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how do you feel about minors following you on tumblr/ao3?

This is a very interesting question, and an important one.

There was no internet when I was a child and a teenager, and in many ways it was time of innocence. We just didn't have access to all the adult stuff that is nowadays available on every lap top and phone and much of that stuff is very harmful for minors. Tbh, much of it is not suitable even for adults.

Parents of course have the main responsibility here. When our sons were growing up were monitored their internet use quite closely, and now there's even more "tools" for this. But of course all parents don't know how to do it or are focused on their own problems or simply don't care. But that's a wider problem. Parenting is hard and the responsibility is enormous, it can be just too much for some of us.

I have also thought about this from a point of a professional educator (I've been teaching children under 12 for about 20y) We try to teach the kids how to be safe in the internet, what to do and what absolutely not to do. But still it all comes down to what the parents/guardians do.

I'm absolutely sure that there are a lot of very young people on ao3 reading things that they shouldn't be reading. But it's something the writers just can't control.

Now you question: I'd feel very uncomfortable if I knew that a minor was reading for instance my fic Nothing Is Real, a twisted story full of sexual violence. But since there's no way for me to control who reads my fics, I don't really think about it. There's just no point because the only way to prevent it would be to just delete everything I've written.

My tumblr is pretty lame I think. Yes, there's some mildly sexual content but considering what else is on offer here and on other platforms, I don't lose sleep over it.

We are all in the middle of a great experiment. The human brain is pretty much the same as it was in the Stone Age, but now we are filling it with constant stream on text, pictures, videos and very questionable content. And no one knows where it will eventually take us.

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do you have twitter??

No. Too much hate for my liking. Besides, musk is a twat.

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Oh, thank you. I have along reading list, I'll keep you posted!

how old r u

Ha ha, interesting question! Let's just say that I'm old enough to have two sons who are both in their very early 20s and I've been a Beatles fan for decades. I "inherited" it from my parents <3

At first I was very wary of posting anything that would indicate my age because I didn't want the young people here to think that I'm some weird old fogey. But I've now realized that there are a lot of "older" people here too, it's not just me. And I like to think that I'm young at heart and I try not to take myself too seriously.

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Seeing the footage of those crazed fans during beatlemania really makes one wonder

“We’re going up to Benares. It’s either now or twenty years from now, and I’m not sure if I’m going to be around twenty years from now. We’re targets for assassination, you know.”  “Oh, George, stop that,” Olivia said. “Just stop that!” (1976)

[Alistair Taylor] recalled an incident [in 1963] when The Beatles were flying to London from Liverpool Airport, but George hadn’t turned up. The others went to London, leaving Alistair to contact George. “I rang him at home to find out what was going on. George said, ‘I don’t want to be a Beatle’. In a panic, I went round to talk to him and George said he didn’t like all the pressure and the frenzy of the crowds and the fans. Thankfully, he came to his senses and the matter was never discussed again until they finished touring in 1966.” - Liddypool: Birthplace of The Beatles

"When the door, in fact, did open, a girl reached in, grabbed George’s hair and tore at it. Out in the crowd, pushing our way through, I noticed blood trickling down his forehead. If you’re interested in that kind of frenzy, where love turns to violence, you should read a Greek tragedy called The Bacchae. Two thousand years ago, its author, Euripides, could tell you all about Beatles fans, only his hero had not just his hair but his arms and legs pulled off. Mum kept the head." - Victor Spinetti "He had a very, very bad experience in Manila and that remained unforgettable for George. He was a very slight man, very light in weight, and the fear of being vulnerable to fans, and crazy people, remained with him.” - Pattie Boyd

"Nobody else knew that George Harrison was in fear of his life ‘cause he actually had some poison pen letters saying, 'You’ll die in the next five days,’ and the assassination of Kennedy wasn’t so far away. It was pretty hair raising stuff." - George Martin "Those tours in the United States were crazy. The first big American trip, when we arrived in San Francisco in 1964, they wanted to do a ticker tape parade and I remember saying 'No, no, no.' That imagery of people being shot. Kennedy, Beatlemania, madness. Talk about pressures!" - George Harrison

