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Girl, are actually believing a troll blog using ai art instead of actual evidence?

Get fucking real dude.

i think courtney sucks and needs to step away from this situation because it is For Sure hurting her mental health. however.

sai tossed her aside because she wasn't staying in line with her opinions. that's the only reason she's keeping britt around because they're both lesbians and never questions her.

britt is gonna be tossed aside the instant she's no longer useful to sai.

I DONT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME AND CALL ME A PEDO BASELESSLY SO IM GONNA BASELESSLY CALL COURT A PEDO 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

AS LONG AS PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME AND GLAZE MY IDEA OF COMEDY THEYRE PERFECTLY SAFE IN MY GRACES 😇😇😇😇😇

BUT SO HELP ME IF YOU CRITICIZE ME IM GONNA DO A 180 ON ANYTHING I EVER SAID TO SPITE YOU 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

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As someone who was in Sai's server when it happened, no it was not. That shit happened way after Courtney left.

Also can we please stop saying that Sai "cosplayed a pedophile" because she didn't.

If you actually watched the video, that was posted on April Fools btw, it's just a parody video of Lily and how she makes her videos. And it's clearly making fun of her. That's it, Sai doesn't even mention the allegations surrounding Lily in the actual video.

People take the piss out of pedophiles and terrible people through parody happens all the time. An example: Chris Chan. Do you know how many parody's of sonichu there are clearly making fun of Chris?

A lot. So why can't we do the same for Lily?

Honestly the fact that Courtney blew up about an April Fools joke and started slinging accusations just goes to show that Courtney shouldn't be on the Internet and doing this pedo hunter shit. Because it's clear that she'll make a mountain out of a mole hill about anything relating to her sister.

i think courtney sucks and needs to step away from this situation because it is For Sure hurting her mental health. however.

sai tossed her aside because she wasn't staying in line with her opinions. that's the only reason she's keeping britt around because they're both lesbians and never questions her.

britt is gonna be tossed aside the instant she's no longer useful to sai.

I DONT LIKE IT WHEN PEOPLE ARE MEAN TO ME AND CALL ME A PEDO BASELESSLY SO IM GONNA BASELESSLY CALL COURT A PEDO 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

AS LONG AS PEOPLE AGREE WITH ME AND GLAZE MY IDEA OF COMEDY THEYRE PERFECTLY SAFE IN MY GRACES 😇😇😇😇😇

BUT SO HELP ME IF YOU CRITICIZE ME IM GONNA DO A 180 ON ANYTHING I EVER SAID TO SPITE YOU 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

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"It's not lios responsibiltiy that she was on the internet to begin with."

No, it's not, but it is his responsiblity as to who is or isn't in the senate call as well as how the call goes. Lio knew about Rosa's condition, how she was on the spectrum, and how she needed a handler yet he still went with the call.

He still berated her, he still threw slurs at at her, he still threatened to dox her, and he still called her a slut and a whore when she was a victim of SA. All the while all of the other people in the call did the excat. same. thing. And he didn't do jack shit to stop it. It wasn't until Ponder and Harley spoke up about it that he decided that maybe he was in the wrong.

Courtney likes to think that the people defending Rosa in the call are defending her actions. We aren't. We're not defending Rosa's actions for defending a pedophile in the server. We know what Rosa did, but we know that this call wasn't justified in the slightest. Especially when you consider that she was just a mod and not the actual server owner. Hell, we don't even know if she had banning capabilities as a mod to begin with. So that's another thing to mention.

Courtney should either A. Shut the fuck up or B. Get educated on the situation before she opens her god damn fucking mouth.

I'm sorry I got a bit emotional at the end. It's just that Rosa call triggers me. I don't like using that word but that's the best way to describe my emotions. It puts me in a fight or flight response and I just can't watch it without getting angry and put into that state.

Ok I’m completely done giving Courtney any sympathy because I genuinely thought she had a right to be miffed about how people were handling Lily even if I disagreed and thought she had crossed several lines. But she is now defending the Rosa call and saying it was fine for Lio so scream at a disabled woman because she is an adult and how she would have called Rosa worse names, and she is arguing with people in the comments about who said what and completely ignoring all the people telling her that Rosa couldn’t block people like that info goes against her beliefs so she isn’t responding to them.

