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triskelegant · 2 months ago
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crazy that in the 1970s they were like, "fine, women can play sports. but because they're innately less athletic than men, only in a special ghettoized League For The Frail And Delicate where they get paid less 😊". And not only is that still the system in 2023, but viciously lashing out at the smallest challenges to that system gets framed as Feminist Praxis
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triskelegant · 5 months ago
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I agree that it is largely misogyny and transandrophobia is an awkward word. However....
Essentially what you're saying is that what trans men experience is some kind of intersection of transphobia and misogyny. We don't like the words transmisandry or transanerophobia for this. Maybe they could call it transmisogyny! How long do you think they could get away with that before they started getting hit with constant targeted harassment campaigns?
People need language to talk about the oppression they face and the most obvious one is absolutely forbidden to trans men. It makes sense that they would fall back onto ones that don't work quite as well. "Simply don't have a word for the specific kind of oppression you face" is not a realistic option.
In addition... it's a similar situation where a lot of the specific kinds of hatred and violence that trans women experience is because people don't think of them as real women, so they're treated like men who do not perform correctly (and additionally who are inherently a threat to "real" women). Do you think it would be beneficial for trans women to describe their oppression as "hostility to maleness" or something like that? I think there are rather obvious issues with this.
"transandrophobia" guys for god's sake it's just misogyny. they don't think of you as real men so they're treating you how they treat women who do not perform correctly, ie negatively. "they" is not limited to a particular category. can we all stop reproducing mra talking points but leftistly now. androphobia is not real even if you stick trans on top of it because that is literally not what is going on
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triskelegant · 5 months ago
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Expanding off of "it feels like the nonbinary project failed":
It feels like "nonbinary" caused the definitions of "man" and "woman" to get more restrictive and rigid, like if you're the slightest bit GNC in an urban center, you suddenly get theythem'd all over the place by anxious liberals, or if you express the slightest feelings of genderweirdness, you're expected to slot yourself obediently into the "nonbinary" box.
"Man" and "woman" as categories will always exist, and will always include the vast majority of humans on Earth, so "nonbinary" feels like this little quarantine zone where we put anyone slightly gender-nonconforming, to make sure that the "man" and "woman" categories remain unsullied by transgression.
I would probably be a lot more comfortable referring to myself as a "man" if man and woman were the only options, and I suspect I'll reach a point (and am sort of there already) where I comfortably refer to myself as a gay man when I'm around cis gay men, but awkwardly have to drop the word "man" when I'm around other types of queers.
(I saw a comment from some girl on my previous post like "I feel bad whenever I kneejerk refer to a short-haired woman as they" and yes lol, I do that too sometimes, and I also feel bad.)
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triskelegant · 5 months ago
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triskelegant · 7 months ago
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The terms afab and amab are very much about the social construct aspect of gender, as in, they refer specifically to the letter on your birth certificate that was assigned to you, not any trait you innately possess. Yet I routinely hear people using these terms as a euphemism for biological aspects of sex, because I guess they think it sounds more progressive or something.
"afab tweens get very emotional at this age due to hormones," "archeologists think this skeleton belonged to an amab individual due to hip measurements," stuff like that. I keep waiting for someone refer to a wild animal as afab or amab.
"afab" is not synonymous with "has a uterus" or "has two X chromosomes," intersex people with XY chromosomes can have an F on their birth certificate.
If you're talking about something biological it's fine to just say "male" or "female" in contexts where that makes more sense.
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triskelegant · 7 months ago
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In analyzing the sex-class system, feminists are accused of inventing or perpetuating it. Calling attention to it, we are told, insults women by suggesting that they are victims, stupid enough to allow themselves to be victimized. Feminists are accused of being the agents of degradation by postulation that such degradation exists.
— Andrea Dworkin
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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Very interesting to suddenly pivot right at the very end to specifying cis women. Can you think of any groups you omitted whose members are frequently fueled by fear and often genuine trauma, but who use that as justification for acting intensely hostile and threatening to select outsiders in harmful and uncalled for ways? Any communities with an encouraged and enforced norm of reacting with explosive rage if anyone suggests that they might not be in constant mortal peril?
