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intersexism is @/certifiedsexed saying that all cis intersex people are TME by nature of being cis, then mass-deleting and blocking all intersex commenters who say that's an oversimplification!

this is intersexism.

intersex people aren't seen as cis by society. we are never seen as our actual genders.

we're "cis, just disordered" only when we're trying to escape the box we were sorted in. only when they need to force "corrective" interventions on us. or when we don't identify as cis. or when we are vocal about being intersex. only when we reject the binaries. then we are "totally cis."

but when intersex people actually use label cis (or identify with their current assigned gender)? they're not cis at all. they are transvestigated. they are doubted. they are harassed. they're "not really" their gender. they're "not enough" of their gender. they're invaders, they're "chromosomes," they "doesn't really count."

look at "he-she." look at "XX spaces only." look at gender reassignments later in life. when doctors and society just decide that it's easier to force the intersex person in the different box. typical pericis experience. /sarcasm

look at actual living experiences of cis intersex people.

i have several asks on this topic, so there will be follow-ups.

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kind of do think that acronyms can make people more likely to try and simplify situations to fit those acronyms perfectly - but this is just casual observation , not like super deep psychology .

will be honest that do object to broad application of TME/TMA labels regardless , and that this kind of oversimplification is realistically part of why .

but did not even say that much ! all which say in answer to that post was that this was massive oversimplification of intersex experiences .

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personally , do not really like to label as cis or trans , nor disclose things such as AGAB or details of upbringing . but even if put aside recently notable cases like imane khelif , this is also just ridiculous from any sort of viewpoint that is both cis and trans , or generally cis in non-perisex ways .

as intersex bigender man-woman , absolutely do get hit with same kinds of bullshit that perisex trans women do - that womanhood is just farce , just something which make up in order to invade women's spaces , invalid and impure because dare to be man as well .

and honestly , while personally less frequent , also get hit with inversions - that manhood is just farce , just something which make up in order to invade men's spaces , invalid and impure because dare to be woman as well !

for all anyone know , might consider both of these genders equally cis due to inconsistent upbringing - and would not be fair for anyone to argue that this can not be accurate , because come from different frameworks when perisex and intersex .

to say this so confidently and brazenly is just wrong on so many counts .

lol imagine getting called on being intersexism by intersex ppl. and blocking ppl over it instead of asking questions or clarifications. because obviously theyre transmisogynistic. like dog youre not helping your case.

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will be honest that do object to broad application of TME/TMA labels regardless , and that this kind of oversimplification is realistically part of why .

but did not even say that much ! all which say in answer to that post was that this was massive oversimplification of intersex experiences .

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forms of bigotry and oppression can be muddy and hard to very definitively clearly cut as is .

for one example , abled people with temporary injuries can run up against problems of ableist society . no , this do not mean primary target , but have right to speak on those experiences as facets of ableism .

for another example , take someone who do not use standard forms of local language , whether that is result of disability , dialect , or simply not first language . in settings where race is not inherently visible , such as online , people can and will be racist and xenophobic - even if white . no , this do not mean primary target , but have right to speak on those experiences as facets of racism and xenophobia .

this get , frankly , even more complex with bigotry and oppression based in expectations of gender and sex . people do not ask to know what gender or sex " really " is before hit with cruelty : will simply choose to do so . there is massive overlap between these areas , and many experiences which share in common , even if not all .

absolutely foolish and lack in intersex knowledge to say something as brazen as " cis intersex people exempt from transmisogyny " , as if intersex body is not already factor which massively complicate relationship to gender , labels , and societal expectations . when perisex oppressors know of intersex identity and experience - whether or not understand to be intersex - that is what come first , regardless if identify as cisgender .

certifiedsexed is intersexist coward who hide intersex comments , let that be known .

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personally do kind of think that label of trans should be open for anyone to label experiences as such if that actually feel right in some way , even if not really line up with expectations . but do feel kind of backwards , for perisex people especially , to attach AGAB to this as label - or to make new " AGABless " labels , for that matter .

but like . yeah :

different cultures and places have different standards of what make masculinity and femininity - to say nothing of how white western standards might run over and directly conflict .

and even now , queer experiences with gender still under scrutiny , even as pericis gay man - let alone if gender is more complex , tie into femininity , step outside binary , or just more explicitly explore queer forms of masculinity .

not all experiences will necessitate same outcomes and same solutions , and that is not wrong to acknowledge . but do think that even if one is comfortable within same gender category , aspects of that category may still change , shift , and feel completely different from start of life .

if that kind of personal experience feel best to discuss with trans language , self-label as trans in some fashion , or find kinship with trans people more than cis ones , think honestly fair enough to do so - and just as much fair to not . just do not misuse intersex language to get there , either way .

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not to say that assignment is never useful to talk about at all , just frustrate how much these terms can dominate discussions where really have no place . gah .