No fucking shot...

Wow so she's really defending Lio and his little butt buddy Peaches verbally abusing a mentally disabled woman with literal brain damage for 4 hours because she didn't ban someone from a Discord server when she didn't even have permissions to ban people. And because the server owner had already blocked Lio so he found someone else to lord his petty little internet power over.

So Courtney you're okay with him telling this woman he hopes she doesn't breed? That her mother, her caretaker, will kick her out of the house for this? With him and Peaches making fun of her speech impediment she has from the literal brain damage from her seizures? And you know how Lio just consistently targets vulnerable people half his age with mental issues?

This is a new low.

What kids did that help? What kids has Lio ever helped? He doesn't even know how to report properly. He didn't even know what RAINN and the Center for Missing and Exploited Children are. He thought he could just report things to his local police that are happening on the internet in a different state's jurisdiction and they'd magically escalate it to the FBI. He's not even good at this, it's just what he uses as an excuse to act like his own abusive father to people who can't fight back.

I have no idea what she thinks Lio is gonna do for her if she's willing to just hand wave all the terrible shit he does to vulnerable people.

Ask him about Jordan, the SA victim he advised when they were 16 to set up a camera to film in case their mother's boyfriend molested them again. There was no penetration, you see, so that made it fine for him to suggest in his mind. He then had this same kid at his house, started treating them poorly after they transitioned and blamed them for his cat with FIV dying. Cause he cares so much about victims you guys.

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I would like to add onto to this. As someone with autism I can say without a shadow of a doubt that Lily is anything but supportive towards autistic people. Both of these shots are from her now deactivated Tumblr:

She's directly stated that she no sympathy for people who can't mask correctly and people who infodump. Despite the fact that if an autistic person feels comfortable enough to infodump with you that means they either A. Trust you enough to be themselves around you or B. Are just really excited about the topic brought up. Speaking of not every person is interested in every topic someone talks about autistic or not. And maybe someone is tired that day, who knows. Point is to expect someone to be interested in every topic you talk about is absurd and really goes to show how Lily constantly wants positive attention on her.

She says all this and yet uses Special Ed as an insult. For those who don't know Special Ed, or special education, is a class that helps autistic and other people with disabilities go through school easier and makes sure they learn their education like the other students.

Again Lily has been for autistic people and when she is it's only beneficial to her. She doesn't actually care. If you're a fan of Lily Orchard and are autistic then please stop supporting her, since doesn't support you.

Lily’s Inconsistent Autism Claims

Lily’s inconsistent claims about being autistic reveal a deeply manipulative pattern, one that both exploits and alienates her own audience — many of whom are autistic themselves. By repeatedly shifting her narrative, Lily not only undermines genuine autistic experiences but also manipulates her community’s perception of her behavior and motives.

Lily has, at various points, claimed to have been diagnosed with Asperger’s as a teenager, yet she frequently downplays or outright denies this diagnosis when it no longer benefits her. When acknowledging her diagnosis might require her to show empathy or understanding toward other autistic people, she suddenly insists she’s not autistic and distances herself from the label entirely.

Her inconsistency isn’t just confusing; it’s manipulative. By claiming her autism only when it’s convenient, Lily effectively weaponizes the diagnosis to shield herself from criticism while denying others the same grace.

The Hypocrisy: Her Attitude Toward Other Autistic People

Despite claiming autism when it’s convenient, Lily has openly expressed disdain for autistic people who struggle with masking. Masking — the exhausting process of suppressing natural autistic behaviors to blend into neurotypical social expectations — is widely acknowledged as mentally and emotionally draining. For many autistic individuals, the inability to constantly mask is not a sign of laziness or defiance, but a deeply ingrained struggle.

Lily has reportedly stated she has "no sympathy" for autistic people who don’t mask, openly condemning them as if failing to meet social expectations is a personal failing. This mindset is not just ignorant — it’s cruel. It disregards the immense effort masking requires, especially for those who are overwhelmed, anxious, or fatigued.

