#idk man. there's a lot of examples in earlier episodes too. like him refusing to fight thorn because she's amy. but you could say

[prowerprojects]

"Every Shatterspace contains a shard: creates a distorted version of our reality"

"If we bring them back here, and connect them to this real one— then maybe there is a chance..."

(Sonic Prime is not a multiverse story, it's one universe that got destroyed/distorted)

"They're not your real friends"

"Nine and all the rest of them are real!"

Sonic, you do understand that if reality gets restored, and the Shatterverse stops existing (because it wouldn't be shattered anymore), so would the shatterspaces, and everyone who lives there: everything would just go back to the way it was before.

But if you consider them real, you only have two choices:

Bring the shards together and restore your reality, bringing back your friends in the process, but the people created by the shattering of the Prism would go back to being just parts of your friends and seize to exist separately?

Or leave it be, and lose your friends forever, but their counterparts would still exist as their own entities?

So what would it be, Sonic?

Who has more right to exist?

[djemsostylist]

I think I posted something last week about plot vs. character, and damn was episode 34 the prime perfect example of this.  The entire episode was Plot.  Plot said “do this” so the characters did it, regardless of whether or not it made sense. 

In a way, this episode was more infuriating than all the others written by this team, and not because of the lackluster ending--that was both expected and honestly right in keeping with how terribly this entire plot has been handled.  But while previous episodes have been nothing but repeats of one singular plot line over and over (Eda and Serkan snark fight--Eda throws Deniz in Serkan’s face, Serkan throws Selin in Eda’s, there is one nice moment, Serkan is a dick again and Eda cries alone) this episode took things to the extreme with plot devices, and after nearly 7 weeks, I’m tired. 

I hate it it here. 

Everyone seems to have been excusing the Eda/Deniz mess for weeks, but I can’t.  It’s honestly far stupider to me than the Selin plot--the Selin plot is cruel on Serkan’s side and makes me want to wring necks, but the Eda/Deniz bullshit is just so completely nonsensical as to be almost more infuriating.  

I’ve seen a lot of apologizing on Eda’s behalf over this whole thing (she doesn’t owe Serkan anything, he is the one who is in a real relationship etc) but I think trying to examine any of this mess from a “what is the character thinking” angle is an exercise in futility.  The entire plot does not make any sense unless your goal is, when Serkan finally remembers, to have him think Eda has moved on and is better off without him.  Which is, I’m nearly certain, what these writers intended.  Despite Serkan’s last minute change of heart, I’m fairly sure they meant to have him NOT go to her.  So this whole plot is another “keep edser apart” thing which I hate. 

But if we are trying to make it “make sense” then Eda just appears dumb.  After her emotional outbursts in 29 (which are the last time any of her actions made sense) failed to get anything out of Serkan other than panic, her impulsively getting engaged is, I guess, sort of in character.  The problem is then that because these writers are so terrible, every single Eda scene becomes her looking sadly at Serkan (tears may appear, or may not), then actively working to piss him off, then rubbing Deniz in his face and refusing to answer any questions about their life, and then ending it by looking crushed.  If the goal was to get Serkan to fall back in love with her, the Eda we have been given for the past 6 or so episodes bears little resemblance to the woman Serkan fell in love with.  He fell in love with her heart, her creativity, her spontaneity, her love for others, her willingness to stand by and support him and those she cared for, her drive and ambition.  Eda in the last few episodes has been given almost zero chance to display any of these qualities in front of Serkan--what exactly is he supposed to fall back in love with?  A woman who repeats ad nauseum she is over him and doesn’t want him and has a far better love now?  And other than two(?) business related scenes, he’s seen little of her talent or ability, she doesn’t have any room to show her heart (you know, by say helping out Ceren or bonding with Piril or idk ANYTHING) and she certainly isn’t standing by him.  Eda has been reduced to a plot device in her own story to prevent forward story progression, and it’s annoying as hell.  The fact that the episode actually had a scene of her sobbing over missing Serkan and then still somehow maneuvered into not only going through wedding prep, but actively tricked and convinced into going through a whole fucking wedding ceremony for a man who wasn’t even present is frankly one of the more appalling things they’ve done.  The question remains--what exactly was Serkan supposed to fall back in love with?

