discourse-by-candlelight

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Super hot take: Seperate/exclusive spaces are OK, and that goes for both sides

So this post will probably piss off a lot of people since tumblr syscourse is mainly a slap fight between zealots on both ends, but we think having CDD exclusive spaces is a good thing. Beyond that, we even think having non CDD/Endo exclusive spaces can be good too, and we don't think that is inherently ableist when broken down and thought over.

The concept of a space dedicated to traumagenics and or CDDs is obvious. People want to relate when they have a serious condition and be able to share good information and experiences relating to it. There is a million shades of grey between a full traumagenic DID system and a nondisordered Endo for sure, but that doesn't erase the fact that there is core differences between our experience as a tulpamantic system and that of a DID friend's. There is information and advice from my side of the plural spectrum that would be useless or even outright harmful for them to use.

This also applies the other way around too. There is concepts from not only the CDD community but just the wider plural community in general that is harmful for a tulpamantic system, such as having to accept all new members. Tulpamancers can sometimes experience what we call walk-ins, which is what seems to be a new tulpa who appears out of the blue. Some never experience this, and others have them very often. The common tulpamancy advice is to ignore or symbolically reject them unless you purposely decide to accept one into the system. If we were to use wider plural advice in this scenario, someone could go from a tulpamancy system of 5 to a system of 1000 over a year and experience extreme distress and even outright impairment from it. It's happened in the past before.

Dissipation is on the other side of the coin. While taken very seriously in tulpa circles, sometimes it is indeed necessary to do it. For a CDD system however, trying to dissipate an alter would cause extreme harm and in some cases we've read, lead to even more splitting.

Purely on an informational basis, being in the wrong space as a specific type of plural can do a lot of harm to all parties. This doesn't mean end mixed spaces. Mixed spaces are great, useful, and offer many new perspectives! It just means that sometimes having dedicated spaces can be just as important, both for those with and without CDDs.

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Hello, we are the Candlelight Society, a tulpamancy system. Literally all of this is wrong. Tulpa isn't a Tibetan term but is created based off one, from a controversial explorer and Theosophist of the time Alexandra David Neel. Your description doesn't match ADN's original, which allowed for the projection of the tulpa as a tangible entity (which ties into Theosophist thoughtform concepts of the time, the Tibetan inspirations were more orientalist dressup). The modern tulpamancy community is by and large psychological and most don't even know of ADN or believe the practice is Tibetan in any way.

Tibetan Buddhism is not a closed practice on that note, it's actually quite open but does desire to be respected and practiced properly if a person chooses to. To call Tulpamancy a "whitewashed" version of the practice is to insult both, as they have little to do with eachother beyond the origins of the term going back to ADN. Beyond that your point falls apart as you call tulpamancy a whitewashed practice, but say there is no difference between tulpamancy and willomancy beyond the words, would this not imply willomancy is just another branch off of this?

As for the actual differences, there is quite a few. Tulpamancy for example is for the most part highly independent of the plural community, and possesses it's own terminology, culture, and models and ideas. Willomancy meanwhile is something born of the plural community. First as an in my opinion hamfisted rebrand due to tulpacourse debates, and then as it's own created plurality subculture built off plural community ideas and some grabbed tulpamancy techniques they've now reworked for their purposes. The two have distinct identities because of this large culture and history difference. Tulpamancy has decades of formation and in community debate to hone it's ideas and schools of thought. Willomancy is new and still finding it's legs, still finding the boundaries of what does and doesn't apply to it and being molded by syscourse and plural community discussions. Tulpamancy is mainly from the initial perspective of a singlet turned tulpamancer, and so all plural techniques and experiences are learned and honed through a culture of experimentation and debate. Willomancy is mainly targeted towards existing systems and so has an at the moment looser grasp on some of these techniques and is more focused on other things which may be less important to a tulpamancer such as system roles, ethics discussions, etc.

Tulpamancy is also more than just the definition, and as it is a practice and culture independent of the wider plural community, has things under it which wouldn't be considered tulpas or willos by the plural community. An example of this is walk-ins which are tulpas which seemingly just appear or are unintentional. In the plural community these may be listed as spontaneous headmates, or various other -genic labels depending on the circumstances leading up to it. For a tulpamancer though they're still just tulpas if accepted into the system (and can be rejected, wherein they'll simply fade away/dissipate as they were never fully formed tulpas with strong development). Some tulpas were created form traumatic circumstances, others maybe something more vague or esoteric. All of them are simply called "tulpa", and the rest is something to be discussed between community members. For willomancy there's already a large list of -genic labels and plural community models which are going to influence the group's future development.

