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anyway, the continued insistence that snow saw lucy gray as an object rather than a person is a way of minimizing her importance to the narrative, send tweet.
#get outta here with that manic pixie dream girl bullshit lmao#snow respected her. he valued her opinion.#he saw her as someone to be admired. exceptional is the way he canonically describes her.#snowbaird#lucy gray baird#the ballad of songbirds and snakes
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i think it’s funny that highbottom punished snow for, ostensibly, an act of rebellion against the capitol.
#that the character who most intimately understands how deeply broken and unjust the institution of the games is#still uses its rules as a tool for personal revenge.#i’m not even talking about the poison compact! he wanted to punish snow for feeding lucy gray his school lunch.#it’s why i find his self-pity so contemptible#how much can he truly hate the games if he was willing to let an innocent girl suffer and die in order to humiliate snow?#casca highbottom#coriolanus snow#the ballad of songbirds and snakes
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Oh, absolutely! People always attribute Snow’s actions to ambition, but it’s criminally overlooked, how much he’s driven by an all-consuming need for safety and security at any cost, even at the expense of personal freedom. If it were purely ambition, he wouldn’t struggle nearly as much with his perfidy.
And people ignore the fact that though he didn’t buy wholesale into the propaganda of Panem as a place of righteousness, he did think the system was mostly fair and equitable and not just cruelty for cruelty’s sake. There are rules and if you follow those rules and you work hard, you’ll be rewarded — and then that ideal is completely destroyed. There’s a moment after Clemensia is bitten by Gaul’s snakes where it fully hits him that the system doesn’t truly care about any of them, and he’s completely unmoored by it. He compartmentalizes it because it’s such a world-shattering realization, but that broken trust sticks with him and it generalizes from “can’t trust the system” -> “can’t trust anyone.” That paranoia is only further reinforced by the events of the book.
It’s uncomfortable for some people to think that Snow could be relatable even for a moment. That he didn’t start off some soulless, greedy monster swallowing everything in his path in pursuit of total power and was, once upon a time, just some kid trying to carve out a space in an inherently unjust society and that it was that earnest attempt that led him into monstrosity. We think we’ll always know when we’re crossing a moral horizon, but sometimes we can’t see it until it’s too late, and even if we realize it, we can’t always bring ourselves to right our paths when it would mean significantly more suffering.
it’s crazy to me that people pretend that there was no clear difference between snow at the beginning at tbosas v. the end. this is not the same boy who doomed sejanus by sending that jabberjay to the capitol. there was a clear moral decline throughout the book!
#i think people have a hard time admitting how tempting it is to give into cynicism#there’s often great reward in compromising your morals.#resistance is hard work!#you’ll lose over and over and it’ll break your heart#but resisting is worth it even when it hurts. you can’t shut yourself off from caring.#no amount of material wealth or power that comes from submitting to corruption will ever be worth the humanity you lose.
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it’s crazy to me that people pretend that there was no clear difference between snow at the beginning at tbosas v. the end. this is not the same boy who doomed sejanus by sending that jabberjay to the capitol. there was a clear moral decline throughout the book!
#the true evil of snow as an antagonist is that he *is* capable of doing and being better.#he’s not insane. his cruelty was not inevitable. it was a deliberate choice.#coriolanus snow#the ballad of songbirds and snakes
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i’m rereading the og trilogy and man, i forgot how much this specific moment imprinted on newly twelve year old me
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people have this conception of lucy gray as this generic good guy and never actually bother to interact with the text of her character and that bothers me, i think.
#!!!!!#lucy gray has a hardscrabble pragmatism that gets lost in the interpretations of her as this wounded dove.#she still believes in the innate goodness of others despite the awful things society forces them into#((their society especially))#it’s not naivety — it’s faith.#you are never beyond redemption for as long you’re still willing to try to do good.#no not even when you kill someone.#it’s only when you give up the struggle and resign yourself to evil because it’s the easier path that you become irredeemable in her eyes.#it’s almost dehumanizing that people strip her of that complexity in order to make a martyr of her.#and yeah. lol. the quotes at the beginning are not subtle.
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people have this conception of lucy gray as this generic good guy and never actually bother to interact with the text of her character and that bothers me, i think.
#lucy gray baird#my stomach is murdering me so i can’t put it into the right words#but - it’s in the way people see essentially no difference between lucy gray and. like. sejanus (who *is* more your prototypical good guy)#all their characteristics get flattened under this umbrella of general Moral and Right against snow’s Evil and Wrong#the ballad of songbirds and snakes
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this chicken sandwich gave me the most awful stomach ache ever
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it’s funny that anyone who read tbosas actually buys coryo’s insistence that he’s this cold, calculated, unfeeling person who is only a ever manipulating those around him when everything he does is driven by emotion—by fear, shame, pride, guilt, and, though people will fight you on it, love. he’s repressed any open sincerity in an attempt to shield himself from vulnerability, and yet it’s still on the verge of spilling out of him at any given time.
