#<- thanks to abraxas-calibrator's post for that as well

[artemis-zinc]

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meli olin tu wan mi. lon la, ona li moku kon e kasi nasa laso.

🎇  kiwin

ona li moku kon e kasi nasa laso anu seme?

🚨  jansowia

a, lon kin.

🔼  sikekusi

sina toki e ni anu seme: ona li kepeken ala palisa nasa taso? ona li kepeken palisa pi kasi nasa laso anu seme?

🚨  jansowia

palisa li jo e nimi "palisa i kasi taso".... lon ala la ona li "palisa pi kasi nasa laso"... taso, lon la, ona li palisa i kasi taso laso. meli tu wan li moku kon e palisa i kasi taso laso la, mi uta olin. (ona li meli olin mi,)

📗  nimipimeja

lukin la ona li moku kon ala e kasi nasa laso.

🚨  jansowia

sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. sina o pakala. mi pilin utala a, sina o pilin pona a tan ni: meli tu wan mi pi monku kasi li luka pona e sijelo mi tawa ni: mi pilin utala ala. mi pilin utala mute lon tenpo ni.

👿  melikakamine  Follow

meli sina pi "moku kasi" li jo e sitelen pi soweli Alokisi lon sinpin sijelo ona. meli insa.

🚨  jansowia

mi pali e sitelen jan sina lon lipu, mi pana e ona tawa palisa len pi wile utala, mi utala e ona la mi toki e nimi sina lon utala wawa ale, sina lili o.... tenpo ale la o Toki ala e jan Pesi e Sitelen(sitelen sijelo) epiku ona pi pali mi lon tenpo ale, sina jo e poki loje telo nasa lon tomo mi lon tenpo pimeja la mi wile Ala lukin e sina lon tenpo ale, sina sona ala sona? o weka tan mi, ni li TOKI PINI A LON TENPO PI UTALA ALA

🙂  janlijase  Follow

aaa ni li kama suli kepeken tenpo lili......

🚨  jansowia

ni, li seme? n? o toki sin. *jan Pesi li alasa awen e sijelo mi* jan Sowi o, sina ken ala kama jo tan ona, mi wile e utala ala! * mi tawa e sijelo mi li weka e luka ona* ALA! AAAAALA!!! *mi open utala e sina kepeken luka suli a mi. utala ale la mi kalama wawa. utala li kama wawa mute, kalama li kama suli mute. mi kalama mute mute li open telo oko. TENPO PAKALA. tenpo esun ni li pana e ike, mi ken ala awen lon ike. mi telo oko sunli lon tenpo ni, sina kalama nasa pi telo loje sijelo lon poka. meli tu wan mi li pali tawa ni: mi weka tan ni. pali mute la ona li tawa e mi tan ko pi sijelo sina*

🎆  jansapeke

a a a sewi mi

jan ni li seme? jan li wile kama sona e nasin pi pilin utala ala.

ni li musi tawa mi: tenpo mute la ona li toki "MI JO E MELI OLIN TU WAN", li toki "ONA ALE LI UTA OLIN E MI", li toki "ONA LI MOKU KON E KASI NASA LASO NNNNN"

kin la, mi o weka ala sona e jan "jan Pesi" e "sitelen epiku" ona, e ni: toki "sina jo e poki loje telo nasa lon tomo [ona] lon tenpo pimeja la [ona li] wile Ala lukin e sina lon tenpo ale", en toki "ni li TOKI PINI A LON TENPO PI UTALA ALA".

"ko pi sijelo sina"

mi moli a, jan sewi

jan Sowi o, mi wile e ni: sina en mi li utala tokki pi kulupu ilo; mi sona e ni: ni li ken musi.

🚨  jansowia

*mi moli e sina* a a, jan pi sona ala... *mi en meli tu wan mi pi monku kasi li weka tawa ni: mi luka e luka li uta olin.*

