#well it's actually what w.i.t.c.h. does lmao

[darlenicy]

I love how Icy really spits the words "Daphne had to spoil everything" in the German dub. Like "Ughh your goddamn stupid sis had to SPOIL everything! Ehhm hello?? how DARE she?" and i am too... yeah, how dare she!

imagine, how interesting winx could have been if the ancestral witches had won the battle of Domino. The whole dimension would have been under their rule. And maybe some rebels would turn against them. But the witches knew, they had to find the source of power - bloom and get her back to get all of her powers. sounds familiar? Well, that's basically what W.i.t.c.h. did. 🤣

But just imagine! The company of light could have played a way bigger role! And the Trix would have been raised to be heirs to the ancestral witches and might have wanted to overthrow them at some point. And then there was the race against time between good and evil who would find bloom first. And when we're already talking about W.i.t.c.h. - a group of young fairies find her first by accident - they later form the Winx. And they become friends but they don't tell Bloom anything to not put her in danger and then the ancestral witches find her and, like Phobos and Cedric did with Elyon, convince her, that her friends betrayed her.... yeah forget it, that would totally be the W.i.t.c.h. plot. 😂

[legends-live-in-memories]

I Have Too Many Opinions. ep. 1

lmao. i got encouragement to post my opinions on fandom things and now i want to make a miniseries doing just that. so here i am. doing just that.

im putting it under the cut cuz this was 4 whole pages including the disclaimer. yes i put a disclaimer and i explain why.

Anyways, here is the first piece in what inevitably will become fandom info dump, this time on thomas astruc’s writing on miraculous ladybug. but only some of my opinions cuz we would be here all day otherwise.

So… a disclaimer before I begin… 

I do not hate Miraculous: Tales of Ladybug and Chat Noir (yes i'm using their government name). I am quite a fan of the show actually despite its faults. I am also older than the intended audience but was obviously younger when the show first aired which is how my interest was piqued (the fact that its been 6 years and only 3 seasons says more about the show than me being a fan for that amount of time but also i never want to rush content creators cuz they're doing their best) and due to my age, there will be inherent bias in my approach of what i'm about to say as there is in EVERY opinion. The fact that it is an opinion should imply the presence of bias but most people tend to lack the critical thinking skills required to draw that conclusion ANYWAYS…

If I did hate the show I would not have this blog nor would I be even writing this because i tend to not give more than 2 seconds of thought to things i actively dislike (some of yall should give this a try) and i'm allowed to like things that are designed for an audience that i was originally a part of but grew out of. (I don't suddenly stop liking things because I'm older despite what many younger fans seem to believe about older audiences. I also don't need to be ‘allowed’ to do anything cuz i wasn't asking for permission anyways.)

This will not be character bashing, astruc bashing nor fandom bashing cuz, again, that would imply i hate any of those elements and if i did, i would not dedicate brainpower to them. Analyses and criticisms of media are fun and engaging and required if you wish to produce good enjoyable content. Now most of this should be already assumed and self-explanatory but people on the internet like to play morality roulette roll dice on purity culture and I rather have documentation that I am in fact not bullying fictional 14 year olds or a grown man. But alas, people get trigger happy whenever someone has less than 1000000% positive opinions on something they like and will throw out words they can't define (gaslight, baiting, toxic, problematic, gatekeep etc) in an attempt to defend their blind devotion, 

which is not needed, if you like something you never have to defend it, even if i don't like it. If you respond to anything I post saying you disagree with me, I will not argue with you. I won't debate back and forth and try to convince you that the things you like are wrong. Unless you are being absolutely tone deaf to what i'm saying, you wont get a negative reaction from me. So don't try to fish for a fight. Please. I got metaphorical hands for days and I'm mean, you don't want me hurting your feelings on the internet. Do yourself the favour. Difference of opinion is how we get diversification in media and is inherently a good thing. Now that that's out of the way, please don't ever let me have to say that again. I beg.

Now onto the fun stuff

I didn't know what I wanted as a first topic so my trusty internet friend @moonlitceleste suggested astruc’s writing… 

AND BOI do i got some opinions on ole tommy boi. Again I don't hate the dude. In fact, he has worked on a few shows that had defined my childhood, including but not limited to W.I.T.C.H. (all eps available on youtube for those interested, 2 seasons, general fun time all around).

