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Episode 2 similarities and differences between Ossan's Love (2018) and Ossan's Love Thailand

[Ep 1; Ep 2; Ep 3; Ep 4; Ep 5]

(disclaimer: I have watched all of the Haruta + Maki version of OL [Ossan's Love, Ossan's Love: LOVE or DEAD, Ossan's Love Returns] except for the specials which I haven't gotten around to, and I've watched the airport AU season Ossan's Love: In the Sky. I haven't watched the original one shot episode and the Hong Kong version.)

(disclaimer #2: This is just for fun. I'm not intending to make any statements over which version is superior or anything like that in this post. If you noticed something I missed please let me know so I can add it! I only rewatched ep 2 of the Japanese version for this post.)

For the sake of my lazieness I will use Tv for Thai version and Jv for Japanese Version.

Structured scene by scene of the Tv like last time.

The adaptaition is already deviating from the original more this episode but there were still a lot of similarities so here goes:

At the Restaurant + Flashback to Morning After:

Tv starts episode 2 with Heng talking to Chicha and Thua-ngok about the two confessions he received and them betting on wheter Mo meant it (Chicha) or was joking (Thua). There is also a flashback to the morning after the shower kiss where Mo makes breakfast for Heng, pretends nothing happened and runs out of the house as quickly as possible. The scene with Chicha and Thua doesn't exist in the Jv though one could argue it somewhat takes the place of the ep 1 scene where Haruta tells Chizu about the boss's confession. Obviously though in the Tv both men have already confessed and the focus of the scene is more on Mo's real intentions than H's feelings about getting confessed to by his boss. Instead the Jv starts with the morning after, which happens similarily to the Tv, though Haruta in the Jv didn't really try to initiate a conversation as much as Heng. (Also H touches his lips here which the Tv possibly references later after his talk with Ten.) One other thing of note is that in the Jv Maki tells Haruta about coming home late so he's prepared curry for him to heat up (setting up the food H finds after their fight).

Boss's Office:

Tv continues with Heng meeting the boss in his office. Here we get Heng being awkward because he keeps remembering the confession, Boss using his nickname (Hengny) on H and explaining it and the set-up for Heng and Mo working together on the next case. This is quite different in the Jv, the boss is actually out of office that day and Haruta goes straight into meeting the new clients. I'm not completely sure boss ever explained the nickname in the Jv (Haru-tan) but definitley not in ep 2 (also he had previously already used it in the confession scene).

Meeting the New Clients:

After Heng, once again tries to initiate a conversation about the kiss and Mo evades, they meet the new clients Alone and Kaitong, possibly on site for the first viewing. This is, again, a story line where the Tv increased M's screentime and involvement as in the Jv Haruta handles this case completely by himself. In a more minor change he meets them at the office not on site. The clients are quite different though their conflict is similar. We have in the Tv: Alone, an insurance broker and H's junior (peer-mentee) at uni, and his boyfriend Kaitong, no job specified. (Alone and Kaitong are obvious references to Alan and Gaipa from Moonlight Chicken so all of that is naturally different from the Jv) The Jv has: Kazu, published author and H's junior (not sure where, the subtitles only say they grew up together but I heard "kouhai") and his fiance who is a marathon runner (I don't think her name is ever said but I might have missed it). In both versions they tell H how they met with the Tv referencing Moonlight Chicken, in the Jv they met when Kazu interviewed her as reference for his book. H being shaken up by their relationship is exclusive to the Tv where they serve to have Heng consider the idea of same-sex partnership more seriously for the first time. (Since they're a hetero couple in the Jv that doesn't happen.)

Looking at Condos:

Heng and Mo take the clients to two different condos with Kaitong prefering the first, Alone the second and them getting increasingly annoyed with eo every time. This is quite similar to the Jv though some differences are: (1) no Maki, (2) houses instead of apartments, (3) more detail on the properties and why each of the clients likes/dislikes them esp. for the fiance (e.g. Kazu needs space for his research materials, the fiance needs a big bath to stretch out after training, ...) for the Tv it's basically only cute kitchen (cozy home to spend time with family) vs. big meeting space (possibility of working at home). In the Tv both Heng and Mo ask the clients about their relationship, attempting to better understand what's happening with their own.

