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Just adding to this but I’ve seen some people on various platforms say no she’s just added herself and her dad to 616 so it’s not impacting Spider-Man so it’s slightly better, but like that still does? Like ok so og Gwen and captain Stacy still died but that just means Peter’s and everyone else has been dealing with an extended clone conspiracy for a decade like Gwen being a totally coincidental doppleganger of og Gwen with a doppleganger of her dad is equally messy and complicating for spider man mythos just for the last ten years instead of fifty. Like this totally changes the dynamic Gwen would have with everyone because rather than just like acknowledging each other as spider people first over their secret identity with some clashing in the aforementioned clone conspiracy Peter’s going to have spent a decade telling everyone she’s a clone of Gwen Stacy and not to trust her and either Gwen’s friends’ll be around too so more “clones” or it confirms they’re all gone for good.

Like if it was just Gwen he’d probably eventually move past it but it’s her dad too, nothing would be able to convince Peter and probably MJ that they aren’t some plan of the Jackal’s, and people might not like him all the time but Spidey’s still one of the most respected people in the hero community. If he told people “hey this girl with spider powers identical to mine and that shares a name and appearance and her father shares a name and appearance with my two biggest failures since becoming a hero and I have a villain who literally only clones me and her and does nothing else with his time so she’s probably some trap.” People’ll listen to that.

Like the more I think about this the more significant a fuck up it is, and none of this is going to be acknowledged because we know the main book’s too busy dealing with gwenpoolverine. Like even just doing some bullshit oh Gwen had a younger sister named something else you can derive Gwen from now meaning Gwen now had to deal with a dead dad as a consequence of rewriting reality not only works better but gives her consequences the team would actually have to deal with in the book since it’s become clear nobody cares about earth 65 outside of her dad anymore so the loss of her old reality doesn’t matter.

I have to admit what marvel comics is doing with Spider-Gwen is at the very least batshit insane enough that it’s more interesting than the past 5 years of her and decade of 616 Gwen but there’s no way on hell they’re actually gonna use it for anything more than completely deleting earth 65 which sucks. Like it’s the sort of thing that should be a consequence of some massive event so the impact of it can be properly shown. Like this should’ve had a build up of devil’s reign size minimum where the impacts of stuff the differences between 65 and 616 actually have an impact or at the very least the culmination of several years of story telling and not just a painfully obvious attempt to sell a new relaunch and finally finish the deletion of earth 65 they’ve been doing for years.

Like Gwen doesn’t get anything out of being suddenly made a 616 native, her supporting cast no longer exists, her villains no longer exist, depending on how the changes actually manifest her friends on 616 don’t know her anymore. And this is without going into the impact of the Stacy’s being alive again on so many of the spider-man characters, like Peter and MJ would be significantly different people and have a different relationship without Gwen’s death, Captain Stacy’s death was a significant moment for Peter as Spider-Man. Not to mention that Peter’s death and the impact on May and Ben was a big thing for early Gwen on earth 65.

Like I know the impact doing this sort of shit has because I spent ages agonising over every little detail when I wrote a fic about it! And nothing in the announcement or how Gwen’s been treated (either Gwen) for the past decade indicates that the current teams at Marvel care about any of this. Like sure this could be an interesting mix up for Spider-Gwen even though she’s been treated as a 616 native for ages now and the real mix up would be returning to 65 but nothing actually seems to indicate that it will be and the fact that og 616 Gwen is currently running around as a deadpool/wolverine thing I don’t think anyone cares past finally shucking off the dregs of 65.

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I have to admit what marvel comics is doing with Spider-Gwen is at the very least batshit insane enough that it’s more interesting than the past 5 years of her and decade of 616 Gwen but there’s no way on hell they’re actually gonna use it for anything more than completely deleting earth 65 which sucks. Like it’s the sort of thing that should be a consequence of some massive event so the impact of it can be properly shown. Like this should’ve had a build up of devil’s reign size minimum where the impacts of stuff the differences between 65 and 616 actually have an impact or at the very least the culmination of several years of story telling and not just a painfully obvious attempt to sell a new relaunch and finally finish the deletion of earth 65 they’ve been doing for years.