To touch on what they’ve done to Serkan’s character would take a book, but last night’s episode took it to the extreme.  Eda claimed a few episodes ago to be “falling more in love with him” and it’s like, I’m as equally baffled by her falling more in love as I am with him falling at all in love.  Serkan has been become an asshole--snarky, bitter, annoying and entirely unlikable.  Any moments of softness are immediately replaced by a scene of him being a complete asshat, and it’s hard to remember what I found endearing about butthead Serkan of the earlier episodes.  But he has shown zero signs of actually being in love with Eda--I guess maybe we are supposed to take his pseudo obsession for love, but I found it more fascination or attraction than love.  Every element of their old relationship he found stupid and dumb, and with no opportunity to actually see or get to know the Eda he fell in love with, we are reduced to him suddenly becoming obsessed with her smell and being either jealous or annoyed over Deniz.  He literally got high--all inhibitions down, and still acted mostly giggly and confused, not smitten.  His first response after getting his memories isn’t to immediately run to Eda, it’s too joke with Engin about their youth and then mention that breaking up the wedding would be rude.  

I know I’m probably in the minority, but I hated last night’s episode.  I can’t get joy out of a cute scene that was pretty much just H&K having fun with a script when it has literally not bearing or affect on the plot.  I can’t get enjoyment out of a dress unbuttoning or a shirt buttoning when it has no bearing on the plot.  And when Eda is wearing another man’s ring and standing at the wedding table with another man and wearing a dress for another man and presumably saying evet to another man while Serkan is stubbornly refusing to breakup with a woman he barely tolerates and all their friends (except Ferit) seem to be either stupid or mean (I love Melo but encouraging her to keep up the game was horrible fucking advice, especially when Eda is a sobbing mess), I can’t like it.   Yay, Serkan got his memory back, but this has to be collectively the worst bunch of 7 episodes culminating in what might be the world’s stupidest plot I have ever seen.  I’m sorry, crap is crap, and I’m not gonna call a shit sandwich delicious for a glimpse of the actors having fun.  If I wanted to watch H&K be cute, I’d go watch a bunch of their old lives.  I watch a show for the characters, and until they are back, I just simply don’t care.  

I am a Salt Queen, on a throne built of Bitterness and Pettiness and Bile.  

[somuchkdrama]

Bride of the Water God

Episode 3 + 4

Pre-Episode 3 Theorizing

@dramajib: I wonder if there’s a possibility that Moo Ra is the real Bride of Habaek. Maybe he feels betrayed by her because she doesn’t love him. Maybe she turned him down and he goes to earth and has this romance with So Ah and then she dies and when he comes back to god-land they get back together… ...actually scratch that. It’s not very kdrama like at all. 

BUT also interesting to note is how the character profiles look. So for example on Asianwiki, which is my personal kdrama encyclopedia of choice, Habaek, Moo Ra and Bi Ryum (who I’m guessing we meet this week) all have similar pictures as compared to say, Nam Soo Ri.  I was wondering at first if it meant they’re all gods - does that mean Lim Joo Hwan’s character and So Ah turn out to be royalty too? Probably not though, it’s probably just a main character vs supporting cast distinction.

@rocknghorss: I was under the impression that JooHwan’s character was another god actually so you may not be far off. Now where I got that idea I couldn't tell you...

@triangularlily: I'm assuming there's other things in this world besides gods too like whatever Nam SooRi is.

rocknghorss: Well apparently a really literal translation of SooRi's name is Repair Man, which sound about right to me lol

triangularlily: LOL that's great

rocknghorss:😋 this show has jokes hidden everywhere

dramajib: That’s so good! This show really makes me want to learn more Korean and about Korean culture just so I don’t miss out on these jokes

rocknghorss: Same :)

So Ah and Kindness

rocknghorss: Can we talk about SoAh's compassion/lack thereof?

triangularlily: Yes I want to. Her "strength from hate" thing.

rocknghorss: Yeah... I really think that before she continues practicing as a psychiatrist she needs to see one herself...

triangularlily: I felt so bad for her with the voices thing like she really must have thought she was losing it on top of all her other problems.

rocknghorss: Right?

triangularlily: Her friend though said something interesting I wish I remember exactly, about her guilt and her true personality being kind but she is denying it.

