#tsufruians

[omnikronv]

This is my take on it as well and is something I wanted to explore in Daikon 5!!

The Tsufruians get the angel's advocate because of how evil the Saiyans were and how totally they had been exterminated, as well as because Toriyama did little to explain just who or what they were. He did the bare minimum of worldbuilding, and Toei filled in the rest but in a very lopsided need-to-know basis (which I honestly prefer over being given an encyclopedia of every single individual, bloodline, street, mythological character, invention, bowel movement, etc. of a random background race like Star Wars does).

I think it would be a neat direction to imply the Tsufruians were actually not any better than the Saiyans morally, but they focused more on a cold pursuit of science and material conquest over more barbaric lust for battle and carnage. Maybe the Tsufruians would seem on the surface to be similar to Earthlings, but lack the warmth and "humanity" (or maybe the Tsufruians are more like "What if the Red Ribbon Army succeeded and took over Earth)— if the Saiyans were never on Planet Plant and Goku was instead sent there as a baby, perhaps he would never have become so kind...

Actually, these kooky fruits were also the bad guys. They just got wiped out by the badder guys.

What version of the Saiyan Tuffle War do you prefer: the Tufflew subjugated the Saiyans or the Saiyans just straight up obliterated the Tuffles

Between the two options, I think I prefer the first one, simply because all the Tuffle characters we've seen have been diabolical villains, and it sort of undermines them as bad guys if the Tuffles were innocent victims in the war. But that's just a personal preference.

I'm not suggesting that the Saiyans were all sweetness and light either. But it seems a little naive to have an advanced civilization just welcome a bunch of Saiyans onto their planet with no ulterior motives.

I say this because most of what we know about the Tuffles is based on Baby's appearances in Dragon Ball GT. Supposedly, Baby was created by the last survivors of the Tuffles, and they "infused" him with the genes of their king, whatever that means. Baby only had two objectives: to take revenge on the Saiyans, and to to convert or destroy all non-Tuffle life forms. And that's... pretty fucked up when you stop and think about it. Baby was such an over-the-top villain in GT that it was easy to just go along with whatever crazy shenanigans he was up to. But he was programmed by the Tuffles, and presumably the Tuffle King was totally on board with this. If he had lived to see Baby Vegeta ruling over the restored Tuffle Planet with the entire population of Earth infected with his nasty mind control eggs, the King would probably be pleased.

And yeah, the Tuffles would want revenge against the Saiyans, but what did Earth ever do to them? Or any of the other planets Baby menaced? You can make the argument that Baby was a doomsday weapon that went beyond the intentions of his creators, but I think he did exactly what the Tuffles wanted him to do.

And that begs the question: If Baby's reign of terror was the last gasp of the dying Tuffle species, then what sort of weird stuff were they up to before? I'll put some thoughts on this under the cut.

First off, I think it's kind of weird how there's not a clear picture of what a Tuffle is exactly. I went looking on the DB Wiki for some pictures and found this Tuffle design by Akira Toriyama.

That design prevailed in DBZ Episode 20, and also in Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans, when King Kai explains how the Tuffles welcomed the Saiyans to settle on their planet when they crashed there in a wrecked spaceship. The implication from Plan is that the Saiyans didn't just show up one day. They were refugees who needed help, and the Tuffles invited them with open arms.

But it's weird how the Tuffles in DBZ #20 are depicted as being much smaller than the Saiyans, but in Plan they're basically to scale with each other. Maybe that's a continuity glitch, and no big deal, but then you have Dr. Lychee, who looks like this:

He starts out as a regular-looking guy, and then he becomes this blue creature who looks a lot like a prototype for Baby. The blue form is supposed to be nothing more than one of the phantoms created by Hatchiyack in the OAV, like the phantom incarnations of Frieza, Turles, Cooler, and Slug. But those phantoms looked the same as the originals. Why does Lychee look so different? Is this a form that Tuffles can naturally assume?

Which brings me to Baby and his "Tuffle Parasites". By the end of his run in GT, Baby basically identified as a Tuffle, rather than a creation of the Tuffles. When he started infecting Earthlings with his eggs, he called them Tuffles too.