Like Gwen doesn’t get anything out of being suddenly made a 616 native, her supporting cast no longer exists, her villains no longer exist, depending on how the changes actually manifest her friends on 616 don’t know her anymore. And this is without going into the impact of the Stacy’s being alive again on so many of the spider-man characters, like Peter and MJ would be significantly different people and have a different relationship without Gwen’s death, Captain Stacy’s death was a significant moment for Peter as Spider-Man. Not to mention that Peter’s death and the impact on May and Ben was a big thing for early Gwen on earth 65.

Like I know the impact doing this sort of shit has because I spent ages agonising over every little detail when I wrote a fic about it! And nothing in the announcement or how Gwen’s been treated (either Gwen) for the past decade indicates that the current teams at Marvel care about any of this. Like sure this could be an interesting mix up for Spider-Gwen even though she’s been treated as a 616 native for ages now and the real mix up would be returning to 65 but nothing actually seems to indicate that it will be and the fact that og 616 Gwen is currently running around as a deadpool/wolverine thing I don’t think anyone cares past finally shucking off the dregs of 65.

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they're kissing again....

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HUGS WHITEROSE

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So after mulling it over I think there’s 4 main timelines the characters in GQuuuuuuX are from, there’s Lalah’s where Char died the first time instead of her, then there’s also Shuji’s because I don’t think they both start in the same place, I think he’s from one of the repeats and managed to survive when the universe reset because we know from GQ Lalah that Char at least once was killed by Amuro so that’s assumedly the first one and there seems to be a lack of recognition from Lalah for Shuji. Then there’s also the CCA adjacent timeline where Lalah was killed in the elmeth and the pieces of what I’m pretty sure are the Sazabi and Nu Gundam that are used in the GQuuuuuuX and GFred came from which is how Amuro’s spirit appeared and finally the GQuuuuuuX timeline.

Plus I guess the other five repeats we see from the alternate mobile suits Char used, assuming Shuji’s from one of the shown repeats and not another 7th one. Which like isn’t “more times than I can count” but I think watching someone you care about 6 times even is enough to qualify as feeling like that if not actually being true.

Why is this important? Because I like organising things and also the fact of the CCA timeline being introduced at the very end is interesting. Like it’s what people were thinking when the elmeth first showed up that it would connect back to og gundam’s timeline but then it became clear it was just another splinter so to directly reconnect at the end is interesting, at least to me it is. Especially because we know now that previous timelines still exist because that’s assumedly where Lalah and Shuji returned to. So they could’ve just done the og timeline and left out the line about the Gundam killing Lalah but they chose not to.

Which intrigues me just like how the total unwillingness to show Amuro in the GQuuuuuuX or Lalah timelines does or just seeing enough Sayla to not know if she’s getting a choice in what’s she’s doing or if she’s doing it because other people want her to. Like does she want to rule Zeon? Or is she doing it out of compulsion/responsibility? like going by the themes of the show it’s the first one but we don’t know enough about GQuuuuuuX Sayla to know that so it just as much could be the second. And I saw one thing claiming that production staff said at one point GQX Lalah’s appearance on earth was going to be Sayla which makes it all even stranger and more interesting.

Like there’s very clearly a lot of ideas for Sayla in this timeline the show just doesn’t seem to want to show them.

I dunno how I got here from measuring out the timelines in GQuuuuuuX.

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Yeah, no the more I think about it the more confident I am, Machu definitely pulled the ultimate bisexual power move of confessing to a boy and a girl in the space of ten minutes.

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This might totally insane and I might just need to rewatch the whole show but the more I think about GQuuuuuuX as a whole piece, the less I think Nyaan had feelings for Shuji or at the very least had feelings for Shuji that paled in comparison to her feelings for Machu.

Now back when it’s first got revealed it was understandably a bit of a WTF moment but it was also after we find out that Machu has come to Nyaan begging for her to help save Shuji. Id also argue that it’s set up to be seen as romantic because of Machu’s reversal of Nyaan asking her if she loves Shuji more than anything Nyaan’s shown herself and we know now that the show is very careful with how it has Nyaan reacting to things and her entire character arc is learning to reach for what she wants and learning she has an inherent value and doesn’t need to justify her existence, that’s part of why Zeon was bad for her, sure she was this prized orphan but she still needed to either use the yogman’tho or get a degree for citizenship, she didn’t have inherent value for being a person. And her arc is about discovering that no she is equal to Machu m So it’d be strange for her to suddenly be capable of reaching for what she wants with Shuji in ep 7 without any of her arc and then regressing back, like she couldn’t express her wants before that either ep 7 is an extreme outlier. Same with why she wanted and was so excited to see the Kira Kira she felt lesser and seperate from Machu and Shuji because she hadn’t experienced it, even though Machu and Shuji didn’t see her that way. That’s how she felt which is why she feels bad when Machu freaks, she sees it as trying to be their equal upsets them. Its why the scene of Machu telling her she never did anything wrong and asking her to be her MAV is so important, she’s telling Nyaan that no she shouldn’t have felt bad for “taking the Kira Kira” or “losing” Shuji or even firing yogman’tho and that they were equals. That’s the summit of Nyaan’s arc.

