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Crowder didn’t debunk a thing. He’s just a smooth talking liar.

1:30 says mass shooting aren’t defined so it’s misleading…. Just because there is no standard definition doesn’t mean the report by Jaclyn Schildkraut and H. Jaymi Elsass did not apply the same standards to the US and Europe. If their report did not apply the same standard it is up Crowder to check the facts than simply claim it’s misleading. That is him being misleading, not the report or Vox.

https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/mass-shootings.html

1:40 “They want to plant the idea that a rise in legally owned guns you see an increase in gun crime…” He wants to set his audience up to disbelieve their own eyes.

2:00 “They’re not using per capita. The United States has more population than the other countries” *Crowder shows the number of public mass shootings slide but LEAVES OUT the next Vox chart that states 2000-2014, number of shootings PER 1 million people* He’s just claiming people are trying to pull a fast one instead of admitting the video is going to make the same point 3 seconds later.

2:39 Then he complains that the per capita report is misleading because of fatalities vs injuries. So he’s moving the goal post from “they’re not dealing with per capita” and then pivoted to “fatalities matter more than the per capita” just so the audience doesn’t have time to notice what he said 30 seconds ago.

Also, if fatalities mattered so much he should go into why Finland shootings are more fatal. Maybe America has a better healthcare system.

2:45: VOX: “This tragedy seems to be happen more often in the US” *posts graph excluding gang, domestic violence* That actually deceases the number of mass shootings. Crowder: “It SEEMS to be happening because violent crime has decreased in the US.”  Here Crowder is intentionally ignoring that the topic is MASS SHOOTINGS not violent crime. Just because violent crime is decreasing does not change the fact that the number of mass shootings are still going up.

3:15 Crowder: “before she cherry picking data”

At no point did Crowder point out what data was cherry picked, the Vox report is still going off of the Jaclyn Schildkraut and H. Jaymi Elsass report which he has not proven was using two standards to define mass shooting between US and Europe

Crowder: “now she’s getting very specific” - The chart Vox is referring to now is the Mother Jones/Harvard (https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-shootings-rising-harvard/  &  https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/10/mass-shootings-increasing-harvard-research/), that report’s standards are defined as ”attacks that took place in public, in which the shooter and the victims generally were unrelated and unknown to each other, and in which the shooter murdered four or more people.” And the graph specifically stated “excluding gang, domestic violence”, so it’s not misleading, Crowder is ignoring the standards placed by each report while refusing to inform his audience which standards are in place and which reports have higher numbers and why. If the variations mattered he would have told the audience by now what they were and which report applied to them.

Then he drags up “gun free zones” and “psychopathic outliers”, which are unrelated to his complaint to cherry picking, this is to prevent his audience from realizing the report is accurately portraying the assertion that mass shootings are on the rise while using a consistent standard similar to the FBI’s definition of mass murder. He knows he is doing this.

3:55 Crowder complains that Vox is dragging up Muslim extremists and claims that the video shouldn’t bring up Muslims because of the first chart that specifically excluded gang violence and terrorism. He’s intentionally ignoring that a chart does not dictate the direction of the discussion and the Vox video is about mass shootings and gun violence so terrorism should be included too.

4:15 Crowder says Obama is about taking away 2A, Obama never suggested that, he wants comprehensive background checks and that is a huge difference, so he is applying a straw man fallacy again.

4:40: Crowder “Real quick because we’ll come back to this “80% of those gun related homicides IN THE UNITED STATES are drug related. Let’s go.” *flashes article for 2 seconds that highlights the “80%” but the sentences state “In New Orleans, between 35-55% of homicides are classified as gang-related. In Chicago, an estimated 80% of homicides are gang-relate. And in Baltimore, the police commissioner states that 80% of homicides are drug-related. (But again, most of this depends on methods of keeping records, and , often, personal opinions.)”

Here Crowder is intentionallly lying what that article said and hiding the truth by flashing the article, hoping no one stopped to actually look at what it said and realize that drug-related and gang-related are not the same and Chicago and Baltimore do not represent the US as a whole.

Crowder clearly thinks his audience is dumb and he might be right.

5:05 Vox: ranks suicide among the highest developed countries and how many were done with guns. Crowder: “She want to ignore that because we want to get to American suicides” HUH?

5:11: Crowder: “Suicide is a terrible thing but to use it as a political tool to remove law abiding citizens basic right to self-preservation is a terrible thing too.” He doesn’t know what Vox wants the government to do and there are other ways beyond guns to preserve oneself. In fact, asking for better regulations is about self-preservation too and he is wanting to deny that from us.

