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From an interview with Jeff's former platoon leader David D. Goss

Jeff would leave the base on Friday, taking a cab, and was not seen anymore until Saturday or Sunday.

Jeff was considered a "loser with no close friends".

Unlike others Jeff's setup in the barracks was strictly military. He didn't have any pictures of his family on the wall.

Jeff never received any mail.

He seldom spoke about his family. Goss did not even know Jeff had a brother.

He never talked about sex at all. When the topic of homosexuality came up, Goss said that Jeff was against it and the lifestyle of the like.

Jeff was said to have occasionally read books and magazines during his time at the army and that he can carry on "a lengthy and intelligent conversation on any subject"

During the last six months in Germany, Jeff just stayed in bed, drink and crack jokes. He was so drunk he'd screw up his punch line then laugh.

Once Goss asked Jeff if something is bugging him and he answered: "Yes, but I can't discuss it with you..."

-> Unfortunately I do not have the original source, I found this on twitter (ezxshane) If anyone does have a link, or knows more about this - please feel free to add the link or educate me!

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Depressing things Jeffrey Dahmer once said:

Once the identifications were complete, Dahmer felt that life had well and truly come to an end, that his past was irretrievably lost, blown away, and himself with it. "It's just like a big chunk of me has ripped out and I'm not quite whole. I don't think I'm over-dramatizing, and I'm certainly deserving it, but the way I feel now, it's like you're talking to someone who is terminally ill and facing death. Death would be preferable to what I'm facing. I just feel like imploding upon myself, you know? I just want to go somewhere and disappear."

"When you've done the type of things I've done it's easier not to reflect on yourself. When I start thinking about how it's affecting the families of the people, and my family and everything, it doesn't do me any good. It just gets me very upset. But the mind cannot stop itself from working, and thoughts cannot be turned away at will."

About depression: It was "the sense of total, final hopelessness. That's quite a sensation. I imagine it's a bit what hell is like."

"If I could just stop that little throbbing muscle in my chest," he said one day. "Give me a cyanide pill," on another.

"If I was killed in prison. That would almost be a blessing right now."

"[using] pencils [to commit suicide] would be useless. All that would do is create pain and I have enough of that already."

Being notorious was an added difficulty for somebody as private as Dahmer. He had to get used to him hearing his name whispered and people staring when he passed him. "It would be nice just to sit down anonymously with someone and not be known and strike up a conversation about the weather or something; not to have to talk about this."

"I should have got a college degree and gone into real estate and got myself an aquarium, that's what I should have done."

"I don't think I'm capable of creating anything. I think the only thing I'm capable of is destroying... I'm sick and tired of being destructive. What worth is life if you can't be helpful to someone?"

— The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer, Chapter 8 (pages 201 - 205)

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The Shrine of Jeffrey Dahmer - The Child

The baby was born at the Evangelical Deaconess Hospital in Milwaukee at 4.34 p.m. on 21 May, 1960. Weighing 6 pounds and 15 ounces, he was 181⁄2 inches long, with auburn hair and luminously blue eyes. Lionel and Joyce were entranced by him, their life together momentarily joyous as a result. Joyce began a baby scrapbook in which his every twitch and turn were lovingly recorded, remarking that the baby ‘scared us by having correctional casts on his legs from birth till four months’, but all was fine. He would only need 1 1⁄8 inch lifts on his shoes up to about the age of six. Otherwise, he was absolutely perfect. They named him Jeffrey Lionel.

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The Jeffrey Dahmer Files [aka. Jeff] (2012): Archival footage

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He's watching us... (credits to ruyaxss on twitter)

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He's watching us... (credits to ruyaxss on twitter)

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Robert Ressler: "Interview with a Cannibal: Jeffrey Dahmer" —Some notes || Part 1

The time before Jeffrey Dahmer committed his first crime, he had been attacked himself, he was the victim - his words - for no reason. "I was up visiting a friend's, and was walking back home in the evening, and saw these three seniors, seniors in high school approaching. I just had a feeling that something was going to happen, and sure enough, one of them just took out a billy club and whacked me on the back of the neck. For no reason. Didn't say anything, just hit somebody. And I ran"

About his sexuality: "In the township where I was at, homosexuality was the ultimate taboo. It was never discussed, never. I had desires to be with someone, but never met anyone that was gay, that I know of; so that was sexually frustrating."

Jeff claimed that his fantasies of meeting a hitchhiker came from within, and not from any movie or book. Jeff admitted that he was very frightened after he killed Hicks, and that he 'paced the house for a while'.

"Where you nervous when [the police] stopped you? [having the bags in the back of his car] — "That's an understatement."

