#tommy emmanuel and david grisman

[krispyweiss]

Old & in the Way? David Grisman is 80 in Dawg Years

It seems like he’s been around forever, but David Grisman is just 80 - in Dawg years.

Born March 23, 1945, Grisman may be old now but he is not - nor has he ever been - in the way.

Primarily a mandolinist, Grisman played on the Grateful Dead’s American Beauty before teaming up with Jerry Garcia in the short-lived but forever-influential bluegrass band Old & in the Way.

After the group dissolved, Grisman devoted himself to his blend of jazz and bluegrass that became known as Dawg Music. And in the 1990s, he reconnected with Garcia for a series of duo album that were the focus of a 2024 retrospective on Grisman’s Acoustic Disc label.

Over the decades, he’s counted Tony Rice, Hazel Dickens, John Sebastian and Tony Emmanuel among his many collaborators on a discography whose sheer count rivals Grisman’s years on the planet.

May both numbers continue to climb.

3/23/25

[dailymusicreleases]

TOMMY EMMANUEL Accomplice One Label: CGP Sounds Released: January 19, 2018

1. Deep River Blues with Jason Isbell 2. Song and Dance Man with Ricky Skaggs 3. Saturday Night Shuffle with Jorma Kaukonen & Pat Bergeson 4. Wheelin’ and Dealin’ with J.D. Simo & Charlie Cushman 5. C-Jam Blues with David Grisman & Bryan Sutton 6. (Sittin’ On) The Dock of the Bay with J.D. Simo 7. Borderline with Amanda Shires 8. You Don’t Want To Get You One Of Those with Mark Knopfler 9. Keepin’ It Reel with Clive Carroll 10. Looking Forward to the Past with Rodney Crowell 11. Purple Haze with Jerry Douglas 12. Rachel’s Lullaby with Jake Shimabukuro 13. Djangology with Frank Vignola & Vinny Raniolo 14. Watson Blues with David Grisman & Bryan Sutton 15. Tittle Tattle with Jack Pearson 16. The Duke’s Message with Suzy Bogguss

[larryneilson37]

What I'm listening to right now

Watson Blues by Tommy Emmanuel (feat. David Grisman & Bryan Sutton), on the album: Accomplice One

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Music time? Music time. Here are Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman performing "Cinderella's Fella," a song written by Grisman.

[tafttheatre]

Looks like we can expect a new record from Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman soon; “Pickin’” comes out 11/3! Don’t miss Tommy at the Taft Theatre 2/15 with Rodney Crowell!

[replicapromo]

TOMMY EMMANUEL, nouvel album en janvier, tournée en novembre 2018 Mascot Label Group & The Players Club présentent TOMMY EMMANUEL"ACCOMPLICE ONE"Sortie le 19 janvier 2018CD digipak, vinyle & digital Regardez la vidéo de " Looking Forward To The Past"  [feat. Rodney Crowell]   ICI  ; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYgDcrkg3DY&feature=youtu.be Regardez la vidéo de " Borderline"  [feat. Amanda Shires]   ICI ; https://youtu.be/O9_6Zag10_8 Regardez la vidéo de "(Sittin 'On) The Dock Of The Bay "  [feat. J.D. Simo]   ICI  ;https://youtu.be/XAUI51ldtIc Mascot Label Group lance un nouveau label, The Players Club, avec la signature du guitariste australien Tommy Emmanuel et la sortie, le 19 janvier prochain, de son nouvel album  "Accomplice One". Sur ce disque Tommy a décidé de mêler de nouveaux morceaux à des reprises interprétées avec des invités tels que Jason Isbell, Mark Knopfler, Rodney Crowell, Jerry Douglas, Amanda Shires, Ricky Skaggs, J.D. Simo, David Grisman, Bryan Sutton, Suzy Bogguss... plus d'info ci-joint Artiste mondialement reconnu par les "spécialistes", Tommy Emmanuel est un guitariste acoustique expert dans l'art du "picking". Son style s'inscrit dans la lignée de Chet Atkins, Merle Travis ou Marcel Dadi. Comme l'illustrent brillamment les trois vidéos ci-dessus, Tommy met sa virtuosité au service de genres allant de la pop au folk en passant par le  jazz, le blues, le boogie ou le rock. Sur scène, sa maîtrise de la guitare sèche prend une dimension encore plus impressionnante. Eric Clapton a carrément dit de lui qu'il était : "the greatest guitar player I ever seen". Tournée française 2018 13/11, Paris @ Casino de Paris14/11, Cléon @ La Traverse16/11, Sausheim @ Eden17/11, Lyon (Villeurbanne) @ Espace Tonkin18/11, Marseille @ Silo locations ICI ; http://www.fnacspectacles.com/mdr/recherche.do#/?q=tommy%20emmanuel&type=MANIFESTATION tommyemmanuel.com