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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men get told to man up for crying and women get told that all women should be banned from politics and the work force and never be allowed in leadership positions and are never able to make rational or logical decisions for crying like which of those 2 things sounds worse to you
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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Let's Talk About Bæddels: A Comprehensive Retrospective
(This post on Medium)
(@thequeer-quill's video reading)
Disclaimer
This post is not claiming that trans women do not suffer, or do not suffer as much as other groups of trans people. It is not claiming that all trans women are Baeddels (or adjacent), nor is it claiming that trans women oppress anyone else.
Transmisogyny is real, and requires much more acknowledgement than it currently receives. The trans community is very much capable of transmisogyny, and often does enact or enable it; likewise, trans people also often enact and enable transphobia against other parts of the trans community.
If you take only one thing from the following, take this:
We all need to work on being better allies to each other. None of us can gain anything without the rest of us.
Setting the Stage for Baeddelism
We can’t talk about Baeddelism without talking about Tumblr user @monetizeyourcat (“Cat”), and the ideology she popularized on the website in the early 2010’s.
Cat was a loud voice with a huge blog in the early days of Tumblr. Most of her popular content was humor-based, but she also championed an ideology that synthesized certain aspects of feminism, transfeminism, and communist ideals. Cat’s ideology is better explained here, and can be further explored here, but this is the foundation:
Manhood is inherently oppressive, and cannot exist outside the context of oppression.
Gender can be, to some extent, a choice.
Because of the above, one’s gender is an ethical choice with ethical consequences.
Being a man is, therefore, ethically harmful and wrong; particularly if you are giving up womanhood in order to be a man.
Being a woman is, therefore, ethically correct; particularly if you are giving up manhood in order to be a woman.
You may recognize some of the ideas here as a version of Radical Feminism: namely, the idea that manhood/men are inherently oppressive, and that womanhood/women are inherently victims.
All Cat had to do was map Radical Feminism onto the trans community. If manhood is Bad, and men are Bad, then trans men who reject womanhood in favor of becoming men are Bad. If womanhood is Good, and women are Good, then trans women who reject manhood in favor of womanhood are The Best. Which, of course, would also explain why society hates them more than any other trans person (something taken for granted by Cat and many others at the time).
This foundation was built upwards into a more complicated system of beliefs: cis men were viewed as “potential trans women”, people who did not yet know whether they were trans, had not made that choice, and could, conceivably, still choose to be women. As such, cis men were often seen as “better” than trans men. Trans men were encouraged to detransition, men in general were encouraged to reject their manhood in favor of womanhood, and “sissification” became a hallmark “joke” that the community forming around Cat latched onto.
The “gender is a choice” part of this ideology is a bit hard for most trans people to swallow, and Cat herself did not entirely ascribe to the idea that gender was always a choice. Still, even if men were intrinsically and inherently men, and even if they couldn’t simply choose not to be men the way she had, the idea remained that the so-called “ethical consequences” of being a man, and the harm this did to The Collective, vastly outweighed the personal harm suffered by “remaining” or “becoming” a woman. It was, in short, more ethical to suffer dysphoria in pursuit of womanhood than it was to accept one’s manhood.
It’s unclear whether Cat ever identified as a Baeddel, and she certainly didn’t begin the movement herself. She was definitely close to it, though, and many attest that her ideology constituted the building blocks of the Baeddelism movement.
Establishing an Ideology
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The first post on Baeddelism was by Tumblr user @unobject, on October 2nd, 2013, and liked by @lezzyharpy, also one of the original Baeddels:
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(Credit to @AcesArosandEnbies)
This post first provided the name and defining ideology of the Baeddel movement. The conclusion drawn from the post was, essentially, that because the root of the word “bad” was “baeddel”, and because “baeddel” referred to intersex people and “womanish men”, this old English slur was proof that transmisogyny was the worst form of bigotry; and even, perhaps, the root of all bigotry. (It’s worth noting that this etymology is likely inaccurate and ahistorical, along with problematic in several other ways.)
While @unobject was the first person to make this connection, @autogynephile (“Eve”) eventually became, in essence, the figurehead of the movement. Of the other Baeddels, some of them were explicitly aware and supportive of the ideology behind Baeddelism, some of them were young or newly-out trans women seduced by the personalities involved, and some of them were tangential enough to the movement that they didn’t really even know what it was. Baeddelism was a sort of trend, for a time, and many participants wore the name without entirely knowing what it meant.
