay!?", you asked your brother.

"Only for a few hours!", he replied.

You stayed longer than a few hours.

Charlie had caught wind and was excited to meet you.

Husk drank from his bottle, watching as you talked to the Princess and Vaggie. The two were hooked on whatever story you were telling.

"So Husky~", Angel slid over.

"Don't you fucking call me that ever again.", the cat grumbled before continuing to drink.

"Who's the new cat strolling about?", the spider asked. "I've never seen you so pushy with someone before~ Are they an ex?"

"None of your business and ew. Fuck no.", Husk wiped his mouth after he finished the bottle. "Forget about them. They need to leave anyway.", he said before walking over to you.

.

"Hi Husk!", you waved as you entered the hotel.

"Fucking shit. What did you not understand about staying away!?"

You had a smug grin and pranced over to him.

"Can't really stay away from where I work~", you said and showed your employment papers.

"What.", your brother growled.

"While I was talking to the Princess during the tour, you stepped out for a bit and I told her I wanted to work here!", you beamed, cat tail swaying calmly. "So now I can't leave! Yay!"

"Are you fucking stupid!?", Husk yelled.

"Now Husker.", Alastor appeared from the shadows behind you, placing a hand on your shoulder. "That is no way to talk to your fellow coworker."

The Radio Demon smiled cheekily when seeing the cat demon's fur bristle in anger.

"Let's show you all of the staff rooms!", he said suddenly and turned you towards the stairs. "There are quite a few closets littered about for cleaning supplies! For now that is what you'll do with Niffty until the Princess can think of where to put you."

"Is there any cleaning supplies?", you asked a little suspicious.

"Haven't a clue! But let's find out!"

You were near Alastor most of the day.

Husk actually followed you both until the "tour" ended.

"And that is all of the cleaning closets so far!", the red man grinned.

All of you were now standing in one of the many hallways. The fourth floor if you remember.

"Thank you for pointing them out.", you removed his hand from your shoulder. "Little less of that if you don't mind."

"Oh! I didn't even notice.", Alastor held his hands behind his back. "Do remind me if I slip again."

Husk quickly took you away from the red demon and walked you towards the lobby.

"Look, I'm glad you're here. Really. But its not safe for you to be around that smiling asshole.", your brother hissed.

"Husk, I'm not as clueless as you think I am.", you sigh and shook his arm off. "I'll keep myself safe.", you finish and walk away.

The cat demon stayed behind, groaning as he slides his hand down his face, feeling on edge, tired, and annoyed all at once.

"I've never seen you around a demon like them~", Alastor appears from the shadows. "And you're so protective!", he walks in front of the cat demon. "What a good older brother you are.", he leans back and spins his head to look at the demon.

"Don't you fucking try anything!", Husk threatens.

The Radio Demon laughs and stands up straight. "We'll have to go over our deal again!", he says while fixing his coat. "I hope you added their protection in."

"You piece of shit-!", Husk extends his claws and opens his wings up.

"I must be off! Who knows what trouble the guests have gotten into already!", Alastor walks away from the angry cat.

The Radio Demon hummed as he walked down the hallway, a slight skip in his step as his smile grew wider.

Oh how entertaining~

I love cats💕 Also this is turning into a short story because Husk is gonna be hella pissed.

~Seline, the person.

Part 1

Taglist@

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ML for Alastor🎙 | ChL for HK😾

[redr0sewrites]

HEAR ME OUT HEAR ME OUT.

you know shadow milks female form.

scissoring...f... Scissorijg with fem shadow milk 🤤

📎 A/n: I SWEAR SOME OF U ARE INSIDE MY BRAIN GRRRR THIS IS SO YUM

📎 Cw: smut, fem!shadow milk cookie, pre established relationship, degrading, tribbing/scissoring, pwnp, reader is afab

📎 dividers

the sounds of the soft, sloppy click of your cunt against hers combined with your own salacious moans are the only noises in the luscious bedroom belonging to your lover. to you, Shadow Milk Cookie is always seemingly effortlessly attractive, but a few weeks ago, you'd accompanied him on a small mission- during which, you got to see another side of your lover for the first time- one of his alternate forms... a female one. seeing his female form had sparked an... interest, of sorts, inside you- a desperate, hasty sort of desire that had fermented for days until you'd finally blurted out your willingness to try that specific form in bed.

at the time, you had been hopelessly embarrassed, partly from your partner's teasing and partly from your loss of all remaining dignity, but that embarrassment doesn't even cross your mind as you slowly grind against her. fuck, had it all been worth it.

"look at me," Shadow Milk's voice snaps you back to the present. her command is teasing, yet strained, as she clenches against you.

"hh- lost in thought again, poppet? am i not interesting enough for you?"

you shake your head, leaning in close to melt into the crook of her head.

"answer me," she coos as thin, sharp fingernails trace up your spine.

"n-no ma'am," you mumble, heat rising to your cheeks. "was thinking 'bout you." your words are slurred from pleasure and need, and your thighs are already trembling as they frame hers. shes been teasing you all night, and you desperately want to reach your release. just the sight of her poised figure and perky breasts are arousing enough, but the dominant side that seems to be revealed along with this form is certainly doing it for you as well.

"oh? care to indulge me in your fantasies?" Shadow Milk Cookie rolls her hips abruptly against yours and you whine as your clits' kiss, rubbing together in tandem. she lets out a soft moan, indulging in the pleasure of it all as you stumble over your words.

"i was just thinking about you in general," you mewl, grinding against her with increased fervor. "nothing specific..."

one of Shadow Milk Cookie's hands finds purchase on your waist, while the other rises up, up, up to the back of your neck, firmly holding you in place against her. she finally begins to roll her hips with force, setting a slow but firm pace as she rocks against you. with a sigh, she leans in close to whisper in your ear.

"how boring... i haven't even made you come and your already so needy... but i suppose you're pretty cunt is doing all the speaking for you, hm?" you flush at her vulgar words, squirming in her grip as she holds you tight. you twitch and whine in her grasp as your pussy flutters against her, your hips moving almost automatically as you grind, and the wanton sound of skin slapping against skin combined with the smell of sex overwhelms your senses.

Shadow Milk's pace is unrelenting as she forces your hips together, the messy squelch making you flush at the vulgarity. you can already feel the coil in your stomach tightening, and you clench hard around nothing as you begin to practically hump against your partner. your juices mix as you hrind, spilling between you onto the already stained sheets. Shadow Milk mocks your eagerness, but her own voice is strained with arousal.

"h-hahh, are you close, doll?"

"ffuck, yes!" you stutter out, hips shaking as your clit pulses with each vigorous roll of your hips. "please... please can i...."

"you can cum," Shadow Milk hisses through gritted teeth, her own orgasm approaching rapidly. her words of approval send you over the edge and you cum with a vivacious moan, throwing your head back and rocking your hips with all your might, riding through your high. Shadow Milk Cookie cums in tandem with you, her own mewls of pleasure mixing with your own like a symphony as you both let your orgasms wash over you.

it takes several minutes for you to be fairly certain of your own consciousness, and you collapse backwards against the mattress. your cunt slides against your lovers with a sticky squelch as you pull away, and you whine in overstimulation. however, Shadow Milk Cookie looks at you with narrow, lustful eyes. you lay down on the pillows as you catch your breath, and she takes the opportunity to crawl on top of you, giving you a delicious show of her body. you gasp as she straddled you, inky blue hair falling weightlessly down her body and chest heaving with each breath.

"aw, you didn't think we were done, did you?"