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personally - both .

I just want to double check something since I've been hearing some mixed things on this matter.

Please do not answer this if you're not intersex. There's an option for you.

Please also share this poll. I want as many responses as possible.

Tagging people who might want to see/answer this poll: @status-quo-hater @intersexcat-tboy (dm me if you don't want to be tagged)

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tough question , but right now lean on side of no . honestly dubious enough on feelings towards intersex usage , though understand why might appeal . just think , at this point , that AGAB ought to not be common usage terms at all regardless .

I just want to double check something since I've been hearing some mixed things on this matter.

Please do not answer this if you're not intersex. There's an option for you.

Please also share this poll. I want as many responses as possible.

Tagging people who might want to see/answer this poll: @status-quo-hater @intersexcat-tboy (dm me if you don't want to be tagged)

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i’m so sorry if this seems mean but even if she apologized, i don’t forgive fleshengine

“but she apologized 🥺 👉👈” i don’t care!! she still harbored an audience that thinks it’s ok to send intersex people LITERAL CSAM as long as they’re a “whiny TME theyfab” it still thinks that the h slur isn’t REALLY a slur, and even if it is one, it’s for transfems, obviously!!

oh you’re sorry that one of your followers sent someone violent CSAM and said that it should happen to them? how noble and intersex ally of you!!/s

i don’t care. she’s still a raging intersexist and i don’t think that’s gonna change anytime soon.

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mhm . so much experience with ideas that either manhood taint womanhood , or womanhood invalidate manhood , so either way just fake and invader who deserve no spaces .

transandrophobes literally cannot conceive of a bigender person without their brains frying like eggs on a skillet. skill issue

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" tme or tma ? " pick one .

" transmasc or transfem ? " pick one .

" amab or afab ? " pick one .

would come up with reasons to not listen either way , so why bother ask ? live with some mystery .

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why call other people " male-aligned intersex " or " female-aligned intersex " when might as well just slap big old " intersexist " sticker on forehead ?

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plural , intersex . as things stand right now , intersex is term of position in society because of how bodily traits develop , not just description of those bodily traits - position which fundamentally do not have same perspective on if not collectively intersex here and now .

therefore , would be very hesitant with such descriptions . for private record use if necessary , fine , private record shorthand is private record shorthand . public is where become more wary , especially due to how often people misunderstand and misrepresent what intersex even means .

however , even where understand correctly , still hesitant because of pattern where younger and less-responsible collectives sometimes use in-world traits and identities to speak on external issues which do not and can not have accurate perspective on .

this is not exclusive to intersexuality - do honestly see similar problems with race and disability - but still something to be very mindful about .

( clarification : assume this is about those individual members self-refer as intersex . if this is about whole collective adopt label of intersex due to one person , fuck no . )

Anti endos this is not a poll for you, thank you.

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if you are trans and lie or encourage trans people to lie about being intersex for "safety" then you don't believe that intersexism is real.

that's what's happening whether you want to acknowledge that or not. you are trying to claim intersexuality because you believe we are safe, you believe we do not experience violence. if you believed we experience violence you would not believe we are safer than trans people.

intersex people experience exceptionally high rates of assault. anyone who would hurt you for being trans will also hurt you for being intersex. you are not getting out of violence. claiming you are intersex will improve the situation 0% of the time, you are just lying about being a minority.

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... what ? no ? intersex people can be cis , trans , both , or neither . cis and trans describe relationship to gender which authority figures and society impose in life , not AGAB / ASAB necessarily - just so happen that for most perisex people , these elements line up with one another .

can not define transness by genitals , nor by perisex experiences with AGAB / ASAB - both of these hurt intersex people and take away agency in identity .

intersex is umbrella term for number of variations and traits , but there is still no such thing as brain intersex which make people trans , and even if there was , there would be no good outcomes if someone did find and confirm this .

Is it possible there's an invisible intersex condition in all trans people.....? I know intersex people usually often end up dysphoric if they're forced the wrong way, so its prolly not completely out of the question.

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Once again I'm telling people to stop saying trans people are "brain intersex" or that there's a physical thing In Your Brain that Makes Someone Trans

You do realize that even if that were true, it would only turn out badly for trans people (and intersex people) as a whole?

You do realize that then trans people without this "brain variation" would be denied their trans status, right? It would be used to deny them medical care and used by transmeds to invalidate people's genders. You'd have to get a diagnosis to be trans.

Not only that but then being trans would be pathologized. They'd start calling it a disorder and the "treatment" for that disorder might not be pleasant.

The world that we live in isn't good, especially to trans and intersex people. Do you really think that trans people being labeled "brain intersex" would turn out well for literally anyone?

This is the same as that wave of people claiming there was some genetic marker for being gay a while back.

This would only be used against us!

STOP