It’s important to acknowledge that as much as there were dedicated members of Baeddelism, and as much as there was a unified ideology behind it, there were also individual Baeddels who did not understand- let alone support- the ideology.
That said…
The Belief System
Baeddels essentially built upon the foundation of @monetizeyourcat’s ideology that had been gaining traction on Tumblr in the years prior, with some additions that ultimately defined their movement:
Transmisogyny is the form of oppression from which all (or most) other forms of oppression stem.
Privilege is granted on the basis of assigned sex. (“AFAB” or “Assigned Female at Birth” vs. “AMAB” or “Assigned Male at Birth”)
These fundamentals of Baeddelism were essentially a rebranded form of Radical Feminism, much like Cat’s ideology. In particular, they drew from the Radical Feminist idea that misogyny was the “primary” form of oppression; that which all other oppression stemmed from. Baeddels only tweaked this idea to replace “misogyny” with “transmisogyny”, which led to the rest of the conclusions Baeddels drew:
Men are inherently oppressors, and women are inherently oppressed.
Trans women are inherently victims.
Because only AMAB people can experience transmisogyny, they are inherently more oppressed than AFAB people.
“AFAB Privilege”: The idea that within the queer and/or trans community, AFAB people receive unique privilege and positions of power that AMAB people do not.
There is no “transphobia” separate from “transmisogyny”. All transphobia stems from transmisogyny first, and transphobia as it impacts non-transfeminine trans people is incidental at most.
It’s important to note that these ideas were not all as universal as the first two, and different individual Baeddels held them to different extents.
Trans Lesbian Separatism
… was what the movement was ultimately defined by, as the logical conclusion of their other beliefs (much like Lesbian Separatism was the logical conclusion of Radical Feminist beliefs).
Baeddels believed that only trans women can understand, or be truly safe for, other trans women; therefore, contact with anyone who was not a trans woman was deemed “dangerous” and highly discouraged.
Trans Men
… also played an important role in Baeddel ideology, and the resulting treatment of trans men is what is often remembered today. Baeddels generally believed the following, either explicitly or implictly:
Trans men are not oppressed, nor marginalized at all.
Trans men do not experience transmisogyny.
Trans men do not experience misogyny, even prior to transition.
Trans men have access to male privilege.
Trans men have an easier time passing, and frequently go “stealth”; thus benefiting from male privilege as well as cis privilege.
Trans men are often (or always) misogynistic and transmisogynistic, and are not held accountable for this.
Trans men actively “choose” manhood even when presented with the “option” of womanhood.
Trans men oppress cis women.
Trans women enacting violence on trans men is “punching up” at oppressors, and therefore not only permitted, but encouraged.
Trans men become aggressive and violent when they go on testosterone HRT.
Nonbinary People
… are often overlooked when summarizing Baeddelism, but Baeddels did have plenty to say about them. Baeddel ideology relied on the idea that privilege was granted on the bases of assigned sex, and nonbinary people’s genders were thus treated as irrelevent; they essentially did not believe nonbinary people truly existed.
CAFAB nonbinary people are either trans men attempting to invade women’s spaces, or cis women pretending to be trans.
CAMAB nonbinary people are actually just trans women who haven’t accepted it yet. They must transition, or they are transmisogynistic.
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Intersex People
Intersex experiences, and intersex history, were often co-opted and erased by Baeddelism. This was often more a byproduct of their beliefs than an overtly-stated idea, but most notably, the term “Baeddel” itself is likely more applicable- if not exclusively applicable- to intersex people, rather than trans women. Making their reclamation of it as a “transmisogynistic slur”, or their claim that the word’s existence means that “transmisogyny is the root of all oppression”, incredibly ignorant- if not actively harmful misinformation.
Notably, Baeddels also believed that intersex people- being “more androgynous” (a harmful misonception)- were able to pass more easily as the opposite assigned sex, and that intersex people even within transfemme spaces had “intersex privilege”. Some even believed, and openly claimed, that intersex people were “hermaphroditic”; a slur against intersex people, and typically implying that the individual has both sets of reproductive systems simultaneously.
Trans Women
… did not receive universally positive treatment, either. Baeddelism was very much a cult-like group built around the firmly-held conviction that they were absolutely correct, and that anyone who disagreed with them was The Enemy. Trans women who disagreed with them were generally seen as brainwashed and self-hating, and trans women who did agree with them were expected to subjugate themselves to the ringleaders of the movement.
