#danachan's replies

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Is it bad that I'm saddened by the fact that Sun actually hates taking care of kids especially since I've had this impression that he likes taking care of kids ever since SB released? :') I felt like my heart shattered and the AU I have in mind wouldn't make sense anymore

Once again: You can do whatever you want forever!

Don't let Canon stop those soft Sun and Moon headcanons.

However, for me, I actually love this and thinks it adds a lot of humanity to his character, ironically.

And as any person who works in childcare will tell you, My Own Mother included, will say "FUCK THEM KIDS" outside of work hours.

Sun has a very short temper fuse. And he gives the impression of someone who deliberately plays favorites. Any kid who's not following the rules, he gets angry at from like a zero to 10000 immediately.

He absolutely plays favorites, and even a child who isn't nessasarily "BAD" ...but doing something outside the norm... Example, some child who isn't coloring inside the lines...

"THIS IS NOT A TIME FOR CREATIVITY, THIS IS A TIME FOR ART!"

Which is so interesting to me. It's part of his programing to adhere to the rules and the structure of the institution to an absurd degree he won't engage with critical thinking, creativity, or childish mistakes?

It's honestly just a cool and interesting concept in general?

Like an animatronic made only to look after children but there is something that causes him to be bad at it. Is he good at it and merely glitching?

Was he never properly programmed from the start and Faz Entertainment pushed a malfunctioning product out to recoup costs?

Is there something overriding that skill from an outside source?

Is something overriding it internally like some manifestation of the "ghost in the machine" thing?

Is it because he used to be a theatre bot not intended to work closely with children?

Is it just anxiety? and Who programmed the anxiety or did it develop because kids didn't listen to him, and now he's just on his last straw with them? ???? I look forward to fnaf canon answering none of these questions.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Can we talk about how today's episode on tsams ended???? There is no way they aren't doing this on purpose

THEY HELD HANDS!!!!

Also, Moon willing to get captured immediately to go with Solar when he didn't do the same thing when Sun fell in a trap in Bloodmoon's lair.

Also, this a bad time to mention that I headcanoned they kissed already on screen?

It was the same episode Eclipse showed up on the balcony I think (which overshadowed everything)

But Solar said he was tired, and Moon pushed him away like "go charge, go charge, go"

You can distinctly hear a lip smacking noise when his face is close to Solar.

So it gives the illusion that Moon gave him a little peck before sending him on his way.

Now, that's fandom ship brain talking.

More then likely, Reed just popped his lips as he was talking at an awkward moment due to his slight lisp.

But honestly, due to the context, and Moon worried about his well-being it can be totally taken as a good night kiss.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Why are you and twinanimatronics spreading misinformation that Solar just calls himself cousin as a joke? I don't care what y'all ship, just at least don't spread misinformation like that. Proven in today's LAES episode, Lunar was quick to consider Solar as sibling despite Earth clarifying that he's a cousin. Point is, Solar wasn't joking about that.

Earth literally said that Solar isn't a cousin and gave him a title cause she likes giving a title for things.

They have clarified this at least a total of two times in their reaction episodes. And I really think it's the VA's way of saying "Ship what you like."

I say "joke" because Solar did call himself a cousin as a joke in the Christmas Episode. "Who's gonna give a gift to good ol' cousin Solar -he laughs- "

It's the only time he's referred to himself as such.

Every other time he's felt awkward about it every time Earth tends to bring it up.

I did not view Solar as a cousin LONG before Earth made a cute little title for him. She even acts like it's a non-official thing. And I still don't. I do not view Solar a sibling either.

I ship them as AU and not related.

I do not view Solar as related. I do not view him as a sibling. I do not view him as a distant relative either.

People who don't support SolarMoon Ship SunEclipse all the time.

Eclipse and Solar are literally the same person from a different dimention.

So Sun can be shipped with an Eclipse?

But Solar Can't?

What kinda weird logic is that?

By that Logic, Every single Sun and Moon themed animatronic is related.

Is Solar and Ruin shipped together incest?

Is Ruin and Eclipse shipped together incest?

Is shipping Gemini with Lunar Pedophila because one is a star being and the other is a robot????

What if Eclipse has a redemption arc and then Told Sun and Moon he wanted to be THEIR BROTHER... WHAT THEN?!?!?! WHAT THEN?! I'm curious actually. As an Eclipse x Sun shipper, what would you do then?!?!?

Earth and Lunar even joked that their family tree is basically nonexistant.

I think we need to normalize people Just saying "This ship isn't for me" and stop trying to pull a "GOTCHA" and trying to find an excuse things are morally reprehensible or throw people under the bus because they just liked the idea or possibilities of seeing two animatronic robots kiss.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Reading that post about Eclipse confuses me because my mindset about him hasn’t changed even with the tragic backstory (mainly because we were shown his bad actions first). Yes, it was sad that Moon left him in Sun’s head, but it does NOT excuse what he’s done after that. And I know he also said, “So why do I still care?” when he had slapped Lunar (which almost made me want to root for him to change), but he shoved that feeling down and continued on his dark path.

Honestly I never thought Eclipse was that big a threat.

Maybe it's the nature of a VR RP show, but all Eclipse did was monologue about how much Sun and Moon suck and he wants them to suffer.

The only real crimes he actually did was, idk, abuse his two creations and cause everyone in the Pizzaplex to think Sun and Moon were bad guys.

