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What i want out of the Punisher being in the next Spider-Man movie is Peter swinging past them in a 5 second cameo of Matt and Frank on some roof having a heated debate about the trolley problem.

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thinking about the fact that Frank is literally the kind of friend where Billy said he wants to go beat up the man who tried to sexually assault him when he was a child and Frank went with him no questions asked

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something i love about kastle fics is that they take a time out of Karen's pov to point out when Frank's face ISN'T scraped or bruised or otherwise messed up as a shorthand for him doing well

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and what if I say Rusted By The Rain by billy talent has incredible frank castle vibes

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that one deborah ann woll interview talking about krysten ritter coming back in born again and she's like "yeah i'm super excited I never get to interact with women" CLOCK ITTT

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thinking about Karen "it was nice when you thought of me as innocent"/always trying so hard to be deserving of love Page and Frank "my wife wouldn't just break my heart, she would stomp on that shit and feed it to the dog and it was great and I miss her" Castle. Karen deserves that level of freak at her disposal.

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tbh with all this talk about the restaurant scene and whatnot, my biggest concern isn't whether Karen/Matt is going to happen, my biggest concern is that this love triangle is going to be all they give Karen to do because so far, that's all I'm hearing about.

If you look at the way they wrote Heather and Kirsten in season 1 and the way they wrote Karen out of the season and the way they wrote Vanessa Fisk, they really don't have a good track record for writing women (in a franchise that already has a bit of a history there - and tbh i think Born Again is by far the weakest installment in the Daredevil MCU adaptation).

Like, I can accept Matt/Karen if it's a well-told story that REALLY gets into everything that happened between them in a believable fashion, what I can't stomach is a pale cardboard-clone of Karen wearing her face and only reacting to whatever action- stuff the male characters get up to, kissing their boo-boos, and being the hand-wringing widow at home.

that's my primary worry. Especially since the way they dealt with Foggy suggests to me a lack of understanding of what made the original show popular and interesting to begin with.

Also the lack of any explanation or even exploration of why Karen would go to SF, which seems so out of character and random but they didn't even feel the need to come up with an explanation for it - which also suggests to me not understanding her character and not even feeling bad for NOT understanding such a central character.

Just please tell me that Karen gets something interesting to do next season.

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this is all based on what I've heard/read about the whole thing from other people but. the fact that in the comics, they replaced Frank with a different version of the Punisher bc of the...known uh problems with certain fans (cough)(allegedly). literally I'm sure that's the last part of the fandom to give any kind of shit about Frank Castle The Human Being. They just want a white guy shooting people and blowing shit up.

You want to get rid of these guys, literally the only thing Marvel would have had to do was to go for anything other than a straight white man and they would have boycotted the Punisher franchise as a whole, loudly and immediately. They would have made angry youtube videos about it and everything. It would have been so easy to get rid of them if you actually committed.

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Daredevil S02E03 / War and Peace Vol. 2, Part 2, Chapter XI (+ Vol. 1, Part 3, Chapter XIX)

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hahha. thinking about the fact that Frank was literally shot through the fucking brain. like that happened. he was shot in the head. and in a coma. while his family was getting buried and his entire life was gone he was in a coma. Because he got shot in the brain. He's in a coma and the people coming to see him have suits and earpieces and want to kill him. They killed his family, they shot him in the head and he's a coma in a public hospital and they fake a DNR to kill him.

Except he survived...somehow and went home. How much did he remember in that state. Did he not remember the day at the carousel at all and instinctively run home to the place he felt safe? When they pulled the plug on him, he was in a coma, it's not like he knew what they were trying to do - he just woke up and his instinct was to grab someone and tell him to take him home. Or did he remember flashes, images, did he remember what he describes to Matt later, the cosntant visions of his family, of his children riddled with bullets. Or did the constant cycle in his head start the moment he woke up. And he needed to get home to verify that it isn't true, that this is some weird twisted nightmare vision he had in the coma, some fucked up intrusive thought. Or did he know what he would find. Mountains of wilted flowers and the house is empty and dust everywhere and he's alone. And he's been shot in the head. He has brain damage and he's been in a coma and he's having some of the worst trauma a person can have. He literally died and woke up in hell. And he's alone.

And we know he has memory issues when it comes to his family (not to mention he was back for 1 day! 1 day!) and its affecting his emotions (and i refuse to believe that it's all that happens to you when you get shot in the fucking frontal lobe, like i need this explored, dude got shot in the head) - but it seems that everything related to his combat abilities, his tactical understanding, his knowledge of weapons and warfare and recon and guerrilla tactics is unaffected. And if you're alone and you're in hell and everything is fractured to shit except THAT...I mean, where does that lead your thoughts. Where does that lead you to think your purpose lies. you know. I'm thinking about that.