Within Baeddel circles, trans women were most frequently victimized by the abusers allowed to run rampant because “trans women do not, and cannot, harm anyone else.” - Including, apparently, each other.
“They were also bad shitty abusive people in general. “… a bunch of them passed around a pile of smear campaigns and false rumors about virtually any trans woman that they had a even the slightest animosity for. Including the victim of the kinkster rapist. They’ve done other fucked stuff, like chased two twoc off this site for trying to make a zine, but yeah. That’s like, just some of it. I’m not up for going over the messy details of the whole shitparade “Full disclosure, I made a lot of excuses for these sacks of crap, even while they were out there spreading false crap about me […] I wasn’t aware of the worst shit they were doing until much much later." - @punlich
Inside the Movement
Though individual Baeddels often existed in vastly different social circles from each other- particularly offline- those who lived through the movement highlight commonalities in their experiences.
One interviewee recounts the manipulation present in their initial involvement with the movement:
“It came to me at a point where I was very quick to weaponize anything anyone told me about their experiences, because I was always a fighter. I’ve been an activist for a long time, you know, and when these trans women would come to me with their experiences I would believe them. I wanted to. But the way they acted didn’t add up when compared to what they were saying. I felt really lonely there, and stupid all the time. I felt like I was being a bad trans person.” […] “Online they were more willing to say things that were, for lack of a better word, stupid. They would say things that lacked any kind of logical sense. But in person, they would go into this kind of toxic femininity- this weaponization of weakness. And I think that’s because online they were often in these echochambers, but in person they had to rely on much more subtle manipulation.” - Vera
It seems at points that the environment created within this movement- and the social circles that composed it- was almost cult-like in nature and in need for control.
“It was very isolating. I didn’t see my friends for a while, I was kind of just living with them, cooking and cleaning for them, starving myself, and slowly growing crazy. I was just being consumed by this weird academia and theory that had no basis, because everything was online and Tumblr-based.” - Vera
When Bæddels Took Them: An interview and reflection on the Bæddelism movement
Perhaps most chilling, however, are the patterns in their attitudes toward sexual assault. One interviewer recounts being subject to sexual assault, and upon posting about their experience to a Facebook group, being met with hostility from Baeddels present in the group- who quickly used their social influence to have them banned from some of their only support systems at the time.
“I ended up with pretty much no one to talk to about the experience at a time when I was already really, really struggling, and it’s one of several factors that led to me dropping out. “The Baeddel who got me banned also messaged me directly at some point during all of this, and I tried to get her to understand the pain she was causing me. She basically laughed it off and said it was my fault. She seemed to find a lot of joy in how much it hurt me, and blocked me soon after.” - Anonymous
Another recounts sexual consent violations from a friend-turned-Baeddel:
“[My ex-friend] had previously been fetish-mining me for her mommy kink. I was freshly estranged from my own mum, and she stepped in to be like, “I’m your new mum now,” and would pester me to call her “mum” in Welsh- as at that point she was going by a Welsh name. I played along, but it transpired that she was basically using that to get off, and she had a thing for infantilising transmascs and being this mum/mom figure.” - Luke
And yet another interviewee discusses verbal sexual harassment during interactions with another Baeddel:
“I had one [Baeddel] directly tell me that I’m beneath her as a trans man, and that I should “Shut my smelly cooch up” and only use my voice to uplift trans women. I was a minor at the time. “She then sicced her followers on me, and they bombarded me with messages telling me I’d “never be a real man”, that I needed to “sit on the side and allow them to have the spotlight”, and even telling me to kill myself- because I was inherently toxic to them. I was 16 years old, pre everything, and I couldn’t even pass at the time. They didn’t seem to care that I was a minor, or a newly hatched egg.” - Anonymous
Brushes with Bæddels: Recalling the Bæddel movement
While Baeddel ideology itself does not explicitly condone or excuse sexual assault, it’s striking how common these stories are; especially considering how small in numbers actual Baeddels were.
It was, in fact, this exact problem that would eventually cause the movement to dissolve.