[zombiemusica]

Contagiemonos con la nueva música de Tommy Emmanuel & David Grisman – Pickin’ (2017)

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USA: Tommy Emmanuel , David Grisman - Pickin' (2017)

2017 release. An exuberant meeting of the musical minds and souls, Pickin', with 10 Dawg compositions (five of which are newly written) is just the beginning of what promises to be an important, long-awaited and historic musical friendship. Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman had admired each other's music for years but their paths had never crossed. That changed in January, 2014 when their mutual friend, the brilliant Scottish guitarist Martin Taylor, invited David to sit in at his concert with the world-renowned, Tommy Emmanuel. Going forward to 2016, Tommy invited David to participate in a recording project of his in Nashville, whereupon he asked him to teach him some "Dawg" tunes. Within the hour, they had recorded five of David's tunes and the seeds of this recording were sown. An exuberant meeting of the musical minds and souls, Pickin', with 10 Dawg compositions is just the beginning of what promises to be an important, longawaited and historic musical friendship.

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Martin Taylor Gear Review

Martin Taylor is an accomplished fingerstyle guitar player who’s won awards, fans, and even been made a Member of the Order of the British Empire in his native England for his contributions to guitar jazz.

If you want to check out some key Martin Taylor tunes, try “Bernie’s Tune“, or “Georgia On My Mind“.

His playing is impeccable, with roots in gypsy jazz (think Django Reinhardt) as well as traditional jazz.

He’s played with well-known folks like Stéphane Grappelli and Tommy Emmanuel (Martin and TE even have a popular guitar duet album out:  “The Colonel and the Governer”).

Martin Taylor is interesting to for a few reasons.

First, his popularity has been somewhat off the American radar, so it’s like finding a “new player” (though I’m well aware he’s been doing great stuff for a long while).

Second, his playing style spans several interests of mine – jazz, acoustic, fingerstyle, and solo arrangements.

Third, he seems to work as hard on composition as he does on technique or improvisation.

He also has a great teaching series available at ArtistWorks.com where he gives a thorough insider’s view of his brand of fingerstyle jazz.

So, now for the gear review.  What does Martin Taylor actually play?  It’s a simple list, here it is.

Martin Taylor Gear

AER Alpha Amplifier – AER amps are awesome for acoustic and jazz.  They’re transparent, powerful, and clear.  A lot of great acoustic players use some flavor of an AER amp.

AER Amp details >>

  Elixir .012s – Elixir strings have become popular because they last a long time and retain their tone.  They accomplish this by coating the string to protect it from the rust and degradation that comes from the oils in your fingers.

Elixir .012 details >>

Martin Taylor has mentioned using a couple types of picks:

  David Grisman Dawg Mandolin Picks – The key to this pick is that it’s shorter, giving a blunter corner to pick with.  This is actually a great fit for me personally since I usually will take a full size guitar pick and turn it 3/4 so that I’m playing with a blunt corner.

“Dawg” Pick details >>

  Jim Dunlop Sculpted Plectra Primetone 1.5mm Mandolin Picks – Again, these picks have equally angled corners providing a slightly more blunted playing edge.

Primtone Pick details >>

There are several guitars that are significant for Martin Taylor’s playing:

Martin Taylor Artistry’ Archtop – This is Taylor’s collaboration with UK-based Vanden guitars to make a personal “holy grail” guitar.  Key to the guitar is also the Fishman pickups.

Artistry Archtop details >>

  Yamaha AEX1500 – Taylor endorsed this Yamaha archtop in the 90’s.