Okay I don’t know if I’m able to ask this but can I get a definition or elaboration on the difference between willos and tulpamancers? I can’t find a straight answer. No pressure if you don’t want to answer this ask!!

Hey Anon!! For sure!

First off, the origin of the word "tulpamancy" is a Tibetan term that people from the West found and went absolutely wild with (as they do). It was twisted into a Western idea of the intentional, spiritual act of creating entities in one's head through intention and meditation.

Willogenic, on the other hand, is the act of creating a headmate through intentional means, sometimes a fictional character, other times an original creation.

The main difference is the words used, not the actual definition. Tulpamancy is originally a closed cultural practice that was whitewashed, willogenic is not.

Thank you for asking!

-Dex (🐈)

[discourse-by-candlelight]

At this rate Sophie should just take all the tulpa stuff out of her blog. Beyond the fact that she still isn't really connected to the actual tulpamancy community (post still coming just delayed due to work increase for the 4th), she just doesn't post plural stuff period anymore.

She's become a political slop account seeking to for all intents and purposes troll just like most political slop accounts. It's quite frankly a pitiful and disgusting display from what used to be the largest and while always controversial still generally well liked voice of the endo community here on Tumblr.

We can't speak to the reason as for why she chose to degrade herself like this, but the single best thing you can do at the current moment is just cut off all interactions with her period. No rebuttals, no responses, don't feed trolls. Let her scream into the void and achieve the inevitable result of her current self destructive course.

Leaving herself all alone.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

We're going to have that post up by the end of the week probably, sorry for anyone waiting but we just got back from a large festival and family vacation which was a lot of fun but also energy consuming plus we'll be working extra hours to help the store for the 4th. Busy busy busy but that's the way life goes!

In the meantime we'll be answering some asks and thinking up some posts to revive our main blog @thecandlelightsociety because syscourse being our main would be the end of us. We're currently thinking of doing some basic 101s not necessarily as guides but instead to just softly introduce some basic tulpamancy concepts and models to the plural community here so that there's less confusion on exactly what we are and why we're more than just created systems. Hoping we'll remember to do that anyways lol.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

made people. more conservative?? by telling them about radqueers and transplurals? please tell me you don’t think that it’s conservative not to like that rq shit

Wrath: Of course not, however what Astra was referring to was a time I (the host) was discussing it in an already center-right leaning tulpamancy server, and it was more easy for those types of people to associate it with other left leaning movements or "the woke ideology". It was a lack of care of the consequences on my end which was a bit of a mistake, but at the same time the people already had conservative inclinations. Radqueer ideology is in many ways basically what conservatives stereotype and imagine when they see a legitimate leftist movement, but somehow unironic. It's why we're glad it's mainly contained entirely to tumblr, because the consequences of it moving off platform would be horrible for trans and nonbinary folks.

It's certainly not conservative to see the unhealthy mindsets that lead to radqueer ideologies and understand the harm it could do to the LGBTQ community. They're still human and deserve the respect all humans should have, but there's little we can justify about the movement nor would we want to.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

We've gotten more asks than expected since we started posting about the tulpamancy community. It's great to see the interest but do bear with us since we're generally slow to respond and very easy to distract. We'll get to as many as we can in do time.

In the meantime if anyone else wishes to send us questions about the tulpamancy community, a tulpamancy technique, ideas, etc. Please feel free to do so! We also post about tulpamancy without syscourse on our main blog @thecandlelightsociety

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Astra: This'll be a bit of a more less thought out post but I need to vent for a moment. Apologies if it reads poorly.

The amount of BAH and radqueer blogs in the tulpamancy tag is... really tiring. My community is not about overglorifed OC printer blogs or an ally of a radical and often horrifically unhealthy movement let alone considered part of it. Please stop.

Neither groups care about the techniques, ideas, schools of thought, or discussions about the inner workings of those things that tulpamancy entails. We aren't just a term for OCs to introject nor are we transplurals. Most tulpamancers don't even know what radqueers, and by extension transplurals, are by nature of not being on this platform (and when we brought them up once in a tulpamancy server I think we accidentally made some people more conservative for doing so, but that's a story for another day).