The Downfall of Baeddelism
Sometime between the group’s formation in 2013 and their downfall near the end of 2014, @autogynephile (also “Eve”), the defacto “ringleader” of the Baeddel movement, began what Baeddels referred to as a “transbian safehouse”.
This was apparently intended as a place for unhoused trans woman lesbians and trans women who, in general, had sworn off contact with men; the ultimate goal of the lesbian separatist ideology at the core of the Baeddel movement. It was thus also referred to as a “commune” by some, and as a “cult” by others.
One occupant of the “safehouse”- Elle- later posted to Tumblr that they had been raped by Eve during their stay, and detailed their experiences.
The Baeddels, rather than believing the victim and ousting the rapist from their movement, chose to close ranks around Eve.
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Various reasons were given for this:
The victim must be lying
The victim- and anyone who believed them- was simply transmisogynistic.
Anyone who disagrees with the Baeddels is an Enemy Of The Movement, a “carceral thinker”, and a danger to trans women as a whole.
Trans women are incapable of sexually abusing anyone.
“Standing with Eve” was the ultimate sign of loyalty to the movement, and thus a mark of pride and honor.
It was okay to keep being a Baeddel no matter what, because Rape Accusations Should Be A Personal Matter.
(You can read more about Eve’s own denial of these events here and here.)
Years later, even people involved in the initial group have spoken out against the movement and actions of those involved:
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(@lezzyharpy was one of the original Baeddels, and one of the first people to like the first “Baeddel” post by @unobject).
This was not the only instance of abuse by people associated with Baeddelism.
Elle posted their statement on August 4th, 2014; between that time and September of the same year, another user by the name of Quinn posted about her own experiences with abuse at the hands of @monetizeyourcat. Cat’s roommates in Seattle posted about their experiences with Cat shortly after Quinn did. Both parties alleged that Cat had been a manipulative and abusive roommate, friend, and partner.
Cat first attempted to argue the accusations, then later admitted that they were true and left the site. Her blog still contains her parting message. It has been pointed out that this is not necessarily an action taken in good faith and desire for growth.
The reception of her abuse allegations followed a similar pattern to Eve’s: people who ascribed to her ideology, Baeddels included, believed that Cat was not and could not have been abusive, as a trans woman. Others ignored warnings about her past and potential future actions, citing transmisogyny as the reason she must have been accused at all.
It has also been pointed out that Cat’s ideology (and, relatedly, Baeddel ideology) was extremely conducive to abuse- if not entirely constructed in order to allow abuse.
Why It Matters, and Why Baeddelism Never Really Fell
Baeddelism itself has seen multiple attempts at resurgences by various individuals, including documented experiences with self-proclaimed Baeddels as recently as 2018- well after the movement first “fell” in 2014.
Most proponents of “Baeddelism 2.0”, a revival of the original movement, argue that the abuse that occurred within the original movement was either completely fabricated by detractors (sound familiar?) or, at minimum, not actually inherent to the ideology.
And, of course, there are some original Baeddels still active on Tumblr today.
Baeddelism never actually went away.
“Baeddelism” was only one name for a set of beliefs that existed long before the specific term did, and hasn’t gone anywhere since the original Baeddel movement died down.
What the Baeddels did was put a name to the ideology @monetizeyourcat was cultivating before them, and what Cat did was popularize, centralize, and justify a way of thinking that had existed before she ever made her blog.
This ideology has since been referred to, loosely, as “TIRF-ism”: Trans-Inclusive Radical Feminism.
It is rare that anyone actually refers to themselves as a “TIRF”, and there is no real centralized TIRF movement; rather, a loose collection of radical feminist beliefs circulates various transgender spaces. The validity of these beliefs is generally taken for granted: of course (trans) women are The Most Oppressed People; of course (trans) women are Inherently and Unequivocally Victims In All Situations; of course (trans) men are Inherently Oppressors; of course (trans) men are Dangerous and Evil… and so on.
Like Radical Feminism, and subsequently Trans-Exlcusive Radical Feminism (TERF-ism), those ideas are fundamentally dangerous.
The defining tenants of radical feminism are that misogyny is the root of all oppression, and that rather than misogyny being an issue of power and control on a society-wide level, it is instead, or also, a matter of oppression and privilege on an individual level: men are always oppressors, and women are always victims.
These beliefs fundamentally exclude and erase the experiences of other marginalized people.