But feelings for Shuji don’t fit into it. Shuji, other than being Machu’s other closest person and the person Nyaan failed to save isn’t relevant to Nyaan’s arc. He is in relation to Nyaan as people keep saying a plot device. Her need to see Shuji doesn’t start until she’s tasked by Machu to save him and then when she fails that she runs away, wistfully looks into the stars for Machu and tries to save Shuji so all three can reunite to complete a promise she’s surprised Machu even remembers and I’m pretty confident that reuniting with Shuji isn’t the part Nyaan assumed Machu would forget.

You could swap Shuji out for the red Gundam and almost nothing would change with Nyaan. Whereas with Machu, Shuji’s wants and needs as a character are central Shuji’s motivation to go to earth strengthens Machu’s, Shuji’s search for the rose becomes Machu’s, Machu defends Lalah because of what she’s learn from the Lalah’s and Shuji, she finally learns how to talk to Nyaan without barriers because of Shuji, her understanding of Shuji is the thing that saves the day. Now with this sort of contrast between “romantic options” you’d expect the show to at some point comment on it and sure there’s a line about what Shuji would want in response to Nyaan using yogman’tho but as we learn in ep 12 the reason Nyaan wants Shuji back is so they can all be together again. Not because she has special feelings for him. In fact after ep 7 the idea of Nyaan having any romantic feelings for him is never brought up again, just that she wants to save him which explains the sudden outburst in ep 7. Nyaan’s desperate and trying to get Shuji to leave with her without the RX-78-02 or the GQuuuuuuX so she can do what Machu asked of her, the thing that she “failed” and feels the need to be forgiven for at the emotional climax of both her arc and the show. Whereas if she wanted to save Shuji for herself why would she need absolution from Machu? Like sure you can’t give absolution to yourself but the show explicitly shows her receiving it from Machu, she tells Machu no she let everyone down, she did something terrible and Machu goes no that just means you survived alone but we can be together now (rough paraphrasing) and that’s the happiest Nyaan ever gets in this entire show.

Machu telling her that they’re equal and can be together is the emotional climax for her and the happiest Nyaan ever gets. That’s kinda gay if you ask me, and that’s my point Nyaan’s feelings aren’t for Shuji they’re for Machu. Nyaan doesn’t want to save Shuji so they can be happy, she wants to save Shuji so Machu’ll be happy and she can be there with them. Nyaan doesn’t acknowledge her own wants and needs throughout the show, they’re always secondary she doesn’t have any wants to share with the delivery driver, she doesn’t want to go to university but she’s told she has to anyway, she didn’t want to do her job or even talk to Shuji but that didn’t matter. It’s why she’s so messed up over Machu being upset at her and is all stone cold when she asks if Machu loves Shuji. She wants so badly to at the very least be by Machu and Shuji’s side to see them happy that her own feelings don’t matter as long as she can see Machu happy. Which is why Machu finally to her face telling her they’re equals and going to be together is the happiest she gets, she doesn’t care about Shuji romantically and even if she does it’s minor compared to just continuing to be by Machu and his side.

Like the best example of Nyaan not seeing Shuji any different to Machu is the line about cooking dinner, Xavier asks her if she can have some of the food she coooked and her response is basically no cause I’m not your girlfriend but who does Nyaan want to cook with? Machu and Shuji. So based on that combination of lines plus everything else Nyaan either has romantic feelings for both Shuji and Machu or she has a spark of attraction with Shuji and an inferno for Machu.

But also like I said at the start I might just have to rewatch the show.

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I couldn’t stop thinking about this so I sketched out a timeline just to see how easily it could be argued they still interact at some point… and that made it worse. It lines up. there’s no reason that Amuro and Sayla wouldn’t have met and it’s actually possible Amuro could’ve been her fucking mechanic on her Lightcannon. Cause if Tem helped develop them then Amuro would be around them and if the Federation was losing even worse it’s unlikely they would’ve had more qualms about using child soldiers let alone child mechanics and there’s only about a year between Sayla and Amuro.