GRRRRR NEED HER BAD. sorry this is short but URGH its been rotting in my brain rver since ive got this ask. i swear i got possessed when writing this. also the theme for this fic (like the banner) is so ass IM SORRYYY THERES NO GOOD CANON PHOTOS OF HER</3 also pls send in shmilk, pv, or black sapphire asks PLEASEEE <3

[clown-demon]

"Sadly, me being a casualty in the war is impossible.. It's not because I think I am the only one who should survive of an ability user-- but simply because... anyone who kills me, I will subsume their body and they will become me.. So whoever is to kill me, I'll just become them. So as you can imagine-- me dying in this war would not work out..."

All he would do would swap bodies around. Basically jump from body to body. Which is why instead of participating, he was going to go back home and sleep.. Probably sleep for a very long time.

The 'demon' tilted his head some, "Oh, merely content? You do not enjoy it here at all? I can imagine so being Hell.. But I would think that hellborn demons wouldn't mind Hell and even enjoy it, while sinners would simply suffer eternal damnation..."

"So your plan is to eradicate your own kind to achieve peace." Leave it to humans, abilities or no to come up with something so twisted. No wonder so many ended up in Hell. "If that is your goal, then do you plan to also be a casualty in this war? Are you not, after all, an ability user?" Would he go to such lengths and include himself?

This soul was interesting, and he made a mental note to snatch it before any overlord when he lands in Hell.

"Enjoyment is such a strong term; I believe contentment is better." While he had qualms about his family, and parts of the goetian hierarchy, he had no complaints overall.

[saywhat-politics]

Attempting to eliminate funding for certain kinds of “woke” studies, the Trump administration erased hundreds of millions of dollars being used for cancer research.

WHEN DONALD TRUMP moved back into the White House, the United States was years into its Cancer Moonshot, a multibillion-dollar Democratic effort to halve cancer deaths by 2047. There was a kind of stalemate: New cases of the disease were emerging about as often as before; deaths were ticking steadily lower; the US Food and Drug Administration was approving new treatments, if not quite as quickly as anyone wanted. But the taps of federal funding were open as never before, from the Department of Defense to the Environmental Protection Agency to the largest funder of cancer research in the world, the National Institutes of Health.

But then Trump decided that American science research was, somehow, too woke. He paused NIH grant-making for more than two months, holding up an estimated $1.5 billion in funding. He effectively halted clinical trials of new drugs. He laid off thousands of employees at the FDA, the NIH, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. At the Department of Veterans Affairs, an estimated $35 million in already-funded research—including for cancer—was thrown into jeopardy when Trump instituted a hiring freeze. At the EPA, staff were instructed to cancel existing grants, including to the Health Effects Institute, which has published research on the link between air pollution and cancer. And in the stopgap funding measure, set to expire in September, Republicans cut about 60 percent from the Defense Department’s Congressionally Directed Medical Research Programs—including funding for research on breast and ovarian cancers. (The programs for pancreatic, kidney, and lung cancer disappeared from the agency’s list of funded projects and rolled under another program, which did not receive any additional funding for 2025.) At the National Institutes of Health, some grants resumed and others were slated for termination. The current state of US cancer research could fairly be described as—confusion.

While researchers across the country have lost grants, two of the Trump administration’s political targets— Columbia and Harvard—have been hit especially hard. And across the board, many of these grant terminations appear to be part of the administration’s anti-DEI, anti-trans, and anti-vaccine agendas. Trump officials reportedly maintain a list of “flagged” keywords that they believe should trigger program reviews. In the NIH grants terminated so far, the 50 most common flagged words include trans, expression, diverse, and women. (In a statement following publication, HHS spokesperson William Maloney clarified that the agency is evaluating grants and funding with the goal of "reducing funding for institutions which are more interested in pushing ideological agendas than beneficial medical research.")

[starweaversguidetothehazbinhotel]

I think of this meme often when I stumble across Hazbin shipping discourse and hate.

Say what you want about the Dr Who/Sherlock/Potter Heads era of tumblr. Was it cringe? Yes. Unbelievably so. But the art and community that came from it was amazing.

The way the HH fandom tears into each other over ships that aren’t “canon” is.. baffling to me.

Maybe I’m just too old to understand it. But it all feels so childish. Life is hard and has too many real problems. I don’t see the appeal in fighting over who imaginary characters do/do not sleep with.

I’ve seen this a lot with Alastor’s character specifically. Ace/Aro authors and artist create something based off of their own personal experiences- and get railroaded by other fans- simply because he’s portrayed in a way that doesn’t fit into their personal biases.

Hazbin fans- just because your favorite character is LGBTA doesn’t make you immune to bigoted behavior. Prejudice often disguises itself as public-interest.

Let people be fun. Let them be cringe. Let them make crack and terrible art. AUs, character studies, and crossovers can be the birthplace of amazing things.

I don’t really have a point with all of this. I just think it’s kinda sad how fans are ruining the show for themselves.

[bananadramaaa]

Info Post about my Murder Besties AU

Ok, so I've been getting some questions about where to read my HH human AU comics or from where to start. I've decided to make a PDF document with my 'main' comics for this AU so people won't need to scroll through my fanart blog with all the asks. Of course, I'll update this PDF in the future because my AU is a work in progress. However, this document contains 5 comics and a few illustrations I did as an accompaniment for some asks before. Some of the comics will be added to the file later (Alastor's family, Al and Mimzy's first murders, and one-shot with Mimzy's colleague Sindy).

Here's the link to the file with my Au comics :3

Thank you for your interest and asks about this Human AU! More of it to come soon 💜

Edit: 'Mimzy's First Murder' comic and the one-shot with Mimzy's colleague Sindy(OC) were added to the file :3

[catboymoments]

Loving your Hotel Purgatorium stuff! HH/HB is one of those things that brings up interesting ideas, but does nothing with them.

What gets me the most is the worldbuilding. When it's not contradictory it's flat out boring. The pride ring is just fantasy LA, and not in a nuanced "As above so below" way, it's just LA but slightly more goth.

Seeing you mention that the further down you go the worse the rings get because of how your sin affected other people tells me I'm going to like your version of hell a lot more than Viv's.

THANK YOU!!!!!! Here’s a thing I did earlier about the rings with a transcript!

[justmenoworries]

It's actually insane how obvious the double-standards in the HH-fandom are when it comes to Lilith and Lucifer. I have seen so many people villainize Lilith despite the fact that we know next to nothing about her while putting Lucifer on a pedestal, even though from what we see they're both flawed characters.

"Lilith abandoned Hell to live in Heaven!"

Lucifer straight-up abandoned Hell from day one. Until her disappearance, Lilith was the one doing the actual ruling while Lucifer was making rubber ducks and who knows what else in his workshop.

Lilith was the one inspiring and uplifting their people and making sure that Hell was at least acceptable to live in and not just a dirty hole in the ground. Lucifer never even tried.

We don't know why Lilith went to Heaven or if she has a bigger plan and what that plan might be. But y'all are pretty quick to judge a character who hasn't even had any spoken lines yet.

"Lilith is going to sabotage Charlie!"

We don't know that. Yes, Lute demands of Lilith to stop Charlie's plans for redeeming sinners, but the scene cuts off before we get Lilith's response to that.

And guess what Lilith's very first reaction to Lute telling her to deal with her daughter so that Heaven can stay on top is?

A displeased frown. You could interpret that as her just being annoyed that she has to leave her sunny beach (which is what most HH-fans seem to be going with) but honestly from what we know of Lilith, I think it's more plausible that she's upset about, y'know. This angel trying to strongarm her into stopping her daughter from achieving good societal change for their people.

"Lilith was a bad mother!"

Again, we don't know that.

And seeing how Charlie speaks of her, I don't even think that's true. Whenever Charlie speaks of Lilith it's with fondness and admiration.

Lilith is the person who inspired Charlie to found the Hazbin Hotel.

Lilith is the one whose love for the kingdom of Hell was transferred over to Charlie. Whenever we hear Lucifer talk about the Sinners he rules over, it's with disdain at best.