rocknghorss: Yeah!  Although there were some parts where I was chuckling at her, because she should know that tissue stuffed in her ears won't do jack for the hallucinations

triangularlily: True lol. And then I was wondering why she didn't just throw the cactus out, but again she thought she was hallucinating.

rocknghorss: Yep. I feel bad that her dad (and mom?) neglected her to the extent that she was taking it out on the kids. But now that she’s an adult I find it pitiable that she can't see how her behavior then is still at work in her now?

dramajib: I felt bad for her sometimes, like it's been a hard life to be neglected by your dad like that, and not be allowed to feel sad about it because the people she's being passed over for are less fortunate. As a kid, that's not easy to deal with at all. And then now she's an adult and she's got these hallucinations, and then on top of all that she's haunted by Habaek and this other guy whose name I feel like I should know but I can't remember

triangularlily: Nam soori? Repairman?

rocknghorss: Lol

dramajib: haha no Im Joo Hwan's character

triangularlily: Ahhh

rocknghorss: Oh CEO Shin

dramajib: Oh good I can remember that

triangularlily: Of course Marie remembers

dramajib: HAHA

rocknghorss: Lolol

triangularlily: Wait I'm looking at mydramalist and Im Joo Hwan’s character is CEO Hoo Ye. CEO Shin is the old guy

rocknghorss: Oh did I get his name wrong? Nooo

dramajb: That’s it, you can’t be his fan anymore lol

triangularlily: They still haven't really revealed what happened the night she tries to commit suicide tho. When she ran out of the house?

dramajib: Oh I thought basically that was the day her dad left. So her mom tells her to deal with it and she chases after him but he just drives off. And doesn't answer when she calls

rocknghorss: I thought that she was trying to rid herself of her need for her dad... in a really extreme manner trying to show that she could take care of and save her own self

dramajib: By jumping in the Han river? I'm not contesting your theory, btw Marie, just pointing out just how dumb her logic is

rocknghorss: Yeah no I agree. I feel off about it myself because the translation for that was pretty confusing.

triangularlily: Yeah I can't remember what she said specifically... I  feel like they were really vague about it. I feel like they will clarify it more, Habaek even asked about it briefly.

dramajib: I agree with what you guys said earlier about her friend summing it up well though. While I get that her character has this weird internal conflict going on and that its been with her pretty much all her life, sometimes I feel like the show could do a better job of depicting it realistically. Then again this is a show about a psychiatrist who falls in love with a water god who has a photographic memory and some sort of eating disorder sooo... maybe realistic is not our top priority.

triangularlily: I don't think I've ever seen a lead with this kind of character too so idk it's rather new. I think I can understand where she's coming from though with the denial of kindness thing, like her dad was supposed to be epitome of kind but she only ever suffered because of it.

dramajib: And I guess she doesn't want to be like him and make people around her suffer, so she tries NOT to be kind. but still. She has to know it's illogical and that she doesn't resent him for his kindness, but rather his neglect of her.

triangularlily: That's probably why her character is so confusing because she seems to keep switching between being kind and not.

rocknghorss:  I think her refusal to admit her kindness is that she wants to reject anything in herself that even remotely resembles her dad

dramajib: That makes a lot of sense.

triangularlily:  Ooooh yeah that too.

dramajib: I can't say I LOVE So A's character, but I do find it really interesting, and I like how she's a very good defender when she lets her guard down and is being protective of someone rather than consciously letting them drown. Metaphorically speaking.

[trainer-sean]

The way you beat the trolley ain't unting the people, its Destroying the Trolley, the only enemy thats promoting the question

"Every Shatterspace contains a shard: creates a distorted version of our reality"

"If we bring them back here, and connect them to this real one— then maybe there is a chance..."

(Sonic Prime is not a multiverse story, it's one universe that got destroyed/distorted)

"They're not your real friends"

"Nine and all the rest of them are real!"

Sonic, you do understand that if reality gets restored, and the Shatterverse stops existing (because it wouldn't be shattered anymore), so would the shatterspaces, and everyone who lives there: everything would just go back to the way it was before.

But if you consider them real, you only have two choices:

Bring the shards together and restore your reality, bringing back your friends in the process, but the people created by the shattering of the Prism would go back to being just parts of your friends and seize to exist separately?

Or leave it be, and lose your friends forever, but their counterparts would still exist as their own entities?

So what would it be, Sonic?

Who has more right to exist?