#Jason Todd: thread ;

[pipiezexal]

actually now that i'm thinking about it, every time DC or fanon woobifies Tim into a teary-eyed pushove or denies us the fact that Tim was originally only like 2-3 years younger than Jason, they're denying us So Much. Every single conflict between the two gets 10 times funnier when you hold this. This isn't "the big scary Jason" and "the anxious Tim" it's "Jason and Tim, who in another world would've been the very angry debate team co-club leaders and Tim will be playing Devil's advocate"

[grace-of-gotham]

Closed starter for @jp-todd-rp

It was Monique's persistence that had gotten Grace to agree to go in the end. Under new management, she had said, promising a good night. And with finals looming, Grace was in sore need of a night off.

The Iceberg Lounge. Not somewhere Grace had made a habit of going, given the rumours surrounding Cobblepot. But with him seemingly out of the picture for now, Grace had relented, making the effort to dress up for a good night. It didn't take much for her to let her hair down, a few drinks in, moving her body to the loud music filling the spaces between the bodies.

[verified-villain-fxcker]

IF THEY DONT WANT ME TO FUCK THE VILLAIN THEN THEY NEED TO STOP MAKING THEM FUCKING HOT!!!!!!!

[jesamnelovelace]

This guy is supposed to be a dc editor?? What the heck is this

[yvtro]

https://at.tumblr.com/scintillyyy/ah-thank-you-for-the-correction-you-are-correct/nwppbs9d8f1g

That whole thread really highlight how lonely Jason's Robin run was. Honestly it makes me sad how he didn't have many friends back then compare to others. He had Eddie but even then dc forget about them.

i don't really agree with lots of points in this thread, mainly because of tim exceptionalism (or the main character complex, whatever you want to call it) + it assumes that things that happened pretty much only because of jason's death would still occur.

having said so, i do agree that jason's robin run was (in a way) incredibly lonely!

now, personally i don't think that jason noticed it much, but that's part of the problem. i have touched upon it briefly in my other posts about vigilante/civilian identity (look: here, for example), and i think it's worth to make a quick comparison of pre-crisis vs post-crisis jay.

so, tldr, pre-crisis jason is shown to have a whole life at school, he has friends and even a romantic interest. post-crisis jason has none of that. we see him working for an extra credit at school, but if i recall it right (might have been a pre-crisis story retroactively included in canon though) the only time we actually see him *in* school is when he thinks about how he would like to join the theatre but doesn’t have time for that because of robin responsibilities. we don’t see him having any social life outside of robin, but also as a member of the community he doesn’t have anyone close his age. his cameo in titans is very dear to me, and you know, as a person with siblings i will tell you, you can absolutely be friends with your older brother’s friends, but we don’t ever see him developing a lasting bond with any of them (which is also because he died quite soon after that. i’m not saying that donna, for example, didn’t care about him, but i don’t think they had a chance to grow very close).

there's eddie, sure, but even that relationship is that of penpals, and by the time jason comes back from the dead, eddie is completely retconned, so it's safe to assume that in the current continuity they have never known each other at all.

i'm not going to comment on dc trying to sell the concept of roy and jay being childhood friends in n52.

so i’m thinking, you can make an argument about how jason knows little besides vigilantism, but i believe there’s an additional layer to how even his “nightlife” (debatable term btw, we see robin jay operating in daylight along with batman all the time but i guess that was a whole another era) focuses pretty much on bruce and no one else. he really doesn’t know much beyond batman and robin.

and it obviously wasn't really the writers' intention, i bet it's mostly the result of the fact that they weren't really interested in exploring his character much, but jay's world is so very narrow and centres around bruce. and i can see how bruce wouldn't really see any problem in it at first, because (while it's not really canon, as there's a time skip and we don't even get to see how he settles into the manor, nor much of his training period) it is safe to assume that it took some time for jay to gain bruce's trust and to get used to a role of a child (since he was used to fending for himself/presumably being briefly a caretaker for his mother before). so when the kid finally learns that he can depend on bruce and actively seeks him out, that's great. it took so much to coax him into allowing to be cared for, now the issue is solved. (wrong.)

i think it really puts post-resurrection jay's mentality in perspective (even if winick did not intend it this way; he clearly had no interest in jay's 80s characterisation). of course jason's anger, disappointment, and feelings of betrayal focus on bruce; bruce was everything he had. at this stage, he doesn't know much beside him, and being robin.

and i don't think that jason then was quite aware that he was lonely. he had his dad, which was the most important thing for him for a while, he had alfred. dick might not have been home much, but their interactions we got to see were meaningful, and flashbacks (such as the famous ski trip) suggest that they did spend more time together. babs was around. he probably made so many brief connections with gothamites in his time as robin too.

it all becomes a problem when jason grows. when he can't see a line between being a robin and a son, and looks for another parental figure, and he doesn't have anyone to talk to about it. everyone he has a lasting relationship with is part of the family that he worries he doesn't belong to, so he just resolves to find someone new to depend on.

it becomes a problem when he digs himself out of grave, and later comes back to gotham, and there's such a limited number of people he can (or could, if he wanted) turn to.

i also believe that even if the plot of 'a death in the family' never occured, the fact that he went from a hyper-independent parentified child to someone who spends most of his time with his dad or alone (and i don't think he minded alone time all that much at first) would backfire otherwise. i'm joking, but at this point there probably would be some separation anxiety, on both sides.

i just wish i could grip jay with bbq tongs and put him in east gotham to allow him to stay in touch with his community. of course he probably was around there as robin a lot, but as a civilian? i doubt it.