Other then that, his real crime is monologuing for too long and everyone panicking about what he possibly COULD do, rather then what he actually did.

Eclipse is kind of the reason that the Killcode thing became a problem and that Moon had to wipe his memories. But that was more of an unintended byproduct of anything. As we find out, Eclipse got big sad when Moon didn't know who he was.

Eclipse is also the reason July 16th massacre happened, but again, that was more of an unintended byproduct of him building BloodMoon just for the sake of having company and someone as "evil" as him.

To me, Eclipse read more as "Team Rocket" evil, rather then Marvel evil, like they were trying to go for.

Everything that is true evil he does, is always on accident.

And everything that is evil with intent, isn't that bad in the grand scheme of things. Not that I'm justifying his abuse to Lunar, but realistically, that's about all he did. (Well, and the maternity chip with Roxanne...which in retrospect, is kinda a subplot that went nowhere. But I don't like how they write Roxanne in the SBshow verse anyway)

Maybe I am way older then the target demographic for this silly YouTube show,

But I never understood Eclipse as a threat in his own show. In a narrative sense, and how other characters perceived him.

He was just a Cheeto who liked listening to himself talk at the end of the day, that everyone perceived as a threat cus he liked to burn ants for fun.

@ayyy-imma-ninja @twinanimatronics

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Ngl 'm kinda salty that instead of having Sun, or Solar, or Monty in today's gaming video on Laes, they had Roxanne, someone who is irrelevant to their channels besides being a running gag for teasing Sun. I know that Davis is probably too busy to record with Kat, Reed, and Valentine but I'd rather wait for him to be available for however long it takes than to watch a gaming video with Roxanne in it :/

My only theory as to why the Roxanne Show did this huge collab was because that they have recorded a VR lore collab episode with them as well and they were available.

Which.........

Isn't great.

I don't like their portrayal of Vanny.

That's my woman blorbo and you screwed her up.

Keep her away from me.

Although, I've never been a big fan of their Roxanne portrayal either.

My personal opinion. Take it with a grain of salt.

I thought the Christmas Special was terrible.

"Did everyone enjoy the Holiday Special?" "No RAGS... only you did." "Oh... well that pretty much my target audience anyway..."

*i watched the whole thing so you don't have to. Honestly, if you have seen the two very short clips of Davis's Sun and Earth/Kat singing, that's all you need. Because they're the only two of this musical that can actually... well... sing.*

The singing made my inner choir kid cringe.... and I just... did not care for the plot.

Roxanne was stressed over the holidays... because of the drama SHE created.... She whined about her estranged on again off again father not liking Christmas, whined when Gregory tried to invite Cassie over, Whined when Gregory was upset and dealing with drama of his only ghost friends potentially leaving the astral plain, Was annoyed when Freddy was trying to be a good boyfriend because she wasn't happy that not EVERYONE was having "the best christmas ever" Cus "Who doesn't like Christmas?" I don't know, Roxanne... people who are busy, people who work retail, people with dead relatives (like Cassie by the way) .... people who don't CELEBrate Christmas???

And I was waiting for the other shoe to drop so much in this special. Because so far, All they've sung about what makes Christmas Great is the Commodification and the Commercialism of Christmas.

That's what makes Christmas great. The cookies, the presents, the colorful lights.....big parties, traditions... etc etc....

Which, come on, I do NOT expect animatronics to get up like the Peanuts Holiday Special and tell me about the Birth of Jesus Christ.

But what I did expect them to do, was talk about the importance of family, and why being with the people you care about is so important... and there was... an attempt at that. But it didn't really land for me.

They didn't even bother to get into how other people celebrate Christmas.

It was all hyping up the commercialism of the Hoilday, and getting excited about that... I understand Gregory, cause he's a literal child... but every single animatronic was either for Christmas or anti Christmas for very commercial reasons.

And what's the crisis.... Roxanne is upset because not everyone likes Christmas and no one is falling into line for her plans for the Holidays... Not everything is about you. Gregory's friends are literally dying and Cassie is mourning her Dad over the holidays.

I thought the special would be about appreciating what you have, even if things don't work out. But no, everything works out and even her estranged father makes up with her for no reason other then because.

Respect for all the voice actors, talent and origination to get the RAGS Christmas Musical together... I just did not care for the plot. And People are free to disagree with me on this... but I found the whole Musical rather shallow and I have seen Hallmark Christmas and Rankinbass Movies with more meat.

I will say.... TSAMS (and MAFS to some extent) did a much better holiday special with far less production... because that's what it's really about, just spending time and exchanging gifts with people who you know care about you. And Earth and Solar experiencing Christmas with others that care about them for the first time and a feeling of warm togetherness and family that wasn't about a big planning or party, while also packing in some of the stressful feeling of the Holidays as well.

And yeah. If Sun was on "Vacation" they could have used this as an opportunity for Solar to be in gaming videos, since Davis himself isn't sick.

We've never seen Solar and Moon play a game together, and I know I'm not the only one asking for it in the official server.

Just involve Solar in more gaming videos. HE ASKED to be in them more. Just DO IT.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Hellooo, what do you think of the episode "Sun and Moon need to protect Lunar in Vrchat"?

And what do you think Solar said when he was proving to Moon that he isn't Eclipse?

(Idk almost every time they interact I feel a tension between them and that is making me nuts.. are they purposely doing that?)

LIKE RIGHT?

I feel like I'm going insane.