Namely, people of color and indigenous people, who’s experiences with and concepts of gender do not fall within the strict and rigid lines that white, western, colonialist people’s do.
Radical feminism is not a redeemable ideology. It cannot be reshaped into something good. It is fundamentally broken, and the movements born from it- lesbian separatism, political lesbianism, TERF-ism, TIRF-ism, and Baeddelism- are proof enough of that. They each promote only surface-level variations of what is fundamentally cult-like thinking: only the in-group can be victimized. Only the in-group is safe; the out-group is inherently and universally dangerous. Only the in-group understands you. All members of the in-group are, fundamentally, incapable of abuse.
We cannot allow these ideas to be perpetuated within or without the trans community.
Learn the Signs & Prevent the Harm
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Here’s what we can do to prevent this from happening again:
Learn what Baeddel ideology and TIRFism look like, even detached from the name.
Learn what radical feminism looks like, even detached from the name. Even from people who claim to oppose radical feminism.
Act on dogwhistles. Call them what they are.
Do not allow people to downplay the harm all forms of Radical Feminism have caused. Remind each other that Radical Feminism is not a redeemable ideology, and seek out other branches of feminism instead.
Remember the harm that has been caused. Remember that it will be caused again if these things are allowed to go unchecked.
Listen to and uplift marginalized people. Allow them to speak to their own experiences, identify their own needs, and name their own oppression.
Remember who the real oppressors are, and do not pit marginalized people against each other. The people perpetuating and benefiting from transphobia are cis people- and more specifically, cis people in power.
Build solidarity with other marginalized people. One group of trans people cannot gain liberation without liberating all trans people, and one group of trans people cannot be targeted without the rest of us suffering as well.
Remember that there is no group or identity incapable of enacting abuse, violence, harassment, or other harm against another. Victimhood should not be determined based solely on an individual’s identity.
Remember that there are no acceptable targets for violence, cruelty, harassment, and abuse.
Red Flags to watch out for:
Using, or interacting with people who use, “Baeddel” as any form of self-description.
Downplaying the harm original Baeddels did: calling them “misled”, their actions “mistakes”, etc. without acknowledging the specific issues.
Obfuscating, ignoring, or erasing the abuse and rape allegations against members of the Baeddel movement.
Obfuscating, ignoring, or erasing the harm done to other transfemmes by Baeddels.
Dismissing, erasing, punishing/ostracizing, disavowing, or treating with suspicion transfeminine people who do not agree with Baeddel or radfem ideology. Insisting all or most transfemmes agree with Baeddel or radfem ideas.
Claiming TERFs only target, harm, or have ill will for trans women/transfemmes. Using “TWERF” or “TWEF” instead of “TERF”.
Claiming transmasculine people should not have any say in conversations about misogyny, transphobia, and/or TERFs.
Talking about “AFAB Privilege”, or otherwise implying that AFAB people share any qualities aside from being assigned female at birth.
Referring to trans people by AGAB, TME/TMA distinction, or even transfemme/transmasc frequently or exclusively; actively erasing or not allowing room for nonbinary and intersex experiences that do not fall within those binaries.
Implying men- cis or trans- would be better if they were made into women instead.
Implying attraction to men, or being a man, is somehow a “curse” or a “burden”, or otherwise unfortunate.
Implying a fear of men, including trauma-induced phobias, should never be healed from or sought treatment for. Implying men, cis or trans, cannot also experience trauma around men.
Treating trans men or transmasculine people as “acceptable targets” in any way; for harassment, for abuse, for misgendering, for inducing dysphoria, etc.
Implying transmasc dysphoria is “toxic masculinity”
Characterizing transmascs as hysterical, whiny, delusional, crazy, or otherwise using feminine stereotypes.
Implying it is femininity, specifically, that is targeted by the patriarchy; that feminine people are targeted more than masculine people, etc.
Using “listen to transfemmes” to silence other groups of trans people, and otherwise implying transfemmes are a monolith who happen to agree with you.
In general: espousing the ideas, fundamental or otherwise, that defined the Baeddel movement. (including TIRF and radical feminist ideology)
This list is not comprehensive, nor is any one thing on this list 100% certain to indicate that someone is a Baeddel- or if they are, that they are necessarily dangerous. It’s important to keep in mind how many people are groomed into this movement and abused within it; some of those who espouse Baeddel rhetoric may themselves be victimized by others.
