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Ok. I'm about to talk about something that... maybe everyone else has already completely put together 😭😭 BUT I haven't seen much discussion of these kinds of ideas so let's just get into it anyway HEHE!! So:

I think I understand the Forgotten Man in Chapter 3.

Firstly, something that's always made me (and my friend. Shoutout if you see this) wonder, ever since I first played Ch3, is how this Shuttah says that TV World used to look like.... Undertale. Like they say it used to be Undertale. Preceded by a line that was something like "There used to be the great wilderness here:"

.....Like. Okay. Undertale. That's Undertale. Like.... Why? .....Hello?????

And then they say:

Which i always found Very interesting. All the Dark Worlds we've seen thus far showed no signs of ever having, I guess, a "history" before their civilizations were built. It seemed as if Card Castle popped into existence already being made up of its original four kingdoms, for example.

So the concept of a Dark World that started out as just wilderness and THEN grew its civilization BECAUSE of Tenna, like it's TENNA that created the world's structure and civilization, just seemed very strange and fascinating?

(How tragic is it that Tenna spearheaded the building of TV World and all its society, possibly as a way to keep the Dreemurrs entertained and happy, only for that, too, to become obsolete and forgotten eventually? Just like the wilderness he apparently built it on top of?)

But no matter. Because I think I get it now. I get All of it.

Let's cut to Mancountry/the Forgotten Island, the last remnant of any "wilderness" we see in all of TV World, where the Man says:

I guess I do question if when he says "the whole world looked like this" he means that it was like... A video game??? Or everything was green???? Or just in a general sense that it was more wild???? Or maybe all of the above. Because either way, the whole world used to be Undertale. For some reason.

I think the Forgotten Man and the Shuttah are talking about what the Dark World looked like before the Dreemurrs bought the TV and brought Tenna home. Or, maybe they're describing what the world used to look like before Tenna frequently began to be watched by the family...? One of the two.

But, crucially, I also think this is a representation of Kris having grown up and lost the light and wonder of their childhood. A representation told a little bit through our experience as players, too.

Because Undertale is something the large majority of Deltarune players obviously have a lot of nostalgia for. Once upon a time, when many of us were children, the whole world was a frozen waste, a watery basin, a metal desert; it was a great wilderness, with no infrastructure to force you into society, nothing to force you into contracts or societal obligations or anything of the sort.

But overtime, we had no choice but to grow older and watch as ourselves and the world around us changed. The new things we had to focus on in life, the boring things, the mundane things; all of these things were built over the time we spent loving Undertale without a worry in the world.

Of course, this is a bit of a dramatization, I know none of us... Forgot about Undertale to the point of having to be reminded about it by a Childhood trauma Tree man????? But still You get what i mean hopefully LOL

And again, the same goes for Kris, even though they have no frame of reference for the descriptions of what TV World used to be. We know the Forgotten Man has SOME kind of connection to them personally, as well as their childhood. After all, the Forgotten Man says "the whole world used to look like this," and then says:

So not only can he only speak in Kris's Dark World, he can only speak in the last remnant of the nostalgic wilderness that used to be their Dark World's entire landscape. Yeah that feels pretty supportive of this idea I think LOL

The whole world used to look like this: wild, free, barren of reminders of the things that have gone wrong or all the things that have changed. Maybe it all used to look like the video games little Kris enjoyed... the ones they inadvertently played with Ramb. But either way, it was childhood innocence, plain and simplistic fun.

Hell, not only is the island the last remnant of the wilderness, it's the only place that seems to house the people who never joined Tenna's contract, the Seven Flying Aces. Based on what the Shuttah says about how people who didn't like Tenna's change left, I think the Aces might've been some of those people. Especially since Kris apparently lost them in the couch, maybe them leaving and not joining the contract is the Dark World's representation of that.

Either way... as Kris grew older, as some kinds of strange and terrible things happened to them and their life never improved again, all of the simplistic innocence that used to exist here began to disappear.

In TV world, Society was built over the wild: boring things, contracts, jobs, a world that is organized and trying to be fresh and conform to the present day, and yet is desperately clinging to the way things used to be.

In the real world, what was built on top of the wild was boring, hard for a child to understand, yet life-altering all the same. Maybe it was struggles with money as Kris's father lost his job; divorce proceedings and custody arrangements; their brother leaving for college. Either way, in both worlds, things continued to change until all that was left of what used to be was this single island.

Kris never seems to talk much about their childhood, anyway. Noelle reminisces so much about all the things they did together whenever she's around them, but we have no indication that Kris ever says anything similar, or ever presents memories of their own.

I doubt they like talking about it. They'd probably rather this island not be here at all, with how they have apparently forgot the Man countless times before. But no matter what the deal is, there's at least SOME part of them that still wishes they could go back to these times. If there wasn't, why would the Man appear and speak at all?

And if the Forgotten Man does have some kind of connection to whatever traumatic events they've suffered, as I think is extremely likely, We already know that no matter how hard they try, they "can never wash it all away."

And at the end of it all...

It's unclear how soon he means by "soon" because just prior to this dialogue, the Man says "But one day, this island will disappear, too." The phrasing of "one day" versus "soon" does seem confusing and brings to mind different time frames... But change can come in sudden and unexpected ways, after all.

Either way, the world marches on. Forgotten Island is the last haven for those who didn't join Tenna's contract, the last group of people who refused to join the march of changing times. The last reminder of the times we spent with Undertale when we were young, But try as one might, no one can escape the march of time forever.

But even if this island will disappear one day, that doesn't mean it'll be the end of good times you had like when you were a child.

Kris may not understand this yet... But no matter how much is built around the places you grew up, no matter how much you try to forget everything the reminders of your past, no matter how much things change, no matter how much you've moved away from Undertale:

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The Other Puppet take but its a thinly veiled excuse to make more content of my rarepair

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Also divorce, don't forget about that one

i don’t go to deltarune but from what i’ve gathered based on my dash the party is:

the player character. nonbinary. please stop misgendering this character.

susie <3

the third one. sometimes a goat(?) and sometimes a (rein?)deer. these are allegedly different people but i have never seen them in the same screenshot before.

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the BEST THING about America is that one of their timezones is called mountain time. i cannot tell you how funny that is to me. it sure is always time for mountains in one fourth of america

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Battat!

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Everyone shut up and look at this carving of a whale from the 1200-600 CE Chumash culture

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I remembered some ppl wondering if the reason Susie's darkworld was colored differently is because she has colorblindness, so i decided to test it out and...

while its obviously not an exact match, it does seem to be the general idea behind the different coloring.

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this guy frightens and intrigues me:

his name in the files is literally Normal Npc. like ok.

he gets more and more incoherent with each chapter its scary!! like we're watching him lose his fucking mind & we cant do anything about it. it seems like all the other npcs have some sort of interaction or connection with other characters but hes just. there. alone. makes me sad actually.

the 'wait, don't' makes me feel like hes stuck reliving a terrible moment or something. he reminds me of the paledriver from disco elysium, the way he just seems fully detached from our reality.

hes so scary to me. i fear in an upcoming chapter we'll enter the library and he'll just be gone. and no one will say anything about it

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Chalk eating!

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canonical exclusively it/its user and people still call it by they/them. idk y'all will never catch me misgendering Shuttah

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I don’t watch I.I. Is this what happens in the new season?

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i shed genuine tears zooming in on this wall. it gets worse and worse the more you look. i thought i was insane but this is Fucking Batshit Crazy.

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Deltarune Mettaton idea?