So yeah… that’s a thing that’ll probably happen someday. Because it’s tingling at the back of my head and I’ll need to get it out eventually.

Ngl that ep has given me Sayla/Amuro fic ideas set in the GQuuuuuuX universe… I don’t got time for this man.

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Ngl that ep has given me Sayla/Amuro fic ideas set in the GQuuuuuuX universe… I don’t got time for this man.

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Whooooooooooooo! NyaChu MAV fighting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I was somehow right about Char’s ending!!!!!!! (I don’t know how that happened? Oh and I was right a big chunk of his issues with the Rose was the fact this strange woman was distorting reality for him) and the Lalah stuff!!!!!!

I’ll probs do a longer post later but that was good I enjoyed it. I have thoughts about how much the three of them equate each other to each other in this ep (wink wink nudge nudge at the very least Machu’s taking full advantage of having two hands, there’ll need to be a NyaShu reunion to see if those two do as well) also felt strange how adverse they are to showing Amuro in the GQuuuuuuX timeline, honestly when it became clear Sayla was showing up I was almost expecting to be right about them being together too just so there was a sighting (that being said they still could be, the only person with her was Rambo Ral so who knows, the total absence of Amuro means anything’s possible) similarly it’s a little strange that even though we got the flashes of the alt timelines we don’t get more info on who exactly Shuji is, like this might be copium but a lot of the ending does seem like it’s being left open for a sequel or even just a movie, cause there’s a lot of questions left unanswered. (That being said it still works as an ending just seems like they’re leaving the option more open than say G-Witch did.) oh and another week proving that Nyaan’s whole motivation for the last 5 eps has been guilt over not saving Shuji and messing up Machu’s plan just as much as any feelings for him. Honestly I teared up a little when Nyaan and Machu finally got to talk and Machu was just “no you’re fine you did what you had to.”

I dunno that’s pretty much it for quick fire thoughts.

Oh and that was nice as my first Gundam to watch while it aired.

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One last post before ep 12 but I just needed to quickly get out how in relation to what I assigned each of the main trio in relation to the older generations in this post because their gundams match.

Shuji has the RX 78-02 the og Gundam but recoloured matching how he’s an extension of the old generations and has the same wants and goals

Nyaan is the GFreD a mobile suit that was built and then used by multiple other pilots before suddenly meeting “the one” that spurs it into action and gives it a purpose, represented by the GFreD’s two times actively protecting Nyaan when she’s in danger

Machu has the GQuuuuuuX a prototype that starts off repressed and looking for purpose but slowly comes into it’s own and has a massive amount of untapped potential that it’s kept from accessing until someone else gives it the opportunity

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Being a bleach and persona fan sucks because I can’t watch anything on the internet without reflexively doing the Leonardo DiCaprio meme to the music. Like why is everything bleach and persona music.

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Oh no that’s fine, it’s alright. And yeah like I said at the end I don’t think you’re wrong with a lot of what you’re saying about how the attempted framing of the show is struggling because the response by a lot of fans online is proving your point. My response was mostly because I’d thought there was a misunderstanding between what I’d originally said and what you’d taken away from it and also yeah I understood you weren’t trying to say I was wrong with my analysis or say they couldn’t do what I think they were trying to do. So there’s no need to apologise and yeah like I said especially based off this second response there’s more we agree about than not it just seems clear we have differing tolerance levels for how they’re doing it. In fact I should apologise for implying that you were more critical of my original post than you were, it’s like what I was saying at the end the original post was intended to defend against posts that were a lot more dismissive of gquuuuuux, whereas you have very clear and well thought out criticisms that are actively engaging with what the shows actually trying to do rather than just going “oh turn a said we shouldn’t do this 30 years ago” or “oh gquuuuuux has just degraded into uc slop that consists of keondardo DiCaprio pointing.” So yeah it’s all good and I understand.

Also as a more serious post I keep seeing claims that Gquuuuuux is telling a story about Gundam or is doing “uc slop” or sudden rebuild bullshit in the last five eps but no it’s not. It’s telling a story about two possibly three teenagers proving that they have the right to decide their own destinies and not be bound by what the older generations have decided for them. It’s just that it’s achieving that by using the most iconic parts of Gundam to represent the older generations.