Back at the office:

Again we have Heng trying to talk to Mo about the kiss, with Mo first telling him they shouldn't work on this case together (because the clients fighting is already enough, they don't need to add to it) and then pretending to be asleep to escape the conversation. This, again, is a scene that basically doesn't happen in the Jv (since H worked on this case alone from the start). Instead Haruta talks to Takegawa about his clients fighting which leads to their talk.

Advice Ten and Heng:

Heng and Ten talk about the clients and then Heng tells him about the kiss and asks for advice on how to proceed. There are many similarities here to the Jv including the dicussion of the clients' fight (though Ten's words about the danger of transitional times is more similar to something the boss says on the rooftop in the Jv, Takegawa is a little more negative and talks about living together as two different people), H asking T about his personal feelings/experience (Takegawa in the Jv is somewhat opposed/indifferent to the concept of marriage SPOILER aside from personality reasons possibly due to marriage being unattainable to him as a middle-aged gay man in a politically conservative country without same-sex marriage.), H poorly pretending all of this is about a friend and not himself and T telling H it must have been genuine. Some more differences are (1) Maika overhears and later joins in the conversation in the Jv, (2) the gender of the kisser is discussed in the Jv but not the Tv. The Tv ends this scene with Heng touching his lips, a possible reference to the Jv morning after scene as mentioned previously.

Advice Meow and Mo:

Somewhat intertwined with the H&T advice scene we have Meow and Mo in the restaurant with Mo asking Meow for advice from his perspective. This scene is somewhat of an amalgamation of different Jv scenes. We have Meow and Thua's first meeting which happens in a later episode in the Jv, the fish in yoghurt dish + song inspo which happens in a later scene with Chizu and Haruta in the Jv and Meow advising Mo which also happens in a later scene in the office in the Jv. Similarities for this conversation: M saying he fell for someone he shouldn't have, Maika/Meow encouraging him about love. Differences: Maika's first idea being adultery and telling Maki quite firmly that that's a sin, Maika relating to the idea of love that's not meant to be (Meow has already met Thua so), no discussion of the kiss in the Jv. We also have Jv Maki saying he feels bad he can't stop feeling this love and Maika telling him that you need to play it cool sometimes and Tv Mo telling Meow he doesn't think Heng reciprocates and that he'd rather keep his feelings inside than lose him as a friend (this part is shown only after Mo tells Heng it was all a joke in the Tv).

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Lunch Tomorrow:

In the Jv we get a brief scene where Maro acts bossy towards Maki. Then Maki and later Haruta read a message on Haruta's pc from the boss asking him to meet for lunch the next day. Then we get a shot of the boss at HQ receiving Haruta's agreement and being happy about it.

At the Bar:

Previously mentioned scene in the Jv at the bar with Chizu, Haruta and Teppei present. We learn that Chizu has a new job, Teppei serves his fish in yoghurt dish and finds inspiration for a new song (though he pulls out his guitar and demonstrates it with melody not just lyrics), Chizu and Haruta talk once again about boss (that he asked Haruta to wait until his divorce, Chizu is impressed how serious boss is and still thinks Haruta should go for it then the convo gets a bit more crass with Haruta asking if she wants him to be "the Chief's bitch"[according to subtitles] and Chizu telling him he's got "bags of money"[which has a double meaning referring to balls])

Divorce:

In the middle of the previous scene there's also a cut to Choko researching about divorce and trying to find evidence for a possible affair.

Office at Night:

Maki is staying late (avoiding Haruta), Maika comes back because she left her charger, the previously discussed talk between them happens, Maika figures out that Haruta and Maki were talking about each other here already.

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Just a Joke:

Heng comes home to Mo sleeping on the sofa and covers him with a blanket, waking him up. This happens the other way around in the Jv (H sleeping on sofa, M covering with blanket) (there's also a bag with a carton of milk that Maki had previously asked Haruta to buy on his way home) Then in both versions M tells H the kiss was just a joke and H was supposed to have reacted to it as such. H asks M how he was supposed to know that and then tells him how stessed he's been about the kiss the whole time. Both H's are relieved at this being cleared up though Jv's Haruta is a little more homophobic about it (telling Maki "guys should never, ever kiss"). The beginning of the conversation is also a bit different with Haruta trying to sneak past Maki and Maki just straight up telling him it was a joke in the Jv, while the Tv keeps the possibility of Mo telling the truth a little bit longer. Both versions end with H walking away and M looking sad though the Jv also has Maki seeing time & place for next day's lunch meeting between Haruta and boss on Haruta's phone.