5:20: Crowder: “surprise these are unfree countries with highly regulated gun control” *lists other countries with higher suicide rates that doesn’t state what year it’s from and a map related to 2002*  He doesn’t list which countries regulated their guns or how nor does he delve into cultural attitude about suicide or if a wait period exists.

6:00 “Sorry Poland, Korea, Japan, apparently you’re not developed countries” Again Crowder is making a straw man fallacy by ignoring that she stated UN stated top ten developed countries. He does this to confuse his audience about how suicides relate to the countries we relate to the most.

6:35: Vox: *lists facts to point out that most people who attempt suicide but fail do not die from suicide, guns don’t offer a second chance, and mostly white men die from guns. Crowder: “now we get into the personal stories that hit you right in the feels.” No, they stated facts and that is all they are doing. Then he starts going into culture which he should have brought up around 6:00. But he doesn’t want to. Because talking about white men dying from suicide with guns is important to white men and people who care about white men. So again he’s derailing.

6:49: Crowder: “look at Australia, no change in gun related suicide after the gun ban.” *quickly shows graph that shows decrease of gun suicides while suicide spiked between 1996 (when the ban started) and 1998. There is no gun ban, there were two buyback programs and 26 uncompensated amnesties, and people have to have a license to own a gun.

7:55: Crowder goes back to the 80% of homicides are DRUG related *Flashes a headline claiming there’s a gang problem then flashes an article and zooms in so audience can not read it.*  

Even The Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank, disagrees with his assertion and claims that the Department of Justice’s National Gang Center says 15-33% of gun-related homicides are linked with gang and drug activity. (https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/here-are-8-stubborn-facts-gun-violence-america)

But that site's citations don’t offer that information.

However the US Department of Justice cites in their 1980-2008 report (https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf): page 26 “involving adult or juvenile gang violence increased from about 220 homicides in 1980 to 960 homicides in 2008. Gang violence accounted for 1% of all homicides in 1980 and 6% of all homicides in 2008.” The chart on homicides (categorized by felony, argument, gang, other, and unknown) shows homicide by gang remaining between 220 and 1000 deaths each year. Drug related deaths were lumped in with felony related murders. Even though gangs use guns the most out of all the categories (92% in 2008) but that still is not 80% of all homicides.

The % of drug related homicides range from 3.9% out of 14,831 (578) in 2007 to 7.4% out of 18,954 in 1989  (https://www.bjs.gov/content/dcf/duc.cfm)

So it is obvious that Crowder is intentionally lying about gang and drug related homicides making up 80% of homicides. Gangs use guns the most out of all the categories (92% in 2008) but that still is not 80% of all homicides.

8:00: Crowder says the US is nothing like these other countries when it comes to homicide *Shows a map pointing out cities world wide along with only Chicago and Baltimore in the US..* This is misleading because the US ranks #90 out of 230 with a homicide rate of 5.35 per 100000 people in 2016, so pointing out two cities isn’t give a clear picture on how we compare to the countries with similar socioeconomic situations like us.

8:25: Vox: *Displays speech of a mother who lost her son to a man who had a gun illegally* Crowder: “She’s yelling at me like I shouldn’t have a gun… again anecdotal information to emotionally manipulate you anyway.“

He’s making a joke to avoid a simple truth that crimes are happening by people who illegally have guns. He is trying to kill any discussion of gun control with emotional manipulation himself by lightening the mood rather than letting his viewers take a moment to contemplate consequences for lack of gun control. He is also emotionally manipulating his fans to take angry people’s speeches personally rather than objectively accept that they are angry and think of ways to solve the problem.

8:30: Crowder: “It’s sad this lady’s son got shot BUT he was shot by gang members. Statistically gang members aren’t buy their heat at Walmart… one of the shooters was already a criminal and could not legally buy a gun.” He is pivoting his audience away from empathizing and understanding her point where she made it clear a criminal shot her kid by implying that she didn’t make that point at all by reiterating what she said and giving more info.

8:45: Crowder points out that Chicago has strict gun laws but the highest homicide rate and then smiles, shrugs, and moves on. Who in their right mind would smile over that? He clearly doesn’t want his audience to be angry with reality or consider that other states are supplying the guns. He is only smiling to distract people.