Yes, she's been absent for a long time in the show's present but let's be honest, how long is seven years for immortal beings? And before that she spent Charlie's entire childhood teaching her daughter to love and cherish Hell and it's inhabitants.

Doesn't really sound like an abusive mom to me.

"Lilith intentionally drove a rift between Charlie and Lucifer!"

This take actually annoys me the most, because there is zero evidence that Lilith ever tried to drive Lucifer and Charlie apart.

HH-fans really like to jump on the one flashback in "More Than Anything" where Lilith takes toddler Charlie from Lucifer to prove that Lilith supposedly tried to drive a wedge between them but I honestly don't see it? Lilith was literally just taking her daughter into her arms, can y'all chill???

Adding onto that, the reason why Charlie's and Lucifer's relationship is strained in the present is because of Lucifer. The show pretty much spells that out for us. Lucifer spent years holed up in his palace instead of talking to or even just supporting his daughter.

And when, after years of radio silence, Charlie makes the first step to reach out because she needs his help, Lucifer not only continuously badmouths her dream and the sinners she's taken under her wing, he flat-out tells her that he doesn't believe in what she's trying to do.

Really, if Lilith wanted Charlie and Lucifer to drift apart, she didn't even need to do much, Lucifer did a fine job alienating his daughter all by himself.

TL;DR It's interesting to see how many people immediately jumped on the Villain Lilith-train, even though everything we see and know about her positions her more as an anti-hero, while Lucifer is the unambiguous poor uwu Good Boi despite the show establishing him as an absent father and an abysmal ruler.

[genericpuff]

Lore Olympus and hazbin hotel/helluva boss are good representations of "it's doesn't matter how polished it looks it's still looks like a turd"

I mean credit to HB/HH, at least it actually materialized, and at least the person in charge of it was someone who has experience in what she was trying to make, even if what she made was ultimately meh at best.

I think it can be summarized best actually from this comment I got in response to a thread I made recently regarding the show-

I do find it kind of funny / interesting seeing Rachel posting the odd animatic every so often, almost like she's trying to show she's willing to learn animation for the sake of the show, but at the same time, I do think she's had some general interest in animation since prior to LO getting a show deal because she's been doing that since the pilot era of the comic. Though I will say, what she's posted have never been actual animations, just animatics / storyboarded frames like a comic page turning vs. actual movement-

That said, compared to Vivzie, she definitely doesn't have enough actual know-how of animation to be of any real help to the production beyond consulting, and apparently that's only gone as far as-

(this is not shocking considering the extent of Rachel's ability to actually write anything with more depth than a teaspoon throughout the entirety of LO's run smh)

But I feel like I'm being a little unfair in my assumptions so I'm gonna stop there lmao Point is, this definitely feels like a mishandled production from start to finish, from them prematurely announcing the deal with JHC to them constantly assuring the show was still happening when all they had was a pilot WIP that hasn't even been sold yet. The odds of the show ever getting picked up and materializing might not be zero, but they are still incredibly low.

[feeeeeeeeeesh]

An analysis of Corvus Corax and Konrad Curze’s Relationship

There is so much potential between those two that isn’t explored in canon, with them being designed as narrative foils. However, much of what the fandom understands of their relationship comes from their primarch novels, as that is where most of their canon interactions lie, besides the scene at Isstvan V. However, the characterisation of Corax in these two novels is very inconsistent with his backstory, other novels and codexes, so it is not an adequate source to understand Corax’s character, or his relationships. I would recommend anyone that wants to learn about Corax to read Deliverance Lost instead of his primarch novel.

Here I will first break down the issue with Corax’s characterisation in his primarch novel, and then analyse the relationship between Corax and Curze with this mind.

I will put the conclusion here, and the detailed explanation with quotes below the cut:

Before the Heresy, Corax did not hate Curze, and overall had positive views of him. Curze has complicated feelings about Corax, stemmed from jealousy, and views him as a better version of himself which he projects his feelings onto.

Whats wrong with Corax’s primarch novel

Note: This section is long, and exists because most of the fandom’s perception of Corax and his relationship between Curze comes entirely from this novel alone. However, his characterisation in this book largely contradicts other canon material about him. This section will aim to explain why that is the case, and why this novel is a terrible source for character analysis. OP has very strong opinions about this. You can skip it if you want. I have also translated another lore post regarding Corax which can be found here.

Corax’s primarch novel and Curze’s primarch novel are written by the same author, Guy Haley, while most of Corax’s other novels and short stories are written by Gav Thorpe. In his own primarch novel, and in his appearances in Curze’s, Corax is characterised as sheltered, arrogant, naive, obsessed with the idea of “justice” and ignorant of the grim nature of their world. This is intended to juxtapose with Curze, who is presented as more mature in his outlook of the world, and less hypocritical in his actions. While this characterisation of Curze is compliant with the rest of canon and accepted by the fan base, the way Corax is characterised here is a direct contradiction to his other appearances in novels and codexes, and is only here to serve as a foil to Curze, who is presented in a more positive light in these two novels. Hence, I would argue this novel should be excluded when analysing Corax’s character, and especially when concerning his relationship with Konrad Curze.

Once again, anyone interested in learning more about Corax should go read Deliverance Lost first. Do not start on his primarch novel. In fact, I would not recommend reading it until you have finished all other HH novels and short stories about him, and only if you want to experience psychic damage.

The battle of the Carinaean Sodality, the major focus of his primarch novel, is also covered in the HH Black Books, albeit in less detail. There are two major differences in the turn of events: the first being how the Raven Guards made the incorrect strategic decision to chase down Arch-Comptroller Agarth, the second being there is no mention of Konrad Curze or the Night Lords whatsoever. Clearly, these elements were added by the author for his own agenda. While it is common for there to be contradicting knowledge about the events in the WH universe, in this case, one version is clearly more compliant with the rest of canon.

It is revealed in Curze’s novel that the disastrous campaign at Carinaean Sodality in Corax’s primarch novel occurred as a result of Curze’s doing, intending to teach his naive younger brother a lesson through practice:

'Corax affronted me, ordering me about like that. When the call came for the Eighth Legion to terrorise the Carinaen Sodality into submission, I arranged to be elsewhere,’ he told the flesh sculpture. 'I foresaw the event, and what would occur there when I was too far away to assist, and how poorly Corax's failure while acting in my stead would reflect on him. I assume he learned his lesson.’

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

The author’s intention is very clear here: the entirety of Corax’s novel is to compare him to Curze, portraying Curze in a more positive light in that he is not a hypocrite in his wrongdoings, and up-playing the relationship between them for this effect. Corax’s characterisation is changed specific for this reason.

The second major difference is how the Raven Guards made the mistake that caused great losses in the campaign. In his primarch novel, he was insistent in deploying his entire Legion to hunt down one person in the name of justice, despite vehement objections from all his closest commanders.

Corvus Corax faced the crew upon the command deck of the Saviour in Shadow. ‘Arch-Comptroller Agarth is to be hunted down. Fleet to adopt wide search patterns. Find him. Bring him to me.’ There were mutters of agreement. But not all were convinced of this course of action. ‘What about the rest of the system?’ asked Agapito. ‘The Twenty-Seventh Expeditionary Fleet will make an immediate assault upon the Thousand Moons, as per Fenc’s plan.’ Agapito hesitated before speaking. ‘What is it, brother?’ asked Branne. ‘If we are not there to support them, they will struggle. With us at their side, we can end this quickly before the cities reach optimal firing situation. Without us–’ Corax’s pale white face leaned towards his old comrade in arms, interrupting him. ‘Agapito, Agarth has denied us the opportunity to show convincing force. He has escaped. If we allow Agarth to go free, we will undermine the Carinae Sodality’s understanding of Imperial justice. The elite will see themselves free of consequence, the populace will despair that we cannot save them. We cast ourselves as saviours from tyranny and the bringers of civilisation to all men. We lie if Agarth does not face justice. Those who commit outrage cannot be allowed to escape. We will hunt him down and destroy him.‘

Corax: Lord of Shadows, Chapter 15 - Guy Haley

There are several things wrong with this. Firstly, if anything, the one obsessed with justice has always being Curze, not Corax, so it’s quite strange how this is cited as his motive. Secondly, Corax has always valued independent thoughts in his subordinates, and he had always found it important to listen to and heed their counsel. Even if there are disagreements, he would choose to explain his thoughts rather than yelling at them from the start. His behaviour here does not correspond to how he is characterised literally everywhere else.