What makes this even more insidious is that many of Lily’s own viewers are autistic. She’s cultivated a left-leaning, marginalized audience that includes neurodivergent individuals, abuse survivors, and members of the LGBTQ+ community — groups that often see themselves in her carefully curated “underdog” persona. For her to belittle and invalidate autistic struggles while selectively claiming that same identity for herself is both manipulative and harmful.

This attitude is especially hypocritical given her own well-documented struggles with overstimulation and irritability. During the infamous "gift sub incident", for example, Lily became visibly agitated during a stream when the constant alerts from gifted subscriptions overwhelmed her. While this response seemed to reflect genuine overstimulation — a common autistic trait — Lily refused to extend the same understanding to others facing similar struggles.

The Emotional Toll on Her Audience

The most concerning aspect of Lily’s behavior is how this affects her audience — many of whom are autistic themselves. Because Lily’s community largely consists of marginalized people, including neurodivergent viewers, her inconsistent stance on autism creates an unsettling power dynamic.

For autistic viewers, this sends a damaging message: If Lily can mask “perfectly,” why can’t you?

When Lily denies her autism or belittles those who struggle with masking, she risks alienating the very people who supported her, fostering shame and self-doubt among her viewers.

It sets a precedent in her community that autism is only “valid” if it’s managed in a way that meets her impossible standards. Worse still, her pattern of weaponizing her diagnosis to excuse her own poor behavior distorts what it means to be autistic, reinforcing harmful stereotypes about aggression, rudeness, and selfishness.

By fostering this toxic environment, Lily exploits her neurodivergent audience’s empathy while failing to show any in return. She builds her platform by drawing in marginalized groups, then dismisses or outright attacks those same groups when they don’t align with her views or challenge her behavior.

Tying It to Her Broader Patterns

This pattern ties directly into Lily’s broader tendencies. Just like her misuse of “boundaries” to justify hostility, her shifting autism narrative is another way she controls the conversation. If she’s criticized for her behavior, she claims autism to demand sympathy. But if she’s called to show compassion or understanding for others, she denies the diagnosis entirely to absolve herself of that responsibility.

Lily’s inability to maintain a consistent stance on her autism speaks to her larger pattern of impulsivity and short-term thinking. Rather than presenting a stable identity, she continually shifts her narrative to “win” whatever argument she’s currently having — even if that means directly contradicting herself. In doing so, she creates an environment where her audience is encouraged to rely on her word alone, without questioning her motives or verifying her claims.

Conclusion: A Manipulative Cycle

Lily’s selective identification as autistic — combined with her cruel attitude toward those who genuinely struggle — is yet another calculated tactic designed to manipulate her audience. By using autism as both a shield and a weapon, she exploits her neurodivergent viewers’ empathy while avoiding accountability for her actions. The result is a toxic, confusing environment where her audience is left unsure of what’s real, what’s performative, and whether their own struggles are being mocked behind the scenes.

Whether Lily is truly autistic or not isn’t something we can confirm with certainty. While her claims of a past Asperger’s diagnosis and her visible overstimulation during the “gift sub incident” may suggest authenticity, her exploitative behavior undermines any genuine credibility. What’s clear is that Lily treats autism — like so many other aspects of her identity — as a tool for manipulation. Rather than embracing the realities of autism with honesty or compassion, she distorts it to suit her immediate needs, often at the expense of her vulnerable, neurodivergent audience.

A/N: I know I don't give much information about myself, but I will confirm that I am autistic. Diagnosed and all.

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"lily has been a lolcow for 8 years and that's not just due to the allegations against her. cisgendered, usually male predators are forgotten a couple months after the fact. not lily."

AND YET YOU MENTIONED ONISION THE NEXT FEW PARAGRAPHS! Like how stupid can you be? Onision was talked about being a predator ever since Billy came out which was in 2017. People started talking more about Sarah's abuse because Chris Hansen got involved which cause Onision to be driven off the interent. Which is the only good thing Chris Hansen did in that situation. Also saying that nothing came out of Repzion's coverage of Onision is aburd. Especially when you consider that it got Onision to take him to court, and it also archived a lot of Onision's older video's that Onision deleted and tried to scrub off the internet. Making more people aware of his shitty behavoir.