Sorry for the random post when we're morseo trying to focus on sharing the actual nature of the tulpamancy community good and bad nowadays, but we felt like it was related enough and we can only see so many people wear our practice like a skin suit for their own interests. BAH blogs are a weird thing to us and most of the syscourse on them seems weird and dumb, they're just OC blogs at the end of the day, but they're still not tulpamancy. If you want to do a BAH blog in the tulpamancy tag at least share some resources on how to actually build said headmate lol. Radqueers on the other hand are a topic way too complicated to discuss in detail but nonetheless definitely shouldn't be slithering into my community. Trust me if you get too comfortable and try to move to any tulpamancy community off tumblr it won't end well for anyone.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Astra: Maybe I shouldn't make my info dump posts randomly at 3AM lol. Might explain why we never get any responses.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Astra: I think one of the things I'm looking forward to discussing most in our upcoming post is going to be the political landscape of the tulpamancy community, because at least in my eyes it has such a wider diversity of political ideas and leanings compared to the plural community. The tulpamancy community has sub groups dedicated to left, right, and center leaning politics and their respective various ideologies. These can be seen between platforms, in the various discord servers, and even just in friend groups made up of tulpamancers and tulpas.

The largest tulpamancy discord currently still active is best described as center-right leaning with some notable left leaning community members. In the past it was very much a farther right leaning discord and back then and now it has ties to tulpamancy's 4chan origins, while other discords which usually lean more to the left have their origins stemming from the r/tulpas subreddit and it's history. It's all so fascinating to me. Despite that however it's basically all unknown information to anyone discussing us and our practice and community on this platform, including faces like Sophie which most associate tulpas with here.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Ngl I was kind of hoping she was like an awkward mythical boogeyman that everyone knew of but pointedly ignored

But I guess "pretty much unknown" is good too

Astra: Yeah sorry to disappoint but we only ever heard about her in the short lived syscourse thread of the now dead redditulpas discord server which only had a handful of people and most of them imports from the plural community lol. We've seen her on r/tulpas too but she wasn't anymore known than any other poster there. Cambrian Crew actually has a much more pervasive presence across the tulpamancy community.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

One thing I'm dying to know!! Is she well-known in the wider community?

No, in fact we have seen her name mentioned maybe three times maximum without us starting the conversation. Sophie is almost entirely a product of the plural community, the tulpamancy community basically doesn't know of her at all.

It's also worth noting those three instances were in a server with plural community bleedover. On average tulpamancers usually try to keep to themselves and away from the wider plural community for various reasons ranging from political differences to concerns of how some concepts may not be 100% compatible. The largest space where we intersect is redditulpas but reddit isn't a good community space compared to say, discord. It's more of a center square and gateway. We'll discuss it more in the main post since it's important context a lot of people here don't have on the tulpamancy community for better or worse.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

So Sophie finally lost all of her marbles huh? Maybe it's finally time we talk about how horrifically disconnected she actually is from the real tulpamancy community. Believe it or not but despite all of her increasingly fanatical and ungrounded rants and stunts related to tulpamancy, she isn't as in tune with the tulpamancy community as she thinks she is.

Post coming soon, roughly a week or two. We've sat back and watched an account we used to really respect spiral out of control and misrepresent us for too long. Her reach is almost entirely contained to plural tumblr, a place which is far from the actual tulpamancy community besides the occasional redditulpas crossover. It's about time a tulpa system that mainly interacts with other tulpa systems said something.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

It's nice to see this place is still as much of a dumpster fire as it was the day we left.

[discourse-by-candlelight]

I'm the one who emailed Colin Ross

My story is becoming a bit of a jumbled mess of history, so here's a reminder

I went to Ross to talk about his paper from the 80s, where he talked about people with multiple personalities, or endogenic multiples, his words, without dysfunction and abuse histories.

And I said, "Surely, Doctor Ross, you're not talking about these filthy endos, right? You meant TRAUMA histories-- expanding the list of typical types of abuse that cause DID? Important DID history, right?"

And he basically responded with, "I said what I said, no abuse OR trauma histories. It's actually kind of common. What's the big deal? DID is caused by trauma, but that's not the only way."

Now, keep in mind, I told him EVERYTHING. About tumblr, Twitter, syscourse, both sides' talking points. I didn't hold back.

And I didn't hold back in my disdain for the endogenic community, either. Remember what I was posting two or three years ago.