‘We can’t let them attack again,’ argued Reqaui. ‘They got thousands more troops to send and don’t care none about their losses. It don’t matter that we have an army of men willing to lay down their lives, we just can’t match them. They’ll come again and again and again until we’re dead or back in the cells.’ ‘I wish I had never considered it,’ said Corvus, staring at the orb of Kiavahr through the wide window of the guard officers’ mess. The couches were ripped and bloodstained, the ornately carved and lacquered tables and cabinets riddled with bullet holes and scarred by las-fire. ‘It is too extreme. There are millions on that world who labour under the yoke of the guilds as much as we did, and who have committed no offence against us.’

‘Break the power of the guilds,’ urged Reqaui. Corvus nodded reluctantly. There was no other way. ‘Great,’ said Nathian. ‘Let’s get a move on, no time to waste.’ ‘It has already been arranged,’ admitted Corvus. He sank down into the couch vacated by Nathian, long legs stretching out across the burnt carpet. ‘Turman and Wing One have loaded five atomic charges into drop-shuttles. Their guidance systems have been locked on to Nairhub, Toldrian Magna and Chaes. All I have to do is send them the order.’ Ephrenia pulled herself up with a grunt of pain and hobbled across the room. She lowered herself to the floor beside Corvus and rested her arm on his knee. ‘Time won’t make it any easier to give that command,’ she said, looking up at him with soft eyes. With a sigh, Corvus gestured to Agapito, who pulled the radio from his jacket pocket and tossed it across the room. Catching it easily, Corvus flicked the switch to transmit. ‘Turman, this is Corvus,’ he said slowly. ‘Launch the shuttles.’

Deliverance Lost, Chapter 16 - Gav Thorpe

Corax had always been good at listening to counsel from his subordinates, even from the days of the uprising in Lycaeus. In this passage, he asked the opinion of every single one of his commanders, and changed his mind after their counselling. While all primarchs are, at heart, ill-tempered and prone to violence, Corax is comparatively mild-mannered, and usually only his enemies face his anger.

The event here is also an important note on Corax’s view on war. Here, he chose to drop the atomic charges despite the civilian casualties, a “path of least resistance” approach characteristic of the Imperium. He is not so innocent like he is portrayed in his primarch novel that he does not understand the sacrifices in war, and he certainly does not need Konrad Curze to teach him this.

Curze has a much stronger moral compass than Corax. If he was faced with the same decision, he would find it much more difficult to choose to drop the atomic charges, because it involves the death of innocents, something against his values. Meanwhile, Corax would explain this as a necessary sacrifice, a view more consistent with the rest of the Imperium.

If anything, the Nev brothers are even more hot-headed than Corax. It makes no sense they’re the ones holding him back.

Sealed within their sable battle plate the Raven Guard suffered little ill-effect, but the ordinary citizens of Zenith-312 and the soldiers of the Imperial Army were reduced to a frothing, mindless horde that numbered in the tens of thousands. Immediately, the Raven Guard found themselves under assault from all sides by the clawing mass of stricken humanity. Within minutes many had exhausted their supplies of ammunition and had to hack a path onwards with combat blades and gore-slick chainswords. In the hours that followed, the Raven Guard were forced to slaughter the maddened population of Zenith-312 and the men who had stood as their allies for so long, granting them the mercy of death as the Legion swept the voidcity clean. In the aftermath of the fighting, it was discovered that the Arch-Comptroller Agarth had used the massacre of his own people to shroud the escape of his personal shuttle, carrying a cadre of loyal servants and Zenith Guard. This news is said to have incensed Lord Corax and many of the usually stoic Raven Guard, recalling the brutal methods of the Kiavahran overlords who had once held Deliverance in their thrall, and the Raven Lord swore to bring the Arch-Comptroller to account for his actions. The Raven Guard abandoned the prosecution of Carinae’s conquest, and focussed all of its efforts into locating the escaped Arch-Comptroller.

The Horus Heresy Book III Extermination, p. 153

In the HH Black Book, which would’ve served as a template for the plot of the primarch novel, it’s stated that many Raven Guard commanders, as well as the primarch himself all chose to impulsively go hunt for the Arch-Comptroller, because they had to kill their own allies and because they were reminded of their oppressors on Kiavahr. This action is stemmed from a collective personal vendetta rather than Corax’s own abstract desire for justice. That seems more of a Curze thing. This change was introduced entirely so Corax can be compared to Curze. While Corax normally does peak of justice as well, to him it’s less of a priority than to Curze, and the way it’s addressed in this novel is entirely Curze’s opinion copy-pasted.

While Corax has always being presented as an idealist, he is certainly not hopelessly naive as characterised in his primarch novel. Even if Corax had very good parent figures growing up, he still grew up in a prison world, and not all prisoners there were kind like the political prisoner that found and raised him.

The primarch was no stranger to moral compromise. During the uprisings in Lycaeus he had needed every able man and woman for his freedom fighters and not all of the prisoners on the moon had been political internees. Some had been justly convicted murderers, rapists, thieves and wretches of the worst order. The overthrow of the corrupt regime had meant compromising the punishment – and justice for the victims – of these miscreants, but such was the necessity. In turn, once the techno-cults had been overthrown those that survived had been granted pardon for their deeds during the war, as Corax had been forced to promise them.

Soulforge, Chapter 2 - Gav Thorpe

Some of those criminals were included in his Legion after, because he recognised the need for cruel people, and the rest he freed as promised, even if it goes against his ideals. This is very characteristic of the in-universe values, and demonstrates that while he is an idealist at heart, he recognise the need for compromise in politics.

As well as this, the Emperor had felt fit to reveal the secrets of the Warp to Corax, pretty early on. The details of when and what the Emperor told him differs between versions, but the point stands. The Emperor felt that he could be trusted with this knowledge, and it is a secret he kept well, even from his sons. This would make no sense if he was the way he was characterised in his primarch novel.

While it is known that the Master of Mankind and the XIX th Primarch spoke for long hours, what passed between them remains a matter of conjecture. With the benefit of hindsight, some have claimed that the Emperor spoke to Corax of things men, even some other Primarchs, were not yet ready to hear; of the truth of those powers that seethe within the Warp and the darkness soon to come. Certainly, it appears that when the full horror of the Warmaster’s treachery unfolded there were elements Corax seemed to have been forewarned of, though he only ever passed such knowledge on to his forces as and when they needed and were ready to assimilate it.

Horus Heresy Book III Extermination, p. 133

When considering other sources and Corax’s characterisation from other novel, it seems that the result at Carinaean Sodality is due to a collective impulsive act from the entire Legion, which reveals the unique character of the Raven Guard. However, in the primarch novel, this event is presented as the primarch’s own strategic blunder caused by his own naïveté, exacerbated by his refusal to accept counsel from his commanders. This was done to reveal Corax’s character flaws, in order to contrast him with Curze. However, none of the traits raised in this correspond with other canon material, therefore, this book is not a good source for any character analysis involving Corax.