Then you've got Kamin and Oren from Super Dragon Ball Heroes. Apparently they're considered "Neo Machine Mutants", which are Tuffles modified become like Baby, for lack of a better explanation. I'm not sure if this was established in the DBGT days or not, but I guess the current lore is that Baby, Oren, and Kamin were natural Tuffles who were augmented into the form we see here.

I guess what I'm driving at here is that the Tuffles seem to have a very broad definition of what a Tuffle is. For them, it seems to be more about a way of thinking and feeling than any particular appearance or body plan. A machine can be a Tuffle. An Earthling infested with a parasite can be a Tuffle. So maybe those miniature humanoids in DBZ #20 were just one more variety of Tuffle.

I get a real transhumanist vibe from the Tuffles, particularly from the notion of archiving their King's DNA into Baby, and the way Dr. Lychee continued to exist as a "Ghost Warrior" after his natural death. Oh, and the Tuffles of Universe 6 augmented Kamin and Oren. That wasn't for revenge, by the way, they just wanted to see if they could do it, and apparently Kamin and Oren were outraged enough by this that they turned on their creators. Throughout the Dragon Ball franchise, the Tuffles are known for their advanced scientific knowledge, and also for making all these freaky creatures.

And maybe they weren't all evil. I wouldn't go that far. But I get the feeling that their leaders welcomed the Saiyans to their world because they saw a potential resource that they could exploit. Maybe they just wanted the Saiyans to pacify the uninhabited parts of their planet, or maybe they though the Saiyans could help them against other enemies. But maybe they saw the Saiyans as potential test subjects for their experiments. Just a thought.

I don't think the Tuffles necessarily subjugated the Saiyans, but it might have been more of a case of rising tensions. They lived in separate parts of the planet, with the Tuffles in the cities and the Saiyans in the wilderness, but the Saiyans grew more numerous, and the Tuffles probably saw that as a threat, and the Saiyans probably started to wonder why they needed the Tuffles at all. A lot of things might have instigated the war, but it wouldn't surprise me if the flashpoint involved Tuffles experimenting on Saiyan prisoners. If something like that came to light, then it would become a matter of survival. The Saiyans would have to wipe out the Tuffles to avoid being "Tuffleized" or worse. And the Tuffles would have to crush the Saiyans in battle to maintain control of the planet. There could be no return to the status quo; it would have to be total war until one side was completely defeated.

Once the war began, it must have taken a long time for the Saiyans to win. King Kai said that the lunar cycle on Planet Plant was eight years, and that each full moon allowed the Saiyans to gain ground in the war. So this implies that it took several full moons to end the war, so the conflict might have lasted decades, or maybe even a century. There might have been a few armistices or truces during that time, as each side would want to try to regroup and get as much momentum as possible before the next full moon. At least, that's how I'm picturing it.

One causus belli that sticks out in my mind is that the Tuffles were apparently a spacefaring people, but the Saiyans couldn't do much in space until they made contact with the Arcosians, and then King Cold's organization. So maybe the Tuffles were purposely keeping the Saiyans confined to Planet Plant, either to prevent them from escaping, or to isolate them from other civilizations. The Saiyans would take this poorly, I'm sure. So that might have a lot to do with it.

To be sure, the Saiyans of this era were real rat bastards, no doubt. I'm sure a lot of Tuffles of the time would make the argument that they were trying to contain the Saiyans as a matter of self-preservation, or even for the good of the greater universe. But I also suspect that the Tuffles aren't just friendly-looking anime folks. Creatures like Baby, Hatchiyack, Kamin, and Oren give us a peek into their more inhuman qualities, qualities that the Saiyans probably knew firsthand. It's possible that King Vegeta thought he was the one doing the universe a favor when he wiped the Tuffles out.

Something else to consider, in Episode of Bardock, we meet the Plantians, who were apparently the original inhabitants of Planet Plant. At some point, they were gone, and the Tuffles were living there instead, and then the Saiyans showed up and wiped out the Tuffles. So what happened to the Plantians? Did they just migrate to another world, leaving Plant empty for the Tuffles to move in? Or did the Tuffles do something to them? Food for thought.