And I held on to that conversation for YEARS while I continued to talk to other doctors and researchers-- Clayton, Loewenstein, some less known ones but still doctors, from multiple countries.

Not one denied the possibility or existence of "those horrible fucking endos" that I was so mad about.

Take it or leave it. That's all that happened.

And finally, remember, his eye beam goggles were for a cash prize paranormal contest.

He won an award for worst invention, but not the contest. So sad 😞

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Oh it's that time already. Didn't have anything planned so gonna wing my campaign speech.

Fellow syscoursers, We know that you all may not know us, but we in the Candlelight Society know you. All of your strengths, and all of your flaws. We have watched Syscourse go in circles but no longer!

If you elect us, we shall bring about a new age of syscourse, by replacing it all with poorly made cosplay and a (possibly expired) Chuck E. Cheese coupon.

Together, we can build a mildly tolerable tomorrow

Round 1 Side A: Many VS Candles

Get your votes in for either @many-but-one or @discourse-by-candlelight! Below the cut are submission info for these two participants!

Good luck and happy voting!

Reminder: These polls are completely subjective. However you define a "better" syscourser, that's how you should vote!

Whoever submitted many-but-one left a lovely message about them for why they were nominated!

many-but-one, he has an empathetic view of syscourse and i appreciate that he views people on both sides of syscourse as people. mostly trying to spread kindness rather than hatred if that makes sense?

Meanwhile, discourse-by-candlelight was one of the few systems I contacted directly via discord, as I know them myself. I quite enjoy their company and I'm thrilled to see them up against another system who I know and like!!

May the best of syscourse win!

[discourse-by-candlelight]

Astra: You're welcome and good to know! I'll reblog this on both of our most active blogs just to be sure it's well seen. Sorry again that you all have been dragged into this mess. Whoever is running system-facts is an asshole. Take care of yourselves, and don't let this prick ruin your day 💙

Hello, I'm Astra from the Candlelight Society. I wanted to reach out in the case that @system-facts is the blog of one of the alters in your system.

If he is not: I'm sorry for the wave of criticism that is likely coming your way from him being a troll and directing people towards you, take care of yourselves. I don't know why you would be the specific target but this person is either in need of serious help or a truly pathetic troll. Don't let it get to you. Feel free to reach out.

If he is: I'm sorry that he has dragged you all into this position, but he is causing real harm and problems for multiple people. Whatever the case is that has made him do these things, please make him stop and prevent him from doing these things again. I'm not particularly affected by being fakeclaimed, but that isn't the case for many on Tumblr. I'll also apologize for any messages that may cause a negative effect on you that I said towards him, even if I still think they were justified. Feel free to reach out if you need to talk 💙

Hello. I am not natasha / the princess, I am Alaska, but I am also from The Corporate Tower.

We lost Wi-Fi and I’m going off of data from our phone. We seen the tag right before our Wi-Fi went out and couldn’t respond to it so thank you for inboxing this blog and telling us.

We don’t know who the fuck that person is. We don’t even have that url as one of our blogs.

Our only sideblogs for members are our system is me (alaskaintheforest), our boss Natasha (her 18+ personal blog and this one), Syntax (his 18+ blog and dragon of endos), and Supernova (supernovafoxposting).

Yes, a lot of personal info, but we don’t post much important things on those blogs.

Proof just in case. And because we’re paranoid. Censored blogs are 18+ so we didn’t want to reveal them. Corporate creations is our newest blog we made today as a new system member creation blog.

So, listen :

System-facts is NOT one of our blogs as they do not know us, we do not know them, as well as we don’t even have system-facts as a blog.

If you can help reblog this for reach please do. We are not about to get thrown into some shit. We are setting this straight now.

Thank you for providing us an opportunity to reach out to you too. /gen

-Alaska

[discourse-by-candlelight]

You are not an endo, you are a traumagenic system in denial. Loneliness is a common route to trauma. The lockdowns were traumatic. No endo is on your side because you are not one of us. We will never mock your condition because we dont have it, because you are not an endo. We are.

This is the truth. Someone needed to say it without pulling the punch, and so I will. -Astra

what do you think of systems formed for non-negative reasons, such as those that just formed, systems that formed from daydreaming, or otherwise non-stressgenic systems?

Systems don’t form “just because.” If a system formed for non-negative reasons, it’s not a system.