"lily has done some undoubtedly horrible shit and her victims have every right to say their piece. you are not one of them."

So you acknowledge that Lily has done some horrible shit. Including sexually assualting her own sister and being abusive and yet you're defending her still? Because she's trans? Do you not see how backwards that is? You're essetinally saying that Lily can get away assulting and abusing people just because she's trans, which is disgusting. No one should be excused of a crime that they've done just because they're trans. They should be put in jail and get called out like everyone else.

Also how do you think Sai got this information? It was from the victims themselves. So what Sai's not allowed to talk about Lily's behavoir when the victims themselves have told Sai of what Lily's done? Epesically if it's to inform people like you who think calling Lily out is "transphobic" even though it's not. Speaking of the victims allow me to link you of thier stories about coming out about Lily' abuse. Then come back to me and try to defend Lily. I fucking dare you.: Courtney (Lily's own sister, who she assulted): https://youtu.be/g8IU8AONYQU?si=CTChARdQhLMgnWdq

Kp (Lily's ex friend): https://youtu.be/BXVytA6G4Io?si=w3FyGGoK7TBO30U_

Brittany (Another one of Lily's ex friends): https://www.tumblr.com/britts-galaxy-brain/166739710385/brittanys-open-letter-to-lily-peet Lizzy (An ex partner that was abused by Lily and also took her last name): https://x.com/WitchyLizzy/status/1369440947092733957

Here's proof of that: https://archive.vn/qVtrW

one of lily orchard's stalkers, anthony gramulgia has been defending neil gaiman against multiple sexual assault allegations and now twisting himself into a pretzel to deny he ever did this, all while attacking trans women who are rightfully calling him a rape apologist. i just think it speaks to the state of things right now where a man will believe whispers about a trans woman from random tumblr bloggers to build a career off her, but will never hold that same energy for someone TME or just more accurately, a man he enjoys the work of.

i hate that neil gaiman was defended in fandom because he made good omens. i hate that trans women were put in front of him as a defence.

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No problem dude.

Yo man, I know we don't exactly get along or anything like that. But I think you should know that this person is potentially going to draw some nsfw of you/something that you're uncomfortable with. https://www.tumblr.com/bruce-boinkers-69/777328655460368384/note-to-self-make-good-on-statement-draw-sai?source=share

Me and Sai don't assoicate with this person at all and frankly I'm disgusted by thier actions. I thought I'd let you know since it's the right thing to do and no one deserves that. Hope you have a good day.

Hah! I'm almost tempted to call her on her bluff. Drawing me or anything related to me requires knowing what I look like, and no one does.

At least if she does that, the blog description will finally be accurate. It will be an NSFW art account proper and not a crash-out space for someone slowly losing their mind.

Thanks for the heads-up.

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Hoo boy that's an essay and a half. You really didn't have anything better to do huh? And you say "get mossed" like you're not the one defending yourself from drawing porn of a person without thier permission. Least I have an excuse because I'm online most of the time and I ain't got nothing better to do.

Love on how you show the fucking page of the r34 and not Lio actively saying he doesn't approve of it. Even then your arguement is stupid. You don't need to say every little thing you're uncomfortable with out loud and public. By your own logic just because I didn't make a post about how I didn't want to doxxed does that mean I should get doxxed? Because I didn't explictly say it in a public fourm.

No, of course not. Because you don't fucking do that unless someone asks you to. Because it's basic human decency. Also how do we know that he didn't dm the artist privately about the matter. Not drawing porn of someone's persona is like one of those unspoken rules artist have. Those who break that rule are lower than fucking dirt which is what you and all the other people who made r34 art of Lio are. And just because someone requested it doesn't give you an excuse. Because 1. It wasn't Lio himself and 2. Cuz you can say no. Espeically if you weren't even getting paid for it. Not that would've jusitified you doing this.