AEX1500 details >>

    Peerless Martin Taylor Maestro – More recently, Taylor has endorsed this archtop from Peerless Guitars, a beautifully made guitar emphasizing natural resonance and a more authentic tone.

Maestro details >>

Martin 000-45 – Taylor also owns (and apparently cherishes) a Martin 000-45 acoustic guitar.  This guitar is truly amazing, going for prices in the $80k – $100k range.  Crazy.  Just google it.

    Further Reading

http://martintaylor.com/  (really well done site)

http://www.guitarplayer.com/artists/1013/martin-taylor/16892

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/martin-taylor-on-his-favourite-guitars-and-onstage-nightmares-627790

https://www.vintageguitar.com/3218/martin-taylor-m-b-e/

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/Martin_Taylor_Beyond_Solo_Guitar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Taylor_(guitarist)

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[krispyweiss]

The Sound (Bites) of Live Music - 2017 in Review

It was another fabulous year in live music.

Concerts big and small; acts Sound Bites has seen scads of times and acts that broke his Sound cherry; festivals and “an evening with;” old timers and newcomers. These concerts were the sound of live music in 2017 and Sound Bites has the best of them below.

Shows are ranked in the approximate oder of quality with the number of times seen in parentheses. The concerts took place in Columbus, Ohio, unless otherwise noted and are ranked by grade. Any shows that merited a B+ or lower are excluded.

A+

Rhiannon Giddens/Steep Canyon Rangers (6)/Pokey LaFarge/Cincinnati Pops Orchestra, Music Hall, Cincinnati, Nov. 12: The third of three concerts/recording sessions took place on a Sunday afternoon as Giddens, the Rangers and LaFarge focused on post-World War I American compositions. A sublime mixture of classical music and Americana’s best contemporary artists and the show of the year. It’ll be released sometime in 2018 as the second in an ongoing series.

Punch Brothers (3)/I’m With Her/Julian Lage, Taft Theatre, Cincinnati, Aug. 12 Playing alone, together and in various combinations on the American Acoustic tour, the co-headliners slayed the audience with originals and covers of everyone from Adele to Randy Newman.

Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman, Speaker Jo Anne Davidson Theater, Nov. 10: Emmanuel played an opening solo-acoustic set before appearing with Grisman for songs from their duet LP, Pickin’, and other selections. Pure, jaw-dropping virtuosity.

Roger Waters (2), Nationwide Arena, July 20: A left-wing, multi-media assault on the senses that found Waters revisiting politically minded tracks spanning from Pink Floyd’s Meddle to his own Is This the Life We Really Want?

Steve Martin (2)/Martin Short/Steep Canyon Rangers (5), PNC Pavilion, Cincinnati, Sept. 16: Mostly a comedy show - and one so hilarious Mr. and Mrs. Sound Bites walked out with sore throats and tummies from laughing so hard - this concert also featured the Rangers playing bluegrass alone and with their patron, Martin. And when Short danced across the stage in drag and with humongous fake boobies during “Pretty Little One,” the two art forms merged in perfection.

A

Willie Nelson (11)/Van Morrison (3)/Avett Brothers, et al. Hersheypark Stadium, Hershey, Pa., Oct. 10: At the Hershey stop of Nelson’s Outlaw Music Festival, Nelson was in top form with an expanded, guest-filled band; Morrison played a spellbinding concert that was the best of the three the Sound Biteses saw this year; and the Avetts proved all the fuss is legit.

Brian Wilson, Palace Theatre, April 21: Backed by an enormous band that included former Beach Boys Al Jardine and Blondie Chapman, Wilson revisited Pet Sounds and surrounded it with big hits (“I Get Around”) and deep cuts (“California Saga”). Sublime doesn’t touch it.

Van Morrison (2), Ruth Eckerd Hall, Clearwater, Fla, Jan. 18: After seeing Morrison for the first time the night before and thinking nothing could be better, the man came back and proved Mr. and Mrs. Sound Bites wrong, playing a different set and wailing away on saxophone, guitar and harp.

Van Morrison, Ruth Eckerd Hall, Clearwater, Fla., Jan 17: The only thing better than seeing Morrison for the first time is seeing him subsequently.