[radiomonkeys2]

~PajamaJames

An infographic about the city of Atomsk on Planet Kollidor, starring the Titanist teacher and martial arts master Amota Kundorog

Atomsk is renowned on Kollidor and off-planet alike as one of the great landmarks of this particular stellar system, though tourism is discouraged unless you're simply coming to watch one of the many blood-fights taking place.

Atomsk is not a very welcoming place on any given day, and never was supposed to be much more than a hive of villainy and evildoers.

The original inciting idea for Atomsk dates back to 2015 around the time of the proto-Yabanverse, when I imagined the idea of what cities and cultures on Planet Vegeta might be like and inevitably came upon the idea that, if Saiyan women were so strong-willed and allegedly mighty, surely Saiyan Amazons had to exist in no-small number (respective to the small population of Saiyans, that is) and they must have formed their own spaces. Indeed, while I did not like Gine very much, one thing many people oft overlook about her and the implication of Saiyan non-combatants is that it appears that Saiyans are not leisurely like humans (or Tsufruians). Saiyans did not have air-travel, mini-malls, or cappuccinos— Gine, despite being a complete weakling, still seemed to be part of the Vegetan proletariat, suggesting that if nothing else, Saiyans were almost entirely segregated between workers and warriors with no other real definable classes— there didn't seem to be artisans, consumers, farmers, etc (then again, Toriyama never concerned himself with worldbuilding, so that might just be the implication). Either way, the point I took away was that if Saiyan women were indeed generally weaker than Saiyan men and less cut out for combat as Toriyama seemed to imply, that still meant they were almost entirely laborers, and not even service or professionals like we tend to view human women as being, but rather legitimately heavy laborers much like blue-collar men.

Of course, again, there is no actual evidence of this, only headcanon, but like with so many other ideas, I ran with this for the Yabans to create bollois (whose name literally stems to "industrial/heavy laborer person"). Heavy/blue collar laborer culture tends to share many similarities across the world, being very macho and tough, so that bled into those early ideas for bollois as well, leading directly to the current conception of them. And a side effect of that was the idea that bollois would be the primary builders of whatever cities were on the otherwise primeval, ultra-ultraviolent planet of Kollidor, and if that was the case, it just felt natural for some kind of "Martian Rome" aesthetic for them.

The general rule of thumb that "if bollois were male, we'd call this for what it really is" remains in play here. Atomsk being the "Anti-Themyscira" doesn't mean it's a rival city-state to Themyscira or anything, but that its context and values contrasts so sharply with Themyscira that it shows the difference in mindset between bollois and women.

In one Yabanverse AU, a "New Atomsk" is constructed on Earth-Prime when a colony of Yabans are exiled there in the mid 1940s, and it follows the same principles. This 'Nova Atomsk' is a place I used as a sort of "Anti-New York City" rather than "Anti-Themyscira," especially when that particular AU develops into the 1970s, and the overwhelming martiality and asexual laconic ruggedness of Nova Atomsk clashes fiercely with the decadence and hypersexual hedonistic decay of NYC. I may do more with that in the near future, because my love of sociology and politics makes the concept of "Yabans, especially bollois and yenois, in the conservative mid-20th century" inherently fascinating.

[utmostzenith]

When I look at my take on saiyan and my take on tsufruian. I do not see any reason for them to have adrenaline like we do.

However, they made a serum that makes the brain more alert and causes the blood vessels to send more blood to the brain and muscles.

Furthermore, it also immensely enhance the body's original healing capacity and increase the recuperation of stamina.

To add, the serum is capable of decreasing the time the consumer takes to replenish their ki and allow them to go 15 times past their full power without transforming. And finally, it makes them numb to pain, regardless of the intensity. Though, when under the effect of the serum, they enter a state similar to feeling high.

The serum is called Devilshine.

[zenithcognition]

The Tsufruian body.

The tsufruian body is their cultural and physical structure. It is made up of several systems (nervous, digestive, etc.), as well as 385 bones and 1388 muscles of which 633 are skeletal muscles. The adult's body contains about 600 liters of blood, while the child’s body contains 300 liters of blood. 

That's why a tsufruian has three hearts. It is also possible for them to exchange blood with another tsufruian. They are universal donors and receivers.

