#now i'm thinking that hori has some kind of plan for afo ending's (i am doubting he would die so 'everything will end well')

[twodlover]

the more i think about it the more interesting it seems

[haleigh-sloth]

Do you think that is the "real" Touya and Toga? It seems odd that Touya would give Toga Twice's blood and not use it in their next battle. It could also explain the wardrobe change since it isn't an exact copy of "Dabi". The heroes feel this is where they will end the battle and war against AFO and the League, it doesn't feel like that though. It feels like Horikoshi is setting up for the villains to hurt the heroes again until they come to the realization that they have to save the League.

So I had entertained the thought of them being clones when LAST chapter came out, but I don't think they are clones after this chapter.

I guess I'll use your ask to say my opinion on a lot of takes that came out this week that I do and don't agree with. Sorry for the ramble, you just provided an opportunity and I took it.

But before I do that I want to say that I don't quite know what Touya's change of outfit has to do with him being a clone. Twice duplicates clothes too, so even if it was a clone, that's still what the real Touya would be wearing. Here are three really good posts explaining Touya's outfit change, as it is more symbolic and representative of his inner thoughts toward himself than anything else: Post 1 Post 2 Post 3

Another reason I really don't think they are clones is because, while Twice's blood is a kind of secret tool they have, that doesn't mean they would outright use it. The thing is, I am pretty sure Dabi and Toga planned to use it against a certain person, the person who killed Twice. And that person was nowhere to be seen in this chapter or last chapter. Now that they are separated I think Hawks will encounter Toga and Dabi separately at different times, but I don't know honestly because Hawks's arc is a cluster fuck right now so, I'm just waiting and seeing how it goes. Twice's blood being used for this moment in this chapter, imo, would be a waste of its narrative use. But that's just my opinion. I am not writing off the possibility that they are clones, but to me it would feel way too jerky in the story. Like:

"OH! Look! The villains are here!"

"Oh look they're getting separated giving the heroes an advantage!"

"Oh, psych, it's just clones. None of this mattered anyway."

Personally, I hope that is seriously not the case. It's not out of the realm of possibilities, but it doesn't seem likely. Especially because of the state Shigaraki is in being revealed now, it feels kind of cheap to lighten that impact with making him a clone. BUT, again, not impossible. Just...I hope not.

Onto my little vent:

We are in the last war. But people have completely lost their cool and started screaming that it's too fast paced because this is where it's all going to end, right here. Like....guys. It's only February. Is it not like, possible, and LIKELY that Hori has a lot to cover within this next war arc and needed to start that actual battle aspect as soon as possible?

I never once thought that this fight that just now erupted was going to be the battle that decided everything. There are still THREE (3) individual battles that need to be resolved that we know off the top of our heads, and then we have several other things that need to be tied up. Aizawa and Kurogiri (no, I do not think we are done with that yet, I don't know why people think Hori just casually forgot about it when he literally never forgets about anything), Spinner's whole thing going on, and THEN the rest of the less-relevant villains (who are set up to have redemptive-ending arcs) all have to somehow find their way to the hero side to help save everyone, and then the LOV have to help put an end to AFO for THEIR redemptive moments. And not to mention, the entire rest of the class 1A kids have some shit to do also.

I mean....we are not at the end. I really wish people would chill. I can't find any posts anymore that aren't trying to rile people up into being upset about something. First, the pacing was too slow (which for me in the Deku-solo arc it WAS too slow and I stand by that), but now that it's finally upbeat and fast--it's the end of the world. Like??? What do y'all want omg??

We are in the last stretch but there is still so much to cover. So yes things are going to move quickly, as they should. I do not think the heroes are about to stop AFO and the LOV right here right now. Especially now that the LOV are separated--which idk about y'all but it's incredibly obvious to me that this is happening so each kid can face off with, fight, save, and team up their villain and then all reunite at the end. None of that stuff can happen with them all in the same spot. So no this doesn't feel like the fight where the heroes stop everyone.

Also--I still think Shigaraki is going to be the one to kill AFO. Not the heroes. Obviously Midoriya is going to help, probably they'll both ker-smash him at the same time, but I think it's gonna be Shigaraki ending AFO.

But anyway rant over. TL;DR: I don't think they are clones but I also know that bait and switches and jerky story telling is a part of BNHA at times. So it's not impossible, but I don't think they are.

[haleigh-sloth]

Hello. I hope your having a good day.