No one is saying that Lio isn't a piece of shit and that he's a victim. He is a piece of shit and isn't a victim. It's just fucked up that you would draw porn of an irl person and it just so happened to be Lio. And again you're making it sound like he doesn't a right to be pissed off at you which in this instant he does. If you had done it to any other irl person we'd still be in this prediciment and you'd still be banned. Also speaking of Sai and that server, no one called you a rape apologist. The person said you were acting like one because bending over backwards and taking these mental gymnastics to defend yourself that Lily fucking Orchard would be jealous.

Oh and before you say that Sai drew a person's persona getting shot. Dansburst studio's doesn't have a persona. The character he's using is an actual character from mlp. Sai doesn't draw persona's in a deplorable sense like you do. Look further than the Lily Orchard thumbnails.

Here’s the “erotica” that got Sai in a tizzy and here’s why I posted it since SHE doesn’t actually want to engage with the point cause it makes the whole thing crumble apart.

Lio actually doesn’t give a shit about porn. He doesn’t actually care about you or anyone else drawing it until it suits him. The only time he publicly acknowledges that he doesn’t like people doing it is when people were drawing him and peaches. Citing to its incest to him. Other than that, crickets.

He knows these exits, yet for some reason, he remains silent on the matter.

You can go through the ENTIRE catalog of this shit but what you’ll never find is Lio expressing himself that it’s something he doesn’t like or want. Guess why… he doesn’t actually give a shit, it fuels his ego. He KNOWS these artists exist and doesn’t care. The only two people who have ever in the history of ever who said anything otherwise is… can you guess… NOT LIO! They’re completely different people from the fucker.

The only reason he said anything about me, if you ever paid any attention to what I say (cause apparently you don’t) the only reason he gave a shit about me doing it. Was because I outed Kumo and Romantic Goblin for having a discord server where they were sharing nsfw to minors. Also Lio already hated me prior to all of this because I also out one of his server members being LinkiePaws as a zoophile and Lio ignoring and defending them.

So no Sai, I’m not a “rape apologist” I just know the mf that’s being discussed says shit if and when it suits his shitty little bigot existence. He doesn’t actually care and never has. He’s not an OwO victim. He’s a massive liar and an abusive hypocrite. Maybe if you actually went over some of those dramas and calls, you would’ve noticed that. But no, live in delulu libtard world.

That being said.

Bitch I know more about this lion cuck then you, who tf MADE the playlist you went over?

I would say don’t bite the hand that feed you, but I’m afraid your fatass would eat that comment too.

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You did not just tell me to touch grass when you admitted to drawing NSFW of someone's persona without their consent.

Seriously dude stop projecting and take your own advice.

Also never mentioned anything about grass so... Just goes to show that you're not listening and you're trying to be in the right when you aren't and you never will be.

If drawing nsfw of somebody's persona/fursona/oc without their knowledge is "rape art" does that mean drawing someone's persona/fursona/oc being euthanized a death threat?

no real person is being referred to here, but its just a weird double standard I've noticed.

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Context: They've already said it, but they drew NSFW of some's persona without they're consent or knowledge. The person and other people got rightfully fucking mad and she was banned from the server she shared it in.

Dude it's fucked up to make NSFW art of them without their consent and regardless of what they did. And regardless of whether it was rape art or not. There is no double standards you just pulled this argument out of your ass.

Also yes that is a death threat because you're showing that you want to harm the person because you literally are drawing yourself killing them. Since a persona is a representation of themselves. So once again it's not a "weird double standard." It's just common knowledge and common decency.

The fact that you still don't understand this after multiple people called you out for it is concerning. Please get help.

If drawing nsfw of somebody's persona/fursona/oc without their knowledge is "rape art" does that mean drawing someone's persona/fursona/oc being euthanized a death threat?

no real person is being referred to here, but its just a weird double standard I've noticed.

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Lily is encouraging her fans to Mass Reporting her "stalkers" because her own Tumblr got banned.

Why did her Tumblr get banned?

1. Ban evasion

2. Harassment against her "stalkers"

And 3. Posting a rape fanfic.