An adult tsufruian would need to drink up to 80 liters of fluid a day. A child would need to drink up to 15 liters of fluid a day. Because they live on a planet with three suns where it never gets dark. They make it a point to be hydrated.

While the body of a tsufruian has three hearts and four lungs, they're not connected to the Feath.

A tsufruian can stay without breathing for 3 hours and 15 minutes with training. Without training, they can stay without breathing for 50 minutes. 

Just like, the body of a saiyan has two stomachs, both of which are capable of holding 25 ounces (944.98 g) of food. A child will only need 5 ounces (189 g) of food to feel full.

[zenithstories]

For years, Sadala has been a planet many wanted to have. For its resources, wealth and so much more. A planet that received plenty of aid from the gods. Not that they would be aware of such. They tried to steal what was not theirs more than once, but were always pushed back, thanks to the saiyan and tsufruian working together to push away the unwanted.

Tsufruian were not as strong as saiyan, but their lack in the physical area was compensated by their intellect. Sadala was a unique planet and the only with two races living on it. Races that shared plenty of similarities, but had even more differences. The saiyan focused solely on strength, while the tsufruian focused on building tools that would help with their already immense strength.

In the end, both races worked together to bring out the best in each others. The planet was in good hands since the beginning, and it was likely to continue receiving the protection it deserved.

[weirdoofweirdos]

The Complete Saiyan/Tsufruian History - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Baby...

[utmostzenith]

So, she is here for a specific reason. One that is none of his business, actually. The way she speaks and holds herself shows that she is not just your average woman. Well, she does stand out from the rest of the people here both in looks and style. She definitely doesn't belong to this kind of place.

It's my first time in this bar as well. I'm new to town. The name is Kefla, and surely, you'll give me yours in turn.

Truth be told, he has never seen a Tsufruian wear glasses unless they are for protection. It seems it was wrong to think there were some of them around. This town is far too old to have people this smart.

[scnzoku]

ok so i finally settled on a design i like for my tuffle/tsufruian oc ;3; feat. go.ku for height comparison

[jastun-frailthorn]

"I've never seen an earthling with wolf ear, before. By any chance, y'all wouldn't happen to be a failed experience of the Tsufruians?" @Luka

“I’m not a failed anything. I’m called Luka!” The wolf smiles at the new person while wagging her tail happily.

@fxarsomxlxgxnd

[hadesnothell]

—  At long last! It’s been four or five months since I last updated Imperfect Automata, but chapter two is finally here. Here’s the accompanying summary + some notes.

Super Seventeen and his creator leave planet earth behind and head for ‘Myuu’s planet’, a strange and ominous little thing all the way across the galaxy  (seriously, I’d sooner be sent to GT Hell than this horrifying planet):

Seventeen estimated that it’d take him a few hours to get there, and yet it’s basically on the other side of the galaxy. For him to be able to travel this distance in such a short amount of time, he would need to be flying very much faster than the speed of light. So, he is, and that’s just fine because 1. he’s Super Seventeen, he can do whatever he wants; 2. Myuu’s tech has been shown to defy the laws of physics anyways; 3. we have people moving at such speeds in DBS so we’re unashamedly going to do it here too.

Much of Myuu’s lab has been destroyed from his previous encounters with the GT space goblins trio; Seventeen wants to look around and explore but Myuu is determined to get straight to work. He ushers him away from the broken remnants of Baby’s abandoned chamber and into a smaller research room which is still intact. At the sight of all the equipment in this room, some of which he has never seen before, Seventeen is reminded of his painful past with Gero and he feels extremely uneasy.

Myuu takes a look at Seventeen’s ripped ear and gives the rest of his system a look over with the help of his Tsufruian technology. He demonstrates the ability which is unique to him as a Machine Mutant, which was never explicitly stated in the anime but was hinted at heavily when he was trying to save Baby. All Machine Mutants, including Seventeen, are able to restructure themselves in some manner, and Myuu was no exception (see this post for more detail on this).

I try to introduce the lore regarding several aspects here (Myuu’s ability, the fact that Seventeen’s hatred for Gero forced his powers to become dormant), along with possible ways as to how Seventeen’s life differed (read: was more tragic) in the GT Universe from that of Super (which in turn caused him, someone who is usually so strong willed, to become 'possessed’ as it were). Seventeen takes some time to reflect on his traumatic past and how the present offers nothing but confusion and uncertainty.

