#Hawkmoth is not Gabriel theory
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Too many Miraculous
I just noticed something:
In Kwamibuster (S3), Master Fu tells Marinette: "You can't do that! Merging Miraculous will give you way too much power! It could make you lose your mind!"
So hear me out: we are all aware of how Gabriel Agreste slowly but surely lost what was left of his sanity in his quest to cure his wife in the last seasons. But what if the fact that he was always using multiple Miraculous at once accelerated him spiraling down into madness?
Gabriel is an adult so he might have been less affected when merging Miraculous than Marinette, but the Evolution episode (S5) definitely showed that he was very weak when he tried to use several Miraculous at once.
Gabriel's slow descent to madness would have happened without the Miraculous (he was already on the road to insanity wayyyy before he stole the Miraculous from Ladybug), but him merging powers all the time throughout season 5 might have accelerated the process.
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I was rewatching The Ruler and I noticed the pictures on Nathaniel's wall during this scene. On a closer look at the said pictures...



I realized that these are the same illustrations that we saw in the season 4 episode Gabriel Agreste.








Now these are his drawings he can hang whatever he wants on his wall but the choice of panels is interesting. Is this a representation of what has already happened? That is Marinette aka Ladybug aka the knight faced the witch (Gabriel) head on and has saved our Princess, Adrien. I also noticed that in these illustrations Adrien is tied up and isn't participating in the fight and in the season 5 finale is was locked up in London and wasn't part of the fight 😒 I understand it's ment to dipict that Adrien is tied up by obligation and stuff and the control Gabriel has over him but still it's so frustrating I thought he was supposed to be the male protagonist why do the writers toss him aside every chance they get?
Returning to the point, the final panel where they are riding into the sunset with flying hamsters isn't on the wall instead it feels like what they are trying to say with this particular panel

Is that danger is still lurking in the shadows. Now could this danger be Gabriel himself? That's unlikely but it could be the seeds he planted. He left a letter to Adrien explaining everything maybe he left more clues around the house? Or he had planned something before he died and that beings to resurface causing problems for Cat Noir and Ladybug? The perfect world cult or whatever might be trying to execute his plans.
Also when I was trying to find out where I had seen the pictures pictures and read the name of the episode was Gabriel Agreste I remember that in season 6 we will be having an episode called 'Mister Agreste' and a another called 'The dark Castle'