So I don't think he’s scum of the earth but I do think his approach to writing mlb specifically has more misses than hits.

The first big miss is that he has no idea how to write 14 year old girls. At all. Almost every girl he has ever written feels like some terrible archetype built entirely for marketability and childish projection and pubescent self-insert (kind of). He has never been a 14 year old girl. I have. In fact when the show first aired, I WAS around the (assumed) age of the mlb characters. The behaviour he passes off as quirky or awkward or just the character’s genuine personality tend to perpetuate harmful stereotypes of teen girls found in the media and are never actually addressed as harmful. they just get swept under the rug. Marinette’s exuberant collage of teen heart throb model boi Adrien Agreste and her very painful almost fan worship she has of him (which flip flops like a paper sandal in the rain) being portrayed as a cute school girl crush uwu, Chloe being the y7 Regina George, Alya being the token best friend of colour with her ‘sassy’ personality (i want y'all to imagine me eyerolling so hard i bust a vessel in my eye), Kagami being the very damaging Perfect Asian Child stereotype. And before y'all get on your dusty soap box and defend going on about “BUT IT'S FOR CHILDREN”,,,, know this.

 i don’t give a solid fuck. 

Not one. 

Children arent stupid. Children are always going to remember the richy bitchy blonde who bullies the art kid, and the big kid, and the shy kid, and the non white kids, and was only nice to her equally rich white friend who she probably had a crush on or was only ever civil to her equally white lapdog. They're going to remember the half asian girl who was never allowed to actually be asian or the only black girl who existed solely as a soundboard for enabling bad habits or chastising the main character for the same habits she enables in the first place (boi aint THAT a topic for later). Like do i really need to explain that alya chastising marinette for taking max’s spot in gamer just to play with adrien rings absolutely hollow when she actively encourages her to sabotage the contest she’s in just so Kagami doesn't win?? Like I don't have to explain that right?? Again kids arent stupid and its quite something that Mari gets chastised for proving herself the best video game player regardless of her intentions just cuz it comes at the expense of max’s feelings/ego but is actively encouraged to sabotage not only kagami but herself by extension cuz kagami is ‘competition.’ Adrien is not a trophy to be won. And no I don't expect 14 yrs old to be perfect and to always make good decisions but these decisions are never addressed as being bad decisions. they get swept under the rug cuz those decisions were necessary for the ‘plot’ but astruc can barely keep characterization consistent and his characters suffer for it and it's the same children you preach are watching it that suffer as well. Cuz guess what? I KNOW 14 yr olds aren't like that cuz i've been there done that (this is the last time i'm saying that i promise) so I know astruc is just metaphorically throwing darts to figure out who says and does what without consideration for pre established personalities to drive the stalemate plot along. The same kids you say are watching this don't know that that's not how preteens work and will absorb and internalize those dynamics like baking soda and vinegar. Cata-fucking-strophically. 

And I haven't even gotten to the boys yet. Which honestly doesn't require much explanation anyways cuz they suffer the same fate as the girls. Tired archetypes with nothing to give them life. Nino falls into Adrien’s person of colour token best friend who dates the female lead’s person of colour token best friend so they can have cute double dates uwu. Except the plot goes nowhere and we have no inclination of romantic development beyond moments that only act to actively convince me to anti ship the lovesquare (i don't want to do that so i self indulge in fanon that actually cares about the characters and plot. may i interest you in True Sight on AO3?). Max is the residential nerd but it doesn't matter (cuz he and everyone are dumbed down for the sake of ‘plot’), kim is the sports jock (which interestingly subverts the asian comedic relief stereotype but only barely) and luka is cute older guy ™ that wears black nail polish and is in a band. The point of all this is to say there is no depth in the characters. It's especially blatantly obvious with the characters astruc doesn't like (chloe). Again, it being a show for kids is not an excuse to be absolved of putting effort into the characters you make.

This is one of the biggest misses astruc has. I haven't even gone into all the nuances of this particular miss. And i havent gone into how that works against him in the plot either. Mostly because the plot itself hasn't gone anywhere and partially because I wanted to go into the plot (or lack thereof) separately as its own miss. 

AND BOI is it a miss. 