This also brings me to the next point. His primarch novel had the highest mentions of “Curze” and “Night Haunter” in any novel or short story about Corax. Curze gets mentioned more in this book than the ones taking place straight after their fateful encounter on Isstvan V. While Corax does think about Curze sometimes after the Dropsite Massacre, other traitor primarchs, notably Angron, also gets mentioned together. This makes sense because the entirety of Corax’s primarch novel was intended to act as a foil for Curze, so he kept comparing himself to Curze in story. However, he rarely does that in any of the other novels. And as mentioned above, due to the rampant discrepancies, this novel is not a fit source for character analysis, so this point will largely not be considered.

[End of why Corax primarch novel is toilet paper section, you may skip to here]

However, it is true that despite the vast potential, there is very little actual canon interaction between them. Here are the sections I will be looking at:

Curze’s primarch novel While I have established that the characterisation of Corax by Guy Haley is bad, it seems that the consensus regarding the characterisation of Curze in his primarch novel is accepted by the fan base. Corax’s appearance in this book is short enough that his characterisation is mostly alright, and his response to Curze here is supported by other sources, so it will be considered.

A Raven Guard artefact, intended as a gift for Curze

Their fight at Isstvan V

Two Lords of the Night

The meeting between Corax and Curze that occurred in the flashback of Chapter 6 of Curze’s primarch novel is one of the two canon interactions between them, and this passage revealed a lot of information about how they feel about each other.

'We followed similar paths. We should have had so much in common, and yet Corax always hated me. He thought I was barbaric, cruel. Him! The noble freedom fighter who incinerated untold thousands in atomic fire to secure his great moral victory. He understood the value of atrocity well enough, even if he pretended not to.’

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

This is the passage commonly quoted as proof for how Corax hated Curze. However, as this is taken from Curze’s monologue, it can only prove that Curze thinks Corax hates him, and Curze thinks everyone hates him. In fact, if you look at how Corax treats him in the flashback, the opposite conclusion can be drawn.

One important thing to note about this section is that the flashback section written from Sevatar’s perspective, and he is very biased towards Curze. His comments about either primarch should not be taken as face value. It should also be noted that while it is canon that the Raven Guards and the Night Lords do not like each other, and do not like collaborating on campaigns, it does not mean their primarchs must hate each other extra.

'Brother,' said Corax. 'I come to you without violent intent, but please, explain to me what is going on in this city.’ His voice was soft like the Night Haunter's, though not as sibilant, and with a more measured tone. Sevatar refused to let it beguile him. The threat Corax made was clear enough.

Corax broke the silence first. 'What is the meaning of this, my brother?' he said, gesturing metre-long claws at the mess of the slain. 'What happened to your warriors?' Unable to help himself, the Night Haunter snarled. He caught it and turned it into a mocking smile, but not before all present had seen his anger. He was a predator challenged by something just as dangerous. For a moment, Konrad Curze exhibited weakness. 'I happened to them,’ said Curze evenly. Corax looked over the ruined flesh in the room in disbelief. 'What have you done?' Curze smiled blackly. 'An internal dispute, Lord Corax,’ he said airily. 'A Legion matter, that I have resolved. You must understand, there are many criminals in your Legion also. You have your ways of dealing with those who stray too far from the bounds of good conduct.’ He poked a blade of Mercy through the shattered eye lens of a helm and held it up for Corax to see. ‘This is mine.’ Corax's eyes lingered on the blood staining Curze's chin. ’Then perhaps you could tell me why you are bombarding this already compliant sector?'

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

Throughout this entire exchange, Corax’s demeanour was calm when he asked Curze for answers. Despite the fact that he arrived with his Shadow Wardens fully armed, he left without any violent exchange, meaning he accepted Curze’s explanations.

Curze described this exchange as Corax “affronting“ him, but there is actually nothing aggressive or judgemental about Corax‘s demeanour the entire time. Curze thinks Corax is attacking him, because he thinks everyone hates him, and lashed out briefly in anger, as he felt challenged by Corax’s questioning. This is quite characteristic of their interactions. Curze feels challenged by everything Corax does, and in the following moments of vulnerability, he retaliates through the use of sarcasm and intimidation. He is trying to rile Corax up, for if Corax reacts in anger it shows they’re more similar.

Corax registered that Curze probably ate parts of the Legionaries he killed, but did not comment on the fact, and he is not disgusted by it as Curze expect, as he doesn’t register the moral problem with that. His lack of response is not silent judgement. He genuinely do not think there’s a problem with it, or he would’ve commented. One important point to note is that Corax appears devoid of emotions because he actually does not have opinions on most things, nor does he have a clearly defined moral compass the way Curze does. He also does not process sarcasm, which is partly why he is not offended at all.

Curze's narrowed eyes crinkled with a smile. A little tension bled from the room. 'We are the weapon of fear no other Legion dared to be. We are the glorious Eighth. You think I am a monster. I am a simple tool, like you. We have different uses, though identical edges.’ 'I do not think anything about you,' said Corax. 'Other than the disgust I feel for your methods.’ Curze shrugged. 'You may join the line of all the others who feel the same. I don't care. I am exactly as the Emperor intended me to be. Are you really any better than I, Corax shadow-skulker? The Eighth are open in our murders. The Nineteenth are assassins. We are all killers. We are brothers in method as well as in blood.’

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

This is the entire conversation in a nutshell:

Konrad: You hate me

Corvus: No I don’t

Konrad: It’s OK if you hate me. Everyone hates me

Corvus: But I don’t?

Corax did not, at any point, say he hates Curze. He has no personal opinion on Curze; his main issue here is with Curze bombarding a compliant sector and wasting the Imperium’s resources. Curze’s insistence that everyone, especially Corax, must hate him stems from his self-hatred, and this is especially elevated because Corax is the one out of his brothers most similar to him, a point he also emphasise to Corax. He is the one that likes comparing himself to Corax, not the other way around.

Curze’s insistence that Corax must hate him is stemmed from his own self-hatred and jealousy. He feels better about his hatred for Corax if it’s reciprocated, and believes Corax should hate him, because he hates himself. Everything Curze accuses Corax of calling him is his perception of himself. He thinks he is a monster, he thinks everyone hates him and he thinks Corax is better than him, so he attempts to put those words into Corax’s mouth. It doesn’t matter that Corax denies it, because this is Curze’s perception of himself.

Because of their similarities in physical appearance and designation, Curze is constantly comparing himself to Corax, and considers him to be the better one out of them. Curze is jealous of him, and tries to provoke him and belittle him by insisting they are on the same level. Everything he attack Corax with is something he feels about himself. He does not like that he is a tool of the Emperor, so he provoke Corax with this. Corax is actually aware of this and accepts this role, unlike Curze. He does respond to Curze’s provoking and may not even be aware of it.

He sneered, gnawing at his skin until blood ran. 'I'll tell you why. Envy of his mastery lay behind my hatred. I haunted the night, but Corax owned it.’ Breath hissed through dagger teeth. 'He owned it. My stupid, short-sighted sons thought the Ravens' abilities came from technology given only to the Nineteenth. I saw it was innate. Imagine what I could have done had you given the same gifts to me? How much more perfect a monster I would have been had the shadows loved me as much as they loved Corax!'

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

To Curze, Corax represents a better version of himself, a better possibility. His existence reminds Curze of his own faults, and it pains him, which is why being in Corax’s presence makes me feel challenged. It doesn’t actually matter too much to him what Corax thinks of him, as Corax to him is more like a reflection in a mirror that he projects his feelings onto. He thinks Corax hates him because the better version of himself should hate him.

Corax's black, unreadable eyes rested on Curze for several seconds. 'I will return to my ship. Stop this bombardment. The conquest is falling behind schedule. We risk turning the population further from the Emperor's light.’

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

Corax’s main issue with what Curze was doing here was that bombarding a compliant sector is a waste of the Imperium’s resources and delays the progress of the Great Crusade. He had no issues with Curze personally, nor with the methods he used to dispose of miscreants in his Legion.