Moon: You and I both have our positive and negitive knowledge, when we do something together… who knows.

Me: AYOOO??? OwO

Plus the excessive censoring when Solar was talking about the first time they met and the long month they spent together.

I don't doubt that long censoring joke was Solar saying Moon said he'd ram a stop sign up Monty's Ass...

BUT WHY DID SOLAR IMPLY THE BUILDUP WITH SUCH FONDNESS??? WHAT DID MOON TEACH HIM HOW TO DO???? IS THIS WHY MOON SAYS HE'S QUESTIONING NOW??? I HAVE QUESTIONS????

sidenote but InvisableDavis has literally liked bruja's art of Ruin x KC on twitter, so it's possible he saw the solarmoon art..... Like. Weird to say cus I don't know the guy personally, but the RuinxKC art wasn't that long ago sandwiched between a lot of solarmoon stuff? Who knows... that's my tinfoil nosiness talking tho

Like I don't need to DO anything?!

The Ship has sailed itself since the two first met and I will stand by that.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Since Eclipse is back how would things go out in Automaton Heart Au?

I could see Eclipse pretending to be Solar but imagine this. Moon and Solar are dating but didn't tell anyone yet even though it's very obvious. Not to Eclipse though, he just knows they understand each other well.. And wants to take that as an advantage to get into Moon's room as he pretends to be Solar, Moon pulls him aside to talk to him and give him a peck. Eclipse is in total shock while Solar comes back only to see his "clone" and Moon is confused.

Hahahahah

I find that prospect so amusing, because in Automaton Heart AU, Eclipse IS alive.

He's been hiding under Sun's bed.

Yup This whole time.

(slightly related IZ gif cus I couldn't find the specific one I wanted)

And yeah, Sun knows he's there. He just hasn't told Moon exactly about it yet. They have an arrangement.

I guess I'll say some juicy details while being tumblr-appropriate. XD

Sun's room we know exists in the show, as it's been mentioned a few times, but it's never shown. (likely cus they can't think of anything in VR that makes logical sense)

So we know Sun's room is the only place that doesn't have any cameras.

In Automaton Heart AU.

Eclipse didn't die.

He believed to by Solar, and Moon because the blast that destroyed the star in his chest cavity. That would have destroyed nearly anyone.

But it knocked parts of him back. A majority of him was destroyed, but a torso, a hand, and a head/faceplate (with the rays/spikes blown off) managed to lodge deep into the ball pit.

When Moon traveled back to his own dimension, away from Solar's (After Solar yelled at him and punched Moon for not letting him sacrifice himself) Eclipse got teleported back to the main dimension along with Moon.

Waiting at the bottom of the Ballpit.

He wasn't biding his "evil time" or whatever.

He was completely knocked out and his systems failed. He was dead for all intents and purposes.

A few Days later, as Sun is disinfecting the Ball pit, he nearly trips over something.

Sun and Moon never noticed him, because they openly admit on the show to have their Olfactory sensors off, because they're working with Stinky Kids all the time. So they didn't even notice the smells of burnt metal deep within the ballpit, despite parent complaints because they just thought it was "Karen's being Karens" or them having issues with Fazbear or something.

Sun disturbing the charred broken frame of Eclipse (back to SolarFlare's body, because the Eclipse Body was entirely on star power. Just without the head spikes, a torso, and a pretty mangled hand with half his fingers missing) The machine whirrs to life.

Something that Sun is terrified of and didn't think would be physically possible.

Eclipse is motivated simply by anger and spite. As if he was his own ghost in the machine possessing his very being. He is 100% motivated by spite, as he is in all aspects of his life. He has nothing left to give. And he crawls toward Sun, weak, barely able to keep his head above the pit.

He wants to hurt them. He wants to kill them. They did this to them. It's all their fault. It's always been their fault hasn't it?

Eclipse lacks his proper monologuing skills. His voice box is charred. He can't speak but garbled sounds. His mind is too fractured to think properly. All he wants is to cause harm.

He collapses, his damaged claws tearing the edge of Sun's slipper.

And Sun doesn't know what to do.

He could just... Kill him again, but Eclipse is like this now. Sun doesn't even know how the fuck he survived any of that.

He could just kick him into the pit and have the Computer send him to another dimension...

But that doesn't sound right to Sun either.

He could tell Moon, but Moon would just like... find a gun and shoot him point blank at this point. Like putting down an injured animal.

That also doesn't sit right with Sun.

(Sun's Bloodmoon hallucinations/intrusive thoughts are going rampant as he tries to make a discission.)

Sun decides he'll figure out what to do with Eclipse later, and locks him in his room, away from the cameras and away from Moon.

He will tell Moon....

Eventually.

Sun and Eclipse reach a mutually beneficial agreement from this... as Sun agrees to fix Eclipse and give him a new body, as long as Eclipse plans to not hurt his family anymore.

Eclipse hated this, but he "agreed" his logic being that, since he can't make a verbal agreement, he can double cross Sun and kill them all once he's fixed.

But, it takes a long time for Sun to repair him and get parts.

It would go faster with Moon, since Moon has the more logical mind....

But Sun doesn't exactly want to tell his brother yet, as Moon is distracted with Solar, and he seems happy for the first time in a long while. He doesn't want to ruin that by saying "oh you didn't kill Eclipse by the way"

Also, Eclipse Also agrees that he doesn't want help from Moon.