SO home boy astruc wanted to reap the benefits of a serial show with ‘engaging’ plot without putting in any of the work to make a linear storyline and relying on the episodic format for, again, marketability. You can't have the best of both worlds, you are not Avatar: The Last Airbender. Which btw has a lot less episodes and a desired end goal that didn't involve top dollar. Legend of Korra did but that's not the point and it had its failings with that too. I challenge you, tell me how many episodes actually contribute towards a plot point or introduce new thematic elements to the show? Can you name them? I can and I'm going to include the plot points that moved the story in some direction if only temporarily. Yes only temporarily for some of these and i will explain later. (if you're in the server you already saw this list *wink*)

25/26. Origins- self explanatory, the beginning of the story, 

24. Volpina- introduction of the grimoire and Master Fu (kind of) and no, Lila is not a plot point,

28. The Collector- proper introduction of Master Fu,

37. Sapotis- introduction of Rena Rouge,

41. Syren- introduction of new aquatic power ups,

44. Anansi- introduction of Carapace,

47. Frozer- introduction of new ice power ups,

48/49. Style Queen- introduction of Queen Bee,

51/52. Heroes’ Day- introduction of Mayura and mass akumatization,

66. Startrain- introduction of Pegasus,

67. Kwami Buster- Marinette wears multiple miraculouses,

68. Feast- backstory as to how the miraculouses were lost,

69. Ikari Gozen- introduction of Ryuko,

70. Timetagger- introduction of Bunnyx,

71. Party Crasher- introduction of Roi Singe and Viperion,

73. Chat Blanc- alternate timeline that essentially means nothing but got a reaction out of fans anyways (myself included)

 77/78. Love Eater/Battle of Miraculous- Marinette becomes guardian and other heroes lose their miraculous,

New York Special- other heroes exist and there is an American miraculous box,

That's 21 episodes. 21 out of a heaping 78 plus 2 specials. Everything else was just your typical akuma of the day episode and everything that happened outside that had no lasting consequences on the plot thanks to the miraculous status quo. Was it entertaining to watch Lila stir the plot of the class dynamic? Hell yeah. Too bad it meant nothing by the end of the episode cuz we were struck with miraculous status quo. She literally doesn't appear again until Heroes Day. that is from episodes 25 all the way to 51, she means nothing and yet she is treated with the severity of a b-villain/rival thing. She means nothing by the end of Volpina if I'm being honest. She is only relevant for 20 mins of episode time she’s in then it's back to magic status quo that undoes any shift in dynamics and relationships. It's like Spongebob who can't get his driver’s license. The worst part is I actually like Lila and I wish the story treated her with the seriousness we as an audience are expected to treat her with. Despite being painfully inconsequential by the end of each of the 3?? 4?? episodes she’s in, it's entertaining to watch a character create drama just because. 

Too bad it means nothing.

Astruc is constantly building up suspense to something ‘important’ only for it to not deliver and fans are constantly having the rug pulled out from under us. Oblivio teased us with a reveal only that gets undone cuz memory akuma. Chat Blanc teased us with romantic development but that gets undone cuz time travel bullshit. Feast introduced more miraculous lore and the history of the guardians but that means nothing by the next episode or ever (i'm not including any reference to the season 4 trailer cuz i've been around the block a few times and im familiar with this lil dancy dance). Heroes Day teased us with a possible future team of heroes but that gets undone in Battle of Miraculous cuz ????? why?? (here's why; astruc was having a jolly ole time letting us know how irredeemable Chloe is at the expense of shooting his own stagnant plot in the foot. Again, discussion for later.)

Too bad anything that slightly swerves off course from the akuma of the day gets undone or ignored. Too bad nothing has any lasting consequence. I mean, if anything did, the episodes would have had a consistent order and release schedule so im not scrambling to watch the leaked ep in Portuguese or something while the french dub is two episodes behind while the english version hasnt even been dubbed. I really wonder how he plans to conclude the show when he’s so afraid to step out of the corner he painted himself in.

Again, not going into nuances. If you want you can ask for more specifics (i doubt anyone would) but this is really just a slightly detailed general overview of my opinions on astruc’s writing. 

I was going to include another miss in his approach to this show but imma save that for another time. 

How’s that for a ‘first’ post?

[camarilla-intuition]

Metalocalypse convo with @trans-karkat was just really good so..... Featuring bad mouse pad coloring because prismatic Toki. Closest I get to writing fics is just firing off ideas with Stevie, below the cut is 15 pages worth of au ideas.