Los Lobos (13), Music Box Supper Club, Cleveland, March 31: The band played Kiko in its entirety and stretched it to two hours, keeping the essence of their high-watermark album while futzing with the arrangements enough to keep things interesting for those of us who have the LP tattooed on our brains from repeated listenings over the past 25 years.

David Crosby & Friends, Kent Stage, Kent, Ohio, Nov. 5: Sound Bites endured a solo, three-plus-hour drive through thunderstorms and a tornado warning and arrived at the Kent Stage stressed out, soaking wet and with just minutes to spare. The bad vibes melted away about 40 seconds after Crosby and his stellar band took the stage with “In My Dreams” and the ride home was just fine after an amazing performance from rock’s premier male singer.

Tedeschi Trucks Band (8)/Wood Brothers (3)/Hot Tuna (7), Rose Music Center, Huber Heights, Ohio, July 22: All three bands were in top form on this stop on the Wheels of Soul tour, even if the Woods and Hot Tuna didn’t get enough stage time. All was forgiven when each band joined in during Tedeschi Trucks’ typically searing headlining set, which featured high-test originals and covers and made Mr. and Mrs. Sound Bites wish they had attended the previous evening in Cincinnati.

Chicago (12), Rose Music Center, Huber Heights, Ohio, May 20: Playing a set short on schlock and long on tracks from the Terry Kath era, Chicago played the best of the dozen concerts Sound Bites has seen of the band since 1982. Chicago was a rock band at first and it is a rock band now.

Robert Cray Band (8), Midland Theatre, Newark, Ohio, Sept. 29: Cray doesn’t mess around - he plays his songs in a workmanlike manner, plays them well and still sounds almost exactly like the guy who first came on to the scene nearly four decades ago. Ageless. And timeless.

Wood Brothers (4) Stuart’s Opera House, Nelsonville, Ohio, Nov. 9: Debuting tracks from their forthcoming album and playing old favorites, the Woods played the best of the four concerts Sound Bites has been lucky enough to see from the band. Though their named after brothers Oliver and Chris, multi-instrumentalist Jano Rix is the trio’s secret weapon.

Martin Barre (2), Natalie’s Coal Fired Pizza, May 3: Playing acoustic and electric sets, Barre and his spectacular, three-piece band nailed Jethro Tull songs from across the band’s catalog, mixing them in with periodic selections from Barre’s solo career.

Rosanne Cash (2), Kuss Auditorium, Springfield, Ohio, Feb. 11: Performing in an acoustic-duo setting with husband John Levanthal, Cash showed herself a better singer live than in studio and Leventhal’s arrangements made her songs sparkle in the sparse, in-concert setting.

Dweezil Zappa (6), Express Live!, Jan. 22: Fomerly known as Zappa Plays Zappa, Dweezil and his crack band somehow managed to pull off Daddy’s songs in a way that was both appropriately reverent and appropriately irreverent. Don’t think of Dweezil and company as a tribute group. Think of them as a rock ‘n’ roll symphony interpreting one of the 20th century’s most-important composers.

Los Lobos (14), Music Box Supper Club, Cleveland, April 1: With Kiko in the rear view, a looser Lobos took the stage the following evening with a retrospective set of originals and covers that found the band members switching instruments, taking requests and inviting up a local ringer on stage to shred with the wolf pack. On any given night, Los Lobos are capable to going places only a few bands can go - this was one of them.

Leo Kottke (4), Thirty One West, Newark, Ohio, Oct. 24: All by his lonesome but sounding like a quartet, Kottke showed once again why, like Tigger, he’s the only one.

Old Crow Medicine Show (2), Express Live!, May 31: Playing Bob Dylan’s Blonde on Blonde from front to back, the Crows put a new twist on an old standby, adding a bunch and taking away nothing. There was a nice tribute to the recently departed Gregg Allman via “Midnight Rider” in the encore, which also featured (natch) the Dylan co-write “Wagon Wheel.”

Bruce Hornsby (10), Midland Theatre, Newark, Ohio, Sept. 22: If there’s anyone more versatile than Hornsby, Sound Bites is yet to meet him. This solo-piano workout took the concept of recital to a whole ‘nother level.