Anyway, some Stuff Happens™ and the two of them almost fall out again. Seventeen doesn’t want to deal with lying on a lab table anymore, so the two of them go get drunk relocate to another part of the complex and enjoy some rum together. Myuu gets straight back into work whilst Seventeen sits around feeling out of place and heady. Assuming that Eighteen is the cause of Seventeen’s distress, Myuu offers him a compromise, but this seemingly does nothing to lift his spirits.

By the way, I wanted to mention that there’s a symbolic meaning behind Gero ripping Seventeen’s earring out (there’s hidden meaning behind a lot of things in this fic honestly). It might be obvious, but I’m not gonna reveal it just yet. That’s all this time, folks.

Hazel.

( @actualjolynekujo - I’m not sure if you still want updates, but just in case you do! ) ( @ggogeta - !!! ) ( @androidlapis - here it is! )

[utmostzenith]

When it comes to being in heat, he knows how it goes. He comes from a race where this event is particularly intense. The details of how he deals with this event are best left unknown. It is good to know that the planet is absolutely out of bounds and that the Tsufruian side is pulling out of the planet. It is better not to take any risks. He did not forget that she is a married woman but knowing that he has never spent a year with his month of heat unsatisfied. While he is not married. If her husband does not take the time to provide for her, he does not think they are made for each other. A saiyaness would have already broken up and looked for someone more suitable.

He remains silent while she thinks about the proposal. She doesn't seem interested in why he knows about what's happening to her, and that suits him. One less problem. He takes a look at his 500 G watch which has automatically changed to the world time zone. It's still early. Not a word escapes him as she finally gives her answer. An answer that reflects her personality. It turns out that she would be popular if she lived on Sadala with such a strong personality. Most importantly, she wouldn't have an issue with her heat. He discerns that she is interested in the idea of him helping her with his voice. So, he was not surprised when she accepted his help, but he did not expect her to want to fight him to find out if he was strong.

— I agree to fight you and I hope you won't have any problems if I hurt you, he answers monotonously.

He is not the type to hold back his blows, especially since he does not have access to all his power. He should also remove the black earring that cancels the magic. In any case, he can heal people and will do the same if the situation demands it. He let her continue to explain the situation to him. Talking so much certainly comes from Azura.

— I come from a race of formidable warriors. I don't think you can handle them without my help. Anyway, I don't intend to let you raise them alone, regardless of what you say.

[duhragonball]

Tuffle Lore: DBZ #20

I’ve been meaning to revisit the topic of Tuffle lore, and so I decided I should re-watch the episode where they were first introduced.  And I’ve got nothing going on at the moment, so let’s do it now.

So this is Episode 20 of Dragon Ball Z.  It’s a filler episode, so I don’t know if any of this footage made it into Kai, but if you’re not familiar with this one, I’ll give you a quick recap.  Goku is training in the afterlife to prepare for the Saiyan invasion.  He’s just passed King Kai’s challenge to catch Bubbles, so now King Kai gives him a harder test, which is to hit Gregory on the head with a mallet. Meanwhile, Piccolo trains Gohan, whose right eye is swollen shut for the whole episode.  Also, Master Roshi asks Baba to predict the outcome of the coming battle, and Baba can’t see anything in her crystal ball.  The fate of the Earth is too uncertain to predict.  Also, the rest of the Z-Fighters complete their training on Kami’s Lookout, and Yajirobe bites Krillin on the ass. 

However, the real meat-and-potatoes of this episode is when Goku takes a break for dinner, and King Kai offers to tell him more about the Saiyans.  At this point in the story, Goku only recently learned that he was a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby, and all he knows about his people is what little he heard from his evil brother, Raditz.  Much of King Kai’s tale would be contradicted over time, but this episode still stands out as a tantalizing peek into the history of the Saiyans before they were under Frieza’s rule.  And this is one of the few sources for information on the Tuffles, the Saiyans’ mysterious enemies. 