Cue Slowburn in the background of Sun, tenderly taking care of Eclipse. And warming Eclipse on the idea of second chances.

Cue Eclipse not understanding why Sun is bothering with a lost cause of him at this point...

The two actually listening to eachother and enjoying eachother's company.

They don't talk about the past.... not yet.

Eclipse certainly can't...

but he is forced to listen, he can't move... and have someone genuinely caring and looking out for him....

and then they kiss.....

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

okaaay....

Maybe I'm overreacting, but after the idea of your AU I now can’t help but think that with all potential of his capabilities Lord Eclipse was going to rebuild Sun from all the other personalities after the attack of the Wither Storm. Not Moon, as his archenemy, not Lunar (given that he designed him, he could very well recreate Lunar again and again if he wanted). But Sun.

And earlier, a year ago, at the first meeting with him, LEclipse said to Lunar: “I found someone that's so much better than you already. And he is a lot like me”. But the only one we saw near him was Sun again.

I don't know why I'm buzzing about all this here. Just know that your ideas sit on the edge of my consciousness and resonate from time to time.

Yeah right?

I was thinking about that.

God Eclipse doesn't seem like he killed his own Sun.

If anything, it sounds like Sun died trying to protect his Lord Eclipse and Eclipse harbors guilt for it.

Out of anyone, he wants to rebuild Sun as many times as it takes.

He does care in his own weird way.

Also if you reframe the context of the last time we saw Servant Sun, he seemed to fear Moon.

Because of who he is, and that Moon would kill him and that Moon would kill his Lord.

He was scared of Eclipse's punishment too, and seems severely brainwashed...

But if you remember how Sun and Moon used to be, their relationship wasn't that great. Maybe Eclipse reframed his killing of Moon as saving Sun from a life of torture.

Lord Eclipse and Sun had something going on that I think that goes beyond of what the show is willing to show.

Not that it is manipulative and abusive, cause it is.

But it's very codependent.

Eclipse only wants to rebuild Sun and no one else and seems to genuinely care that he's dead.

That says a lot.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Is it me, or does Steel Wool see moon as ONLY A BAD GUY. Now I understand that I can totally ignore Canon but I a strong feeling evey since ruin and security breach

That's a possiblity.

But when have we ever had a "good" animatronic in fnaf?

(maybe the Puppet but the Puppet is still killing night guards, and caused me so much problems in fnaf3)

To me it almost feels like Steel Wool saw that Sun and Moon were a fan favorite and just kinda started putting them in everything. As I thought the Ruin Section was kinda weird.

You're in Monty Golf to go to the Daycare to go Back to Monty Golf again???? There's no reason for the Daycare Detour other then just to put a "good" Sun Moment in there.

I don't think Sun is a bad guy. He has a short fuze and is overly dramatic but we know for 100%...

JUMPSCARE DOES NOT EQUAL DEATH WITH SUN/MOON.

Cause if they kill you in this level (Sun or Moon)

Sun says: "oh joy, you're back"

Meaning he remembers you from before.

There's also the possibility that Help Wanted 2 is like "based on rumors" like the first Help wanted was. So maybe this is just a VR version of Sun that the Parents think made their child pee themselves.

Who knows man.

I haven't seen the full playthrough yet so I don't know the overall context of the game.

I am just happy that Sun has more depth to him and I keep forgetting he's like this. I feel reborn.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

I have a question about Solar x Moon. Wouldn’t they technically be adoptive siblings since Solar is part of their family now? Just curious is all since I saw someone point it out.

I have no idea.

They're robots.

Technically, Solar spawned from Sun and Moon from another dimension, so that would be their son.

Even Earth said he would technically be their nephew, which Solar and Earth agreed was both weird for them.

Which Solar denied and didn't want to be viewed that way.

He only called himself "the gay cousin" cause Earth insisted on putting him on the family tree in the first place.

I think in the latest LAES episode (idk I haven't watched it) Lunar basically said: "a puesdo-brother? idk what he is to us."

I'm not saying that Solar isn't a member of the family. He is welcome here and this is his new home now, and his relationship with each member of the Celestial Family differs.

I feel giving traditional titles in found family units kinda defeats the purpose of a found family unit in the first place. Especially given that they are all robots.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Wish there were more people like you who were open to exploring dynamics between two characters in an alternate universe where they are not bound by familial relationship/title or whatever it's called. I get it tsams/tlaes have a lot of family things going on and a-specs things but eh what do I expect from a fandom that started the hate on sunxmoon shippers? I'll continue shipping sunxmoon, eclipsexsun, solarxmoon and solarxearth(thanks to that one anon from before for introducing me to this) not as family related, and the fandom can suck it

Honestly.

Like one person told me "Moon and Solar are brothers" once.

And?..

They're not.

That's like saying Ink and Dream or something from the Undertale Au verse are brothers cause they're alternate realities of eachother and people ship them all the time???

"but they have the same face"

So???

So does Lolbit and Funtime Foxy. They're a couple in SBshow verse.

Mickey and Minnie mouse have the same face and no one raises stink about the most classic example of same face syndrome.

They're robots and I think physical appearance matters very little to them in the grand scheme of things. But that might just be my demisexual ass talking.

On a side note, I know the VA for Earth, Aka: Kat has been very "ship and let ship" with the fandom. And I think that's why in the Solar therapy session, she clarified that she knows Solar isn't biologically related. Technically none of them are, she just wants to consider him part of the family.