You got banned for a reason Lily.

Also please spread this around so Tumblr can see it.

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Inconsistencies in Lily’s Courtney Accounts

In 2018, Lily talked about an altercation between her and Courtney at 14.

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I want to draw y’all’s attention to the last line. “She never laid a hand on me again after that—” I want you to remember this.

Now here is Lily talking about that same incident again in 2023.

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The story is changed. Lily only punched Courtney once now, and Courtney is the one who left—only to return with a mallet. None of this was mentioned the first time Lily told this story.

Fast forward one more time.

Lily says that Courtney started assaulting her at 14, and that she couldn’t have fought back because she was being blackmailed and because she was malnourished and underweight.

This doesn’t line up with the earlier story. Lily said herself she was fourteen when she fought back against Courtney and, most importantly, how Courtney never touched her again after that event.

Lily likes to talk big about how Courtney’s stories are inconsistent, but she’s literally never told the same story twice herself. None of this adds up to a coherent picture, because Lily Orchard is lying.

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PREACH BRITT!

"Lily Orchard had public lewd interactions with a 15 year old for four years and then dated them."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Lily Orchard shipped a real life adult with a real life minor and tried to pressure them into dating."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Lily Orchard sexually abused her real life sibling and went on to write fanfiction inspired by what she did to and her obsession with said sibling, that she still writes to this day."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Lily Orchard has expressed in multiple ways (sockpuppet, rpgmaker games, fanfics, fanart, her own words) that she is a pedophile."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Lily Orchard has expressed in multiple ways that she is sexually interested in dogs."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Lily Orchard has sexually and emotionally abused everyone she has ever gotten close to or dated."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Patricia Taxxon showed porn to minors and pleasured herself in a VC with minors present."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

"Patricia Taxxon posted lewd images of herself on a public account that she knew minors followed her on."

"Patricia Taxxon has expressed support for zoophiles."

"Patricia Taxxon has expressed having sexual desires that involve underage children."

"Transmisogyny! Transphobia!"

Do you people not understand the implications of doing shit like this? Do you not understand that by crying transphobia every time a trans person gets called out for behavior like this, you are implying that this behavior must be an intrinsic part of being trans, otherwise your accusation makes no goddamn sense?

Do you not understand how DEEPLY FUCKING HARMFUL that is to innocent trans people??

Would you be screaming bigotry if it was a cis person getting called out for behavior like this?

Hell would you be screaming bigotry if it was a trans MAN getting called out for behavior like this??

Sexual predators have been ALLOWED to proliferate in these communities because of THIS SHIT RIGHT HERE. Because anyone who tries to call it out and do something about it is dismissed as transmisogynistic. Even though that makes no goddamn sense in context.

Do not let other sexual abusers scare you into not calling this shit out. Predators absolutely should not be allowed to run rampant in these spaces.

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No because this literally happens to every Lily Orchard stan. Either this or "I didn't know about Lily Orchard." That one happened twice believe it or not. If you don't know anything then do your fucking research instead of picking one side.

“Lily orchard is a predator. Here is 10 plus years of evidence that she admitted to herself”

“No, I’m not reading all that. You’re a transmisogynist”

“Can you explain how it’s transmisogynistic to show why this person is a predator”

“No”

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If you don't know anything about Lily then why are you commenting like you know what your talking about?

The reason why these blogs exist is to call Lily out on her bullshit. Instead of thinking: "tHeSe PeOpLe ArE sTaLkInG aNd HaRrAsSmInG a TrAnS wOmAn" actually do your research and look at the evidence presented to you. Don't immediately think "transphobia" or "trans misogyny" just because Lily says it is. Because guess what? The only reason why Lily says that is because she's negating criticism and trying to villainize her critics and victims.

my favourite thing to do in arguments is to just not engage with that they're trying to say. what's that post about the person with a radio show who played classic rock but said the wrong band

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Behold the average Lily fan.

"Let me defend an abuser! Despite multiple victims of that abuser coming out and there being evidence of their deranged behavior!"