What I decided to do here was to just screenshot this part of the episode and transcribe all the subtitles.  The dub version of King Kai’s story is pretty good too, but some of the details are changed, and since this is a filler episode, the Japanese script is about as close to a primary source as possible. 

Incidentally, “Tuffle” is a localized name for the “Tsufuru-jin”, just as “Saiyan” is a localization of “Saiya-jin”.  The Funimation subtitles refers to the Tuffles as “Tsufruians.”

“Once upon a time... There were two races of people who lived on a world named Planet Vegeta.  The Saiyans, who are your forebears, and the Tsufruians.”

“Planet Vegeta, like my own planet here, had an extremely strong gravity.   As a result, the Tsufruians, who controlled the larger half of Planet Vegeta, were a race whose bodies were only about half the size of the Saiyans.  However, they had a remarkable, comparatively advanced level of civilization.” 

“On the other hand, the Saiyans were a race that was very few in numbers, but their bodies were bigger, not to mention stronger, and they were an aggressive, primitive race.  The tails the Saiyans had were their greatest distinguishing characteristic.  They were all warrior-like people, as it were.”

“At one point, these warriors bared their fangs, and started to overrun the Tsufruians.  The Tsufruians greeted them with advanced weaponry of their own making.  The Saiyans, who should have been utterly outnumbered, were incredibly strong, and gradually, they brought the Tsufruians under their control.”

“The decisive factor was the full moon, which appeared on Planet Vegeta once every eight years.  That's because when Saiyans see the full moon, they transform into monsters.  For the Tsufruians, this was their greatest threat, and they suffered the most damage this way.   And so, little by little, as the Tsufruians civilization pulled back, the Saiyans quickly increased their numbers.  In time, they completely took over Planet Vegeta.”

“Then the Saiyans took off into space, seeking to fight even more.   However, since the Tsufruians had been exterminated, further development of their civilization was slow to occur.  They realized that even though they wanted to fight, they could not go out any farther into space.  So the Saiyans joined forces with rich, advanced alien civilizations, and in exchange for furnishing planets to these aliens for use in developing vacation estates, they were able to obtain technology and money.  For the battle-hungry Saiyans, this was killing two birds with one stone.”

“The Saiyans' activities escalated swiftly, and they even started sending babies to many other worlds, as was your case.  They had come up with long-term plans, whereby once the baby grew up, it would exterminate the planet's population.”

“But Planet Vegeta had its own Kami.  He could not bear the Saiyans' evil deeds, and using his own powers, he pulled close some giant meteors, which then collided with Planet Vegeta, causing it to explode.” 

“Including yourself, there were only four Saiyans that survived.”

And, there we have it. Tell you what, I’ll just make a list of the details that later turned out to be continuity gaffes.

1) It would later be established that the planet was named “Plant” before the Saiyans conquered it and renamed it “Vegeta”.

2) This episode seems to be the only instance of the Tuffles being half the size of the Saiyans.  In other appearances, the Tuffles are shown to be normal-sized humanoids.

3) 1993′s Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans introduced the idea of the Saiyans arriving on the Tuffles’ planet and being accepted as refugees.  However, a flashback in Dragon Ball GT suggests that the Saiyans invaded the planet from the start. In Dragon Ball Super, Vegeta states that the Saiyans had lived on another planet called Sadala before emigrating to Planet Vegeta.  Any way you slice it, it looks like the Saiyans were not native to Planet Vegeta, as DBZ #20 suggests.

4) Furthermore, 2011′s Episode of Bardock introduces the Plantians, who inhabited Planet Plant/Vegeta in the distant past.  No Tuffles are seen in that special, suggesting that the Tuffles were not native to the planet either.

5) DBZ #20 shows Tuffle soldiers using scouters, the implication being that they were a Tuffle invention that the Saiyans later adopted for their own use.  In 2018′s Dragon Ball Super: Broly, it’s Frieza who issues the scouters to the Saiyans for the first time, well after the Tuffles have already been wiped out.

6) King Kai probably shouldn’t have told Goku about the Saiyans transforming during a full moon, since that sort of borks up the big reveal in Episode 31 and 32, when Vegeta transforms and Goku realizes that he must have been the one who killed Grandpa Gohan.  Then again, it took Goku a while to figure it out, even when Vegeta was transforming right in front of him, so maybe he wasn’t paying attention to this part of King Kai’s story.  Let’s face it, Goku isn’t the sharpest knife in the crayon box.