I don't know why I thought these are related to the illustrations maybe because the illustration has a black coloured castle which is symbolism for the Agreste manor and the episode name is the dark castle you get it. Anyways I am quite excited to see these episodes maybe for once we will actually get an Adrien/ Cat Noir centered episode but honestly I have lost hope it will probably be about the truth weighing on Marinette's conscience. Although it's not something outwardly spoken about in the show until now I feel like there are signs that it is really bothering her more than it is shown but that is something to talk about for another time.
#adrien agreste#miraculous ladybug#chat noir#miraculous season 6#miraculous#marinette dupain cheng#gabriel agreste#hawkmoth#ladybug#miraculous fan theory
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I think we're going to see a moment in the next season where Ladybug slips up about Gabriel being Monarch to Chat Noir and Adrien realises that his father, whom everyone was praising is, in fact the villain that tormented all of Paris the whole world.
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I'm sure I'm being dumb here, but I know in the past I've seen people wonder what purification has to do with the power of Creation, and whether Chat Noir could purify an akuma by targeting the evil inside.
Philosophically, evil might just be considered the absence of good, like how cold is the absence of heat, and a vacuum is the absence of matter.
So if that's true, then Chat should not be able to purify an akuma no matter how good he is at micro-targeting things, because there's no evil to destroy.
On the other hand, Ladybug's "second" power to purify could then be seen as just more creation. She's purifying an akuma in the colloquial sense of the word. It's analogous to how one purifies a material be removing impurities.
But what if when she purifies, all she's doing is creating goodness that previously had been removed to make the akuma in the first place? So it's all still just one power: Creation.
Is there anything in canon that directly contradicts this? I don't mean what people say, because words are fallible. I mean: Is there an observable event that means this cannot possibly be correct?
Maybe I'll do another post thinking about what this might imply about the moth powers. Maybe the Transmission power includes transmitting goodness from one place to another, enabling the creation of a hero or villain by adding or removing goodness?
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(this beautiful image by VioletYoung on DeviantArt, source: https://www.deviantart.com/violetyoung/art/Purified-Akuma-671831725)
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I’ve been saying this for years but Gabriel Agreste is a cheap knock-off of Mr. Freeze from Batman. This trope has been done before and it doesn’t fail as hard as Gabriel.
Mr. Freeze is the perfect example of sympathetic villain trying to save/cure his coma/dead wife. What he does is bad but he has sympathetic (and perhaps redeeming) qualities. I have a very limited knowledge about the batverse or dc but the fact that such little exposure i had to this villain and he still gave such a lasting impressions says a lot about the character writing and execution.
On the other hand, there is no excuse other than poor writing and what not, which Astruc is not ready to admit by hiding behind excuses that helps him sleep at night and blaming the audience and fans alike for not understanding that.
#mr freeze is far superior than Hawkmoth#the reason mr freeze is better#miraculous ladybug#miraculous les aventures de ladybug et chat noir#miraculous fandom#batman#miraculous theory#miraculous lb#miraculous tales of ladybug and chat noir#miraculoustalesofladybugandcatnoir#thomas has no excuse#miraculous au#mlb fandom#mlb analysis#miraculous analysis#mlb theory#mlb lb#gabriel agreste#mr freeze
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Let's talk about "Miraculous Ladybug and Chat Noir" after after the end of season 5.
Well I have a theory about what happens next.
ATTENTION: THIS POST CONTAINS SPOILERS ABOUT SEASON 5 OF THE SERIES!
So, we start from the end of the season and more specifically from the moment when Felix and Kagami showed us the history of Adrien and Felix's family. If you don't remember its content, I recommend watching this fragment on YouTube.
What am I getting at? There are a lot of parallels in Marinette and Adrien's story. Marinette, like Gabriel in that story, is an ordinary fashion designer who got involved with someone from the "higher league". Sounds familiar?Second thing, look at the scene where Adrien and Marinette had a picnic. It looks almost the same as the one shown in the episode "Evolution" of season 5, where Gabriell and Emily decided to have a baby. In the last episode we also see Adrien sitting alone in the garden next to a certain figure. We saw a similar scene with Emily and it was supposed to take place shortly before her death.
So… what if this is a signal to us that at some point Marinette or Adrien will lose their lives? We know that Adrien is a sentimonster and his life depends on the wedding rings he currently has.