9:00 VOX: *shows charts on burglary and assault from 2013 that show the US is not the highest with burglary and assualt* Crowder brings up Britain % of hot burglaries and compares them to the US, but doesn’t mention stats on per capita of burglaries. He then proceeds to claim Vox is manipulating their audience by switching topics even though that is exactly what he just did by bringing in unrelated information to confuse his audiences form understanding that Vox is explaining why they are bringing up burglary and assault to make a solid point that US is more lethal despite having less crimes per 100,000 people than other countries that have more gun regulations than the US.

He knows what he is doing.

9:45: Crowder “…manipulated. Because yes the US has more gang on gang crime where as Europe has more predator victim crime.” This is why he lied about gang and drug related homicides making up 80% of all of the US homicides. He wants to keep people ignorant of the fact that gang and drug related homicides make up 13.4% of all homicides so people will ignore the burglary and assault stats.  

Also note, he doesn’t give any stats on gangs-related homicides in Europe.

10:09 Vox: compares number of deaths from 2000-2013 caused by AIDS, ODs, Iraq and Afghanistan wars, terrorism, and guns. AIDs the the second leading cause of death in that graph. Guns was the highest. Crowder: “Why did she bring up AIDS? AIDS is not a serious problem for most Americans unless they’re involved in specific activities” *shows stats on how people get HIV*  Aids killed over 150,000. Guns was near 400,000. He is intentionally trying to manipulate his audience into ignoring that guns kill a significant amount of people compared to other issues we consider important. Then he switches the topic to how people get HIV, even though we already know, just to bring out prejudices against gays and drug users to dull our concern about the spread and prevention. That is also why he is trying to push the 80% drug-related gun homicides lie. He wants to encourage people not to care by bringing out their negative reactions to drug-users.

10:30 Crowder: “Why would you add drugs to that list even though 80% of gun homicides are drug related?” Because ODing on illegal drugs is a justifiable issue to be concerned about and has a significantly high number.

He is pushing that lie that 80% gun homicides are related to drugs when in truth he’s only talking about Baltimore. Considering that Gun homicides in 2007 was 10,129 (https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8), while the total homicides ranges between 14,831 and 14,916 based on the source. So it’s obvious drug related gun homicides do not make up 80% of all gun homicides since 578 is 3.9% of 14,831 and that is only 5.71% (578/10,129) of gun-homicides.

Crowder is lying and you should find another person that respects the truth and their audience.

10:38 Crowder: “How are war casualties not gun related?” Crowder wants the audience to not see the difference between our troops dying to fight extremists and civilian homicides.

10:50: Crowder: “I’m also imagining that this would be skewed considering San Bernardino would be included in gun deaths and not in terrorism.” San bernardino happened in 2015 while the graph for 2000-2013. Even if it was included in either or both categories the numbers would make any significant difference. He just wants to complain about little things because he has nothing better to say.

11:07: Crowder notes that the bar on gun deaths is including accidents, homicides and suicides in an attempt to counter the narrator who said “IT SHOULD BE CLEAR BY NOW, that this level of gun violence is a uniquely American problem among the developed world…“ She didn’t imply the bar was only homicides, but assuming the audience is smart enough to make the distinction between gun deaths and gun homicides and keep up with the other graphs.

11:10: Crowder: “That’s important because when compared to homicide rates world wide, the US ranks number 28….” *briefly passes over a list that does not show where the US ranks it just shows a list of stats relating to gun homicide* Others state we rank at 90 with the highest homicides. The countries above are not all developed so her statement is not misleading in any way.

“This is a pivotal sleight of hand here because this includes total firearm deaths right before she pivots.” Again, she did not imply that bar was only gun homicides.

11:14 Crowder tries to confuse his audiences’ train of thought by lying that the next graph Vox shows is going to lead people to conclude that legal gun ownership is the reason why gun homicide are so high, but the graph is adding addition information to add to the fact that people inbox the US have less restrictions to own guns. Crowder emphasizes on LEGAL GUN OWNERSHIP so people don’t consider that these other countries also offer legal gun ownership but with more regulations than the US.

11:50: He brings up the 28th rank again but still is ignoring that countries suffering with homicide rates are still less developed while Vox wanted to keep the standard on developed nations because the US has more in common with them.

12:07 Crowder: “It also ironically unravels her own point, if gun ownership is so drastically higher in the US but we’re only 28th rank an overall gun homicide rate that means proportionally legal gun owners in the US are committing less crimes.“ He is ignoring her point that gun access is easier to obtain which allows people to stockpile weapons with ease.