Southern Culture on the Skids (2), Skully’s Music Diner, May 9: “Too Much Pork for Just one Fork.” “House of Bamboo.” The only thing that outshines SCOT’s sense of humor is SCOT’s musicianship. Flying fried chicken and fans dancing onstage only add to the shenanigans when they come to town.

Bob Weir & the Campfire Band, Proctor & Gamble Hall, Cincinnati, Jan. 12: Backed by members of the National in an acoustic-centric set that was heavy on songs from Blue Mountain, Weir put on the best performance Sound Bites has seen out of him in a decade or more and proved he should do more shows that move away from his Grateful Dead legacy. When “Oh Boy” popped out of “Dark Star,” all was right with the universe.

Del McCoury Band (2), Stuart’s Opera House, Nelsonville, Ohio, March 4: There’s bluegrass. And then there’s the Del McCoury Band.

The HillBenders, Fur Peace Ranch, Pomeroy, Ohio, Aug. 5: The Who’s Tommy is even creepier when performed in a bluegrass setting. The HillBenders opened for themselves with a set of originals before diving into the tale of the deaf, dumb and blind kid. If this tour comes to your town, go.

Tedeschi Trucks Band (7), Palace Theatre, Jan. 23: This was the weakest TTB show Sound Bites has ever seen. It was astounding.

Lake Street Dive, Newport Music Hall, Aug. 10: Rachael Price is mesmerizing - impossible to take your eyes and ears off. The rest of the band is just as potent and Lake Street Dive is probably the only band in the world that could make Sound Bites shake his tail feather to George Michael’s “Faith.” Their version of Wings’ “Let Me Roll It” - like the rest of their performance - also did not suck.

A-

Ray Wiley Hubbard (2), Woodlands Tavern, June 23: Hubbard likes to call his music “an acquired taste.” It takes about three seconds to realize this guy should be at the top of everyone’s must-see list.

Elizabeth Cook (2), Rumba Cafe, Oct. 23: At turns funny and heartbreaking, Cook possesses a gorgeous voice and an irresistible, smart-ass stage presence. She’s like Todd Snider in drag and her solo-acoustic show is anything but a drag.

Todd Snider (9), Stuart’s Opera House, Nelsonville, Ohio, Feb. 4: At turns funny and heartbreaking, Snider possesses a laconic voice and an irresistible, smart-ass stage presence. He’s like Elizabeth Cook in jeans and his solo-acoustic show is a terrific mix of music and comedy.

Jerry Douglas Band, Thirty One West, Newark, Ohio, Aug. 15: Eschewing bluegrass for jazz, the Dobro player extraordinaire brought a huge band to Newark and nullified any disappointment by delivering a barnburner of a concert that made you wonder why he didn’t do this sooner.

Los Lobos (15), Stuart’s Opera House, Nelsonville, Ohio, Aug. 20: With bassist Conrad Lazano and guitarist Cesar Rosas MIA, the Wolves nevertheless delivered with a set heavy on rarities and covers. The pit was packed with dancers for most of the second set, proving a short-handed Los Lobos is still among the country’s best live acts.

Yonder Mountain String Band (2), A&R Music Bar, July 6: Adding more heat to an already sweaty and packed bar, YMSB proved there is life after Jeff Austin.

Holly Bowling (2), Woodlands Tavern, Feb. 10: The classical pianist who specializes in Phish and Grateful Dead covers delivered two sets of Phish and Grateful Dead covers arranged for classical piano and knocked off plenty of socks in the process.

Steel Wheels (2), King Center for the Arts, Dec. 9: When a bluegrass band features a drum solo early in the concert, you know you’re in for something different. The Steel Wheels are something different. And they’re something else as well.

12/20/17

[krispyweiss]

Song Review: Tommy Emmanuel feat. Rodney Crowell - “Looking Forward to the Past”

From the hey-kid-get-off-my-lawn department comes a new single from Tommy Emmanuel and Rodney Crowell.

“Looking Forward to the Past” is a high-energy country rocker that’s full of good humor and is slated to appear on Emmanuel’s duets LP Accomplice One, out Jan. 19, 2018. This Crowell-penned number follows covers of Madonna’s “Borderline” (Amanda Shires) and Otis Redding’s “(Sittin’ On) The Dock of the Bay” (J.D. Simo) as the third single from the album, which comes immediately on the heels of Pickin’, Emmanuel’s just-released collaboration with David Grisman.