Watch they'll say that the sky is green next.

my favourite thing to do in arguments is to just not engage with that they're trying to say. what's that post about the person with a radio show who played classic rock but said the wrong band

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Nononononono.

That's a dangerous mentality to have. Especially in this situation where Lily has done wrong. We shouldn't be putting trans people on this pedestal. We be treating them like actual people. If you believe innocent till proven guilty that's fine, but she shouldn't be saying "Trans people can do no wrong." Especially when it comes to Lily Orchard.

Because she has done wrong. She not only SA her sister, but also flashed minors. And she admitted to that last one in her own apology. I don't know the timestamp of the video, because I watched the video through a stream. However it was in the Ethel section and I can quote her.: "All this is based off of the claims of someone named Glade-Cat (the minor) who claimed that one day I posted an 18+ stream. And they asked: "Why is this 18+?" I apparently said watch it and find out. Where they went in and saw my boobs at one point."

I can prove this by showing Joon's video an just watch the section of Streams And Alchorative:

Hell watch the whole thing and actually listen to the points of the video. Then talk to me about Lily being innocent.

lily orchard has entered that pantheon of problematic transfems who, while i myself have my misgivings, someone forming part of their brand identity around criticizing her is the reddest possible flag. every youtuber who made more than one video on lily orchard turned out to be a vocal transmisogynist or were otherwise dangerous, even the seemingly innocent/progressive ones like A. Gramuglia, even the transfem ones. she's a lightning rod.

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Love on how the comments are disabled on this post. Very classy.

Also no one is fucking defending Courtney's actions. I think we're all in an agreement that Courtney shouldn't be an online mother to a minor and shouldn't be venting out personal problems to them either. As well as the other stuff.

Also I'm sorry but making fun of someone's looks isn't trans misogyny. People do it to a bunch of fucking Lolcows like Cyrax and White Bowser. It's not trans misogyny just because someone's insulted a trans person looks. Get fucking over yourself.

You can hate the people who spread false rumors about Lily sure. But don't call them trans misogynistic just because they make fun of her looks. Because guess what? You're part of the problem for people defending Lily. You're just encouraging those people to use Lily's identity to excuse her for her crimes. When no we should treat her like everyone else. Just because she's trans doesn't mean she gets a special pass on things she still flashed a fucking minor, trans or not.

At this point, I'm tired of the bullshit hypocrisy that comes from both Lily Orchard and her critics.

Lily is obviously an attention seeking liar, with a proclivity for abusing others and then playing the victim. Obviously she uses her trans identity to deflect criticism.

There are mountains of proof for her online behavior, dating back to her Baahlspawn days for anyone who is willing to actually look at it. There are people who knew her from pretransition that can confirm it was her. Lily has admitted to actions and behavior that tell me Courtney isn't lying about her.

But it's clear to me that her critics aren't too much better than Lily's defenders.

Courtney Peet may have been a victim of COCSA at the hands of his brother and Lily. It's clear he may not have the best judgment when it comes to boundaries due to trauma and past drug abuse. But that's not an excuse to downplay the way he treated others.

ESPECIALLY when it comes to telling a minor how to masturbate and otherwise explore their body— Which is not a malicious rumor made up by some wishy-washy Lily critical tumblr user looking for clout. There are SCREEN SHOTS of that shit.

You don't get to lambast Lily for flashing a minor on stream, and then downplay what Courtney did.

Even if it wasn't his intention to hurt/groom a minor, he still hurt a minor. A minor who trusted him. Who looked up to him. A minor he had no business talking to in that way.

This, on top of little things like tearing into Lily's looks, making fun of her voice, and then saying "that's not transphobia/transmisogyny, because this trans man said so" as if a trans man can speak for trans women's experiences.

It's all just a load of horse shit to me. It's no wonder I didn't take this seriously years ago, and why I still don't take everything her critics say at face value.

It's no wonder no one touches this drama, except small YouTubers who have somehow gotten themselves involved in LO's bullshit. It's a disorganized shitfest, full of people who are willing to ignore or dismiss anything that isn't against Lily.

It's a damn joke.