12:40: Crowder rather focus on the chart pointing out that the US is the only developed country to grant citizens the right to bear arms. He says this is a negative things, but when you look at how other countries force their citizen to earn the privilege it is obvious that simply having a right does not make a country safer.

12:47: Crowder: “which is tipping their hand because that’s ultimately their end goal and they’ll tell you your crazy if you say leftist just want to take your guns away.” He’s not crazy he’s an intelligent fear monger and a liar.  He doesn’t want to show his audience the polls where people say they want background checks, adding people with mental illnesses to the gun background check system, raising the age, banning bump stocks, basing high capacity ammo mags, banning assault-styled weapons. https://www.npr.org/2018/03/02/589849342/npr-poll-after-parkland-number-of-americans-who-want-gun-restrictions-grows

No one talks about having the government invade homes and confiscate weapons. It’s not something anyone talks about. And you can ask any person and they’ll all agree it would be ridiculous to have guns confiscated or end all sales of firearms. We accept guns are necessary since other people have them, we just want to end the escalation of guns’ lethal capacity.

12:53 Crowder: “Brief history lesson the US has 2A because of a very different history than other countries… the US decide to fight for freedom and keep that freedom and hang on that right to ensure we were never taken over by a tyrant like Hitler” *points out that those other countries were taken over by Hitler including Germany* Germany was stripped of their guns after WW1 but they voted him in and assassinating him wouldn’t have ended the Nazi movement. He doesn’t go into depth on which countries had what regulations in place during WW2 , which is a shame. But still those regulations did not deny citizens the ability to own guns.

13:13 He is still pushing that lie that 80% of gun homicides are drug-related. Then he goes on with saying that most gun crime happens in populated areas, urban cities and then adds that bureaus say it’s nearly impossible to compare crimes across different countries. His point about comparison has no place to be added with population density because the problem is that different countries have different definition to define crimes. Also his point does not relate to the Vox’s graph.

13:53: “You can’t trust someone who can’t spell Obama’s name right.”

You can’t trust someone who intentionally lies over and over.

13:55: Describes Obama making valid points about getting background checks as “demagoguery” is like complaining about people getting a licenses before driving. We shouldn’t let dangerous people buy guns legally.

14:03 “Hence the background checks. Oh wait that’s a bad thing now.” Vox never described the background checks as bad or causing problems. Crowder only wants to confuse his audience on the position Vox is taking.

14:15 Crowder points out that gun homicides have gone down by 39% then adds “this steep scary graph is designed to plant the idea in your head that more legal gun owners equals more gun crime.” He only pointed out homicide but gun crime is more than homicide and he doesn’t look at large US cities, he’s looking at the general population in the US. Other studies, but not all, have seen a positive correlation between gun prevalence and homicide rates. https://www.rand.org/research/gun-policy/analysis/supplementary/firearm-prevalence-violent-crime.html

14:40 Crowder: “this unravels her argument because regardless of background checks the amount of gun crime committed by legal firearm owners is either the same or very likely lower than before rendering this graph irrelevant.”

He does not state the amount of gun crime committed by legal gun owners. But if you look at Pittsburgh (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/27/new-evidence-confirms-what-gun-rights-advocates-have-been-saying-for-a-long-time-about-crime/?utm_term=.4c1da631629a) the Fabio study says that 79% of perpetrators carried a firearm owned by someone else, while 18% legally owned the gun themselves. The study showed that 30% of guns that were at a crime scene were stolen and of that 40% of those guns weren’t reported by the owners as stolen. 62% of the gun owners did not know where the gun was lost. One reason for gun owners not noticing that they lost their gun is that they have too many guns to notice when one goes missing. So what many legal gun owners are doing is being negligent with their weapons or selling them on the black market. Thus legal owners are breaking laws or being reckless with their guns and that should be a felony because they are enabling gun crime. It doesn’t matter if legal gun owners are not committing nearly as much gun-crimes as illegal gun owners because they still are part of the problem that causes gun crime by not taking responsibility to ensure their guns do not get stolen and reporting the theft when it happens.

14:50 Vox: *shows graph of gun death rate on a point chart. The US has the most guns and the highest death rate* Crowder: “See the slight-of-hand? We were just talking about homicide, and gun purchases, now we’re back to gun deaths, not homicide or violent crime because those would include suicides or violent intruders or criminals being killed by law abiding gun owning homeowners.”

