#what do you MEAN that crocodile being luffy's mom is an actual theory what is going ON!!!!!!

[taniushka12]

person who is up with the manga and the anime: *talks abt a theory*

me who is only in ep 177 out of 1000+ and just hears bit and pieces w/o 0 context:

WHAT?

[moongothic]

JJK fans love the Kenjaku is Yuji’s mom reveal so why is there such opposition in OP fandom to the Crocodile is Luffy’s birthing-dad theory?

I mean I'm not into JJK (I watched Season 1 and thought it was fine) so I can't really comment on that situation (like how it plays out in that story* and what their fandom is like), but I think in OP's case it just comes down to rampant transphobia?

*(Okay I quickly looked up What The Situation seemed to be in JJK and as far as I can tell, although Kenjaku took over the body of Yuji's mom and gave birth to the kid, he does not seem to be a binary trans person? Rather, he's just some inhuman, monstrous entity who took over a body of a poor woman for a while before going back to presenting as male? Like there is an argument to be made that Kenjaku could be read as genderfluid or nonbinary (or even a GNC trans woman because Kenjaku does not have to possess Women Only Forever to be a woman), but you could also just ignore the potential queerness of the character entirely? And just treat him as a cishet murderous monster? (Who can do queer shit if he feels like being experimental or has just evil master plan to fulfill because he's already "morally corrupt" so having a gay phase is just a cherry on top at this point) But again because I'm not into JJK I don't know how that reveal has been treated in the story at all so I can't comment on it really)

More specifically; One Piece is a much, much older series, and as an older series, its fanbase is also older. And when you have an older fanbase, it's more likely there'll be "old fashioned" transphobic and queerphobic fans in general. Like a new series like JJK may be a bit more likely to attract younger, more open-minded fans, where as OP's fanbase can base as old as the series itself. (Mind you I'm not saying old OP fans are queerphobic by default, fuck I'm almost 30 myself lmao)

Not helped by the fact that, while I do sincerely believe Oda is for Queer Liberation, his representation of queerness in One Piece has been Imperfect at Best, often instead reinforcing western queerphobic ideas about queer people instead. So on a surface level the transphobes can look at OP and simply assume Oda is on their side, and when you add to the fact how for a long time there was this absolute echo chamber where nobody could ever say anything negative about Oda ever... Yeah, despite Oda's representation improving, the transphobic side of the fandom has not grown one bit.

Thus, we have a lot of older fans who view Crocodile as A (cishet) Masculine Manly Man, a type of guy some men kinda look up to (and someone a lot of women find hot). And many of those people would probably see it as a threat to their own masculinity if The Manly Man Crocodile turned out to be """a chick""". And even if it didn't, some of them just hate trans people and don't want him to be trans. They'd accuse Oda of """going woke""" if Crocodile did turn out to be trans. They'd accuse him of "changing the character" (actually seen people say that).

And all of that shit would just be amplified if Crocodile was not just a trans man but also had been the one who had given birth to Luffy. Especially because then there'd be no way for them to ignore it in the story, as that would be like an important plot point and crucial character lore. There's be no way to ignore the fact that Monkey D. Luffy has two fathers, and one of them is a gay trans man. And that mere concept I'm sure makes the transphobes' blood boil.

Or at least, this is what I'm assuming is going on deep in the psyche of the most openly transphobic OP fans.

The other aspect could be just that a lot of people haven't actually done like a deep dive into the theory and have just heard the surface level meme version of it, and like. Like I had heard of the theory like 7+ years ago maybe, but only in the context of a piece of joke fanart. I never thought it was An Actual Theory until last September (and proceeded to lose my mind when I fell down into that rabbithole), like until then had you asked me about Crocodad I would've been like "lol what?"

But like. I dunno man. Usually when you see people discuss the theory on Reddit or elsewhere, the explicitly negative comments and takes about the theory just tend to call it "stupid" without explaining why they feel that way. So I can't say for sure why the OP fans hate the theory. I can only guess these are the main reasons why???

[mamamittens]

What do you think of the Crocomom theory

Not terribly likely, tbh but also super fucked up if it was true like....

I didn't imagine the scene where Luffy almost got his guts hung out to dry, right? That is some wild ass behavior if Crocodile is his 'mom'. I mean, it's possible he wouldn't... Know? If Luffy was separated from him as a baby... But given what he'd been doing I don't know why Dragon would think his own father is a better fit to raise their kid to 'be free' than the one actively building up a business (and overthrowing the local government like Dragon has room to talk).

It's an interesting idea and I don't hate the thought that Crocodile is secretly trans (or rather I don't wanna know what else Ivan would hold against Crocodile like that). But I really don't think Luffy is his kid. He didn't seem to have any sort of recognition from what I recall...

I personally find the idea that Big Mom is actually Luffy's mom more entertaining (what wild ass strings Dragon would have to pull to snap up Luffy lmao) or perhaps a noble Dragon got a little too close to. At least in Big Mom's case it'd make sense she doesn't recognize him cause she's literally got over 80 distinct kids already... Next to them Luffy's painfully average looking.

Or, even more intriguing, Luffy's mom either being Roger's female relative of some kind or a victim of the search for Ace. This makes Dragon's hatred of the establishment even more plausible, honestly, as I recall it being said... Somewhere (possibly incorrectly) that Dragon couldn't raise Luffy cause he was building up the Revolutionary Army.

What I mean to say is that there are a lot of possibilities for who Luffy's mom could be, but somehow Crocodile doesn't strike me as very likely. I could be wrong but I feel like this is a mystery Oda isn't that invested in revealing or he'd have dropped more hints about it.

He doesn't even really resemble Crocodile from what I can tell, although his aged up art indicates he takes after Garp quite a bit so idk

Whoever it is was able to have a close... Relation with Dragon (loves freedom, hates the establishment) but unable to keep Luffy for some reason. Fun idea though