"He used to enjoy a drink at the Row Barge pub in Henley but he didn’t go into the town as much after John Lennon was shot.” Mr. Robb’s wife, Mina, added: “That really shook him — he used to say that if he landed after a flight, and came out onto the steps of the plane, he would be wondering which person might have a gun.” - A Generous Man “I remember him visiting me on tour in Germany. He would come to the side of the stage and look out. But he really didn’t want to go on. He would go, ‘It’s so loud and smoky, and they are acting so crazy. I just feel better back here.’" - Tom Petty

"By the time Tania and I arrived at Friar Park, George and Liv were patched up, but angry, like all victims of violent crime, and in need of good friendship. Nobody had more good friends all round the world, and flowers and faxes poured in. We played guitars and sang. George was very shaken. I had never seen him like this. He needed constant hugs." - Eric Idle "When he had that dreadful thing happen to him in 1999, when he was stabbed in his own home, he was so emotional and was very vulnerable. He phoned me and said he couldn’t stay in the house, saying ‘Jackie, you know all the hotels in London, I thought the Grosvenor House would be good because I’ve been there with you’. I told him 'you can’t go there because that boxer who bit someone’s ear [Mike Tyson] is living there and there’s media around all the time. You can’t go there, George’. And he said, 'Oh, can I come to your house?’ So he, Olivia and Dhani came to live with us for a little while. He was a gentle man and to be violated in that way was a terrible thing for him." - Sir Jackie Stewart

"You know, I was lying there and I was thinking, 'I can't believe it. After everything that's happened to me, I'm going to be murdered. I'm being murdered in my own home. Since I'm being murdered, and I'm going to die, I better start letting go of this life, and I better start doing what I've been practicing to do my whole life — so that I can leave my body the way I want to." - George Harrison "George died two years after the stabbing incident, under much more peaceful circumstances… and that’s really the core story of 'Heroic Couple.' 'The point of writing that poem, and I didn't really know the point of it until I got to the end, was that it wasn't long afterwards that death proper — not imposter — happened,' Olivia explains. 'You know, if [the home invasion] would've been his actual death, that would've been just the worst thing. The fact is, when George did die, he did it on his own terms. He was very much in control and in charge of that day. And he felt that John Lennon was really cheated. I mean, it's one thing to have your life stolen from you, but to also have stolen the opportunity to leave your body in a way that would be beneficial? If you believe that the way you die is important — and I do, and George did — then to be robbed of the chance to leave how you want to leave is just the worst. And that's why it was almost like George earned the death that he had. Had he died that night [during the knife attack], I don't know how I would [have] recovered from that. It just would've been awful. It came close. But the point of writing that poem was really to say that George didn't die that way.'" - Olivia Harrison interviewed by Lyndsey Parker

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I hate that Pattie wrote that she and George actually always loved each other and never stopped. this is extremely disrespectful to Olivia and George and her new husband. And let's not forget about Eric, who she was deeply in love with, no matter what. I don't believe he loved her, but she definitely did. and George, according to O'Dell's memoirs, became a bit boring to her in the early 70s because he had a lot of his own problems

Yep, as I wrote in my answer earlier today I too find it a bit odd that she still keeps saying that George was her soulmate and i too find it disrespectful towards Olivia and her husband. But I do believe that they loved each other till George died, just not romantically. It's very telling that George went to meet Pattie when he knew that he was dying. He wanted to, maybe even needed to say goodbye.

I have read Pattie's book and Clapton's autobiography and I still have absolutely no fucking idea what their relationship was all about. Lust, absolutely but everything else, I just don't know. Eric himself writes that even though he loved and admired George, he was also deeply jealous of his career, his fortune, his cars AND his gorgeous wife. I'm sure that was his main motivation. And by the early 70s George was openly sleeping with other women and neglecting Pattie in every way and they were both drinking too much and doing coke. So no wonder she did some very bad decisions.

Their lives were so weird that I don't even pretend to understand what went on in their heads at that time. And of course only Pattie herself knows how she now feels about it all. But she was friends with George till the end but has no contact with Eric. That's quite telling.