But until we recognize these ideas for what they are and where they’ve come from, history can only repeat itself.
Educate Yourself and Others
It would take a long, long time and a lot more space to detail all of the damage done, the people hurt, and the dangers of continuing to allow these ideas to be perpetuated. Instead, I have compiled some resources and references.
I urge you to check these out, bookmark them for later, or whatever else works for you! (They’re also all much, much shorter reads than this has been.)
@baeddel-txt and @rejectedbaeddeldiscourse, two blogs dedicated to documenting various posts and beliefs held by original Baeddels.
Another blog’s tag for Baeddel history.
Baeddel.net, another archive of Baeddelism.
@AcesArosEnbies thread, and @gothmyths thread, on Baeddelism.
@quinndolyn’s recount of Baeddelism.
My own post on the origins of the Baeddel movement.
My own post including posts from Baeddels (and others) as recently as 2018.
An archive of assorted Baeddel posts.
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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in the United States women attempt suicide more while men die of suicide more. This is a pretty well known fact, as is the reasoning that men are more likely to use methods like guns, hanging, etc while women are most likely to self poison.
the reason for the disparity in methods is something people love to speculate and argue about. The theories include that women are socialized to care more about what their corpse will look like afterwards, or about the person who will have to clean up after them, and that men are more comfortable with violent methods due to more exposure to violence in their careers, not to mention are more likely to own firearms and be able to make impulse suicides with them. Some people, including mens rights activists, will claim the disparity is simply because women don’t actually want to die when they make these attempts, they are simply cries for help.
the real reasons are probably multifactorial. One important thing to consider is that in cases where more effective methods of self poisoning are readily available, womens completed suicide rates are much closer to mens and in some cases higher. This is true in china, where people often have access to extremely toxic pesticides and many women kill themselves that way. It’s also true of women who’s careers give them knowledge of and access to extremely lethal medication, such as veterinarians and physicians. Also, in countries where assisted suicide is available solely on the basis on mental illness, women are twice as likely to apply as men. So that kind of refutes the mra talking point that women who overdose are all simply making cries for help.
but like, what about these cry for help attempts, also called suicide gestures? Some people outright admit to making them, and I don’t believe everyone who overdoses on a handful of advil truly intends to die. However, the topic is rarely acknowledged and when it is it’s in a highly disparaging, stigmatizing way. Many people have little empathy for those who make them, who are often young women and teenage girls. Few ask what circumstances drive people to feel the need to take such drastic measures to try to get their pain and suffering taken seriously. “Boys/men are told to act tough, and hide their pain, and never ask for help” is a talking point used often when talking about gender and mental illness. “Girls/women are assumed to be melodramatic and irrational, so when they do ask for help, they often aren’t taken seriously, and have to resort to things like suicide gestures to get people to listen or care” is made far less often. Why? Why do so many people consider gendered socialization of the utmost importance when it comes to understanding male pain, but irrelevant when it comes to womens?
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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To be fair, the radfem blogs I hateread would rip this person apart. The screenshot is strongly at odds with the perspectives I see in those circles. It's very tradcath. Different sub-cultures I suppose?
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I once again get the impression that the radfems don't actually want to abolish gender.
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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In Invisible Women I wrote that “when planners fail to account for gender, public spaces become male spaces by default,” and this week I’d like to talk about two really interesting if disheartening heat maps which both starkly illustrate this truth. Here is the first one, contrasting how boys (blue) versus girls (red) used the space in a playground in Catalunya in Spain:
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And here’s the second, which contrasts where men and women focus their gaze when walking in the hours of darkness:
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To state the obvious, these images highlight just how inequitable women’s access to public space really is compared to men. In the first example, while boys are running around all over the place, making full use of the space provided to them, girls are for the most part restricted to the peripheries of the playground. Interestingly, there was one place where the girls did dominate: in a tiny section towards the bottom right of the image. This small slice of default female playground was, said one of the researchers, under the stairs — which will not be a surprise to anyone who listened to Visible Women, episode 2; as we reported in that episode, girls search out the “in between spaces” where they will not come into conflict with boys for their use of a supposedly shared space. The second example, while men are mostly focusing on the path ahead, women are scanning the peripheries, keeping an eye on bushes and dark areas. This data cannot tell us what is in the heads of these men and women, but by combining it with what we know about how men and women experience public spaces, coupled with the fact that the sex differences were, explained the researchers, most pronounced when the path was in darkness or there was no easy escape route, we can reach a fairly convincing interpretation of what is going on here. The women are scanning the area for potential threats, looking for their escape route if needed. I feel pretty confident in this analysis given not only my research for Invisible Women, but also because this is how I, personally, navigate dark urban areas and I never fail to feel furious about it. I wish I didn’t — I wish I didn’t feel I had to. I wish none of us did. If we could somehow harness the amount of mental energy women waste on this hyper vigilance we’ve had foisted on us by the world in which we live, this constant underlying, subconscious scanning for threats, we could probably, I dunno, power a reasonably-sized British seaside town. It’s such a WASTE. Just think what we could be doing instead! Not least: looking where we’re going! Which is what the men in this study are doing, peacefully undistracted by concerns about their personal safety.