Maybe they will be damaged during the fight with the villain? Or maybe Lila will discover Chat Noir's identity and it will lead to his death or coma? We are not sure, but it may also be a reference to Marinette's death. After all, in the episode "Chat Blanc", when Marinette lost her life, Adrien sat alone in one place for six months. Maybe the final scene of the sixth season was supposed to refer to this episode? We know perfectly well that Lila, who became the owner of the butterfly miraculous, sincerely hates Marinette. So there would be nothing shocking about her wanting to harm Ladybug or even her civilian form. Which would be even more fitting. Marinette, somehow hurt by Lila, would either fall into a coma like Emily Agreste or die, which would give us a repeat of the Agreste family entertainment.
For look at this: Gabriel wanted to regain the love of his life, which was Emily - and he was helped in all this by Nathalie, who clearly had some feelings for Emily. Be it romantic or friendly. It doesn't change the fact that Emily was very important to her.
And what do we get now? Luka who, despite everything, still loves Marinette and wants to protect her even if she loves someone else. Adrien, who is Gabriel's indispensable son and has shown many times that he is able to do a lot for love. And finally, Marinette, the person who connects the two. They both love her. And they would both want to save her, no matter what.
So what if history repeats itself? Adrien will lose Marinette, and to save her will he do exactly as his father did? What if, after Marinette's death, the master becomes the guardian of the Miraculouses? What if we get new superheroes and once again see Gabriel, Emily and Nathalie but this time as Adrien, Marinette and Luka?
#miraculous ladybug#adrien agreste#hawkmoth#monarch#miraculous season 5#miraculous theory#chat noir#ladybug and chat noir#luka couffaine#gabriel agreste#marinette dupain cheng#mlb nathalie
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And to think this is the same man who once smiled fondly while praising Marinette's talent in design after Audrey compared confirmed that Marinette may be as talented as Gabriel was when she found him.
This Gabriel doesn't look like he's bothered by the fact that Marinette is a middle class parisian, or that his son is standing next to her (And it also doesn't like Gabriel was bothered by the fact that most parisians though Adrien was dating Marinette during the episode Gorizilla). This was also a Gabriel who was willing to abandon his goal of bringing Emilie back if it mean no longer endangering Adrien with his akumas.
Yet Gabriel only had to see that Ladybug could make an important mistake such as losing a miraculous to think that becoming Hawkmoth again was worth it. I just think that the power of the butterfly miraculous may have become like a drug to Gabriel and even though an addict can eventually quit for a while, even a little bit can be enough to relapse. And the more Gabriel used the power of the butterfly miraculous, the more he became addicted to this version of him that is powerfull and can control people. And as Felix pointed out, Gabriel is obsessed with control, something that the power of the miraculous surely gave him the illusion of having. And the more someone commits misdeeds under the influence of power that they abuse without responsibility, the easier it is to become desensitized and dehumanized, although for Gabriel, something else came to play into making him more monstruous and abusive.
To use the arguments of ThatAwkwardRabbit on Reddit (here is the link for those who are interrested : https://www.reddit.com/r/miraculousladybug/comments/17dfsyq/master_fu_was_right_gabriel_is_the_proof/) :
" Back in KwamiBuster (S3E13) Master Fu says to Marinette "Merging Miraculous would give you way too much power. It could make you loose your mind."
What if thats what happened to Gabriel? He lost his mind. He lost focus on his wish SAVING HIS WIFE for power.
Natalie even tells him "You're insane Gabriel." after he lost The Rabbit Miraculous.
Heck the man Cataclysmed HIMSELF! Which I know he did it to escape, but he still had all the other miraculous he could have used one of them to escape. Yes, Lady Bug & Cat Noir threaten to Cataclysm him if he (Monarch) does anything other than detransform, but Gabriel Cataclysms himself anyway, so either way he would be getting Cataclysmed. Gabriel/Monarch made the choice to Cataclysm himself when he didn't have to.
Even Cat Noir says "Why'd he do that? Is he crazy?"
My theory is YES! Wearing and using Multiple Miraculous as Master Fu warned made Monarch loose his mind, which explains the dumb decisions he made in Season 5. (The Seasons before that well those have no excuse other than Plot Armor, lol) "
It's a miracle that Marinette managed to bring back the little humanity that remained in Gabriel during their last fight. Well, I guess this series wouldn't be called "Miraculous", if miracles didn't happen in the story
Gabriel is obsessed with Marinette because she reminds him of himself and deep down he actually struggles with self-loathing, which he's projecting onto her. He's also seeing Adrien as an extension of Emilie, he molded their son to be the perfection he saw in her and he is afraid that if Adrien gets with Marinette he will end up like Emillie did when she got with Gabi Grassette.