'First Captain,' that silky, miserable voice said. 'Does he believe it to be true, that your Legion is a weapon of fear?' 'He does.’ 'Do you believe it?' Sevatar did not reply. ‘I say many of the other Legions see you as a coterie of sadists and murderers,' said Corax. His voice was totally isolated from outside noise, and spoke eerily into Sevatar's helm. 'So I ask you again, do you believe it?' 'My Lord Curze, Sevatar said stiffly, and severed the vox.

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

Ignoring all of Sevatar’s pointed commentary, we can come to the conclusion that Corax is reaching out to him out of concern for his brother. He’s asking for a second opinion because Curze is difficult to communicate with. He reiterated these opinions about the Night Lords neutrally. However, Sevatar is also unwilling to communicate with him.

This is what happens when Corax actually hates someone:

In answer, Perturabo accused Corax of seeking to avoid battle, a crime verging on dereliction for a Primarch of the Legiones Astartes. The two very nearly came to blows, with only the intervention of Leman Russ staying bloodshed.

Horus Heresy Book III Extermination, p. 135

‘I struck Horus once for usurping the victories of the Raven Guard for his own glory, a moment that no doubt festers in the Warmaster’s thoughts. I aim to repeat the insult, whenever I can.‘

Ravenlord, Chapter 7 - Gav Thorpe

No Night Lord was harmed in this exchange, despite the fact that Corax came fully armed with his elites, who clearly wanted a fight as much as the Night Lords. If he hated Curze as much as Curze believes, he would not had left peacefully.

For some unfathomable reason, that made Curze cringe, and he nodded like a rebuked child. His sons wavered in their adoration, then Curze gathered his dignity and his wits. Standing from the pile of the dead, he clothed himself in a primarch's majesty, obliterating memories of the pitiful, cannibal thing he had been a few moments before.

Konrad Curze: The Night Haunter, Chapter 6 - Guy Haley

As soon as Corax left, so does his influence, and Curze recovers his composure. Being in Corax’s presence makes him go really defensive.

From this exchange, it can be seen that Corax does not hate Curze, and shows concern for him. Curze has complicated feelings for Corax, stemming from jealousy. He sees Corax as a better version of himself, and projects his own self hatred onto Corax. He constantly tries to rile him out, with limited effect.

A Gift

EX TENEBRIS Ex Tenebris is a masterwork bolter fitted with an incredibly sophisticated telescopic scope system. Chapter legend has it that the weapon was forged by Corax himself, as a gift for his wayward brother, the Night Haunter. But the Horus Heresy turned the two Primarchs’ Legions against one another, and Ex Tenebris was instead borne into battle by heroes of the Raven Guard.

Raven Guard Codex 8th edition, p. 58

This is highly unusual because while Corax does create weapons and artefacts, most of these were made for his sons or himself, and there is no record of him crafting such gifts for other primarchs, not even for the ones he is known to be friends with such as Leman Russ and Roboute Guilliman.

The weapon is also designed to fit Curze’s fighting style, a gift with much thought put into it. Clearly, Corax must have like Curze a lot to make such a gift for him.

There are also a lot of implications as to what may have happened. What exactly caused Corax to not give out the gift? The most likely explanation would be that the Heresy happened, but that would mean that the gift was completed quite late, and by that point the Night Lords have already accumulated a reputations among the Legions, and Curze’s mental state has been steadily deteriorating. That means Corax must have cared for him despite all that. If the gift was completed earlier, then another event would’ve been the reason that Corax didn’t give it out. Or perhaps Curze rejected the gift? There is a lot of room for speculation regarding the details, but one thing is clear: There was a point in their relationship where Corax liked Curze enough to craft him a weapon, a treatment normally reserved for his sons.

Battle at Isstvan V

The fateful battle at Isstvan V is also an important point in the relationship. Very little detail was included in the original codex, so the author of the novel had free reign, and his choices here are very interesting, and most likely setting up for future interactions, which unfortunately never happened because Curze went ahead and died.

The most interesting thing about this section is the differential treatment of Corax and Curze of each other, compared to how they treated Lorgar.

And there he stood at the heart of the killing fields, winged and haloed by amorphous contrails of psychic fire, shouting his brother’s name into the storm. Corax answered with a shriek of his own – the call of the betrayer, the cry of the betrayed – and the raven met the heretic in a clash of crozius and claw.

The First Heretic, Chapter 26 - Aaron Dembski-Bowden

This is the start of the fight between Corax and Lorgar. They do not acknowledge each other and get straight into the fighting.

‘What are you doing?’ Corax cried into his brother’s face as their weapons locked. ‘What madness has taken you all?’

‘Answer me, traitor,’ the Raven Lord grunted. His dark eyes were narrowed at the sickening light that haloed Lorgar. ‘You… are a poor reflection of our father… with that psychic gold.’ Lorgar felt himself slipping back in the mud, his boots grinding across the earth as his brother’s strength leaned heavier against him. He couldn’t break the weapon lock this time. Both Corax’s claws clutched at Illuminarum’s haft, burning the handle and the Word Bearer’s hands. ‘I am bringing the truth to humanity,’ Lorgar breathed. ‘You are destroying the Imperium! You are betraying your own blood!’ The wildness in the Raven Lord’s black eyes was something Lorgar had never even imagined before. Corax had always seemed so taciturn, so devoid of passion. That this warrior lay beneath the albino facade was a horrendous revelation.

‘But he lied to us,’ Lorgar spoke through lips that produced more blood than language. ‘Father lied.’ The claws jerked, snagged against Lorgar’s enhanced bones. Corax tore them free, inflicting more damage than the first impaling had done. Blood hissed and popped as it evaporated on the force-fielded blades. ‘Father lied,’ Lorgar said again. He was on his knees, hands clutched over the ruination of his stomach. Corax’s black eyes gave nothing away. He stepped closer, his one functioning claw raised to execute his brother.

The First Heretic, Chapter 27 - Aaron Dembski-Bowden

Corax is questioning Lorgar here, but he is not actually interested in the answer. His words here are more just him venting his anger at betrayal, and by the end of the exchange he is no longer responding to Lorgar at all except with his lightning claws.

Corax looked to meet eyes as black as his, in a face as pale as his own. His claw strained against a mirroring weapon, both sets of blades scraping as they ground against each other. One claw seeking to fall and kill, the other unyielding in its rising defence. Where the Raven Guard primarch’s features were fierce with effort, the other face wore a grin. It was a smile both taut and mirthless – a dead man’s smile, once his lips surrendered to rigor mortis. ‘Corax,’ said the other primarch. ‘Curze,’ Corax said the name as the curse it was. ‘Look into my eyes,’ said the progenitor of the Night Lords Legion, ‘and see your death.’ Corax sought to wrench his claw free, but Curze’s second gauntlet closed on his brother’s wrist. ‘No,’ Curze’s laughter as was joyless as his smile. ‘Do not fly away, little raven. Stay. We are not finished, you and I.‘ ‘Konrad,’ Corax tried. ‘Why have you done this?’ Curze ignored the plea. He turned his void-like eyes on the prone Lorgar, with disgust written plain across his carcass face. ‘Rise from your knees, you accursed coward.’ Lorgar sought to do just that, using his brother’s midnight-blue armour as a crutch to haul himself to his feet. Curze bared his sharpened teeth. ‘You are the foulest weakling I have ever seen, Lorgar.’

The First Heretic, Chapter 27 - Aaron Dembski-Bowden

Contrast this with Corax’s reaction to Curze joining the battle. They address each other by name and look into each other’s eyes. The scene is presented as intimate, and highlights their similarities to each other. If you compare the way Corax asked Curze this question to how he questioned Lorgar before, there is a very obvious difference. In using his personal name and taking on a softer tone, Corax is actually looking for an answer here, and the betrayal he felt here is clearly more personal compared to Lorgar��s.