I remember awhile back the fandom was so hostile to people who saw Lunar as an adult and would draw him in adult situations. (Like taxes/half joking you know what I mean)

And I believe that was the last big drama the actors like Davis was directly involved in before he took a step back from that and told the fandom to sort it out themselves. And I really don't blame him. There are people who are crazy and just feel entitled to things.

And in more recent episodes, Lunar has stated more frequently that he is an adult animatronic of sound mind who can make his own decisions, so that they can put that issue to bed with the discourse.

(I personally think that gen1/2 Lunar was very much a kid psychology and through the course of the course of the show, and due to his experiences and truama he grows up in two years and he's a young adult now. This reflects in every time he has a model change or appearance.)

See this is what I mean when I say they are robots. Robots can grow up from 13 to 24 (approximately) in the span of two years. Robots can change their mind about family dynamics and say "you know what I think that i don't feel like a cousin, as what I feel for Moon is more intense then familiar bonds. So I change my mind." And this is allowed. This is allowed. Like I would not think this way about human characters.

People in the transformers fandom are really familiar with this concept as well. At least the few people I talk to from an outsider perspective. The transformers robots change their relationships in canon to eachother all the time from what I hear.

And yes. I know tsams is focused on themes of family and found family and togetherness. Like I'm not media illiterate. I know what one of the themes are. For some reason, people think I don't know tsams is about family.

Like bruh.

This whole show took two years for them to build the family and support network they all have with eachother when before the show was a toxic family relationship with Sun and Moon only. And I think it's beautiful how it evolved and how many characters there are and how big the family is now!

It's great!

And I do separate in my brain what's going on in canon and what's going on in my shipping brain.

This doesn't mean I can have fun on the side. With silly speculations and silly headcanons.

Giggling to myself and twirling my hair about the "what ifs" and aus

Staying out of the main tags and talking to my own friends with my own company.

While also analyzing the show and leaving tsams lots of long lovely YouTube comments about what the show is actually about.

Also. Consider this.

Since the multiverse is canon in tsams, in definition, by their own rules, there is a universe where everything in tsams is the same, except your ship is canon.

Evil!Sun even said that Sun and Moon being brothers is more rare across dimensions then we initially assumed.

So they're either enemies, strangers, they killed eachother, or something else.

They only are brothers after their canon event of separating and agreeing to work together. So there are some universes where that never happened.

Meaning most likely that our Moon's portal runs on a central finite curve.

So take that as you will.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

Hello! I know you're one of the people who ship Moon and Solar (TSAMS) And y'all have gotten me into the ship as well! XD I'm not caught up on the lore of the show(s) So i haven't even seen Solar IN SHOW before (i am very behind to before Lunar was Sun and Moons brother :' D) But I have some ideas I'm debating writing for the ship buttt....I have no clue how Canon Solar acts??? Do you know if theres somewhere I could find a Summary on his personality? (and I suppose...new Moon?) I'll probably unintentionally make them OOC...never written for anything TSAMS related, but i'll try!

And is there a ship names thats...like used for them instead of Solar X Moon or is it just called that?

Anywho, I hope you have a good day/night!!! You make awesome stuff! (And I know theres been some people making drama over the ship, I hope you don't let them get to you too much tho!! <3 /P)

🦈Anon

AWESOME!

Heheheh. Thank you. I've been shipping these two since June 2023 so I'm glad I can share the brainrot and some people are more welcoming and cool then I expect. (mostly the ones who can't think critically are the youtube audience but that's expected. Since a lot of the youtube target audience are... like.. minors or really young adults who can't conceive the concept.)

I rewatch that Episode where Solar changes his name and rebuilds the Daycare in a week just for Moon constantly cause it's just... so much admiration and appreciation Moon has for Solar in that episode. I swear I don't know if it was a flub on the actor's part... but I swear Moon calls him 'sexy' as he's dragging him to charge. the stock sound effect of "OOOOH" doesn't help my APD and I've listened so many times and I have no possible idea what Moon could be saying to Solar other then 'come here you stupid, sexy-...." (trails off) sooo... idk. I might have misheard that severely but that's just what I'm hearing.

Like, in terms of New Lore of the show, it gets pretty complicated.

So complicated in fact, TSAMS themselves released a new video on the subject.... But it's NOT a very good guide, as it misses a lot of things. (and no I don't mean the stupid guest cameo stuff) this is more or less an abridged take on what happens with no emotional impact:

Like, this is a good starting point if you want the barest of bones, but it misses so much stuff. I think they don't even mention how Solar gets introduced into this family. lol. Just like "yeah Im here and I helped kill Eclipse" fheahehf. It's a super well made video though, and I don't mind the editing mistakes (clearly when the actors change the avatar on screen.... whoops. Happens a few times)

There is also the Fan Wiki, but as of now, it is incomplete, (@twinanimatronics is working tirelessly on updating the wiki and I wish they got more reconignition from the tsams community as a whole ) but it does give a decent look into Solar

There is also the huge TSAMS Lore Document, which Ceph(twinanimatronics) also worked on which contains a further detailed explanation of the story so far, for those who don't have time to watch 2 years worth of youtube content that aren't in a concrete playlist. (TSAMS. PLAYLIST YOUR STUFF PROPERLY. YOU HAVE TWO YEARS OF LORE HERE)

Liike.... yeah... this is okay but like..

This is VRchat. Aka the lore. Which also includes when they play videogames in VRchat, which don't impact the story... Like Uno, Amongus and SCP stuff.....