[ravenlocksentwisted]

There was a Reddit thread earlier this month asking for unpopular opinions about Jason Todd.

So of course, the thread itself and the top rated comment/replies are all

Let 👏 Jason 👏 be a 👏 crimelord

[fanaticalthings]

In light of the whole Judd "Yes, Jason Todd cries during sex" Winick thing, it reminded me of back in August of last year when Winick basically confirmed that Jason was bi:

The interview transcript:

This is the gif Winick responded with:

Translation: Yes, he's totally bi

What I'm trying to say is: Judd Winick is clearly the superior Jason Todd writer. sorry scott lobdell

[shefatalesarch]

HE UNDERSTOOD HER AND SHE UNDERSTOOD HIM. at least she thought so. she cared about jason but she also had a job to do and she hoped he would understand, hell maybe even help her. but the titans, they felt it to be some kind of overreaction, which it wasn’t. her father had to go down, and she had every intention of being the one to do it. as she leaned her head back and then turned towards him her brow raised and she stared at him down, even with one eye she could make for a hell of a glare. “i’m doing this with or without your help jason.” she stressed as she turned back to the sword which she pushed into the sheath and then moved to look over the uniform she had for herself.

@heartsapclypse ♥ for a starter from rose wilson for jason todd

[hauntingblue]

Mmmm..... joker and jason both having the special power of dying but somehow always coming back. The cycle or whatever

[grace-of-gotham]

Closed starter for @jp-todd-rp

"I have two things to say." Grace announced as they finished breakfast. They both had a rare day off in the run up to christmas and damnit she intended to make the most of it.

Dressed warmly to fight the chill that her appartment couldn't quite keep out, she reached for the package that she had hidden behind the couch. "First of all, I have something for you."

She had seen the yarn on sale the week before and a few reasonably quiet nightshifts at the hospital had given her the chance to make the thick crimson hat and mittens set. Grace felt pretty confident he would like them.

[sunsoaked-living-blog]

One of the funniest Tim Drake fanfics has got to be

https://archiveofourown.org/series/1375465

Tim is so Gen Z unhinged it is absolutely delightful.

My favorite scene has got to be the end of chapter 7, when Jason and Tim text after the CoO Twitter thread. Tim’s response to this DAY still cracks me up

[vigilantesx]

open to; tops, verse muse; ja.son to.dd

   “you gonna just stand there and stare, or are you gonna come over here and let me play with that big dick of yours?”

[godblooded]

(X)

the little (big) bird hops onto her bike—yes, she’s had it for more than five minutes, it belongs to her— and she revs it once, twice, absolutely purring with glee at the sound. when selina laughs it’s full-bodied and bright, a sound few hear so lovingly. plenty have died with only that sound reverberating off the walls. she’s always wondered what that fear was like, right before the real version of the end.

she turns her head enough to leave a kiss on his cheek that imprints a scarce smudge of ruby lipstick. more than half the city would die for the closeness, but the familial warmth that lina inadvertently radiates is undeniable.

“ love you, jaybird. i will always lie when you want to drive the cycle without daddy’s permission. i mean. for fun. ”

vibrance isn’t the word. vivaciousness. incredible light. for someone morbid as hell, that lifts in the presence of her family. it’s the desire to be better; to emulate a behavior that she was denied in her youth. if she’s an asshole to her nieces and nephews, to holls, you should be concerned it might not exactly be the cat. she liberally hands out the get out of jail free cards in those cases, normally.

“ you know the drill: hands and feet inside the ride at all times. and it’s pretty chill right now, as far as i’ve known on the scene, so it should be okay to be hanging around with me. — i was thinking we start with batburger and then decide from there. how ‘bout it, jay? ”

the potential for the game is always afoot, or whatever that sherlock thing he talked about means.

[snoopyswirlss]

hc that during prides for gotham or metropolis the justice league appear in their special rainbow suits

[nrth-wind-a]

cont. II @desmuerte 

Tim snorted, following him inside. “I didn’t bring any bugs of my own, but if you think any of the others managed somehow...” 

He sighed, taking a seat at the room’s desk, pulling his knees up to his chest after kicking off his shoes. He was in civvies: a grey Gotham Knights tee, jeans, and a new green flannel, the source of which Tim would not admit, even to Jason. “Cause, uh... yeah. No one is happy about it. And you know how they get sometimes. I’m pretty sure I’m not bugged, but since we’re both in the doghouse...” 

He shrugged, eyes trained on the hotel carpet. “Which is... stupid. Because I know I shouldn’t be... doing this. I know it compromises me. But, god, Jay, I--” He stopped. “Nevermind. I dunno.” 

He was silent for a long, long moment. 

“...You would really encourage this?” 

[mctionsick]

hey, look before crossing the street, dumbass, you can’t die on me. { Roy x Jason }

Jason’s nose was in a book as Roy pulled him by his sweatshirt hood back up onto the curb.  “Been there done that,” he replies without missing a beat.  He places the book beneath his arm so he has both hands free to attach to Roy, tugging his close by his jacket.  “Careful Harper.  I might think you like me or something.”  He says to the man he’s been dating for a year.