Nathan- Sea, water and water creatures. Sound and romantic stuff as minor domains

Pickles- Earth, plants, intoxicants and parties. Probably more

Murderface- Fire, pestilence. Preservation of history

Skwissguard-Air, sky, storms, minor in metal and electricity.

Toki- Death, Heart, colors. extends to like life and souls n stuff.

Minor gods: Abigail viewed as an advisor, Charles as a prophet, Dick Nubbler a messenger, chef zombie and Klokateers as servants. etc.

Camarilla- Okay so..... what if…. they became.... an actual pantheon of gods... cause I have IDEAS

crab - yes yes yes yes yes yes

Camarilla-like Toki is obvious: major powers of death and like side shit of color and maybe more he hasn't bothered to uncover in himself.

Nathan gets Water and sound

Pickles probably of wine/intoxicants but that’s his front for his actual powers more being in like with like plants and earth shit.  with like instead of a crown of grapes like in greece it’s a crown of Hops, the kind they use to make beer.

or maybe both.

crab- yheyheayheayheah

he's dionysius basically

Camarilla- Skwissgaar gets skies and all that entails, maybe some fun ass space and storm imagery thrown in.

crab- also fertility

Camarilla- Oh yeah for sure... I started notes in my sketchbook and that is written down first lmao.   but Murderface gets fire then idk

crab- fdhjknh

murderface is probably like uhhh

FUCK

HUE SAID PESTILENCE

Camarilla- NICE YES FIRE AND PESTILENCE. just the idea of them getting god powers, trying to keep living their normal lives, while also accidentally doing god shit all over the place is just alsdkjg;ashfd;ajsndfv

crab- yehyehayeahh

YEAAAH

Camarilla- also it's hard to give everyone their own god like aesthetics when they also all need to be metal.... I haven't looked at enough metal fashion lately stevie this is tragic

Crab- YEAH agreed

i need to too .

Camarilla- Also I think Pickles is less an actual Dionysius and more he pretends to be cause that’s more metal than like, a Demeter or some shit.

crab-yehyeah that'd be cool

Camarilla- I was thinking elemental stuff for everyone but none of the elements fit Toki, so Everyone else gets Earth, Water, Fire, air and he's just DEATH

crab-he's like.. a nature god but that kind of thing is his Specialty

fdjgkhjn

YEAHHH

death.............

METAL

he's heart

or.. like

spirit

that's basically death

Camarilla-haha soul energy/ heart/ human element to it yeah that works that’s what they did in that W.I.T.C.H comic using the same words even

Crab- yehyeahyeahh

it manifests both in like

death and also like...

the positive aspects

Camarilla-Earth, fire, Water, Air, Spirit.

yeah i really wana give him like color and light spectrum as a minor power, like maybe how his 'spirit' ability would manifest.

crab-yeah omg

or like.. illusions

slash like.. bringing things to life

he takes life n gives life

Camarilla- but like..... socially/mentally damaged people turned found family, turned odd ball pantheon is MY JAM KINDA STORY

Yeah!

crab-YEAHHHHHH

toki accidentally turns all the shit in his room to life

like.. the model planes n deaddy bear n his other toys

Camarilla- They all have like crowns/ cool god outfits they can customize a la homestuck style but fancier and they all have the doomstar and/or the dethklok symbol on it that won’t go away no matter what color or style they make the outfits.

But holy shit yes good this is good

crab-yehaeyaheyaeyah

skwisgaar can't stop floating

Camarilla-god mode/powers auto give them the fucking dark eye makeup they normally wear on stage but like as a stain/discoloration and at the beginning they only can make the god mode work while performing but eventually the powers pop up more and more.

Crab- yehayeah

skwis keeps accidentally electrocuting people by touching them

Camarilla-toki's crown should look like a skull but like, with a cat ear silhouette and feather details.

crab-YEAAAAAAH

that's good

toki has like.. skeleton wings

Camarilla-but lmao yes little things like that. like Nathan gets angry and water faucets explode a little.

crab-FUCK

skwisgaar orgasms and fucking

it’s like

Camarilla-his crown is a whale and spikes and swirling wave shapes.

OH NO

crab-(thunderclap booms down the hallway, also a woman screaming)

toki: oh he does it again

Camarilla-oh no

it true

crab-yheyheayha that’s good though that’d be a pretty crown

murderface burns his mustache

FUCK

HUE JUST SUGGESTED

SKWISGAAR'S HAIR LIKE

WHENEVER HE GETS A BONER LOOKS LIKE SOMEBODY RUBBED A BALLOON ON HIS HEAD

Camarilla-the fans start to notice the supernatural happenings and the band is just like "What did you think 'Blazing star' meant? god catch up."