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similar to the ask you got about pattie and george, how do you feel about olivia and georges relationship? (if you have any particular feelings about it)

I have great respect for Olivia. As a person she is obviously less known than Pattie, but i think that she was the perfect partner for George. They met when George was personally (the final separation from Pattie was painful even though it had been long time coming) and artistically on a low point in his life and physically fragile, and it's obvious that somehow Olivia knew how to calm him. Chris O'Dell tells in her book how in love they were on his Dark Horse tour, the physical closeness and happiness evident to everyone around them. And they obviously shared the same interests and beliefs. I think meeting Olivia exactly at the right time saved George. She saved him twice.

People like to focus on George "cheating" on her too. I used quotes because sleeping with other people is cheating only if you have promised not to do it, and we have no idea what kind of rules they had in their marriage. I'm sure that Olivia didn't like it, the hurt is all over her face and voice when she talks about it in the LITMW documentary. But she obviously understood how to live with George and how to make him happy, and everything else is between them. I remember an interview where Dhani said that they had talked about it, Olivia and him. That if they were going to allow Scorsese do the documentary, it would have to be honest, not some sugarcoated fairytale. (Here I have to point out the GLARING difference between her and Yoko with her fantasy version of John)

Speaking of Dhani, I'd say his character tells us a lot about their family life and about Olivia as a mother. I have heard or read only positive things about Dhani as a person. He seems very stable and down to earth.

Oliva and Dhani are doing a very good job in preserving George's legacy. My only wish is that they would some day allow people to see the gardens of Friar park. But I of course understand that it's her home and she has a right to her privacy. But still...

And finally, Olivia, just like Pattie, was and is drop dead gorgeous. Not that it's important, but still needed to be said.

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Oh, you are absolutely right about her being constantly asked about George. It's like Ringo once said: It was a couple of years of my life but it's all people ever want to hear of (i don't remember the exact wording but that was the idea). And yes, I'm sure she sees her young self like a different person, and her young self really was a "different person". I'm a different person now than I was in my 20s. It's almost scary how much we change when we get older, and not just physically.

What are your thoughts on George and Pattie’s relationship? Also, do you think that patties constant mentioning of George in her interviews and calling him her soulmate etc is genuine or she is js cashing in . (I’m sorry if my tone in rude but I’m genuinely curious)

Oh, thanks for asking! This is gonna be a long one.

First my thoughts about George and the kind of a young man he was when he was with Pattie:

He was seventeen when they went to Hamburg for the first time. And even though "times were different", the way our brain develops was exactly the same as it is now. He was nowhere near an adult. He was a teenager but lived in the middle of very adult madness, seeing and doing things that he should't have been seeing or doing and it inevitably affected his attitude towards sex and women. And then by the time he was 21 he had the whole world at his feet. He didn't grew up like the rest of us and the way he started to search deeper meaning of life just a couple of years later tells a lot about his inner struggles.

Pattie on the other hand had a very dysfunctional family and from her mother she learned the attitude that men do what they want and the women have to just accept that. And then she fell in love with a frigging Beatle.

I'm sure they were deeply in love at first, the way young people are with their first love. You only have to look at the photos of them to see it and apparently George was so proud of his gf who looked like Brigitte Bardot that it almost drove John crazy. Can imagine :D But even at the height of their relationship George slept with whomever he wanted, even though discreetly, unlike later when he didn't even try to hide his affairs. We don't of course know when Pattie realized it, she doesn't tell it in her book. But whenever it was, it must have hurt.

They had been together app. two years when they got married but in fact they had spent very little time together. Those were Beatlemania years and George was constantly on tour or in the recording studio. But as he himself said, "22 is the normal age for people to get married." And as Pattie wrote in her book, it didn't take long for before "the tears began." It was obvious that instead of molding and shaping each other in the process of becoming adults like young couples normally do, they started to grow apart almost immediately. I think George living a life that didn't actually suit him at all made things really difficult. He struggled with his identity as a Beatle and Pattie had no idea how to help him. And who can blame her, she was a very young woman living in a reality unfathomable to anyone else. It was an impossible situation.

And I'm sure George was terribly selfish, and it's perfectly understandable. All four were selfish entitled bastards, because the world revolved around them.