Jeff stated that he never wanted to hurt anybody. He used the sleeping pills to make his victims unconscious so he could have complete control over them without hurting them. In the beginning he didn't even have thoughts of taking someone home. "That's why I started using the mannequin. [...] I wanted to find a way to satisfy myself without hurting anyone."

For about two years Jeff was successful suppressing his feelings and dark fantasies: "In about 1983, I started going to church with gramma. I wanted to straighten my life out. Went to church, read the Bible, tried to push out any sexual thoughts at all, and I was doing pretty well for about two years."

After receiving that note in the library Jeff's fantasies increased again and he started drinking again. "So I joined the bath club, went to the gay bars, and tried to satisfy with the mannequin." But the mannequin didn't work, so Jeff once went to a funeral home after reading the news that an 18year old had died. He saw the body, found him so attractive that he escaped to the funeral home's bathroom to masturbate. At night he went to the cemetery and wanted to dig up the young man's body to take him home, but it didn't work since the ground was frozen [* and he heard an owl hooting and a dog barking that scared him off - added from The Shrine]

At the Ambassador Jeff booked the room in his own name. If it had been in Steven Tuomi's name though Jeff would have left the body right there instead of taking him home.

After about eight years Jeff moved out of grandma Catherine's house to get his own apartment, where he "wouldn't be so restricted". Nevertheless they continued helping each other out: "I continued the month's rent, did the yard work, shoveling snow, and she made me meals, so when I got my own place, it worked out nicely."

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True Crime Myths

This iconic photograph of a man with a "Snow Bong" has long been associated with serial killer, Jeffrey Dahmer. However, this is not Dahmer. Internet sleuths tracked the exact make and model of the man's wristwatch to prove that the photograph was taken in the 80's, way out of the timeframe for Dahmer to have been this pot-smoking college student.

The original poster eventually confirmed this and said this image was taken in October 1982, claiming that it was his friend “Scott Burgeson” who created the snowy smoking device.

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Huh, interesting. Apparently Jeffrey Dahmer was a victim of being drugged and raped himself, in his days of going to gay bars to drug and rape various men. I wonder why he didn’t seek revenge or react more violently. I wish I could ask if that gave him any different perspective on what he was doing. Its also odd that the guy just let Dahmer go when he said to.

Dahmer’s statement of the event to police:

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Jeffrey Dahmer appears at Milwaukee County Circuit Court where he pleaded not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect to 15 murder charges on September 10, 1991.

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There is something contradictory in Jeffrey's speech, when he said that what he really wanted was to have complete control over someone's body, but then at other times he said that he killed because he was afraid of the person to leave him, as if what he really wanted was the company of someone else. This makes sense not only because of the fact that he was left alone at home when he was a teenager, which could have been a traumatic experience, but also because of the way he took care of the victim's bodies when he cared them, saved some parts, and even ate them so they could stay with him forever.

Although contradictory, these two desires may be related. Control can be not only in the sexual act, but also in the entry and exit of the person in his life. He controls when the person stays, and when the person leaves, and that somehow brings not only desire, but also relief of the fear of being abandoned, as if now he really was in control of the situation. He has the illusion of controlling the pain he feels from the trauma of being alone.

This may also be related to the child development phase, when babies cry wanting their mother's attention. A mother knows that her baby initially doesn't cry only because of the need for food or changing diapers, but also because the baby needs love, attention and affection. When babies cry, they are not only fed, but also cherished, receiving unconditional love and care. The baby's cry is a way of controlling the coming and going of the mother, and it is an important part of childhood development.

Unconsciously, Jeffrey may be trying to overcome this lack of affection from his childhood through this control over the other.

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I see a lot of theories saying that Jeffrey was a liar, that he interacted with his family and neighbors normally even though he was a murderer as if nothing was happening. In my opinion, this theory is partially correct, but I believe it is much more complex than that. When we see Jeffrey smiling in the videos, interacting with his family, or when he would go play cards with his neighbors, being a nice guy, saying "good morning" while he was walking down the hall of his building, it wasn't just a lie. In my opinion, this was a genuine ATTEMPT of him to feel like a normal person. He was REALLY TRYING to do normal things and feel part of the real world like everyone else.

He killed, raped and ate corpses, but he also went to a pet store to buy things to take care for his fish. When he was arrested, his neighbors were worried about him, they wanted to know if he was okay because Jeffrey Dahmer WAS A NICE GUY. And when they discovered the full horror of his crimes, everyone around him was extremely shocked.

Most ordinary people will think this is unimaginable because for them, when someone is evil, that person should be evil 100% of the time. It's hard to understand that human beings don't work like that, and that we are capable of being good and evil at the same time on the most subtle and frightening levels possible.