Curze’s response is very interesting too, the level of insult he is throwing at Lorgar is so much more offensive than what he is saying to Corax, and Lorgar is supposed to be his ally. He is calling his hated enemy pet names while calling his ally ‘coward’ and ‘weakling’.

We have already established that Curze feels challenged in Corax’s presence and shows vulnerability, which he compensates for by sarcasm and intimidation. This is really obvious in this passage as well, Curze uses flowery language which Corax probably does not comprehend. However, comparing to what he is saying to Lorgar, which is his usual level of art of language, what he says to Corax is so tame. He ignores Corax‘s question because he does not know how to answer him, and instead makes a dig at Lorgar, because that’s something he can do easily without losing his composure further.

At this point, Corax only has one functioning lightning claw, and is already spent from his fight with Lorgar. But all Curze did was hold him in place by locking his functioning claw and grabbing his wrist. He has the chance to do a lot more damage if he wish, but he does not. He sees Corax as a better version of himself, and despite how much he claims to hate him, he cannot truly bring himself to actually hurt Corax, because that would destroy the “better future” that Curze could not have. However, he does take sadistic pleasure in seeing some of Corax’s composure break, in dragging the “better one” down with him.

There is very little information about this fight in the codex, however, the author made one very deliberate change: Corax’s lightning claw was broken by Lorgar in the novel, while it was broken by Curze in the codex.

He had lost one lightning claw in battle against his twisted kin, the Night Haunter, but where the other lashed out, his every blow cut an enemy Legionary to ragged shreds and cast steaming viscera on to the thirsting black sands, and when he took to the sky upon his blackpinioned flight pack, it was to descend once more to scythe down scores of Traitors and to rescue pockets of Loyalists who had been cut off and surrounded, falling like lightning on their attackers and allowing them to break out of the killing ground.

Horus Heresy Book III Extermination, p. 33

The Word Bearer smashed the first claw aside, striking the fist with enough force to shatter the gauntlet completely, but even as scythe-long claw blades span off into the surrounding melee, the second claw struck home.

The First Heretic, Chapter 27 - Aaron Dembski-Bowden

This had to have been a deliberate choice on the author’s part, and comparing their battle prowess it would've been more likely that Curze broke it rather than Lorgar. This further emphasises the point that Curze couldn’t physically harm Corax as he symbolise a better possibility.

As well as this, from what Curze has been saying, he does want them to meet again. He wants to continue their state of entanglement, and he does not actually want to kill Corax.

‘Thank you, Konrad.’ Curze spat at Lorgar’s feet. ‘I will let you die next time. And if you…’ The Night Lord trailed off, his black eyes narrowing as he watched the figures appearing at Lorgar’s side. Their armour was crimson ceramite and ridged bone. Great claws, both metallic weapons and fleshy, jointed talons, extended from bestial arms. Every helm was horned. Every faceplate was split by a daemon’s skullish leer. ‘You are so much more than merely foul,’ Curze turned his back. ‘You are rancid in your corruption.’

The First Heretic, Chapter 27 - Aaron Dembski-Bowden

Curze actually hates Lorgar because he perceives him as weak, and this is the level of insults that is thrown. There is no ambiguity and no pet names. Curze makes his distaste known. The mention of a ‘next time’ might be relating to Corax rather than Lorgar. This implies he came here to gloat at Corax rather than to save Lorgar, so if there is a next time, which presumably wouldn’t involve Corax, he would not come save him.

ADB also really like the relationship between Curze and Corax, and contributed the most famous “little raven” line. It is quite unfortunate that there was no further interaction between those two, and unlikely for there to be any more interactions in the future, as Curze went and died, and, for the sake of the integrity of the story, personally I do not think he should be brought back.

This entire passage gave the impression that Curze came here just for Corax, but at the same time could not actually hurt him outright. Corax felt personal betrayal at the appearance of Curze on the traitor’s side. Lorgar existed to serve as a mark for how special their treatment for each other was, since neither of them had a close relationship with him.

After the Heresy

After the Heresy, Corax does indeed hate Curze, because he hated all of the traitor primarchs. He hated them for betraying the Imperium, and for the losses suffered by his Legion on Isstvan V. It is, however, not a personal feud towards Curze, unlike Curze’s feelings about him, which was very much personal.

Konrad Curze and Corvus Corax’s complicated feelings about each other is very interesting, and it’s not as simple as mutual hatred, which is how most of the fandom presents it. Due to their similarities, Curze views Corax as a “better possibility” for himself, and projects his self hatred onto him. Seeing Corax reminds him of his own flaws, which is why it makes him uncomfortable and lash out, claiming to hate him, but he also cannot bring himself to actually destroy this vision of a “better” him. What Corax thinks about him doesn’t actually matter that much to Curze; he believes Corax hates him because by his own values he should.

Corax doesn’t have opinions on most things, and he does not actively seek out relationships with people. However, from his actions, it can be deduced that he does care for Curze before the Heresy. Unlike Curze, he does not have a strong moral compass, so he does not really have a problem with Curze’s methods, not even as much as Curze hates himself, as they all serve the Emperor. It’s also quite likely that he doesn’t register Curze’s sarcasm at all. He is not a man of many words, and his silence can usually be interpreted as acceptance rather than judgement. After the Heresy, Corax hated all traitor primarchs.

Another interesting point about their dynamic is their complete inability to communicate with each other. Curze immediately goes into defensive mode, and start talking exclusively in sarcasm, with the intention of riling Corax up. Corax on the other hand cannot not process this at all, but Curze will treat everything he does as a personal attack. On the other hand, if Corax actually reacts to his provocation, I think their relationship would only be worse. In the end, Curze did succeed, in a way, to make Corax hate him, after the Heresy, just not the way he wanted.

[lightningbreath]

So, about the leaks.

SPOILER!!!

I liked that Abel seems like a good guy, but of course, since Adam is supposed to be a one-dimensional villain, Abel apparently has "daddy issues" with Adam and doesn't even seem to care about his father's death.

In fact, it seems that only Lute is affected by this, to the point of hallucinating about him.

I hope Lute sticks to her ideas until the very end, she's the only interesting one in this show and (knowing what this HH considers redemption) I don't want her to be "redeemed".

Another thing, not reporting a crime is frowned upon, but no christian would consider that it could lead someone to Hell. Not to mention, seriously, are we not going to hear from the woman who appears in Sir Pentious's flashback? It's so obvious that Viv didn't have the guts to turn Pentious into a weapons dealer. Get ready for the self-pity party that the HH members are going to throw. And it's amazing how Viv keeps denying Heaven EVERY PLAUSIBLE ARGUMENT they could possibly have.

Apparently, Lute kills Lucifer at the end of the season, but that's just a rumor. But if that happens, I'll love it.

And Lute's music is AMAZING.

[darqx]

HEEEY MACARENA (ALRIGHT!)

Here's some long overdue BP and HH asks :) I tend to combine the two since there's not as many as the RADs, so this starts with BP and then moves into HH/Gen qs.

BP

MUAH ~ (I actually doodled this some time last year for fun and whimsy, based on those long mouth kiss meme pics XD)

A very quick overview of these types!

Vescordem: Maneaters/cannibals, excessively tall and strong.

Aleores: Minor dealmakers (goods and services). Jaw can unhinge and has venomous bite.

Sollicio: Major dealmakers - soul stealing ability. Often very good looking, has ichor powers.

Voxter: Ability to project 'thoughts' into someone else's mind - you ever have an intrusive thought? Same concept. All have a unique mark across the top part of their face.

Caumacies: Maneaters/cannibals, very strong. Has a third eye which sees only in heat vision - rarely opened simultaneously with normal eyes.

