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I’m not being funny but the actual incest shippers are seeing way less incest in the ending than other people who are into shipping Dean and Cas or from other fandoms. Supernatural has effectively criticised and then accidentally PROVED that there is some level of toxic masculinity and expectation attached to straight men in society that shouldn’t be there any more.

If the only possible way you can interpret Sam and Dean’s love is ‘incest’ then it says more about you than about the show. Even Wincest shippers know that, why is this fandom like this though honestly? This is the craziest situation I’ve ever seen. Like the only shippers who are totally chill and fun and understood the plot are the incest shippers? Seriously? Wild! Lol

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bobby: heaven is perfect. anything you could want, its literally perfect dean:  bobby: your parents are here!! we can all be happy!! dean:  boddy:..and sam will arrive eventually you fucking weirdo dean: :D

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Reblog if you loved the Supernatural series finale and thought that it was satisfying.

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I find it especially weird that this happens in Supernatural fandom, where the leads are in their mid to late 30s and the show has been running 12 years!

Hey fun fact the people 28 and over on this website actually do KNOW that the average age skews much lower so like, reminding us is pretty pointless?

More to the point, as much as you guys are way better at identifying and calling out misogyny than I was at your age, a lot of people are really terrible at picking up on one particular kind of misogyny, and that is the creepy upper age limit for space and existence you’re setting for women in your communities.

This may not be easy to instantly identify because it’s not really ageism across the board, for example, this idea that fandom has an upper age limit is not something that effects a lot of men in fandom. Women, on the other hand, are apparently expected to re-direct their fan obsession, fixation, or hobby to things like crafting, child-rearing, and housekeeping just as soon as they become a mom or reach that “typical mom” age. Adult fangirls are “immature” and “need to grow up,” while adult fanboys are literally just a fact of life, as if we both haven’t always been there.

Whenever you question a woman’s right to this space because of her age or parental status, you are reinforcing a stereotype that has effects that reach beyond that one situation. The expectation, for example, that 40 year old men be catered to when writing comics, but that characters of interest to 40 year old women are obsolete or unprofitable.

When actresses over 30 are written out of their franchises or written exclusively in villain/mother/crone roles, this not only furthers the impression that women over 30 have no interest in these franchises, but actually causes women over 30 to disengage with these franchises as a self fulfilling prophecy. A sudden loss of representation can be a real buzzkill, as many of you already know too well.

Women over 30 are often sexual and a lot of us get fan crushes or thirst at the exact same rate as younger people do, but you’re not going to hear about it because every one of us has been shamed at one point or another for expressing desire for age-appropriate fictional characters that was totally acceptable when we were five years younger. Add to that dissonance the fact that A LOT of you are fixated on and thirsting after characters that are actually closer to OUR age if not our age exactly.

Hell, we transfer directly from EVERYONE wanting to hear about our desires and attractions to people being equally disgusted. This is pretty dissonant on a website stuffed full of explicitly sexual material, and it’s especially difficult and heartbreaking for the 30+ year olds who JUST CAME OUT and get an extra level of taboo on top of what is most likely a heaping dose of internalized homophobia.

And I know it’s coming so I’m just going to head it off at the pass, this OBVIOUSLY does not mean that you need to engage in any overtly sexual topic with an older person if that discomfits you, and it doesn’t even mean you need to INTERACT with us, because well, you don’t HAVE to interact with anyone on this website if you don’t want to.

But realize what you’re doing when your reaction to the desire of a 30 year old woman to a 30 year old fictional character is revulsion or a suggestion that she is over-sharing. Notice your shock when you realize that older women inhabit the fandom and recognize that that shock has nothing to do with those women.

Pay attention to the double standard that allows you to embrace rude bigoted 50 year old male comic creators/collectors and equally feel like there’s something wrong or stunted about a woman into the same things. Think about it because that stuff will sneak up on you, and you are probably pretty sure that you’re not going to turn 28 and magically drop all your interests, because no one should expect you to.

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One scene from The Memory Remains with captions

where Ketch is all of us

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Chapters: 19/19 Fandom: Supernatural Rating: Explicit Warnings: Rape/Non-Con Relationships: Dean Winchester/Sam Winchester, Lisa Braeden/Dean Winchester, Lucifer/Sam Winchester Characters: John Winchester, Lucifer (Supernatural), Bobby Singer, Mary Winchester, Dean Winchester, Azazel (Supernatural), Sam Winchester, Lisa Braeden, Charlie Bradbury, Castiel, Annie "Alex" Jones, Claire Novak, Kevin Tran, Abaddon (Supernatural), Cain (Supernatural), Sully (Supernatural), Crowley (Supernatural), Benny Lafitte, Donna Hanscum, Missouri Moseley Additional Tags: AU, Historical Fantasy, Harlequin, Romance, Angst with a Happy Ending, Secret Relationship, Long Lost/Secret Relatives, Exhibitionism, Coming Untouched, Arranged Marriage, Blackmail, Betrayal, Animal Death, Wrongful Imprisonment, Execution, Bathing/Washing, No Lube, Established Relationship, Top Dean, Bottom Sam Summary:

Royalty AU. When the Queen of Winchester finds herself unable to produce an heir for the kingdom, her ensuing plot results in two boys being born in secret and raised as companions—the elder, a prince, and the younger, a simple commoner. Unaware of their shared parentage, Dean Winchester and Sam Campbell grow up to fall deeply in love, keeping their affair hidden from the gossiping mouths of the court. But when it comes time for Dean to choose a spouse, the lovers are forced to contend with not only the weight of their scandalous past, but also Lucifer, the sinister archduke vying for Sam’s hand in marriage…and Dean’s rightful place on the throne.

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Dean has suffered more than Sam?

And does it actually matter/is it something we can even measure?

I take issue with many of the points OP brought up. I would never criticize the person who made this post, but I do strongly disagree with the content, and I’ll try to address the reasons why below. Thanks to the fantastic @eruthiawenluin, who brought the post to my attention. 

It’s near-impossible to quantify suffering. Both brothers have suffered; suffering is not a badge of honor but a fact of their lives. I’m not going to try to measure the levels of suffering each character has endured, because suffering can only be accurately measured by the person experiencing it.  We can only present facts, so I’m going to address the points of OP’s argument and why I disagree.

Beware: Potential fandom- and Dean-criticism.

Keep reading

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He really has.

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I just did the math and realized Gen must have already been pregnant with Odette when this happened - so I wonder if that's the slightly more innocent explanation for Jensen's funny look after Jared's joke about not having kids?

Jared drops a mic on his junk TWICE while Jensen looks concerned. (X) 

by request 

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One scene from Family Feud with captions for the Wincest impaired.

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psst… dean wants to watch live action soft core porn starring his brother pass it on

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he actually meant me, lordwhat

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Roses are red

Violets are blue

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first Cain with the bee farm and then Ramiel with the fishing just leave them alone with their ramshackle homes and their weird nature hobbies