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Boss's Bedroom:

Choko tries to snoop through her husband's phone and hears him call "Haru-tan" in his sleep and asks him if he loves Haru-tan which he affirms. She mistakenly comes to the conclusion that he must be having an affair with a woman named Haruka.

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Clients Fight Again:

In both versions H looks at yet another property with the clients who proceed to fight even more and ultimately decide not to live together (not to get married because they can't live together in the Jv). Again there's a bit more detail on all of the reasons they can't agree on one place in the Jv. H agreeing that they should live apart (but not because of double comission fees) is exclusive to the Tv. (This might be subjective but I'd say both in this scene and the first one, H's friend comes across as a little less reasonable/more selfish than his respective partner in both versions).

You Reap What You Sow:

This scene doesn't really have an equivalent in the Jv. Heng and Mo have lunch together, talking about the clients. Heng thinks they'll break up, Mo tells him people who really love eo will find a way to overcome their differences. Heng relates that to the two of them because they love eo. He's saying this as a joke intending to continue on from Mo's "joke" kiss. Mo doesn't get he's joking at first. There's no such joke attempt from H in the Jv. The scene ends with boss texting Heng asking him to come to the roof urgently. In the Jv they had already scheduled the rooftop meeting the previous day.

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Mrs. Kurosawa:

In the Jv there is a brief scene of Choko arriving at the office in her quest to look for "Haruka". She is greeted by Takegawa and Maro (who seems to be interested in her).

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Rooftop Lunch Meeting:

This scene is pretty similar in both versions with H and boss meeting on a bench on the roof and boss giving him a home-made lunchbox. Heng's initial fear about getting fired is exclusive to the Tv (again: Jv the meeting was preplanned vs Tv where the boss called him there urgently). In the Jv the lunch is a little more elaborate but there is no reference to M cooking for H as the boss is not yet aware of their living situation. (At most one could draw a connection of the boss mentioning Haruta likes karaage and that being what Maki was planning to cook when Haruta caught him with his groceries and invited him to move in.) Both versions have boss anxiously awaiting H's verdict on his cooking, both H's find it very delicious. Notable differences: Jv boss tries to feed H at first and takes a commemorative selfie with H after getting his approval, Tv boss bites his lip as he waits for the verdict and gives H a spoon instead of chopsticks. Both versions then switch to talking about H's troubles with his clients and then bring up H's first case as an example of him having dealt with worse. Small difference in the Tv boss first has to remind him that he's supposed to find something for them to live together as Heng had come to believe they'd better live apart. The first cases are quite different in both versions with the Jv: daughter wants elderly man to sell his house as he's too old to take care of it, he refuses to leave because of a tree in the garden that reminds him of his late wife. H's solution is to replant the tree in the new house. Tv: son of chicken rice seller (another MLC reference) wants him to sell the place and move because he doesn't want his aging father having to walk up and down stairs so often, father refues to move because of his regular customers. H's solution is to renovate the house. Further differences: in the Jv we briefly return to present time between set-up and resolution of the first client problem, also Haruta cries when the old man explains about the tree. Back in the present Jv boss is a little more philosophical about their job and rubs H's back. We also get a brief shot of Maki arriving at HQ (whose roof they're on in the Jv). Then both versions ask H if he remembers what happened after that with H eventually remembering that a robber stole a briefcase from them, H caught him and boss twisted his ankle in the process. Differences: (1) Tv boss berates Heng first because his solution made them miss out on the comission fee (no house was bought/sold), (2) Jv robber steals bag with contract from Heng, Tv robber steals bag with wallet from boss, (3) Tv boss falls when robber takes the bag (and Heng initially goes to help him not follow the thief), Jv boss trips after H has caught the robber, (4) Tv H only talks about catching the robber, we don't see it. Back on the rooftop both bosses ask what else happend and both H's can't think of anything leading both bosses to complain that the next scene was the most important (Jv: "fatal moment" Tv: "highlight of the story"). The cinderella moment happens pretty much the same aside from some stylistic choices. Afterwards we get the Jv boss telling H he asked his wife for a divorce while the Tv boss promises to talk to his daughter (this is the first time Heng learns about boss's daughter). Both H's try to protest and are interrupted by M's arrival.