He’s not making a coherent statement but he’s trying to say that Vox is flip flopping between death rate and crime rate, which can be confusing, but to people familiar with the subject can make the distinction. He’s ignoring that the countries on the point chart are the same countries listed in the suicide, assault, and burglary stats: Netherlands, Denmark, New Zealand, Australia, Switzerland, Germany, Ireland, Canada, and Norway.

Despite the Netherlands, Denmark, New Zealand, Australia, and Switzerland having higher burglary rates, than the US, while Germany, Netherlands, Australia, Ireland, and New Zealand having higher assault rates, it’s obvious Crowder is doing the sleight-of-hand by trying to make his viewers forget that the crime rate is higher in these countries despite having lower gun deaths. He also wants his audience to ignore that suicides with guns is probably why the US has a higher number of suicides than other countries listed.

15:45 Vox: *Points out suicide rate in the US by states and gun homicide while pointing out Idaho have lots of guns but lower homicide rates. Then backs up the graph with a separate study that takes poverty, unemployment, and crime into consideration when showing that gun homicides positively correlated to gun prevalence.*  Crowder: “Actually no, those outliers can be explained because there’s a strong correlation between gun deaths and big populated cities and gang violence.”

He didn’t point out any outliers, granted the point chart does not specify which state each point belongs to. New Orleans is what he was referring too, but that still doesn’t change the fact that the correlation is clearly there. Nor does it explain away why Mississippi is so high while Massachusetts is so low.

And him simply dismissing the study did a control on poverty, unemployment, and crime is not a valid argument. Every time he points out sleight of hand he is the one making it by dismissing Vox’s point while not using any substantial evidence to back up his dismissal.

15:52 Crowder: “… and IF this particular study doesn’t include big cities, but poverty, it renders it irrelevant…” Crowder admits he did not read this study and does not know if it includes cities or not. Even if it did not do a control for city size it does not matter because the study did a control for crime which he based as a urban city problem.

15:55 Crowder: “…because poverty is the biggest indicator for violent crime far more so than mere gun ownership.” He is trying to make his audience forget that Vox just stated that the study did a control for poverty.

16:09 Vox: “the correlation between gun ownership and gun suicide is strong. It makes sense.” *shows point graph of suicide rates for each state that shows a positive correlation between suicide and % of household gun ownership.* Crowder: “no it doesn’t, none of it does, look behind you there’s what made sense.” He rather make a contrarian statement than explain why it doesn’t make sense. So he’s using the sleight of hand to confuse viewers.

16:24: Vox: “depression with a gun is more dangerous than depression without one.” Crowder: “this again? This brings us back to the fact that the US does not have an abnormally high suicide rate….” Just because the US has a similar suicide rate to the listed countries does not change the fact that guns are used in most suicide attempts in the US more than other countries.

16:26” Crowder: “…so now she wants to blame the conjoining of guns and depression but earlier she admitted that middle-aged white men make up an abnormally high percentage of the suicide rate even though women are more likely to suffer from depression….” *briefly flashes a headline*

Crowder doesn’t want people to understand that men and women handle depression differently and use different methods to kill themselves and men are more effective at killing themselves because they use guns more often than women. Women are 73% less likely to use firearms compared to men. Methods are correlated with different situations. Overdosing is more common with long term depression while firearms are more common with reactions to acute mental health crises.   (https://www.verywellmind.com/gender-differences-in-suicide-methods-1067508)

The fact that she is pointing out that guns and depression are a more lethal combination does not disprove that there is a correlation between gun ownership and suicide rates since, as previously noted, guns are a more lethal method.

16:35 Crowder: “so again the mind trickery, we’ve gone from blaming the gun to now blame depression and the gun which counteracts her previous statement on suicides to begin with”

Technically no, she originally said temporary crises was where suicide stemmed from and here she is reiterating that guns and mental health are still a lethal combination.

17:07 Crowder: ”So here’s the big takeaway this video has equally represented mass shootings, suicide, and gang violence as though they proportionally contribute to the gun related problem despite the fact 80% of gun homicides in the United States are drug related…” He will not stop pushing that lie. The percentage is 5.71%

17:21 “…despite the fact that the biggest indicators of gun crime are big populated areas and poverty…” Dragging up cities and poverty does not change the fact that America still has a gun problem, nor does he bother to provide stats on showing a correlation between poverty or population to the rate of gun homicides. He just states it, expecting his viewers to take his word for it, while ignoring that other countries that Vox compared America too also have poverty and dense populations.