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which parts of dahmer did you notice were inaccurate to the real story?

the biggest inaccuracies were Tony Hughes, and Glenda Cleveland. Glenda was not Dahmer’s neighbor; she lived in a building next door to his building, and her involvement in his case was not as large as the series portrays it to be. Her being portrayed as his neighbor seemed to be added more for the dramatization. She did call the police over the young asian boy, though. This is true. But her overall involvement as a main figure of his case isn’t entirely accurate. She was not that involved. It seems the series merged Glenda and Pamela Bass into one character. Bass was his neighbor, and she is the one that said Dahmer made her a sandwich. (Which I believe Pamela actually ate, unless I’m mistaken)

There is also a news broadcast in the series saying five white officers beat a black undercover officer, but if this happened, there is no record of it. So I think this was added purely to try and portray the police’s failure to stop Dahmer due to them not caring about black men, especially gay black men.

Tracy Edwards did also claim there were many locks on Dahmer’s door, but this was a point of contention in his trial when he testified, because photos showed only two locks, while Edward’s claimed more. This might have simply been him mistaking things due to trauma, though. But it is true Dahmer made him watch the Exorcist 3, and it is true he handcuffed Tracy. Everything about that event is true.

The story of the jogger is partially accurate. Dahmer did say he became obsessed with this area jogger, and was plotting to attack him with a bat. But the day he was going to act, the jogger never came. This is more accurately portrayed in the film My Friend Dahmer. The change was added for dramatization.

Dahmer did work at a blood plasma center, but he never took bags of blood home and drank it. He actually did this on the rooftop of the building, but spit the blood out.

Ron Flowers was spared, but Dahmer in real life claimed this was because Flower’s weighed around 250lbs and he wasn’t sure he could move the body. In the series, Dahmer’s grandmother is shown as the reason he isn’t killed, but it isn’t known if she actually did this or not. Everything else about this event is true, though, including the police’s failure here.

And Tony Hughes did not have a longer connection to Dahmer like the series portrays. They were not friends for any period of time. He was gay and deaf, this is true. He met Dahmer at a bar and came back to his apartment when Dahmer lured him with the idea of a photoshoot for money, which is accurate as Dahmer did this with many of his victims. But this was the first and last time Tony met or was around Dahmer. They did stay and communicate with a notepad for a period of time in the apartment, about a couple hours, before Dahmer eventually drugged, and then strangled him. But they were not friends for a period of time, as far as we know. I guess it is possible Tony knew Dahmer before this, though, because his mother said he had found an employer by the name of Jeffrey. Other witnesses claimed Dahmer and Hughes knew one another for a year before his murder, and another said it was actually 2 years, so it is unclear what the truth is. Dahmer said he did not know Hughes before the night he killed him.

The two police officers who returned Sinthasomphone never received an award. This is a series invention. Everything else about these officers is true, though. They were suspended and then reinstated by a judge. That is accurate. They also did radio in claiming they needed to be deloused after the Cleveland and Dahmer altercation.

Another event I know is inaccurate is Sandra’s arrest for breaking a man’s camera. There is no record of this ever happening; seems to be a series invention to portray racism of police in the Dahmer case. The last invention of the series is Scarver, who is the inmate that murdered Dahmer and another inmate. Scarver was serving a life sentence for murdering an innocent man, and he was known to have very delusional thoughts. He proclaimed he was the son of God and also proclaimed he was a million years old. There is no real evidence that any of the exchange we are shown happened when Dahmer was murdered. But we do know that it appeared Dahmer did not put up a fight or struggle when he was killed. This is not shocking, considering Dahmer wanted the death penalty and was denied due to the state he was convicted outlawing the death penalty. It’s pretty widely believed that Dahmer provoked inmates including Scarver in hopes one of them would kill him.

The overwhelming majority of events of the series are truthful. Some aspects seemed to be added or invented purely for dramatization, which of course means artistic liberty must be taken in some instances. But most of it is accurate. And Dahmer was cooperative with police like portrayed. Anyway, that’s what I’ve got for you lol! I’ve studied Dahmer for years. He’s basically the only serial killer I’ve ever found interesting. Me and my sister alert each other whenever something about Dahmer is being made 🤣

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Conversation between Wendy Patrickus and Jeffrey Dahmer. 

Wendy Patrickus: You telling me about your motivation for doing this is the fact that you wanted them to stay. Was it also for you the type of thing that was sexually arousing?

Jeffrey Dahmer: Yeah, it was.

Wendy Patrickus: At the time that you were strangling him?

Jeffrey Dahmer: Not at that time, but afterwards.

Wendy Patrickus: You were not erect?

Jeffrey Dahmer: No. Just knowing that he was with me, that he was still there… He might have been only a body, but…

Wendy Patrickus: Did you do anything sexual to his body after you strangled him?

Jeffrey Dahmer: Uh… Let’s see…