The UC “bullshit” is the culmination of the shows thesis about how the newer generations need to be left free to chart their own paths. Nyaan and Machu represent two ways in which younger people live with this. Nyaan aimlessly floats through life without convictions or passion for what she’s doing, her only wants restricted to her needs while she pines for what she truly wants but is unwilling to grab it until her hand is forced, and Machu is raging against the bonds holding her with no regards to what happens if she breaks free, she just knows she needs to be free becuase that’s worth whatever she’ll lose in the process. And then if I’m right about Shuji (and even if I’m not the earlier stuff with the red Gundam still fits) he’s the total loss of identity outside of the older generations wants and needs he no longer has his own id or ego he’s subsumed by the older generation and mirrors them (like those kids whose parents never made it in sports or whatever but they “totally could’ve” so the kids are forced to push themselves to the brink no matter what they actually want to enable their parents need to vicariously live through them.)

The fight against RX-78 isn’t just them fighting to prove their universe’s inherent right to exist but also the younger generations right to chart their own paths. This is why Challia and Kycilia’s treatment of Nyaan and Machu are so contrasting, Kycilia impose her own values and beliefs on Nyaan and Nyaan fights against them, she used the gun she was given to protect her self to protect someone else finally choosing what she wants rather than floating along. While Challia gave Machu the freedom to do what she felt was necessary and her gun was used to free herself and the Gquuuuuux to not only achieve what they wanted but to reach their full potential with the omega psycommu. It’s the same reason Challia doesn’t want to kill Xavier. he let Xavier go the way he wanted to and do what he felt was necessary and even though they’ve ended up on opposite sides he doesn’t want to take that freedom away from him in death. Whereas Kycilia was fully willing to kill Nyaan as soon as she didn’t align with her beliefs. And I think this is partly why Challia was chosen and written the way he is. He’s not an icon of Gundam like Char, Lalah, Kycilia, Amuro or even the titans. He’s of the og series but isn’t bound by it, it’s why he can straddle the line of being of the older generation but not trying to bind the newer generation to what they decide and be the only one willing to let them have the freedom they deserve.

The RX-78’s appearance is the manifestation and climax of this, the gquuuuuux timeline isn’t doing what it’s supposed to so it must be destroyed. This isn’t a show about Gundam, its not a meta story about Gundam needing to move past the UC timeline, it’s a show using the most iconic example of the old generation that Gundam will ever have to be the final boss in Nyaan and Machu’s journey to prove that they have a right to decide their own destinies. It’s why Beyond the Time works so well at the end of ep 11, it’s not only a callback but a call to arms for Nyaan and Machu to change their destiny and futures and share the happiness that’ll come from being finally, truly free.

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I’m sorry but I think you have a different view as to what the older generation vs the younger to what I’m using it as. With what I’m saying I’m arguing that Gquuuuuux is doing a very broad theme of parents and adults have to let their kids chart their course in life, they can’t be the one to decide it for them. It’s the older generation’s role to support them, which is what I think is at least in part intended by setting this show in UC vs a new timeline. It’s like what I was saying about Challia vs Kycilia, Challia in this show is an example of what the show thinks the older generation should be, a supporting hand that enables the younger generation to make their own path. That’s why it’s as you said hinging importance and appreciating the past isn’t going against the idea.

The bad of the older generation that I believe Gquuuuuux is presenting is those in the older generation refusing to hand over power and forcing the younger generation into the paths they think are right. None of it is trying to say the past must be moved past or escaped from it, it’s specifically the idea of aging people in power exerting excessive control over the new generations. Which I don’t think with something like Gundam could be as well displayed without that old iconography to work off of and represent the older generations.

The og RX-78 is the icon of Gundam. Even when it’s an AU that, as you said remixes the aspects of older shows, there’s still the recognisable aspects of the protagonists’ Gundam that can be linked back to the RX-78. And yes as you said the entire show makes it clear how much everyone involved is enjoying the opportunity to engage with the UC sandbox. And I must also admit I am a fan so I can’t comment on the validity of how well it handles introducing the various UC elements but it does feel to me that at the very least the show has done a good job of communicating the narrative import of the characters when they show up, for example you mention the titans as an egregious example, but I at least believe the importance they’re offered was mostly as a way to further emphasise the rest of the cast rather than them themselves. Additionally I believe that the use of the black tri-stars are an attempt to straddle the line between fan service and accessibility as really they’re in the show to contrast Shiiko as Zeon vets to her fed background more than anything else.