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I HAVE THEORIES ABOUT THE IDENTITIES OF SOME OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS

In the Paris special there is a scene where we see Gabriel’s phone contacts. Excuse this absolutely dog-shit gif.
Among these contacts there are three unfamiliar names with no profile pictures :
- Franck Masson
- Camilo Pista
- Francis Kassenti
My first thoughts when I noticed this yesterday was that gabriel had a construction crew on speed-dial because of his habit of punching walls but hear me out !!
FRANCK MASSON.
Starting with M.Masson. First of all the name itself is most likely a pun. The French name of the Freemasons is the Franc-maçons. Franck Masson, Franc-maçon, classic mlb joke name for a guy in a secret society.
Second argument : one of the pillars shows a brick wall ! The freemasons notoriously fuck with building stuff.

FRANCIS KASSENTI
There’s less evidence for this but i believe it may be the name of the theater mask member. It could be a reference to french filmmaker and theater director Frank Cassenti ?

Camilo Pista
I think this might ? Possibly ? Be the scepter pillar member ? Camilo means “helper to the priest” and pista means “clue” in Spanish. If this is true M. Pista would most likely have an important role in this organization (supported by how authoritative he seems in the episode) but still respond to someone else. Likely someone not present here.

POSSIBLE PREVIOUS CHARACTERS
So obviously tomoe is “la machine” but I could very well see Audrey be the quill. that’d mean she knew about hawkmoth all along? Which doesn’t really make sense with the way she behaved when akumatized but Yk. Theories.

This one’s VERY unlikely but like. Maybe an Argencourt ?