#there’s this line when arachne is dying and he recoils in fear like any normal person would and mentally berates himself for it#he says his terror ‘is a private thing’ and i think that perfectly encapsulates his worldview#i think he’d very much like to believe that he’s detached himself from those kinds of base emotions#but it’s not true. he’s lying to himself.#he’s terrified of being known because people who know you know how to hurt you.#and it’s his inability to accept the loss of control inherent to placing your trust in someone else that is his downfall.#his betrayal of himself is the catalyst for his moral degradation.#but also less philosophically. like. he crashes out every five seconds#he’ll say ‘i’m in complete control actually’ and then proceed to have a panic attack.#coriolanus snow#the ballad of songbirds and snakes
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THE HUNGER GAMES: SUNRISE ON THE REAPING (2025)
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It's so funny to me that Snow, in his full blown villain form, is defined by hating and refusing to see the power and beauty of true love.
In his full blown villain form Snow is a Snowbaird anti lolololol
President Snow, up late at night writing meta about how he and LG were nothing and she never loved him that much actually and he got over her immediately!! Meanwhile, torturing some poor boy in his underground lair for daring to be in love. Playing the kid clips of Lucy Gray singing about love betrayed (!).
Seriously, as a villain Snow is like some kind of True Love Inquisition - hunting down believers who defy his orthodoxy and torturing them to recant their heresy. How dare you believe it can be real? How dare you stay true when I couldn't? I'll show you! It's all a lie, everyone betrays each other in the end and if they don't that means I let my fear destroy everything that will ever truly matter.
That is such a wildly romantic and fresh thing to do with a villain right now, given the disdain for intense emotion and love stories in US media.
#beautifully said <3#it’s easy to let hatred and bitterness take root in our souls#esp. in the face of immense grief and tragedy.#but it corrupts us too. it blinds us to the good still around us.#enduring is worth it and we owe it to ourselves to keep that hope alive.
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i literally just bought this phone, why is it already overheating on me?
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i love how with every new installment in the series, suzanne collins makes romance more central and essential to the story and you still have the fandom refusing to acknowledge the transformative power of romantic love!
#transformative here used both positively and negatively!#the hunger games#sunrise on the reaping#the ballad of songbirds and snakes
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It's so funny to me that Snow, in his full blown villain form, is defined by hating and refusing to see the power and beauty of true love.
In his full blown villain form Snow is a Snowbaird anti lolololol
President Snow, up late at night writing meta about how he and LG were nothing and she never loved him that much actually and he got over her immediately!! Meanwhile, torturing some poor boy in his underground lair for daring to be in love. Playing the kid clips of Lucy Gray singing about love betrayed (!).
Seriously, as a villain Snow is like some kind of True Love Inquisition - hunting down believers who defy his orthodoxy and torturing them to recant their heresy. How dare you believe it can be real? How dare you stay true when I couldn't? I'll show you! It's all a lie, everyone betrays each other in the end and if they don't that means I let my fear destroy everything that will ever truly matter.
That is such a wildly romantic and fresh thing to do with a villain right now, given the disdain for intense emotion and love stories in US media.
#no exactly!#and that’s what i hate the most about the insistence that snow was obsessed and not in love — the love mattered!#that fleeting chance at happiness is important!#snow killed the most human & tender part of himself for nothing.#for an authority he thought would protect him. for an authority he thought would heal him.#and he spends the rest of his life convincing himself the love was always a farce because he can’t face the truth of what he did.#this living death he’s condemned himself to.
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the song, lucy gray, bathed in light, reaching out to coryo, who is shrouded in darkness, caught in between taking her hand or staying behind. the tiniest inkling that he’ll step forward, but the tv cutting out before you know what he actually decides. absolute cinema!
#sometimes you can really tell miss suzy collins has screenwriting experience#snowbaird#sotr spoilers#the cinnamontopography… coryo cut off at the knees just as he reaches for redemption
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"The girl bows and extends her hand to a figure who's standing just out of the spotlight." // "Who was the guy she reached out to at the end of her number? (...) It was someone she cared about, from the look of it." (Sunrise on the Reaping, chapter 25)
#THIS KILLED ME#‘deciding whether or not to join her’ there couldn’t be a more perfect description of their relationship.#a snapshot of the crossroads
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