Caroline Criado Perez, Invisible Women newsletter, 'Default Male Gaze'
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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After listening to NPR's Up First episode this morning about how doctors in Louisiana are changing how they care for pregnant patients even when they don't want abortions, including telling patients not to start coming in for OB appointments until 12 weeks and performing C-sections unnecessarily, I am THISCLOSE to writing an op-ed on how doctors are committing malpractice and failing their patients and their profession post-Dobbs.
I don't expect every doctor to be George Tiller, but this is fucking ridiculous and I don't think doctors are getting the backlash that they deserve for their behavior. I hate this vibe like we're supposed to feel sorry for them as they cut women in fucking half to avoid implications.
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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reading transmasc, transfem, & other trans experiences with transphobia & lateral violence in queer spaces it's clear that generally there is a lot in common. being left out of conversations, not having any resources aimed at your trans group, being gatekept from safe spaces for being perceived as "too male/masculine," being ignored when talking about issues that affect your trans group, losing support networks after coming out/transitioning, being ignored or harassed after pointing out community problems. i have heard the exact same raw wounds from all sides.
whenever we insist that any of this is universally unique to one trans group, that others never experience this & "don't know what it's like," we contribute to the very thing we suffer from. no amount of suffering absolves us from causing severe harm.
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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I have been unimpressed by the methodology of the studies and surveys I have seen claiming that detransition is incredibly rare, but I have been even more unimpressed by the ones that claim it's very common. It would be wonderful to have some trustworthy numbers here from studies that seek facts rather than aiming for a particular answer.
Also I would expect those numbers to change as the surrounding culture does, so it would be even better to have recurring studies. But currently the standards are so low that seems like a big ask.
Last I checked detransition rates were at about 3% and a decent chunk of those are responses to transphobia, and regret rates for gender affirming surgeries were also in the low single digits
If some medical regimen/operation had the same stats and the same positive effects on the general population, doctors would be forced to provide it at gunpoint
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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radfems viciously opposed to top surgery always seems so strange and hypocritical to me. like sure whatever you hate all things trans yada yada but you’d think that afab people safely and voluntarily divesting themselves of unwanted body parts that are associated with discomfort, cancer risk, and child-bearing would not be the unspeakable ideological sin to be purged from the world they make it out to be.
like, okay, let’s say it’s mutilation of natural femininity or whatever—keep following that to the logical conclusion. tubal ligation is anti-feminist and birth control is wrong because both disrupt the natural wombyanly order.
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triskelegant · 1 year ago
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Take Of Unknown Temperature:
Most cis gays with genital preferences have positive genital preferences ("I love dick/pussy, and if you don't have one I'll be disinterested") but they instead publicly claim to have negative genital preferences ("eww I don't like dick/pussy"), because the latter is more socially acceptable for gay people to say openly than the former, because straight society is more comfortable with gay sexuality when it's couched in negative terms, as a sort of unfortunate allergy to certain body parts.
This causes confusion when trans people try to rebut genital preference discourse with "but I never use that body part during sex/you'll never see it" like, I'm sorry but that was never really the issue. The gay guy who turns me down because he's scared of vaginas is probably not going to be swayed when I mention I'm a top, because there's the larger issue of "is he cool with a top whose dick is scentless tasteless silicone and who can't creampie him or spurt on his face."
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