I don’t know let me know what you think :3
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Honestly I think my take on the "Chat Noir was not there in the final battle" comes down to the fact that I kind of just don't think a satisfying final battle between Chat Noir and Monarch was actually possible.
I read a lot of fic, for example, and I've read the scenario play out a lot of times in a ton of ways and I've never been fully convinced of it tbh (and not because they weren't great fic!!). It seems just completely traumatic for Adrien in a way that the scenario inherently cannot properly focus on, because it's all happening in the middle of an action scene and Adrien is too busy being Mid-Battle to properly have a cathartic breakdown about it all. I mean, Chat Blanc already showed us what would happen if he did have a breakdown mid-battle (and why wouldn't he?). And though it'd be fun to have a big triumphant moment of him defeating his abusive father, Adrien simply isn't a character who would find that scenario triumphant, or cathartic, or anything other than viscerally traumatic.
Also, I agree that it's unfair that Chat Noir was not present— like it was unfairly tilted in Ladybug's favor— but I don't think it'd be fair if he was present, either. Because Marinette is, in fact, the main character. The main character whose character arc is primarily focused on her finding her footing as a hero and discovering all the responsibilities that come with that power (as opposed to Adrien, whose character arc is moreso about freedom and identity). And let's face it, in a fight between Ladybug and Chat Noir and Monarch, nobody would be focused on Ladybug at all. It's not about her. It's not her fight. She'd just be there as moral support and an extra set of hands, which really doesn't work for her character arc at all and is completely unfair to her!
Basically, it would just be Chat Noir temporarily acting as the main character and having the worst time of his life in the most un-cathartic battle for him possible left completely traumatized with Ladybug in the background awkwardly trying to comfort him after the fact? And then the season ends? And then the next season presumably goes back to Ladybug being the main character? After a time-skip to the new school year? It's just an ending that I feel like is a lot better in theory than actually on paper. And you can probably make an argument for ways that it could be made to work, where it would enhance Ladybug's story in a meaningful way where she still feels like the main character, and would somehow be triumphant for Chat Noir despite it probably being the worst moment of his life, and somehow not make the rest of the series following feel like bonus content as opposed to a continuation of the story...... but, I dunno. I think it's a lot easier said than done.
The fact of the matter is, I've always been waaayyyy more interested in how the aftermath of Gabriel's defeat affects Adrien than the battle itself. Post-Hawkmoth defeat is one of my favorite types of fic for a reason, and it's because the aftermath can be so juicy, especially for Adrien as a character. I think whether or not Adrien is actually there in the battle itself has always been kind of irrelevant to me, because no matter how Gabriel is defeated, his defeat will have immense repercussions on Adrien's life going forward. And the way they did it, Marinette is now a part of it in a more active way, too. Which is good for her character!
( Also, if he was there to triumphantly defeat Gabriel, would that mean he would just.... watch his father die? of cataclysm? a-and.... nathalie would just.... die, too? so he'd have three dead parents after all that? who he watched all die (or, in emilie's case, saw her corpse)? or is this a scenario where MONARCH BEATS CHAT NOIR and still makes the wish? is that cathartic? for Adrien to lose to Gabriel? Frankly, I loved seeing Gimmi and The Wish, it's been teased for so long that I was expecting it, and I loved the fact that Nathalie got to live as her narrative reward for coming to her senses and trying to murder Gabriel with a crossbow. I like that we got to watch a full season of Gabriel painfully dying to a cataclysm— poetically inflicted on him by Adrien, but of Gabriel's own doing. I like that Nathalie has presumably adopted Adrien after having an arc of her trying to be a parent to him once she realized nobody else would, that's so much more interesting than any other alternative. I just don't see how all of these things, some of my favorite things that season 5 gave, can still all exist at once with Chat Noir present in the final battle in any way that's satisfying. )
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So what exactly is stopping Gabe from just saying that Nathalie aided him with his schemes?
Her calling him a liar? Where's his proof? It's his word against hers and HE'S the one who got caught with magical tools that helped him terrorize Paris for almost a year, while she, as far as the public knows, is just another victim of Hawkmoth, having her moment of weakness exploited, and has been nothing but cooperative in the aftermath. She handed over the grimoire, after all~ 🙃
Even if she's looked into, what will they find? If there was footage of her in his lair becoming Jackal or even footage of her returning to hide the Peacock, you think she wouldn't have access to that footage and wouldn't have removed it? She could even make a sentimonster to fake footage of her being akumatized into Catalyst! This is outside the scope of a police investigation.
Honestly, Gabriel can shout until he's purple in the face that she was an accomplice, but as long as she denies it and there's nothing to support that theory, who would believe him?