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Thailand legalising weed for the entire country all at once, was lowkey such a funny event because literally everyone went crazy with it. They were putting weed in everything, man, we had weed fried chicken, weed omelette, weed soda, weed lotion, weed popcorn, tempura weed, it was insane. They were putting weed in fucking everything they could think of even shit that you're not eating, they were putting marijuana in like lipbalm.

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i need many things from ddba season 2. but primarily i need them to find an excuse to put Karen in a tank top. respectfully.

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listen the whole 'Frank getting a hair cut for Karen' - tbh on the one hand I really like the idea that he just did it as a sweet little human moment, that he wanted to look good for her. Even if it's as a bit in the show, it's really humanising thing for Frank Castle, the Punisher to give a damn about - looking good for Karen.

On the other hand, I also play with the idea that he did it because he didn't want her to see that he wasn't doing well (we know he isn't, even if we don't entirely know what's going on). Not to play aloof or strong but so she wouldn't feel bad or conflicted about going to SF because with Fisk taking over and the history they have (how much of the details does Frank know at this point? I'm pretty sure the events of season 3 must have come up between them at some point), she has a giant target on her back and we know how terrified Frank is of something happening to her. We also know that both of these idiots come running when the other is struggling.

So from Frank's perspective, he's probably quite glad that she left for the other side of the continent after Foggy's death where she's off Fisk's direct radar. His thought process might have been 'if she's coming over to check on Matt, that's bad enough, and she might even stay to fight Fisk but I won't risk her staying for my sake because she thinks I'm not doing well."

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I also think people need to consider the difference in mediums:

The comics are designed to go on forever + and that's why they need stories that can't be resolved. That's how superheroes end up with the endless cycle of fridged girlfriends/wives and why every nation the x-men start for mutants gets destroyed eventually and why no one stays dead: In comics, the story can never end. In the comics, giving Frank a romantic storyline could never be the final end of his storyline.

TV-shows and live action actors cannot go on forever. They need to come to a satisfying conclusion for the characters we've come to care about. So they actually need to be able to undergo permanent developments for that. So saying "Frank Castle falling in love/quitting as the Punisher would be a bad adaption" - ignores the fact that an adaption actually has to adapt.

And I would argue that this is especially true for Frank because unlike the Defenders, he occupies a much darker role - he's not a superhero. He also doesn't have a life to fall back on the way Matt or Danny or Jessica do (I think it's a bit more complicated with Luke with how famous he is and the way season 2 ended but I hope we find out what he's up to)

What Frank does involves using his entire self as a weapon. Even the old show frequently raised the question of "what comes after?" - Karen said it, Madani wanted a new life for him, David Liebermann wanted him to find something, Amy almost immediately made a comment about how his way of life isn't sustainable. It's something the show has discussed for a long time - and I think that adapting a story that cannot have an end (comics) into a format where it's got to have an end (TV) is an opportunity to ask new questions about a character and to do new things.

"kastle shippers who think Frank could get a happy ending don't understand the character"

Sigh. I remember after DD s2 when it was "kastle shippers who think there's anything between Frank and Karen don't understand the character at all. His heart died with his family. He can never have romantic feelings for another woman after Maria"...

And yet, here we are 3 shows and 9 years later and Frank Castle canonically has romantic feelings for Karen Page. LOL

What's so difficult to understand about the fact that mcu/netflix Frank is a different iteration of the character and so doesn't necessarily have to have the same fate as his comicbook version?

No one's expecting Frank and Karen to ride off into the sunset or relocate to the countryside to live on a farm. But if you don't see how Karen was framed as a possible potential "after" for Frank, then maybe you weren't paying attention.

Frank is older, weaker, using pills for his pain and for the first time in Frank Castle history, he's fallen hard for someone after Maria (please don't mention him & Elektra in the comics, it was hot but not the same or close). Everything about him having romantic feelings for someone post tragedy is new. It's never happened before with any other version of Frank, comics or screen. There's no benchmark to hold it to. So quite literally, anything could happen. It just depends on what the show runner decides to do. The character has to be retired at some point and they're not killing him off. He can't remain static forever, that works for comicbooks, not for tv. There's also only so many times they can have him reject Karen and choose war over her. Been there, done that. Next.

Does all this mean they'll definitely end up together? No. But it means that it's a very real possibility for the first time ever for a version of Frank (if the writers are bold enough to take on something so complex and challenging as opposed to going the safer simpler route, and if they'll be given the time to do so; a kastle endgame would require more seasons). And kastle fans aren't wrong or misunderstanding Frank's character by wanting or hoping he and Karen do end up together somehow in the frigging mcu.