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Choko at the Office:

Brief interlude in the Jv as we see Choko at the office with Takegawa, Maika, Maro and another female employee. Maro is hitting on Choko (not very subtley or taktfully), Choko is asking the women about their names still trying to find a "Haruka".

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The Fight:

Both versions begin pretty much the same with M complaining about boss mixing private matters with work and making H uncomfortable, both pointing out the lunch upon boss's protest. Difference: In Tv boss immediately gets up to meet M's challenge, in Jv H is the first to get up to stop M while boss initially leans back into the bench in a display of nonchalance. Both bosses ask H if M is telling the truth, both Hs deny, both Ms reply that he won't say so because boss is his boss. Both Ms then declare their intentions to fight boss for H, both Hs try to react to the "joke", both get brushed off by M (though "The adults are talking" is a Tv exclusive). In the Jv M argues that he cooks and cares for H (this being the first time the boss finds out about them living together). Boss replies that he's been working with H for 10 years and has made him who he is today. In the Tv they go "friends for years" vs. "working together for over 10" directly. Then both versions have boss asking about 10 good qualities and M countering asking about 10 bad ones. Here both versions diverge a bit with the Jv: boss stating H's only bad quality is that he's too cute while M lists a bunch of bad ones which the boss gets mad at him for. Both then grab each other by the collar and continue to shout in eo faces. H gets pushed over in the process. He gets back up and pushes them apart, screaming at them to stop fighting over him. Some sort of bell rings 1pm and both men head back to work, H scrambling to pack up the lunchbox. Tv: boss lists bad qualities of Heng with Mo elaborating on them. H tries to stop them and they tell him to stay out of it, pushing him over in the process. (Both Hs fall remarkably similarly.) Boss and M repeat "He will choose me." at each other and push their foreheads against eo until boss gets a call from a client which snaps both him and M into professional work mode discussing how to proceed with that client and walking off together. H, still on the floor screams in confusion. The instant fight to professional switch is possibly inspired by a similar moment in the sauna scene of the Jv movie OL:LoD (which is imo the funniest scene in the entirety of Jv OL).

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One More Chance:

Back at the office Kazu calls Haruta to tell him they've decided not to get married because they are just too different, Haruta convinces him to give Haruta one more chance to find their home. This scene does not exist in the Tv.

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Bar Fight:

In the Jv H goes to the bar/restaurant trying to avoid M, we see no such indication in the Tv. M is already sitting at the bar in both versions though Tv H also sits at the bar with some space between them while Jv H sits at a table instead. Both versions have T&C/ only C trying to figure out what happened between them with both Ms saying nothing happend and both Hs complaining about Ms behaviour towards the boss (with Jv H also complaining about M saying bad things about H). Slight difference with Tv Mo saying and Heng believing that he tried to help H, just doesn't agree on the method, while Jv H believes this to be just another joke. Both Ms tell H they do really like him, it wasn't a joke, though Tv M does so significantly more calmly. Both versions have H alledging M had hidden intentions moving in with him, feeling betrayed and being pretty mean to M. Both Ms put some money on the counter and leave, though Tv M already tells H here that he'll move out. Both Cs smack H and scold him for his allegations when he was the one to invite M to live with him in order to pawn off his chores on him. (Jv H had already gotten his beer before the fight, Tv H doesn't get any)

Heng Home Alone:

Both Hs come home to an empty house and find food in the fridge. For the Jv this was the, in the first scene mentioned, dinner H was supposed to heat up, in the Tv no further explanation is given. Both Hs remember C's words and feel bad. Jv H actually eats the food, Tv H just looks at it sadly. Jv H runs out of the house to look for M, Tv continues the next day.

Clients Resolution:

Tv Heng meets the clients back in the first condo. They have made up because the separation reminded them what is most important to them is being together. They have decided to move forward with the first condo because Kaitong liked that kitchen and they plan on knocking out a wall to make a bigger meeting space for Alone. This brings Heng to a realisation, he thanks them and runs off. In the Jv the case resolution only happens at the end of the episode. Unlike the gays of the Tv the Jv straights need Haruta to help them make up. He brings them to an empty lot, apologises for being unable to find anything that meets both their individual needs and asks what requirements they have for living together. Thus forcing them to communicate they resolve their fight. The function of the clients has shifted somewhat between the adaptations. Both are clearly supposed to mirror H and M's conflict but while the Jv has H learn from his personal life to better help his clients, Tv Heng learns from the clients to better understand his own feelings and reltionship with Mo.