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I generally avoid forming any solid opinions on what happens in shows until they end because almost always you're not going to have all of the context to fully understand the intent behind the writing until later episodes or even right until the end. And I think a lot of people are forgetting that miraculous ladybug isn't over, that was not the end.
But yeah I'm inclined to agree with you.
It does feel to me that it was ladybug/Marinette fighting hawkmoth and Chat Noir / Adrien was supporting Ladybug (note that him being in more of a support role absolutely does not mean they aren't equal partners), so it makes sense that it would be ladybug who defeats hawkmoth in the end, and now the roles will reverse and the focus will be on Marinette supporting Adrien in his conflict with Gabriel.
I also think that aside from the more outward conflict marinette had with hawkmoth and Adrien with Gabriel, it's also about their conflicts with themselves. I think being ladybug taught Marinette confidence and to confront her fears (might be over simplifying that but if I think on it too much I'm going to forget what I'm trying to say here), and Adrien's has and will be about learning autonomy and standing up for himself (again, might be over simplifying/ missing something, but my brain is turning to mush rn).
I'm not sure how Adrien's conflict with his dad will play out seeing as Gabe is dead, I seriously doubt it's going to be a literal confrontation with him (though who knows with some of the craziness happening in the show), but I do think it will be about learning and coming to terms with who his dad really was and what he did and why. I imagine Adrien's conflict with him self will partly be represented with the whole him being a sentibeing thing.
I think that wraps up what I wanted to say here (and a bit more than I originally intended).
I will say as a side note, yes I can understand the disappointment over Chat Noir / Adrien not being in the final battle and all the angst that comes with it, but there is a mountain of fanfiction where that confrontation happens, and I do fully believe we will get that confrontation in canon, it just won't be during a physical battle with hawkmoth, and Gabe won't be there to see the full impact of his actions (which I do find frustrating because dammit I want him to see and to suffer, but that's nothing against the writing of the show).
Okay there was a time where I would've asked you to please shoot me in the face if I ever made a post overanalyzing this show, but let me just offer my interpretation of the writers' decision to leave Adrien out of the final fight, because personally I thought it was a very good, very impactful decision. You are more than welcome to disagree with me, but please, I beg of you to disagree with me after actually understanding my logic here.
There are two heroes of the show. Marinette/Ladybug and Adrien/Cat Noir. There were two central conflicts of the show. The heroes' fight against Hawk Moth, and Adrien's conflict with his dad. The cool thing about this show is that one man, Gabriel Agreste, serves as the antagonist for both of these conflicts. He is the supervillain the heroes are fighting. He is also the bad father Adrien is growing up with. This made for some prime dramatic irony in the show.
But just because the antagonist is the same in these two conflicts doesn't mean these two conflicts are connected. Yeah, I know they're connected because of Adrien's mom and whatnot, but up until the very final moments of this arc, the heroes did not know this.
Remember that first conflict I mentioned? The heroes' fight with Hawk Moth? Ever since the start of the show, that has primarily been Marinette's battle. She was the hero who bore the brunt of this conflict. She was the hero who cared more about it. This was Marinette's conflict, so she was the one to end it.
The reason Adrien wasn't there for the final fight is because that was Marinette's fight. Hawk Moth was Marinette's fight. And Gabriel Agreste is Adrien's fight. And just because Gabriel Agreste is dead, doesn't mean Adrien's conflict is over.
So no, I don't think Marinette being there by herself was just a "gotta have the cute bugnoire outfit ~uwu~" decision (though the writers may have seen the cute bugnoire outfit as a bonus), I think it was an impactful decision because the Hawk Moth conflict was Marinette's conflict and it was pretty symbolic to have Marinette fuse the ladybug and black cat miraculouses, seeing as that was the main goal of her nemesis for the entire show.
I liked that Marinette was by herself in the end. It signaled her growth as a hero. She started this arc lacking confidence and relying on reassurance from Cat Noir, and ended it able to defeat the antagonist herself and even offering him help.
If you think Cat Noir should have been there, ask yourself two things: "Would Adrien have gotten any catharsis at all from this fight?" and "Did I want Adrien there just because I wanted the angst of seeing my blorbo going through it?"
#maybe we'll get more alternate timeline episodes and get to see these scenarios play out without it impacting the plot#a little fan service if you will#sentimonster adrien#ml season 5#ml season 5 spoilers#ml spoilers#ml#miraculous ladybug#adrien agreste#marinette dupen chang#chat noir#ladybug#hawkmoth#gabriel agreste#ml theory#ml thoughts