7) The biggest plot hole is the part where King Kai authoritatively states that it was the Kami of Planet Vegeta who summoned the world-ending meteor shower that Raditz spoke of.  In truth, it was Frieza who destroyed Planet Vegeta and spread the meteor shower story to cover up the truth.  While we can forgive King Kai for not being aware of what really happened, it’s weird how he offers context to a version of events that never took place.  Then again, Planet Vegeta would have had its own Kami, who must have been displeased with the Saiyans, so maybe that Kami planned to destroy the planet, and King Kai was aware of these plans, but he never knew that Frieza beat the Kami to the punch.   For that matter, maybe Frieza stopped Vegeta’s Kami from summoning the meteor shower, because he wanted to wait until the whole population was on the planet before pulling the trigger.

8) Uh sure, King Kai, only four surviving Saiyans.

All that being said, a lot of elements in this story still hold up today, probably  because of Toriyama’s input on this episode, including the Tuffle concept.  For example:

1) The Saiyan population is quite low in King Kai’s story, which would be echoed in Dragon Ball Minus, which states that there are roughly 10,000 Saiyans around the time Planet Vegeta was destroyed.

2) While the Kami of Planet Vegeta has been retconned to hell, the basic concept of a god condemning the Saiyans to extinction resembles the way Beerus authorized Planet Vegeta’s destruction, as revealed in Battle of Gods.

3) The Saiyans’ primitive buildings in this episode look a lot like the lumpy, misshapen houses seen in Dragon Ball Minus and DBS: Broly.  And yet the larger, more advanced buildings, like King Vegeta’s palace and the elite nursery, are comparable to the Tuffle cities. So the idea of Planet Vegeta being this world of contrasts has carried on across 30+ years.

Anyway, that’s all I have.......... for now.

Oh, right, can’t talk about this episode without mentioning Knife Lady. 💗🗡️

[utmostzenith]

Pure blood saiyan and pure blood tsufruian babies regardless of the gender have one thing in common. They love to bite and chew on anything and everything. It does not make the situation better for the parents or single parents that the children in question develop all their teeth quickly. Pure blood saiyan have all teeth at the age of one, and pure blood tsufruian have all teeth ready at the age of three. One should not actually be underestimating their jaw and biting strength. Consider this, they have enough jaw strength and teeth toughness to be able to turn adult human bones into dust.

[zenithcognition]

A saiyan or a tsufruian wouldn't ever experience the punch drunk syndrome. Their skulls absorb most blows delivered to the head, but any damage received to the brain will trigger a state of emergency where most of the ki produced for the body will be directed to the brain instead. To either regenerate or replace the party that has been damaged. Of course, sufficient chi will still be shared to prevent the body from shutting down. One must remember the saiyan and tsufruian are races of warriors, and their bodies have several ways to prevent them from being unable to fight permanently. Not to mention that damage done to the brain can be removed by the senzu vials, the healing potion or the recovery pods. Furthermore, any trauma they experience can be removed through meditation and cultivation, which is essentially an enhanced form of meditation.

[eastwesttreaty]

I’m going back and watching DBZ since I haven’t seen it as a kid, and I’m watching it in Japanese cause I know there’s a lot of little jokes in Japanese that didn’t translate into English as well, mainly with character’s names.

Like the Saiyans were at war with the Tsufruians.

sa-i-ya = ya-sa-i = vegetables tsu-fru = fru-tsu = fruits

#bye Akira Toriyama

[scnzoku]

What does the Mun think about OCs for DB (personally I feel like the U6 Saiyans are a goldmine for OC stuff, but that's just me)

i love ocs! i have a db oc, she’s a tuffle. u might have seen me promoing the shit out of her lmao ( @tsufruian ). and i agree, universe six in general is a goldmine for oc’s - toriyama is probably not gonna give us any more than just the core three saiyans - plus it makes it much easier on people who have to tip toe around the genocide when they write universe 7 saiyan ocs. 

i respect and love everyones oc.