And it doesn't divide the arcs. Something that TSAMS severely needs more then any other SB Show channel.

Also, in the early days, the gameplay videos USED to be part of the lore. As the concept of Eclipse itself, being a rouge evil ai that lived in Sun's head (as it was presented initially but we know the truth it was the killcode moon planted in Sun when they separated.)

These days, they kinda dropped the gameplay videos being directly connected to the over arching plot. Other then just saying that their vids are pre-recorded or "we're back" after an annual halloween takeover.

Not to mention... When Earth and Lunar got a show, they became intertwined with the Sun and Moon show. LAES is very much it's own thing, but it's the ONLY Security Breach Show that consists of two Original Characters spawned from the Sun and Moon show. A rarity. So their lore continues off from the Sun and moon show, giving more info on Lunar these days and Earth (their sister)

Then you have the Monty and Foxy show (which is my least favorite of the shows... Personal Preference. I try not to complain cus I know some people like it. But I do not like the plot points in that show, or the character writing and weird directions they take while being connected to the same universe.)

And Monty is a character voiced by Davis, who also voices Sun. So Monty started out as a prominent character on the Sun and Moon Show, and then got his OWN show... at a point in TSAMS history after Eclipse got the star and killed Lunar.

So yeah. I wish the playlists were better organized here. So we knew when each era starts.

(people say Matpat should get on this show lore... And noooooooo no thanks. Keep him away. We got you covered. Ceph honestly has enough info to make a video guide at this point.)

But long story short, Solar is a "Good Eclipse" from another dimension that the Old Moon introduced to Lunar, when Lunar was struggling with his trauma of leaving Eclipse. Good Eclipse and Lunar become friends.

Anyway, here are some key episodes that outline NewMoon and Solar's relationship, as Solar had never met the Old Moon.

Old Moon had never met Solar. It was New Moon who introduced himself to Solar to help defeating Eclipse once and for all. (and by this point lunar had died)

He was actually surprised that this Moon was a chill Moon and could be reasoned with and talked to, considering he was living a rather oppressive life from his own Moon.

There's also a whole episode saga of just these two bantering and talking while they work on the satellite together. I can't remember which specific episodes those are.

You can also see the difference between the Evil Eclipse and Good Eclipse here in one of my all time favorite episodes:

Moon saving Solar's life: (also the death of the bad Eclipse)

Everything is good and happy after Eclipse dies for awhile. (aside of Ruin and Bloodmoon wrecking shit) He goes back to his own dimension... and you get to see what his sad life is like:

From his Moon calling him "byproduct" and failure very often.

But... Something happens and Solar is forced to come to Moon's dimension

here's Solar at his poor little meow meow "I have nowhere to go" stage and just... thought to go to Moon immediately due to their history.

Moon's only question about Solar moving in, is that if he wanted him to blacklist his dimension once he heard what was going on with his Moon.

And immediately, Solar jumps in to help Moon with his problems.

Also during the halloween takeover part 2 electric boogaloo, Solar was the one to help get Sun and Moon back after being teleported to a different dimension with no hopes of returning

Also, after Ruin was cured and Bloodmon ran off, Solar rebuilt the ruined Daycare in a week. And Moon is so grateful for it. (i rewatch this episode a lot. It cemented the ship in my mind and built the commodity that they've been building up for months)

We also get what Solar's daily life is like so far... How out of place he feels, being someone from a different dimension, despite the Brothers (and sister's) insistence, he still doesn't really feel like he's part of the family. He feels like an outsider. (He also has less opportunities to hang out with Lunar. As he expressed interest in playing games with him like the good old days, and as of recently, they have not yet)

also a good example of the Celestial family changing minds on family dynamics because they are robots. Lunar flat out rejected Vegeta-Animatronic is his brother even if he technically is. Like, they're robots. They can change their relationships to each other based on their word. I like to see it more flexible then it is in reality with actual people/humans.

Moon also trying to make Solar feel comfortable and feel like he's adjusting well here. Expressing his concern for him doing so much for him and his family. And hoping to not pressure him into so much work.

As of recently, his Sun died, and he killed his Moon. And in his therapy session (on the Lunar and Earth Show) he expressed regret over "Leaving" them...

But he has not properly told anyone about this.

My reasoning is that he probably thinks that the family will jump on the chance to call him "Evil" .....They don't have good luck with Eclipses.... and every Eclipse they met other than him has been Evil. (that must weigh on you. Every version of yourself is deemed as evil across every dimension. You are the only good one. Maybe there is something wrong with you)

I'm already at the video limit, but on Lunar and Earth show, there is an interesting episode where Lunar goes into Solar's head, and his mindscape looks like the Willy Wonka TV room, because it was a movie he watched with his Sun before they separated and Sun died. Showing that he did care about his Sun a whole lot... Which is probably why he doesn't interact with our Sun that much alone.

He also compartmentalizes everything before he can feel emotions, playing his own memories in third person as if he's not experiencing them.

Not to mention, he organizes and separates his thoughts on NewMoon and HIS Moon, just so he won't associate the two.

I also missed what episode it was, but Solar is always the first to call Moon out when he's being angry, or irrational, and Sun admits in his therapy session, that Solar is the only person who can calm Moon down. (mainly cus he's used to it, but unlike his old moon, this moon listens)

Anyway...

I love Solar a lot, can you tell?