Hmm M or MA15 i think 🤔

You know, i actually have an idea for a game that has nothing to do with anything I'm currently doing XD One day i'll actually have time to make it, maybe. But anyway currently my actual project is i'm planning on making a comic \o/

I AM PLEASED TO ANNOUNCE that i have thumbnailed like 70 pages of this bloody thing and i'm still only in the first quarter of the planned chapters lol OTL Once i finish thumbing the chapter I'm on I plan to go back and render the pages properly before starting to post them :D

...which should hopefully give me a buffer as i repeat the process for the next chapters |D

You know, the concept of my characs being comfort characs for someone will never get old for me. It just tickles me pink ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ This answer will have two levels to it.

It's fine to RP or ask blog with Rire - he's one of my more "known" characs thanks to BTD so as long as credit is given (and it's made clear I'm not running the blog so it's not canon) then it's cool.

I'd prefer if no ask/RP blogs are created for any of my other BP or HH characs, as they are not as known yet. This may be revisited once i actually get the BP comic out but for now it's a no, sorry! (Though, if you are RPing in like...a private Discord with other friends who know who the characs are then I'm a bit more lenient with that.)

The reason for the BP/HH level is that ages ago when I had started establishing my own characs more, I randomly happened to find a forum where someone was RPing as Izm and .D but no one else knew who the characs were and so they clearly thought the RPer was the original artist and creator. Said RPer was not dissuading anyone of that notion. That has stuck with me for forever because at the time i never anticipated that someone would...actually try and do that with an OC. Like, bro srsly?!

One pet peeve for everyone:

.D: Willfully stupid people

Izm: .D smoking. He could care less if anyone else smokes but .D is not allowed on his watch

Marcus: Having decisions made for him without his input

Zeke: "How's the weather up there?"

Wei Ren: When people think he can't understand English cos he has an accent and so they deliberately speak slower and louder

Geez Caleb why are you damn RUDE

Here's one i prepared earlier! 😌

I'm not sure why you included Marcus as a demon, he's a human lol.

HH/More Gen

There are clubs which are created by students but need approval from the adults to exist.

HH is one of the better boarding schools which generally turn out successful alumni. The "obvious problems" we see are not actually obvious lol.

He doesn't need such manipulations.

Thanks! I hope you are inspired to go forth and create stuff! :D

One of the only perks of being a prefect at HH, really :d

Absolutely not lol

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4. These types of qs are always amusing to me only because you guys expect me to know but i absolutely do not XDD. Do normal people actually have a fave animal?? I dont even have a fave animal!! Anyway offshoot aside sorry that i can't even randomly assign anything, but if you are interested here is what they might be AS animals lol.

They actually don't have names because they were randomly designed NPCs i drew as like, placeholders |D;

Not including Rire or Nurse Isla:

.D is asexual, Izm is bisexual, and everyone else is straight probably. Caleb and Desmond are violently straight (as in Des is like very 90s stoner bro adamantly vocal about being straight and Caleb will actually try and break your neck for insinuating anything).

I have some female characs but I dont draw them that often as they are more side characs in BP and HH. The ones ive's drawn at least once are Isla (who looks like this, also doodled above), Tish (Des's sister) and Kenzie and Kelly (Zeke's sisters).

Every once in a blue moon i get an ask saying this but whenever i go to check nothing is wrong, so...nothing is wrong they do work |D; As the age old tech saying goes have you tried turning it off and on again? :d

Aren't those kind of things supposed to be...based on yourself??

[animeshotsh]

Control | Various x Overlord!Makima!Reader

Notes: Reader has the same powers as Makima from Chainsaw Man. Im leaving a link here in case you want to read about them in deep detail.

Warnings: HH violence - Cursing - Blood -

When a soul falls down to hell no one takes notice of it. You were lowkey thankful for it, your clothes the same ones as the one you had died were dity with mud and blood. Your white shirt was ruined, your black coat had holes on it.

Thats a magnificent disaster

You never expected you would be stabed in the back by one coworker, and that would be the cause of your death. But your greed was big and so was theirs so you were sure you were going to meet them down here soon.

As impressive as this was you were not under panic, maybe having to watch your back 24/7 when you were alive had helped to it.

In that dark alley you stood considering your choices when a small creature with horns appear, it showed a knife at you and jumped.

You moved your head to the side "is this a demon?" You wondered swiftly avoiding its attack. Then like instinct you raised your arm, your fingers like a gun, pointing at the demon.

"Bam" you whispered and soon the chest of the demon exploted. You looked at your fingers then at the corpse a few meters away a sadistic smile forming.

"I wonder what more I can do"

~☆~☆~☆~☆

In no time you got a name for yourself, The Control Demon. A Demon who could force others to make contracts with them, a demon who could use the power of the demons who they had a contract with.

Manipulation was your middle name. Overlords respected you and some feared you.

~☆~~☆~☆~☆

Carmilla was always wary around you, knowing your power. Her angel weapons were in reach whenever you attended a meeting. She could see behind that fake smile and eyes.

~☆~☆~☆

Zestial was amazed by your power. He knew he was strong and heavens you were stronger. He would start conversations with you only to try and get on your good side.

~☆~☆~☆

Rosie loved you, she knew you could put all the cannibal town against her but that was just amazing in her eyes, not to say, you using other overlord powers was something to enjoy.

Something she got to know was that you could force a sinner to say a name and by moving your hand that one named would explote.

~☆~☆~☆

Alastor was...well he was interested. He wanted to know if you could get him out of his own contact but then again for that he would have to confess that he had a leash on. Something he did not want to do at all.

~☆~☆~☆~

When Charlie first meet you she was...scared. Listening to your name being told and the stories....but she was sure something good was in everybody so of course she opened her hotel doors for you. Even if you were only there to see the place.

~☆~☆~☆

Vaggie straight up hated you. If Alastor was a pest then you were worse. She did not want nothing to do with you. But she also knew she was no competition against you. Specially after seeing your spiral eyes as you moved away her weapon.

"Please, at least learn how to proper use it, angel"

~☆~☆~☆~

Lucifer was charmed!!

Yes the king of hell fell for your sweet words and compliments like a young fella.

"Your majesty its a pleassure to meet the one who rules in here" You said bowing towards the short king who was suprised by your polite self.

You ended showing him the place after Alastor killed the other sinners and told him sweet nothings about hell and him. How you always have wanted to meet him (no). And he ate all up.

That night Lucifer ended on his bed blushing hard thinking about you.

~☆~☆~☆

Vox had tried to follow you only to end with a panic attack as he saw your spiral eyes staring back at him from one monitor.

"Its not polite to spy you know"

And now Vox has nightmares of you.

[uniquepeanutcreatorfire]

Character Archetypes in HH/HB

As I watched both shows, I realized that characters typically fell into specific roles. Note, some may fall into more than one category and there are some exceptions to these.

The Loveable Jerk

Usually the main protagonist/male character

Goofy, loud, crude, chaotic, horny

Creator's pet/Fan favorite

Their bad actions are seen as lighthearted or comedic

Have a sad backstory and/or daddy issues

The show's narrative frames them in a sympathetic light or misunderstood

It's never their fault

The Bad Guy

Is there so you can cheer on the Loveable Jerk

Evil for evil's sake

ALWAYS one-dimensional/note

Their actions are seen as immoral and monstrous

Used for shock value or to deal with serious topics

No redeeming qualities, complexities, or sad backstory here

Start off intimidating but get more incompetent later

Either entertaining or annoying

The Female Character

They're just there.

Often one-dimensional/trait; Lack screentime, focus, depth, etc.

Their purpose revolves around a male character/main protagonist

Usually either a sweetheart, badass, or bitch

What they lack in personality, they make up with in sexy merch and fanart

The Butt Monkey

The show's punching bag

Actually a decent person

It's funny to see them get harassed or violated. If it happens to the loveable jerk though, then it's treated seriously.

The Background Character

Where the diversity and more interesting designs are