But that’s just my thoughts on the matter. And really I think we agree on more than we don’t, like you clearly think even if you don’t like the direction the shows taking that it is doing it well which is the opposite of what sorts of posts that post was originally in response to. In fact the fact that those posts exist probably proves your point about how competently the show is getting across this message.

Also as a more serious post I keep seeing claims that Gquuuuuux is telling a story about Gundam or is doing “uc slop” or sudden rebuild bullshit in the last five eps but no it’s not. It’s telling a story about two possibly three teenagers proving that they have the right to decide their own destinies and not be bound by what the older generations have decided for them. It’s just that it’s achieving that by using the most iconic parts of Gundam to represent the older generations.

The UC “bullshit” is the culmination of the shows thesis about how the newer generations need to be left free to chart their own paths. Nyaan and Machu represent two ways in which younger people live with this. Nyaan aimlessly floats through life without convictions or passion for what she’s doing, her only wants restricted to her needs while she pines for what she truly wants but is unwilling to grab it until her hand is forced, and Machu is raging against the bonds holding her with no regards to what happens if she breaks free, she just knows she needs to be free becuase that’s worth whatever she’ll lose in the process. And then if I’m right about Shuji (and even if I’m not the earlier stuff with the red Gundam still fits) he’s the total loss of identity outside of the older generations wants and needs he no longer has his own id or ego he’s subsumed by the older generation and mirrors them (like those kids whose parents never made it in sports or whatever but they “totally could’ve” so the kids are forced to push themselves to the brink no matter what they actually want to enable their parents need to vicariously live through them.)

The fight against RX-78 isn’t just them fighting to prove their universe’s inherent right to exist but also the younger generations right to chart their own paths. This is why Challia and Kycilia’s treatment of Nyaan and Machu are so contrasting, Kycilia impose her own values and beliefs on Nyaan and Nyaan fights against them, she used the gun she was given to protect her self to protect someone else finally choosing what she wants rather than floating along. While Challia gave Machu the freedom to do what she felt was necessary and her gun was used to free herself and the Gquuuuuux to not only achieve what they wanted but to reach their full potential with the omega psycommu. It’s the same reason Challia doesn’t want to kill Xavier. he let Xavier go the way he wanted to and do what he felt was necessary and even though they’ve ended up on opposite sides he doesn’t want to take that freedom away from him in death. Whereas Kycilia was fully willing to kill Nyaan as soon as she didn’t align with her beliefs. And I think this is partly why Challia was chosen and written the way he is. He’s not an icon of Gundam like Char, Lalah, Kycilia, Amuro or even the titans. He’s of the og series but isn’t bound by it, it’s why he can straddle the line of being of the older generation but not trying to bind the newer generation to what they decide and be the only one willing to let them have the freedom they deserve.

The RX-78’s appearance is the manifestation and climax of this, the gquuuuuux timeline isn’t doing what it’s supposed to so it must be destroyed. This isn’t a show about Gundam, its not a meta story about Gundam needing to move past the UC timeline, it’s a show using the most iconic example of the old generation that Gundam will ever have to be the final boss in Nyaan and Machu’s journey to prove that they have a right to decide their own destinies. It’s why Beyond the Time works so well at the end of ep 11, it’s not only a callback but a call to arms for Nyaan and Machu to change their destiny and futures and share the happiness that’ll come from being finally, truly free.

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Also as a more serious post I keep seeing claims that Gquuuuuux is telling a story about Gundam or is doing “uc slop” or sudden rebuild bullshit in the last five eps but no it’s not. It’s telling a story about two possibly three teenagers proving that they have the right to decide their own destinies and not be bound by what the older generations have decided for them. It’s just that it’s achieving that by using the most iconic parts of Gundam to represent the older generations.