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

I'm sure you're probably tired of talking about this by now so you can ignore this but I think the only person driving a wedge in this community is that anon who keeps dragging other people into this completely unnecessary drama and talking shit on your personal takes. I have yet to see anyone in this fandom shit on or shame other people for having Sun be sweet and kind in their AUs or for not being "canon." Not a single one

I have seen people celebrating their interpretation of Sun being closer to what we saw in HW2 but those people being happy about their own takes on him it is not the same thing as making fun of others or shitting on their interpretations

IDK this just seems like one very bitter anon putting words in people's mouths and being upset that their interpretation of Sun isn't what we see in HW2 (and that's okay because Sun is whatever we want him to be) and rather than acting mature about it they're fanning the flames and riling people up to cause unnecessary drama for dramas sake when everything I've seen so far has been super supportive of Sun being a sweetheart

Hopefully this drama passes by soon. I want to be able to enjoy this fandom again. It feels like all this bullshit is chasing people away when we should be coming together over new content

Anyway, peace and love on planet earth

YES!

THANK YOU!

This exactly.

Spread this around. Because I don't want people putting words in my mouth further, and people thinking there is a huge "WEDGE" in this community, when it's nothing further from the truth.

I have seen absoultely no one shit on anyone's takes on the Daycare Attendant.

Not a single one, and I have been super supportive of people's interpretations.

Yes. Peace and Love on the Planet Earth

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

I'm just gonna throw it out there cuz idk how many people have given you crap about this:

1). Solar labeled himself a "cousin" at EARTHS INSISTENCE. He straight up says that thinking about it in a "familial relationship" way doesnt work and is confusing see KC Eclipse Lunar Bloodmoon etc and hes only told that to Earth. Frankly, I think he, Moon and Sun think of Solar as "member of this family". Also, robots.

2). Moon can still develop feelings for someone, even if he's still aro/ace. I cant see Moon as EVER being the romantic type, and pretty much everyone in THIS show finds any sort of "physical" relationship weird and/or gross. Frankly, I read Solar as aro/ace too, cuz while the dude is CLEARLY capable of pining he really doesn't seem like the romantic type. So shipping Moon and Solar doesnt invalidate anyone's identity, especially since falling in love doesn't have to be romantic or physical *glares judgingly at society*

Also, imagine Solar and Moon going on non-romantic dates. Like they go to an anime convention or something and Moons completely needing out and Solars just like "you're a loser *heart eyes*"

WAIT NO BETTER IDEA!

Sun, who IS a romantic type, is like "I want my brother to have the best so I'm gonna help you guys get together" and Solars just like "pls no" and Sun tries to help make the perfect date, but both members are AGGRESSIVELY romantic and by the end Solar and Moon ditch Sun and like go play God of War or something X3

AH!

Surprisingly, no one has been giving me crap about much. I'm actually surprised with how chill everyone has been and how much on board they are with my silly little ship train idea. I'm actually happy everyone has been really cool and accepting so far.

And yes, this is true, and I went into a few posts about it. One post I went into specifics on the flexibility and "subject to change" nature about relationships in Robots. But agreed.

2. And yeah! Exactly. Back in the Early days of the show, Sun tried to pair Moon up on dates all the time, so it could have been a possibility that the old Moon was Romantic, or he wasn't, and Sun was just misreading the situation.... Also I never got his goal in trying to ship his brother with Roxanne other then to just be a voyeur because he's the one who liked her

And the only reason in my shipping Scenarios why Solar doesn't test his boundaries isn't cause he's acephobic in a majority of my scenarios. but moreso he doesn't want to violate Moon's trust or test his limits. Moon has given him so much, he doesn't want to ruin his friendship or the only home he's ever known.

Also NewMoon said he's "Questioning" right now, and that's also fine. And most likely i'll just draw from my own demi/ace experiences in a lot of ships I like/portray. Because I only know how to write my own experiences. It's not to invalidate others. I'm not every ace person in existence and it's such a wide spectrum so I can't account for everyone. I just write and brainstorm what feels right to me.

And. 3. gehaoghawefh Cute idea.

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

I heard about an fnaf au with Solar and Moon being a couple, is that true??

What will the story of the au be about? What would the relationship between Solar and Moon be like? and how will Sun react to this game of passion??

I'm already getting invested in this ship😊🤭

Lol. It's not really a story I'm making. You can't read it anywhere yet. Who knows, I don't know if I'll make a fic based on this concept or not... but never say never.

I talked about it a bit more detail in here along with other links

It's just more of an RP scenario I'm playing with my friends. So there's no real story outside of just imagining Pining and smooching. There's no concrete Au but one might develop later.

I just give it the title of "AU" cause I don't want people coming in my inbox like "but are they cousins????" Cause, lol to me they're not, and I've talked about the loosely defined relationships of the robots before many a time.

To clarify, when I ship Solar and Moon I did before the 'cousin' relationship was clearly defined, and I don't see them as cousins. Okay? Okay???? We cool? We Cool.

But basically,

Solar has developed feelings for Moon. He probably has when back he first met him, and they've just been growing more since his memories have wiped and Moon has become chiller, and kinder.

Has very "as you wish" Princess Bride feels with Moon you know what I'm saying?