On the new track, Emmanuel plays his typical verve as Crowell good-naturedly sings about being an old-timer who’s upset about the state of the modern world and who don’t know my shirttail from my ass.

I’m a Mississippi man and a Conway Twitty fan/and I haven’t heard a song I like in years, he sings, tongue firmly planted in cheek, as Emmanuel reels off one of the tune’s many short but lively solos.

“Gravity has no effect on Tommy,” Crowell told American Songwriter of his partner. “It’s as if he literally flies a guitar.”

Grade card: Tommy Emmanuel feat. Rodney Crowell - “Looking Forward to the Past” - B+

Read Sound Bites’ previous Accomplice One coverage here: https://krispyweiss.tumblr.com/post/167533077863/song-review-tommy-emmanuel-w-amanda-shires

12/1/17

[krispyweiss]

Song Review: Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman - “Watson Blues” (Live, Nov. 18, 2017)

Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman alternate rhythm and lead duties on “Watson Blues.”

The duo tackled Bill Monroe’s instrumental tribute to Doc Watson in a video from their November 2017 tour stop in South Carolina and a freshly released video finds guitarist Emmanuel perched on two stacked chairs as he trades lines with mandolinist Grisman, who sits on only one beside and below his partner.

“David Grisman is a walking song book, and playing with him is relaxing, fun and challenging all at the same time,” Emmanuel said in a note accompanying the live release of a song Emmanuel, Grisman and Bryan Sutton originally recorded for the former’s Accomplice One LP.

While this is a fine performance from both parties, the walking rhythm of “Watson Blues” doesn’t open up enough for either Emmanuel or Grisman to fully strut his stuff, leaving new listeners unaware of the heights these two are capable of reaching.

Grade card: Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman - “Watson Blues” (Live - 11/18/17) - B

9/18/18

[larryneilson37]

What I'm listening to right now

Watson Blues by Tommy Emmanuel (feat. David Grisman & Bryan Sutton), on the album: Accomplice One

[larryneilson37]

What I'm listening to right now

C-Jam Blues by Tommy Emmanuel (feat. David Grisman & Bryan Sutton), on the album: Accomplice One

[larryneilson37]

What I'm listening to right now

C-Jam Blues by Tommy Emmanuel (feat. David Grisman & Bryan Sutton), on the album: Accomplice One

[krispyweiss]

Album Review: Tommy “CGP” Emmanuel & David “Dawg” Grisman - Pickin’

If someone is searching for a flaw in the debut release from Tommy Emmanuel and David Grisman, it might be the thread of sameness that runs through the material.

But that would just be nitpickin’ on Pickin’, because even when inventive players such as session ace-turned-solo artist Emmanuel and long-time Jerry Garcia collaborator Grisman are at work, guitar and mandolin are always going to sound like guitar and mandolin.

Released under the nicknames “CGP” - for Certified Guitar Player, a title Carl Perkins bestowed on just a handful of axmen - and “Dawg,” the LP finds guitarist Emmanuel and mandolinist Grisman breezing through 12 tracks in 45 minutes. The only vocalizations are occasional whoops and yeahs that spill from the players’ mouths as one or the other plays something remarkable, which happens throughout the LP.

The numbers feature a delicious admixture of jazz, folk, bluegrass and Baroque music and sport titles indicative of their styles - such as “Waltzing Matlida,” “Newly Wedding,” “Zorro’s Last Ride” and “Farm & Fun Time.” Listeners can fairly hear the names of the songs in the wordless tunes as they work their way through the record and it’d be interesting to know what came first - the music or the monikers.

A cover of “Sweet Georgia Brown” shows the pair’s penchant for interpretation as they meander around the theme before kicking into high gear around the 90-second point. Meanwhile, the self-referential “CGP & Dawg” allows the players to show off their respective chops both alone and together.

But that goes for the rest of Pickin’ as well. And the result is an LP that gets inside you and provokes involuntary physical reactions like head boppin’ and toe tappin’ before you even know it’s happening.

Grade card: Tommy “CGP” Emmanuel & David “Dawg” Grisman - Pickin’ - A-

11/7/17