So, their relationship didn't really have a chance. But the biggest problem imo is that they were just wrong for each other. They came from such different backgrounds that they would have had trouble understanding each other even without all the outside pressure. And of course there's the tragedy of her being unable to have children. But I don't believe that even kids could have saved their marriage (it didn't save John and Cyn or Ringo and Maureen)

The fact that after all the betrayal, cruelty, coldness and heartbreak from both sides they stayed in touch and friends till George's death tells me that they were both kind and understanding people who had truly loved each other and something of that stayed between them even after the divorce. But now we come to the second part of your question:

I think that Pattie had every right to tell her story in her book, even though she rather weirdly glossed over some things that are common knowledge (her relationship with Ronnie Wood comes to mind) and the book was very respectful towards George. But even though I really like Pattie, I find the fact that she's still so focused on George a bit odd and calling him her soulmate is kind of disrespectful towards Olivia and her own husband.

I don't see it it as "cashing in" though, I don't think it's about money or even fame. But I think that after all this time George might have become a mythical character even for her and the fact that she actually shared her youth with George Harrison of the Beatles is something she wants to remember and relive. I base this opinion on the fact that even though I'm decades younger than Pattie, I'm still old enough to see my own twenties as distant past and everything that happened then seems a bit unreal.

I'm sure that I forgot something important and will edit my answer if need be!

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What are your thoughts on George and Pattie’s relationship? Also, do you think that patties constant mentioning of George in her interviews and calling him her soulmate etc is genuine or she is js cashing in . (I’m sorry if my tone in rude but I’m genuinely curious)

Oh, thanks for asking! This is gonna be a long one.

First my thoughts about George and the kind of a young man he was when he was with Pattie:

He was seventeen when they went to Hamburg for the first time. And even though "times were different", the way our brain develops was exactly the same as it is now. He was nowhere near an adult. He was a teenager but lived in the middle of very adult madness, seeing and doing things that he should't have been seeing or doing and it inevitably affected his attitude towards sex and women. And then by the time he was 21 he had the whole world at his feet. He didn't grew up like the rest of us and the way he started to search deeper meaning of life just a couple of years later tells a lot about his inner struggles.

Pattie on the other hand had a very dysfunctional family and from her mother she learned the attitude that men do what they want and the women have to just accept that. And then she fell in love with a frigging Beatle.

I'm sure they were deeply in love at first, the way young people are with their first love. You only have to look at the photos of them to see it and apparently George was so proud of his gf who looked like Brigitte Bardot that it almost drove John crazy. Can imagine :D But even at the height of their relationship George slept with whomever he wanted, even though discreetly, unlike later when he didn't even try to hide his affairs. We don't of course know when Pattie realized it, she doesn't tell it in her book. But whenever it was, it must have hurt.

They had been together app. two years when they got married but in fact they had spent very little time together. Those were Beatlemania years and George was constantly on tour or in the recording studio. But as he himself said, "22 is the normal age for people to get married." And as Pattie wrote in her book, it didn't take long before "the tears began." It was obvious that instead of molding and shaping each other in the process of becoming adults like young couples normally do, they started to grow apart almost immediately. I think George living a life that didn't actually suit him at all made things really difficult. He struggled with his identity as a Beatle and Pattie had no idea how to help him. And who can blame her, she was a very young woman living in a reality unfathomable to anyone else. It was an impossible situation.

And I'm sure George was terribly selfish, and it's perfectly understandable. All four were selfish entitled bastards, because the world revolved around them.

So, their relationship didn't really have a chance. But the biggest problem imo is that they were just wrong for each other. They came from such different backgrounds that they would have had trouble understanding each other even without all the outside pressure. And of course there's the tragedy of her being unable to have children. But I don't believe that even kids could have saved their marriage (it didn't save John and Cyn or Ringo and Maureen)

The fact that after all the betrayal, cruelty, coldness and heartbreak from both sides they stayed in touch and friends till George's death tells me that they were both kind and understanding people who had truly loved each other and something of that stayed between them even after the divorce. But now we come to the second part of your question:

I think that Pattie had every right to tell her story in her book, even though she rather weirdly glossed over some things that are common knowledge (her relationship with Ronnie Wood comes to mind) and the book was very respectful towards George. But even though I really like Pattie, I find the fact that she's still so focused on George a bit odd and calling him her soulmate is kind of disrespectful towards Olivia and her own husband.