17:25 Crowder: “Despite the fact that the United States is not even in the top 25 in firearm related deaths.” Comparing the US to other countries less like itself is not a way to counter the success of gun control in countries more like the US.

17:30: Crowder: “Despite the fact the US does not have an abnormally high suicide rate.” He is ignoring that guns prevalence and suicide correlate strongly among the states and since guns are used more in crises than depression, less guns would likely decrease the suicide rate.

17:36 Crowder: “Despite the fact that was increased legal gun ownership, gun crime has actually steadily declined.” He is ignoring that mass shootings are increasing and despite standards being different the increase is still apparent among all studies. Just because gun crime is decreasing does not mean crime will not go up in the future.

17:41 Crowder: “Despite the fact that Vox had a beautiful canvas to work with at the outset by using the relative umbrella term “mass shooting” which was completely undefined and even included acts of terrorism like San Bernardino.” He is assuming the authors of the first report he is referring to did not use the same criteria for the US and other countries. He is also assuming where San Bernardino was placed and ignoring that the graph did not include incidences in 2015.

17:54 “It’s one thing to get your information wrong, it’s another to deliberately mislead people because the facts don’t stack up with your narrative. When you look at the actual statistics and data that WE’VE presented here…”

What he presented were a few quick glimpses of articles, headlines, lists, and maps. Nothing substantial that refutes Vox’s stats. He intentionally lied about one article supporting 80% drug-related claim.

He is only saying this because he is applying Goebbels, a Nazi propaganda minister, advice by accusing the opposition of what he is guilty of, since he keeps telling people that 80% of all of the US’s gun-homicides are drug-related while only flashing an article stating that Chicago and Baltimore gun homicides are gang and drug related, relatively.  

The fact he touted the 80% lie 4 times while accusing the Vox video of deliberately misleading multiple times shows he knows what he is doing.

He is a slimy pos sealed in a veneer of civility.

18:08: Crowder: “there are some solution where we could find common ground…”

If he is willing to tout a lie four times, he is not interested in common ground. Especially when he shows a headline of one proposal: Meet “Project Exile”: the proven, effective anti-gun crime proposal that LIBERALS HATE. He is not interested in liberals agreeing with him, he wants to “own” them. Project Exile has not received much attention from liberals so his title is to influence his viewers to think liberals do not believe in harsher penalties to stop gun crimes.

Maxim Walters, Bobby Scott, some black leaders, Larry Pratt of Gun Owners of America, Angel Shamya of Keepandbeararms.com, former NRA director Russ Howard, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership, Law Enforcement Alliance of America, and Libertarian Party president candidate Harry Browne oppose the projects but that isn’t simply just liberals.

By the looks of Project Exile, the stats show a significant decrease in homicides and robberies when controlling for other variables. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Exile) But that still doesn’t prevent criminals from getting guns illegally and that should be addressed even if Project Exile is implemented across the country because gun homicides still happens and theft of weapons will still occur.

18:30 Crowder: “Let’s assume for a second that you believe everything Vox presented here to be true that the US had a staggeringly high suicide rate…” The stats don’t lie, and it was never implied that the US had a higher suicide rate than others. It was pointing out the US has a higher number of suicides by guns compared to other countries.

18:35: Crowder: “… abnormally high homicide rate.” It is abnormal to other developed countries that are the most similar to the US by being developed. Pointing out other countries with higher homicide rates that are undeveloped is not a fair comparison because of socioeconomic issues.

18:37: Crowder: “That there was a correlation between legal gun owners and gun violence.”                          The stats don’t lie there is a correlation in the US and since there’s more guns people are more likely to loss them or sell them on the black market.

18:43: Crowder: “How do you fix that problem? That’s important, they’ve already shown you. It wouldn’t be some kind of an arbitrary assault weapons ban which really these weapons don’t comprise of most of this gun violence anyway. It wouldn’t be some kind of limitation on magazine capacities. It would have to be of course an all-out gun ban. Declaring that you legally do not have the right to self-preservation which is in fact what several Supreme Court justices argued before the High Court. That none of you have the right to own firearms period for any reason unless your jurisdiction deems it so, but don’t worry, you’re just crazy…”

He isn’t crazy, he is intentionally lying about liberals’ intents and ignoring polls. He’s probably being paid by the NRA to spout the 80% lie and “liberals want to take your guns” rhetoric.