🔽  sila-supipeman

jan ni li musi a a a

🚨  jansowia

o toki sin? *tomo pi telo nasa li kama kalama ala. jan ale li wile ala kalama, tan ni: sina toki e toki ike lon tenpo pi ken utala mute. mi awen lon supa pi telo nasa. mi lukin ala tawa sina. luka nanpa wan li jo e poki pi telo lili, luka nanpa tu li jo e lawa mi. mi toki sin, kepeken suli sin.* o toki sin?! *sina kute e nasa pi toki mi, kute la toki li wile e pali mute tan mi. sona sina la lawa mi li nasa. sina kama sona e ni: ken la sina pakala mute mute. jan ante ale li pali sama ni: ona li lukin ala e mi e sina. jan pi pana telo li weka e jaki tan poki. ona li len e oko ona, li toki pi kalama lili. jan mute li weka wawa. jan wan li lukin tawa sina, li jo e sinpin pi pilin ike. ona li open toki, taso ona li lukin anpa, li weka. taso, sina weka ala. sina ken ala. sina lukin la, mi awen lon supa. sina lukin e lupa, sina jo e tenpo. taso sina jo ala, li jo ala, li jo ala. sina open toki la ni li ken ala ante.* pakala a.. sina toki e seme?! *mi tawa pi wawa ala tan supa. mi onpe tawa sina. mi ike lukin. linja mi li ike, mi weka ala e linja sinpin mi lon tenpo suli, anpa oko mi li suli li pimeja, len mi li jaki li jo e lupa mute, mi jo e len noka wan taso. taso, ni taso li suli tawa sina: mi jo e ilo utala, e luka suli wawa. lukin la, luka mi li lon tawa ni: ona li utala. sina sona ala sona e kalama musi pi toki ni: len noka li lon tawa ni: ona li tawa? lon, ni li sama, taso, len noka li luka mi, kin la tawa li utala. mi tawa nasa tawa sina la, sina lukin insa e jan sama sina... tenpo kama la ona li pilin ala pilin ike tan moli sina? ante la, ona li alasa ala alasa weka sona ni: jan sama ona li toki ike tawa jan Sowi a lon ma pi jan mute, ni li lon? toki sina li weka tan ni: mi lon sinpin sina. mi luka e sinpin sina li tawa e sina tawa mi.* musi?! musi li lon ala... musi ala, sina pakala o. musi ala... ona li lon.. ona li lon suli tawa sona mi.. pilin... olin. mi olin e ona... jan Pesi.... jan Sasa... jan Pon... mi olin e ona tu wan... taso ona...*sinpin mi li telo tan oko mi, mi ken ala pini e telo.* ona li weka tan mi... weka... *tenpo poka la pilin telo li weka tan sinpin mi. ona li ante tawa pilin utala taso.* musi? musi?! *luka mi li weka tan sinpin sina. ona li tawa ijo. sona sina la, ijo ni li ilo utala. sina pini e oko sina, li lukin e jan sewi. ona li toki e ni: "a, ni li kama lon tan sina." la ona li alasa weka e sina. taso, luka mi li kama jo e ilo utala ala. luka mi li kama lon luka sina. oko sina li open wawa. pilin utala li weka tan sinpin mi. pilin telo taso li lon.* weka tan mi... * mi tawa anpa. mi kalama pi pilin telo. aaa, o kama suli. *sina toki e ni, sina weka tan tomo, taso tenpo poka la sina moli tan pakala pi tomo tawa.*

[flare-dragon]

Okay, not normally something I do, but:

Jake English ramblings

Thanks to a whole bunch of wonderful posts discussing this dude, he's probably been one of the few characters in any media I've managed to have many complex thoughts about. (How much of it's an internal echo chamber? No idea~)

It's interesting how much can fit into one character in terms of potential and missed opportunities, especially since it takes having the seeds of a good character for such potential to really shine in the first place.

There's lots of characters in Homestuck who fit this bill. Jane, Aradia, Tavros, Feferi, Nepeta, and more. Each characters who had elements of good that never quite got to shine, whether it was simply the nature/course of the comic, the complexity they'd need to show that was unwilling to be put in, ideas that were already formed that (at least to many of us) just aren't as good as what could've been, and sometimes just the nature of having such a large roster that not all characters can share in the limelight.

Honestly, why Jake, of all characters, would attract me seems arbitrary (in all honestly, I didn't see him as much until I figured out a HoH headcanon for him, which opened me up to seeing more of his character. Relatability seems to be important pfft), but he really does strike me as one of the characters with the greatest amount of lost potential (right next to Jane, Nepeta, and Feferi).

(Seriously, Jane and Feferi could've been super interesting with working through social expectations and expected leadership, become explorations of breaking these downs, and Nepeta was an interesting example of kindness amongst the harshness of Alternia, seeing through Karkat and Equius' harsh exteriors even as (or perhaps because) she doesn't see the complexities of Alternian social classes and expectations)

When we look at Jake on the surface level, we see a teen who has all the same bravado and aspirations to adventure as his alternate adult self, shown with the new light of being a complete social buffoon (at least we're lead to believe this; how much is put on comes under all the hidden potential he has as a character)

If only see at this surface level, his cowardice later one feels almost expected, with Grandpa Harley always running, with his final destination being an island with nothing but butterflies and his daughter. The patheticness turned up to 11 by the end of the comic, he seems like he's meant to be the pathetic loser who dreams big but is too afraid to take them.

And yet, when broken down into fundamental parts, we start to see so many potential explanations to his character, we begin to wonder "Who is Jake English really?"

(I wanna say that his descent into "loserdom" by the end of the comic was Hussie basically giving up on him being a decent character or him playing the long game, building him up so that when he falls, he looks spectacularly shitty, which makes me wonder how seriously to take it as part of his original intent)

I don't think I'm gonna try getting into answering the "who" (there's a bunch of great people to check that, such as @4lph4kidz, @abraxas-calibrator and @hemoanarchist), but the fact that he in particular can have so much analysis on who he is and could be, despite how he's treated? It strikes me as super interesting

(Like, you can make those kinda of analysis on the Striders and Vriska, but they've always been treated well in terms of showing them off as well-designed characters - Vriska especially - and Terezi and Jade, as pushed down as they get, still come across as good characters you're meant to like who also have depth, but Jake doesn't fit into this kind of list, and yet he also has so much hidden depth, it's almost paradoxical. Almost~)

How can you have a character who's the "Strong Female Lead but male", as well as "a spectactularly goofy kid", and yet also potentially be someone who purposefully hides his true intentions because he never wants to hurt (himself and his friends) yet always seems to fail that? Amongst all the other things he is and appears to show elements of?

I dunno. Jake just...strikes me as super interesting in that regard.

Very much "full of potential who could be so much", living up to his classpect heheh