Crab-ssjfdghbgh

Camarilla-LMAO I was already picturing that Skwissguard hair just starts doing the drama floaty thing whenever his powers start showing up and the more and more it happens the more his hair is just perma doing the floaty thing.

crab-hue just now- 'pickles doing the deadly hexikicks and a fucking earthquake happens two cities over'

nathan talks to fish

Camarilla-HAHA YEAH THATS THE SHIT. he's bored and standing on the Mordehaus yard or some shit and starts thinking about wine or beer and the grapes just start GROWING from his feet and he doesn't even fucking notice.

YES PLEASE YES GOOD

crab-i mean that’s already fucking canon

but he like.

starts talking to All fish and all fish talk back instead of just the whales.

Camarilla-when nathan has better control he can make those water audio files by himself

crab-murderface can never touch firecrackers without them exploding in his face

Camarilla-yeah!!!!

Good.

crab-he burns his confederate boxers

dfnhbhbh hue just said. he farts fire

Camarilla-someone else takes a sip/eats from something murderface had touched/drank from(probably on accident cause hella ew) and they get like Serious FEVERS for the next 3 weeks if not die from fever.

crab-ok him playing a flaming bass guitar would be pretty cool though

Camarilla-yeah and the SHITTY SHITTY double meaning of flaming... god

crab-HAHAHAHAHA

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

OHHH MY GOD

this is fucking incredible

Camarilla-YEAH GOD

crab-any groupies who touch murderface go home with like. boils

also murderface fucking. makes people puke but mostly makes himself puke

Camarilla-YEAH even more reason to avoid everything about him

crab-like

the powers manifest when he feels disgusted

so when he's looking in the mirror he just

covers himself in like.. Pustules

Camarilla-oh god yeah the powers lean more toward the pestilence side the more self deprecating he is.

Crab-yeaeheyahheyah

Camarilla-maybe that would make the band actually make him go to therapy.

crab-HJDFKBKJGH

Camarilla-CHARLES tho. like nobody expects anyone else to develope any other power but the sheer proximity and attention from the band gods gives a little something to people they favor.

crab-yehayeha and he's like

still the high priest of the church of the black klok

Camarilla-like Charles starts seeing things a few mins before they happen, not everything but small premonitions. and they get more useful and farther ahead the more he realizes them. he also starts seeing when people lie, or even when they are hiding something.

crab-YESSS

Camarilla-YEAH lmao

crab-and he's like.. partially immortal

Camarilla- yes good.

Abigail notices that other people just listen better to what she says, like they obey her easier. probably also something more subtle like extremely good luck that ers on the side of probablility manipulation.  her other clients she produces for just get better and better cause she’s there and making it work.

Crab-yheyeayheah

Camarilla- Dick Nubbler guy gets like Synesthesia like visual cues at sound, his engineering doubles in efficiency and skill.

crab-yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

like.. Technomancy

Camarilla-basically yeah!

idk who else is around the band a lot?

crab-yeah uhhh

i think that’s about it tbh

jean pierre but he's not exactly ..... human

Camarilla-yeah honestly....

hes like.... just a undead minion basically....

OH! the Klokateers start getting stronger, fewer die form weird accidents.

Crab-yeyaheayeha

Camarilla- better reflexes, better constitution. that pyrotechnics explosion that should have killed them just bruises them now.

crab-Hell Yeah

god... this would be so good

Camarilla-the longer you stay working for them the better you feel, even if it's not the same kind of direct influence that people the band favors would get.

Crab-yheyheah

Camarilla- LMAO RIGHT??? the ideal little things that i know won’t ever happen in canon

crab-what would like............ happen plot wise......