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I really want to know how the peacock miraculous got damaged in the first place because dosen't it say that in the show that a miraculous is practically indestructible unless someone cataclysms it, Bunnix said that is how her miraculous got damaged and she was stuck in stone and then in Sentibubbler ladybug asks Cat Noir to cataclysm the miraculous because it's not possible to break it otherwise so how did the peacock miraculous get damaged? Plus the butterfly miraculous got lost with the peacock so why wasn't it damaged too? Really doesn't make sense.
A possible theory could be that duusu was stuck some object and someone transformed while she was stuck which ended up damaging the miraculous, In roggercop Plagg got his head stuck in Chloe's bracelet and said that Adrien can't transform into Cat Noir as it would fuse with him and damage his powers, but it never clarified if it would just mess with the powers as a one time thing while plagg is stuck or damage the miraculous completely. Assuming that it is the later and that is how the peacock miraculous got damaged, Who was it that used it? Gabriel found the two miraculous and the grimiore together in Tibet so whoever used and damaged the peacock miraculous just kinda left everything there?
#adrien agreste#marinette dupain cheng#miraculous ladybug#gabriel agreste#hawkmoth#miraculous fan theory
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You know what I miss? I miss being 15 and being excited for miraculous ladybug to premiere. I miss laying in bed reading cute marichat fanfiction. I miss when we would make theories on who hawkmoth was because we didn't want to believe Gabriel was bad even though we all knew. I miss when Lila wasn't a big deal. I miss when Chloe was just a bully but was doing better. I miss when marinette wasn't so stressed, and Alya didn't know she was ladybug. Take me back to when I was young and happy, to when the fanfiction was cute and fluffy and sweet instead of sad and angsty. And centered around Lila. To when I read so much fanfiction, I was actually caught up on the tag because I was reading the fanfiction before the show even aired. I want to feel that again
#my post#miraculous ladybug#marinette dupan cheng#adrien agreste#chat noir#alya cesaire#lila rossi#marichat#ignore my rant
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I can totally imagine Lila ( as Ladymoth ) revealing to Adrien that his father was Hawkmoth to try and get him akumatized, but he transforms into Chat Noir and destroys this statue instead.
Just like how he almost cataclysmed the Christmas tree in the Christmas Special, but this time he'll have no regrets destroying this statue of a fake good person who never even existed in the first place. 😃��
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Now for a silly, self indulgent post
Since S1 of Miraculous Ladybug, people in the fandom have been wondering about the Agrestes. Not just all the obvious things to worry about, but like-
In S1, Simon Says ep, we got a look at the Agreste mansion security, and it was... Strange. Sure, Gabriel Agreste is a paranoid man, and (S1 voice) if he's Hawkmoth then it makes a little more sense. But. Adrien hasn't been allowed to go to school, ever, and the reason Gabriel gave in Origins about why not? Security. Years and years of not Hawkmoth, but he's (S1 voice) (and also his mom maybe) still worried about it. So what got him/them so paranoid?
S2 made this worse. Yes, he's Hawkmoth, he has an evil lair that he access through a Tube, and he's got freaking missiles in the lair. This isn't even getting into his Basement. We also saw he had the Peacock miraculous. A lot of people who figured out Gabriel and Emilie had been using the Miraculous before, and wondered for what purpose (Senti Adrien theories wouldn't come until one of the last S3 episodes, Ladybug). And it was this big idea, back then, that they were threatened by... Something. Some manner of enemies, that could hurt them, and that they had been so careful with their son because they were scared of them.
Now, eventually, the fandom moved on from those theories, and eventually forgot them.
But not me.
Since 2015 I have had the deep, unwavering belief that there was a much bigger threat than Gabriel. That something terrible was going to come for our protagonists if Gabriel was ever defeated, or even if he won. That Hawkmoth existing put a limit to this secret evil, but if he was gone, or stopped being evil, then They (whoever this mysterious threat was) would come for our heroes.
And now it's 2025. And.

So to me?

#Miraculous Ladybug#ML spoilers#El Toro de Piedra#Gabriel Agreste#Emilie Agreste#Adrien Agreste#My post#ten years... it's finally paid off...
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I have a head canon/theory that only wielders who have received Kwagatamas can be accessed through Reunion. Like say if Marinette hadn't gotten a Kwagatama, Alya wouldn't be able to access her because she wouldn't have officially gotten added to "the records" of the Ladybug Miraculous.
This would probably result in a loss of information in-universe but I don't care. I don't want any Holder of any Miraculous being able to access the bitchy villains like Gabriel who never got Kwagatamas and don't deserve to. Actually....that's a valid reason why the Guardians would even impose that rule. They can filter what past Holders the current Holder can get access to.
Or maybe there's even a Guardian spell specifically for erasing... unsavory holders so future ones don't follow their path. Hey in-universe reasons don't have to be smart, just plausible due to what the Order is like.
And if this exists in-universe, then there's a plausible reason Marinette can use to explain to Alya why she didn't just use Reunion to discover who Hawkmoth was.
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