The UC “bullshit” is the culmination of the shows thesis about how the newer generations need to be left free to chart their own paths. Nyaan and Machu represent two ways in which younger people live with this. Nyaan aimlessly floats through life without convictions or passion for what she’s doing, her only wants restricted to her needs while she pines for what she truly wants but is unwilling to grab it until her hand is forced, and Machu is raging against the bonds holding her with no regards to what happens if she breaks free, she just knows she needs to be free becuase that’s worth whatever she’ll lose in the process. And then if I’m right about Shuji (and even if I’m not the earlier stuff with the red Gundam still fits) he’s the total loss of identity outside of the older generations wants and needs he no longer has his own id or ego he’s subsumed by the older generation and mirrors them (like those kids whose parents never made it in sports or whatever but they “totally could’ve” so the kids are forced to push themselves to the brink no matter what they actually want to enable their parents need to vicariously live through them.)

The fight against RX-78 isn’t just them fighting to prove their universe’s inherent right to exist but also the younger generations right to chart their own paths. This is why Challia and Kycilia’s treatment of Nyaan and Machu are so contrasting, Kycilia impose her own values and beliefs on Nyaan and Nyaan fights against them, she used the gun she was given to protect her self to protect someone else finally choosing what she wants rather than floating along. While Challia gave Machu the freedom to do what she felt was necessary and her gun was used to free herself and the Gquuuuuux to not only achieve what they wanted but to reach their full potential with the omega psycommu. It’s the same reason Challia doesn’t want to kill Xavier. he let Xavier go the way he wanted to and do what he felt was necessary and even though they’ve ended up on opposite sides he doesn’t want to take that freedom away from him in death. Whereas Kycilia was fully willing to kill Nyaan as soon as she didn’t align with her beliefs. And I think this is partly why Challia was chosen and written the way he is. He’s not an icon of Gundam like Char, Lalah, Kycilia, Amuro or even the titans. He’s of the og series but isn’t bound by it, it’s why he can straddle the line of being of the older generation but not trying to bind the newer generation to what they decide and be the only one willing to let them have the freedom they deserve.

The RX-78’s appearance is the manifestation and climax of this, the gquuuuuux timeline isn’t doing what it’s supposed to so it must be destroyed. This isn’t a show about Gundam, its not a meta story about Gundam needing to move past the UC timeline, it’s a show using the most iconic example of the old generation that Gundam will ever have to be the final boss in Nyaan and Machu’s journey to prove that they have a right to decide their own destinies. It’s why Beyond the Time works so well at the end of ep 11, it’s not only a callback but a call to arms for Nyaan and Machu to change their destiny and futures and share the happiness that’ll come from being finally, truly free.

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Because I’m bored here’s my craziest possible ending for gquuuuuux post I talked about on my Lalah one. Also this’ll just be like dot points of things rather than like a plot summary or write-up.

Amuro is piloting the RX-78

Either OS Lalah or OS Shuji will refer to it as Amuro making Haro freak out to confirm a relationship between it and Amuro.

Or Haro will recognise it revealing Haro is also from the other side.

There will be a flash to Gquuuuuux Amuro revealing that that this Amuro is married with Sayla somehow even though they weren’t on white base together, following up on both Sayla’s appearance in ep 9 and what Gquuuuuux Amuro is doing. Just cause I’m embracing insanity with these and they aren’t all gonna happen.

Shuji will be revealed to either be a double of Gquuuuuux Shuji who was actually the Gundam or someone else from the other side who was the Gundam and is now appearing as Shuji to reduce multiversal strain, like the wristwatches in the spiderverse movies.

OS Shuji will take control of the red Gundam from Char, likely after he tries to fight Amuro to set up a 2v2 between the RX-78s and the Gfred and Gqux. But it’s a weak control so Nyaan and Machu are able to beat it reasonably easilyand send it plummeting to earth making the final fight Amuro vs NyaChu for the fate of their universe.

The reason Char wants Lalah gone rather than just destroying the Elmeth is because the idea of someone caring about him like that terrifies him.

Nyaan and Machu will Kira Kira with Shuji while fighting Amuro to seperate OG Shuji from OS Shuji/whichever character is pretending to be Shuji.

Side 6’ll specifically Machu’s mum will get shown to be destroyed because the universe’ll slowly disintegrate the longer NyaChu are fighting before getting restored

In fact Nyaan and Machu’ll get disintegrated before kira-kira-ing with eachother and Lalah or Shuji and forcing themselves back into existence, to beat Amuro symbolising how even if the older generation tries to force the younger one into something they’re not the younger generation will force themselves back because as the song goes you can change our destiny, you can change your future, you can share the happiness.

So yeah that’s a grab bag of different things I think have varying levels of likelihood happening (it’s probably obvious which ones are more jokey and which ones are more serious.)

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