Camarilla-IDK

Crab- i guess they would just sort of serve to like

gain even more esteem with humanity and even more of a following

Like

Camarilla-just weird god shit preparing them to fight/defend themselves and the world from the half man

crab-they had a following as celebrities but this is the next level so that like

people actually start legit worshipping them on a god basis and like..... are prepared to follow them wherever they're supposed to lead humanity

Camarilla-well like then you get into the discussion of when you compare celebrities in pop culture to the idolization of old gods. It’s a comparison people have made before, it would almost seem natural for the progression of their popularity

crab-eyaheayh

but they definitely like need something to push them out of the celebrity bubble and into like....... Oh, These People Are Shepherding Humanity

bc at least in the eyes of the governments and shit they’re still just some dudes

Camarilla-But then you have the weirdness of your gods living among you and making mistakes. being much more imperfect and greek god like.

crab-yesssssssssssssss

me:  My People Had It Right

Camarilla-I think there would always be the possibility of denial, so you’d need something like when the greek gods did, giant acts of impossible power, to really prove them wrong but the boys are just... too damn lazy for that shit

crab-yheayehayeh

people online keep try to like

debunk everythign

Camarilla- so they just end up existing in this weird limbo of gods/not gods, until their immortality would start catching up with them lmao

crab-yess

i think they'd be stuck at the ages they were when salacia 'started' the klok by killing that dude

Camarilla-They wouldn't even care cause like hey them trying to doubt our awesome superpowers isn't half as bad as some of the other stuff the media/fans have tried to do before

crab-yeah lmao and also they don’t give a shit about the fans

Camarilla-but yeah!

Crab- they start having to fight / have conflicts with other deity like entities or whatever the hell salacia is  , like..

things or people from  wherever he came from

Camarilla-YEAH that’s good for short term conflict. but like, any decent group of people turned immortals/gods would probably sit back and try to let the world and humanity run itself cause like how are you ever gonna keep up with so much change if you're an immortal with the mind of a normal ass dude.

crab-ye

oh also nathan can breathe water

nathan just fuckin starts hanging out in the mariana trench

Camarilla-but those boys probably wouldn't care so much, they'd just keep doing what they want and the world would just have to LIVE with these rude as fuck Jack offs being sometimes gods.

Crab- fdngnkh

i think it’d be hilarious if they hadn't actually done anything like that until they realized that

but that's PROBABLY statistically impossible

Camarilla-they have to fucking... run halfway across their universe to hopefully avoid the other band mates noticing since it's like.... a really uncontrolled moment of power if they aren't careful.

crab-skwisgaar's thing is less about creating life and more about extending himself and his energy, and creating like.. a web of life and particle interaction

Camarilla-everyone still probably notices real quick tho.

Yeah!

crab-HAHAHAHA

Camarilla-like the way the wind travels, is everywhere reaches out over the globe that kinda thing.

crab-yeah because toki has literal lightning in his eyes for years after

Camarilla-also it could be centuries into this god shit and they'd all just... keep calling each other band mates outside of stressful situations.

crab-HAHAHAHA

the terminology takes on a whole different cultural meaning

bandmates are closer than brothers and soulmates

the band never catches on

Camarilla-lmao yes! prolonged physical contact with one another affects them in slightly subtler ways than it would a mortal but still does. especially if sex/feelings are involved.

lmao YEAH god

I'd think that an immortal swiss would still sleep around where he could, but like, Toki wouldn't so much and that would be ANOTHER thing they both avoid addressing for a LONG ass time. haah IMMORTALITY suckers.

crab-YEAH lmao

since it's just with mortal beings toki would be like

eh, they dies anyways

his insecurity issues get a lot better as like.. thousands of years go by

and he wouldn't care if it was with the other guys because they all do it eventually

UFKCING

Camarilla-I think that for any mortal Toki is close too there are.. les obvious signs than the other leave. like it's so rarely happens but it still does sometimes and almost none of it's a physical sign. they can start seeing more colors in the world then they thought possible and like... yeah good

crab-nathan: hey guys, uhh. so i've been thinking, and.... you know how like. we ain't exactly human anymore, right. nathan: like. look at toki, he's a fuckin bipedal rabbit with like four heads and glitter for breath. also cut that shit out, it's not biodegradable. nathan: anyway point is nathan: is being gay even like. a thing

Camarilla-they all are super close probably but also need afucking break sometimes. so maybe they just try to live lifetimes as normal as they can. as normal as the lives they missed out on the first go around. even tho they wouldn't give that up for the whole universe.

crab-the rest of them: uhhhh

yeyheayheah

toki can be found in like

almost any large group of children

go into a chuck e cheese. he's there in the ball pit, eight years old

Camarilla-everyone has those DUMB ass shocked expressions they all make for like....  a soild three hours straight, at the least.