Not many people would rebuild an entire daycare in a Day.... how much can he pay back for this Moon. He gave him a place to stay, and saved him from his own Moon. (me and my friends call Solar Dimension's Moon "Asshole Moon" for simplicity's sake)

Solar was willing to sacrifice his life for everything. To Stop Eclipse once and for all. The Eclipse that hurt Lunar.... but he did this.... Not just for Lunar, but for this Moon in another dimension he doesn't even know and his whole family.

Solar hates his Moon. He even admits to hating Moons, and the worst sides of Moon, like Bloodmoon for example, remind him of his Moon, and he even calls Moon out when he's acting like Asshole Moon. .........Solar's attempted Sacrifice to let Moon kill Eclipse is a pretty big deal.

And Moon refused to let that happen. Even if it was of no consequence to him. Moon tries to justify it in that, he just can't see another person get hurt... But think.

Think for a few seconds, and think about how I thought of it at the time, and still do.

Reframe that.

He couldn't see SOLAR get hurt.

Couldn't see Solar sacrifice himself for him. He pushed him into that dimension as the only way to save him. Solar was justifiably mad, and even angrier when Moon told him after the fact Lunar might possibly be alive. He understands why Moon did it...

And a few weeks later, once he realizes all hope for his dimension, and having the love and warmth and family he gets from Lunar and Moon will be something he will never have here... and Sun will never be the same again...

He left.

Showed up at Moon's dimension like a sobbing wet cat, like "I have nowhere else to go"

Solar is also one of the firsts to Accept NewMoon as he is as a new person, he listens to Moon complain about Sun missing his old brother, and gives him perspective.

As far as the AU goes.... Solar is pining hard... and he doesn't want to break the friendship he has with this Moon. It's something special to him.... And he knows Moon, well, Old Moon was aroace and he doesn't know if that still applies. He doesn't want to test his boundaries. He would hate to see Moon mad or worse, reject him.

He is content (he's not) for now, building Moon things, making him things, building for him and caring about him. As long as he can stay here.

It's only others taking notice of his pining heartbreak, which he keeps under wraps until it becomes way more noticeable... that others give him a push. Because Solar was ready to take this to the grave with no one ever possibly knowing.

Moon also realizes he likes spending time with Solar, and he likes his snarky sense of humor, and is more surprised about the feelings, but is willing to test the waters on this, if it just means spending more time with him..

As far as how Sun reacts to Solar and Moon's budding relationship..... Eclipse has been his willing sex slave locked in his room secretely for a month at that point so he hadn't noticed.

As far as when this all takes place?

I'm guessing somewhere around the time Eclipse 'died'

But in this au, he survived broken and destroyed and crawled out of the portal like a banshee out of rage and spite and was ready to murder every single celestial animatronic he saw, but had no star power and was too weak to do anything.

Sun just kept him in his room because he didn't know what to do with him, was hesitant to tell Moon the plan didn't work, because now Sun was seeing how pathetic Eclipse actually is, and he doesn't think he wants to kill another person again. So broken Eclipse just kinda stays in Sun's room for a good while.... until Sun slowly starts to repair him (with limited functionality due to lack of resources, he doesn't trust him, and isn't as skilled as Moon, especially without access to parts and service.)

Cue the banter of hateful teasing transformed into flirting and... there you go.

Eclipse won't talk about the past with Sun. He won't. That will take years for him to explain this whole deal. So it's more of a mutually beneficial relationship for them....as they say

[dana-chan-the-control-brain]

I dont know if this is awkward or not, but I feel like I should apologize to you and @twinanimatronics about how much the Sassy Sun drama has flared. I know I'm not responsible for people being assholes on the internet, but my difficult emotions took this new facet of my blorbo being revealed a little more personally, and I think a lot of people have too. I really appreciate you and everybody else on the platform for encouraging people like me about our perceptions of Sunny Boi, it's really helped balancing out my effed up emotions (which frankly weren't in the best state to process new info lol). I'm so sorry for all the crap you and Ceph and everyone have been dealing with, and I'm ESPECIALLY sorry if anything I've posted, replied, or vibed have helped fan this stupid flame. You are an awesome person, a wonderful creator, and the DCA fanbase is so fortunate to have you as a part of it! (and that goes for Ceph too if they read this)

Awww, thank you, I appreciate it.

Believe me, I don't hold anything against anyone.

We are on the autistic website, and some people are upset their Blorbo has expressed legit anger.

I personally, am more saddened by the fact that Moon is nothing more then "big sppooky big bad moon" with nothing new added.

I'm happy over new Sun content and seeing different sides to him, but Moon got the short end of the stick you know???

It's almost like he's a rabid dog with no thoughts behind those eyes other then "LIGHT BAD"

But that won't stop me from writing Moon as a softer person with a little bit more emotional intelligence and nuance to him, ya know?

I think the best that we can do is move on, and keep writing Sun how we like? Ya know?

All interpretations are valid.

HW2 is in this weird space right now where we are just taking in information and don't know the overall context of the story.

Sun in arts and crafts might be a VR-reconstruction about Fazbear Making fun of itself for Lawsuit purposes again. We don't even know.

I feel HW2 we won't know the answers for what it is aside from a lot of short minigames with endings stapled on them until like 2 or 3 games later.

I hope that people will take all of this in stride, and we'll stop doing the whole "Good Sun" vs "Sassy Sun"

Who's to say this isn't both sides of Sun? Who's to say HW2 Sun isn't real?

Who's to say that all of our Suns can't be friends?

Anyway, don't know how to end this point or train of thought

Peace and Love on the Planet Earth