I don't see it it as "cashing in" though, I don't think it's about money or even fame. But I think that after all this time George might have become a mythical character even for her and the fact that she actually shared her youth with George Harrison of the Beatles is something she wants to remember and relive. I base this opinion on the fact that even though I'm decades younger than Pattie, I'm still old enough to see my own twenties as distant past and everything that happened then seems a bit unreal.

I'm sure that I forgot something important and will edit my answer if need be!

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how old r u

Ha ha, interesting question! Let's just say that I'm old enough to have two sons who are both in their very early 20s and I've been a Beatles fan for decades. I "inherited" it from my parents <3

At first I was very wary of posting anything that would indicate my age because I didn't want the young people here to think that I'm some weird old fogey. But I've now realized that there are a lot of "older" people here too, it's not just me. And I like to think that I'm young at heart and I try not to take myself too seriously.

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This is John in chapter 5 of In Heat

https://archiveofourown.org/works/68142011/chapters/180813266#workskin

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They would have taken your kidneys as payment and sliced them up raw to be used as filling in their prellie sandwiches

i would sell my kidneys to be able to see the beatles live in hamburg (1960)

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And then j&p fixated on george being younger so badly that somehow his and paul's age difference grew from 8months to year and a half

i was so tiny 👉👈

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We are visiting our son. Almost every piece of furniture he has is from the sixties, it's like stepping back in time. And he has this issue of Life on his coffee table. I give myself 1000/10 on parenting

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Ooh this is lovely,thank you❤️Will reblog with a picture of my husband wearing THE SHIRT. I bought it for him for his bd

appreciation post for george's blue mad day out t-shirt

(consider this one my gift to the lovely @v197sstuff)

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John and George, pals and buddies. It's heartbreaking to think how things were between them when John was killed, it must have been terrible for George. And all because of John's incomprehensible pettiness over George's book

“John used to go on and on about George. About what a nice boy he was and how I’d like him. He went to great lengths to impress me with George. ‘Give you anything, George’, he’d say.” - Aunt Mimi

“John treated George with a mixture of fondness and disdain he might show a younger brother.” - Cynthia Lennon

“After Stuart’s sad death in Hamburg, it was George who worried most about the impact on John’s emotional well-being. When John and George made that visit to the apartment that Stuart shared with Astrid, the young photographer remembers, George displayed a sense of almost brotherly love.” - Larry Kane

“John was broken-hearted because he’d suffered another loss. But George is standing behind him, with a look of ‘I’ll look after you’, with a very grown-up strength in his face.” - Astrid Kirchherr

“John could be a bastard, but when it came to George Harrison, nothing was ever enough. When George came into the office [Apple], John would stop whatever he was doing to spend time with him. I think he viewed him as a younger brother.“ - Linda Reig (Apple Employee) 

“George was very, very heavily influenced by John, all of John’s thinking and the way John did things in the world, and the way he handled his Beatledom, you know. I think that George was very affected by that.” - Jim Keltner

“John always worried about George. He was constantly on the phone to him.” - May Pang 

“When we were alone John told me, ‘I saw George goin’ through pain and I know what pain is about. So I let him do it. I’ll go out and help him or whatever it is he wants me to do.’“ - May Pang

“We watched [George’s concert] from the side of the stage, my favorite place of all because you can see the musicians and the audience all at once. John smiled and tapped his foot the whole time, like a proud older sibling watching his kid brother score a touchdown.” - Chris O'Dell 

“[George] looked up to John so much. He said, ‘Oh, John would be a Wilbury in a second.’” - Tom Petty

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Finally something good from the sewer that is r/beatles, a discussion about "biggest beatles what ifs"

Someone wrote that What if George insisted wearing nothing but a tiger print bikini every time they would redord.

This is all I can think of now

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This pic is one of my all time favorites. George is so young and adorable. He looks like the boy he still is. Their age difference is so obvious here, Ringo already looks like a young adult. This is the beginning of a beautiful lifelong friendship