YES GOOD IDEAL

crab-YEHAEYAHEYAH

skwisgaar can usually be found at those kinds of things too, half the time if toki's there he's in the background standing around

he makes the animatronics dance

Camarilla-HA yes good. Murderface just, starts being at events that will later be viewed as historically important. none of them have time/spacial based powers but it’s just this uncanny thing cause he WANTS to witness history so bad.

crab-yheayehaeyah

if anybody figures out how to time travel it's him

Camarilla-hmm yeah.

crab-that would have the potential to seriously fuck w things though

so idk if itd happen

OH I DIDNT READ UR TIME SPACIAL BASED POWERS BIT

gjkhlj

yeah i agree i think.

it's more of a like.. nostalgia history thing

none of them are smart enough to do math and timespace powers require math

Camarilla-lmao but like. people all the time, hear the stories and lowkey view figures like Charles, Abigail, Dick, as like minor gods. minor parts of the pantheon. prophet, guide/advisor, messenger type roles.

but yeah that was my thought!

crab-yeahyeah

god

theyre gods but they can't ufkcing do math still

they all refuse to learn

Camarilla-GOD oh no

crab-skwisgaar has an instinctual understanding of particle physics but he won't fucking learn to do long division

Camarilla-but then they'd have to bother to learn how each different place does the math stevie! who wants to do that!

crab-YEAH

Camarilla-lmao he's just listening to some scientist in an interview or documentary on tv explain how they could get this great machine or theory to work, honestly they’re just so close! just have to figure out the right adjustment!

and he just

slips right over and does the damn thing like 'you fools look this is EASY.'

crab--boops one electron into place-

'see??? was thats so hards'

Camarilla-"HOW are you doing that?" "I donts sknow i just ams. look you just put yours hands out here and just." "NO BUT HOW??"

crab-'you know, you moves the... and then bing bangs, boom'

Camarilla-their god powers have a scientific base but god forbid they are ever able to explain how their shit works. like they are more than human but they still exist within the universe and it's rules.

crab-YEAH

they have a really high like.. powerful understanding of things innately within them but like

they're still dumb as hell

Camarilla-of course!

crab-when toki gets a better grip on his powers and how they're linked to him emotionally surveillance footage from multiple hospitals shows a like. ten ish year old boy walking into the kids wards, saying hello to everybody individually, and walking out moments before doctors realize that Literally Everything all the children were there for has been cured

Camarilla-they just, as much as they NEED people and life around cause they still have mostly mortal minds, they also just, don't actively care that much. they basically probably make sure that the civilizations they look over don't completely destroy one another and that they have internet and a media to be on. Haha

crab-yehyeah

eventually toki gets sort of jaded by death and stops healing people, because they just.. die eventually anyway in a few years

he has a soft spot for kids though

he mostly just does it when people pray specifically to him.

crab-so people learn to do that lmao

Camarilla-so more little things and acts with the very occasional GRAND performance and they keep the big impossibilities to a level that people can still deny if they want! and that doesn't matter to them so much, makes them feel more like they did backs as mortals, back as just a normal band again!

Crab-yehyeah

Camarilla-but still all the little impossibly things happen around them and they still just have that undeniable godly magnetism to their music!

Crab-yessss

Camarilla-hha toki taking care of sick kids is my fave yes good

crab-yesss

reports roll in of a series of allegedly abusive parents being attacked by impossibly large falcons

Camarilla-it maybe creeps everyone out when Toki pretends to be a kid again but they also all get it like yeah. even tho like sometimes they'd probably feel too big to even fit in any 'human' form so like why bother when it feels so weird. but even tho MF holds on to the human traits the longest, Toki is the one who spends the most time actively TRYING to look human!

crab-yehyeah

he's just.. bad at it sometimes

kids don't care though

Camarilla-YES! he just lives out the kinds fo rescues and fantasies he probably had. and with his new form and understanding he never ever has to feel cold again!

Crab-yehyeah

Camarilla-Skwiss probably helps with that bit

crab-people try to appeal to skwisgaar for romantic help but that's actually nathan's department

Camarilla-preventing the cold, teaches him how to direct the energy in that way. like not a step by step lesson, no science to it. it's all about feeling the energy and how it's working and all the little factors of weather and thermodynamics turned into metaphors based in music and chords

Crab-yehyheyheah

Camarilla-but he still explains it and Toki gets it pretty easy

crab-that's so good