Searching for Mo:

In the Jv this happens in the evening still, in the Tv the next day after meeting the clients. Jv H runs around the city looking for Maki, briefly shouting in the park about the unfairness of not having a young woman with big boobs fall for him. Tv H looks for Mo at the office where Meow tells him he took the afternoon off. Heng realises he did so to move out and goes home as well. This is where Tv Meow puts two and two together to realise Mo was talking about Heng.

Apology & Goodbye:

Tv Heng arrives at home where we've briefly seen Mo pack. He stops Mo, apologises, tells him he likes living with Mo and asks him to stay, as friends. In the Jv H finds M outside also apologises, Maki says here that he'll leave, H tells him he needs him and asks him to stay and go back to being friends like before. Maki kisses him on the forehead instead and tells him they can't go back. In the Tv M also moves in close as if to kiss H but when Heng tenses up flicks him in the forehead and also tells him he can't be Heng's friend anymore. Both Ms leave. We saw a forehead kiss in the trailer for the Tv so it will probably happen at some other time.

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Choko Finds Haruta:

In the Jv we get a brief scene of Choko looking through all of the employees on her computer and singling out Haruta.

The Empty Lot:

This is where the aforementioned resolution for the Jv clients happens.

Set-up Next Storyline Choko + Haruta:

At the end of the ep we see Choko walk into the office and finding H, asking him if he's Haruta. (It's filmed in a way to make the viewer think she figured out Haruta is "Haruka", leaving that as the cliffhanger.) The storyline set up here won't happen in ep 3 Tv yet, but judging by the trailer will eventually, with the daughter taking Choko's place.

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Set-up Next Storyline Outing:

At the office the next day Heng tries to talk to Mo but Mo only gives him back his key and tells him they should only talk about work in the office. Ten calls everyone to the meeting room where boss announces a company outing prompting Heng to ask to sleep with Mo because he thinks by doing so fate will bring them back together. There's also a flash forward to some moments from the outing next episode. I suspect there will be mostly original material next episode as there was no outing in the Jv.

General thoughts:

the Tv is still a little more subdued compared to the Jv, all characters generally behave a little (to a lot) more calmly

we continue the trend of involving Mo more in the story, though this time the boss didn't get any cuts to facillitate it

the Tv continues to use H's vo inner monologue very sparingly compared to the Jv

Tv, due to its production circumstances, has the additional source for comedy in making references to other EM series/ irl EM lore as we saw this episode most notably in the MLC references

Jv Haruta tried to avoid Maki as much as the other way around while Tv Heng spent basically the entire episod trying to get Mo to talk to him

the Jv brings up the idea of two very different people managing to live together explicitly several times, the Tv does not focus on it as much

in general the Jv seems more interested in details and philosophy regarding the real-estate setting of the story at this point, while the Tv so far seems less interested in the details of real-estate focusing more on the characters/relationships

biggest story changes this week: - the clients, both in present and past - the continued absence of Choko - Meow and Thua meeting already

in general it seems the Tv tried to cut the more homophobic moments from H as much as possible, probably because 6 years have passed and the "homophobic guy falls in love with a man" is now a somewhat outdated trope in the (Thai) BL space

some, especially tonal and stylistic, but probably also story-related changes in the Tv are possibly due to it being produced in a BL context (established BL actors, studio, director etc.) whereas the Jv originally got created somewhat removed from established BL spaces/personnell/conventions as far as I know

#ossan's love thailand #ossan's love th #ossan's love #personal opinion:#so far i find myself laughing at the jv a little more but (especially the more i analyse differences) liking the tv more #i still enjoy the jv a lot but with the comparison to the tv the more grating aspects have started to bother me more about the jv #overall the second episode has still stuck relatively closely to the jv but changes are becoming more prominent #next week will probably have little to do with ep 3 of the jv #which i will instead probably compare to whichever ep handles this story in the tv #if there are any references/scenes/storylines/... to/from the jv next episode i'll still do a round up tho probably shorter #and not in this format as i won't be able to do a scene for scene comparison

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