I'm was wondering if you think we will see Shigaraki before the final fight. In this chapter it was stated how AFO has taken over his mind and body. I mean we saw that but I had hoped we would have maybe a back and forth of control. There has to be more scenes with him. I don't wanna go a year or two without seeing Shig in the story. That would be very disappointing to only see him in the final chapter. It just doesn't sound right. He's way to big of a character to be cast off only to appear in the final fight then manga ends.

I'm glad that the story is headed towards saving him, but it saddens me to think we may only see him in 2 or 3 chapters at the very end. And they have to find him so he doesn't complete the process, this sounds like the war arc all over again, stop his process then battle. Very repetitive so I wonder how hori will handle that.

Thank you. And have a lovely day😄

Hey! My day is great! I’m loading up a uhaul and getting ready to move to a city four hours away from my hometown. So I’m in a great mood.

So you really don’t need to worry about Shigaraki disappearing until the end. Here’s why:

Yes, AFO has Shiggy’s body right now. BUT this does not mean he has it permanently.

I used these two panels in a post earlier. So basically this panel tells us that AFO can only take hold of Shigaraki’s conscience when certain circumstances are in place. Shigaraki is filled with hatred right now (sad) and that hatred is weakening Shigaraki’s grip on his consciousness, which allows AFO to take over. That’s why he tells him to “never let that hatred die”. Now the reason I know you don’t have to worry about not seeing Shig til the end is because he and Midoriya HAVE to have some kind of dialogue. I said in this post that it’s pretty obvious now that Shigaraki is going to have to play some sort of role in saving himself, but that he can’t do it alone. Shigaraki is going to HAVE to have a change of heart if he wants to be freed from AFO. And he isn’t going to just change his mind without some sort of intervening force (in this case that force is Midoriya). He and Midoriya need to have a conversation, an exchange of words. It’s not just going to magically happen in one moment either, there’s going to be struggles, back and forths between the two. So we WILL see him well before the final fight. “Saving” Shig is not necessarily rescuing him from his captor, it’s saving his heart as well as his body. And his heart will be saved by the words and actions of Midoriya. That simply just can’t happen in the last few chapters. Now whether or not that dialogue takes place in the real world or the vestige world is up for debate. Because I think it could happen either way.

Second reason: Shigaraki is set up to help Midoriya take down AFO. It’s that commonly used “good guy and bad guy team up against REALLY bad guy”.

Third reason: AFO says Shigaraki’s body needs to be perfected. See here:

We know that AFO plans to have Shiggy’s body rest and become “perfect”. My guess is that this is the reason AFO broke out his main body from prison. So that he can still run things, do AFO stuff in his main body, while Shiggy’s body continues marinating in the AFO juice until it’s completed. This here tells me that we are probably going to be seeing Shiggy in the vestige world sometime soon. His body won’t be usable for a time period, AFO will be using his OWN body to do AFO shit, and Shigaraki will only be conscious in the vestige world. That being said I don’t think his body will ever reach that state that AFO is wanting, because I expect the LOV to TRY to get Shig away from AFO at some point. Maybe not soon like for several chapters, because they have to come to the realization of what is happening exactly. But once they decide “this is bad this is not what we want for Shigaraki” they’ll make their move, and hopefully interrupt that AFO-ify process.

Fourth reason: Shigaraki has become the second-most important character in this story. Honestly. People can argue that it’s Bakugo, and they wouldn’t be completely wrong-because Bakugo WAS the second most important for the first 200~ chapters. But after the MVA arc, the story’s POV has been shifting between MAINLY Deku and Shigaraki. The war arc? That entire arc we were getting Deku’s and Shigaraki’s thoughts. These past few chapters have been different because it’s the beginning of a whole new arc, and Horikoshi has to do some setting up for the big stuff to come, which unfortunately means ironing out boring details here and there.

Horikoshi has chosen to shift the spotlight off of Bakugo and onto Shigaraki as the second most important character in the story. With that, I think it’s pretty safe to say we’ll continue seeing Shigaraki from here on until the end.

Shigaraki is also MY favorite character. In fact, he is now my favorite character of all time. I loved his character like...as soon as I started BNHA, which was only last year. I am NOT worried at ALL about his screen time getting cut. Not at all. We may not see him for a few chapters, but it will be for those reasons I’ve listed out above. Horikoshi has to iron out boring details, set things up, and clean things up from the war arc in order to move forward into the last third of the story. But Shigaraki will be back, and I’m willing to bet we’ll see him within the next hmmm five chapters.