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wickedpact · 5 years ago
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i feel like we’ve absolutely had this conversation before but i can’t be bothered to actually check if we have- but there’s So Much “nicky isn’t good with words” content (and like, i don’t completely hate it in uses of maybe aus where nicky hasn’t been alive for nearly 1,000 years) but the thing is is that canonically, we’ve seen nicky be scary good with words. like i will die on the nicolò “acts of service to show love” di genova hill. but that doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how to use his words!! he might not say as much but when he does speak there is a certain... weight behind his words? he says things with a purpose and a meaning. even if it may seem he’s saying something casually, there’s so much behind it??? but again, i’m just working with the movie as my source, and we only saw a very uhh?? brief bit of their lives so really we need a sequel to explore all this more. - 2ta
you 🤝 the same fucking braincell 🤝 me
when we were talking about nicky being both reserved and Not Reserved like.. idk a couple weeks ago i Almost made another post that i typed up at like 3 in the morning and then saved as a draft (bc it was three in the morning ofc)
i never posted it but it was like the same fucking thing you just said. like. nicky is not only good with words and good at expressing himself, but i also think of him as pretty social
like tldr
1. nicky is, like you said, Good at talking 2 ppl. Scary good. there are multiple instances through the movie of nicky shutting someone The Fuck Up via just talking to them a little. i mean in the train scene he gets andy (ANDY!!! stubborn andy!!) and book (BOOK!!! the guy who greatly benefits if they dont go after another immortal!!) to concede to his point abt nile after saying like 3 sentences to them. he strikes kozak speechless. he makes merrick run scared from his own lab. nickys GOOD with words and good at expressing himself and good at talking to people & good at making people agree with him, even if they wont admit it
2. i think its kind of pointed that in the scene where he says hello to the little girl in s. sudan, hes in the back of the group? like, we’re shown andy, book, and joe all passing the sudanese people without saying a word. nicky is the only one who greets them, despite the fact that it wouldve been hardly rude to not to.
so hes not only good with words, but hes also social. he says hi to strangers he passes in the street. tho a lot of interpretations of joe and nicky have joe being the social one and nicky being the introverted/awkward/shy one, i actually think of nicky as the more social between the two, and honestly maybe even the most social of the group. book and andy dont exactly strike me as gushing extroverts
altho i have to admit i think of them all at least slightly extroverted (i mean joe at least was a merchant. theres no way he could be Bad with people). i just think of nicky as just a little Bit More social
like. consider a diagram i made like 3 weeks ago
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theyre both social. nickys just. a little more.
3. ik weve all talked endlessly abt nicky being a priest but like... being a priest is a social job. idk how Priesthood(TM) has changed between now and the 1000s but i doubt that particular facet has changed. priests are involved in their community. the whole point of being a priest is talking to people. i assume nicky chose to be a priest, thus his chosen career was a social one that involves talking to people as a core aspect.
& i agree that its definitely up in the air regarding whether younger nicky/ au nicky would be social/good at expression or not. However it always feels silly when joe is like.. the same exact guy circa 1100 as he is in 2020 but nicky is radically different in terms of how he expresses himself and his social habits. same goes for aus.
i mean. at the end of the day, im not the fandom police, and i dont ever wanna give off the impression that im like.. trying to tell fic authors what to write bc i get thats annoying as hell.
(and i mean i get it. nicky talks softly, doesnt have Marwan Kenzari’s Expressive Eyebrows, and is shown to be a bit of a bookworm. shy/introvert!nicky is a easy conclusion 2 come to. i simply Dont agree with it)
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emjee · 5 years ago
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Rating: E Archive Warnings: No archive warnings apply Relationship: Joe | Yusuf al-Kaysani/Nicky | Nicolo di Genova Tags: dirty talk, plot what plot/porn without plot, porn with feelings, loving established adventure marriage, fucking through the centuries Summary: Honing your dirty talk skills across the centuries because sometimes words of affirmation are also acts of service: the Nicolò di Genova story.
many thanks to @lgbtmazight, whose tags on a post served as the inspiration for this fic, and to @gallifreyburning, whose tags on a different post served as the inspiration for the final scene.
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youknowwhoiamassbutt · 4 years ago
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How The Old Guard Characters Express Love
Nile: Acts of service, quality time, words of affirmation.
Andy: Acts of service.
Nicky: Gifts, physical touch.
Joe: Words of affirmation.
Booker: Has no love, ONLY SADNESS! (JK. Quality time).
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historic-old-guard-lover · 5 years ago
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What do you think the old guards’ love language is for showing love and receiving love ? ( Though we all know Nicky shows love through acts of service )
What a fun ask, Anon! I’m going to answer based on the film.
Lykon is “acts of service”. It’s clear from the surprise of Andy and Quynh that he didn’t tell them that he had become mortal. Since I’d like to think that he noticed, not wanting to worry them screams this to me. My man really said “better to literally die than worry my family” and I can respect that.
Andy is “words of affirmation”. Remember when they’re locked in the dungeon together awaiting death via fire? Andy seeks out conversation and Quynh, the Love of Her Life, gives her what she needs: “Just you and me.” “Until the end.” I’d also like to think that’s why Joe wheedles at the beginning of the film (”Admit it boss, you missed us.”) because he knows that verbalizing her love is her love language.
Quynh is “physical touch”. If Andy is “words of affirmation,” I think that Quynh must be the reason that they cuddle by the fire and stay close to each other; she seems like a very tactile person. Also, it brings a whole new level of intimacy to the jump onto Andy’s horse in the flashback. There’s incredible trust, sure, but also love and reassurance.
Joe is “physical touch”. We all saw that bear hug he gave Andy in the beginning, complete with his “happy growl” (or “playful growl” I think in some subtitles). His leg in the one slotted in between Nicky’s at the Charlie safehouse, not the other way around. Also, he’s the big spoon: he definitely is the one who initiated their cuddling.
Booker is “receiving gifts”. How does Andy, the oldest and wisest of the Old Guard in the film, show her affection to her little French brother? By giving him a book. He clearly loves that she thought of him in that way. It also make’s Copley’s remark that Booker and he intended the research to be a “gift to humanity” that much more tragic. Booker was genuinely so lost in his self-loathing that even his acts of love get all twisted (note: this is because I subscribe to the opinion he didn’t intend for them to be captured, just “donate” samples at the kill-floor).
Nile is “quality time”. I swear it’s not just because she’s the youngest. It’s because when she is being excluded by her friends (which would REALLY hurt if quality time is her language), she looks over her memories via photos before leaving those behind. She takes what she needs inside herself at all times: precious memories. It also adds a beautiful note to her discuss with Andy at the end about how she’ll spend her “time [she’s] got left” “with us”. She’s warning Andy right then and there that she already (platonically) loves her chaotic God-complexed disaster mentor.
Oh, and they all share one love language: murder.
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beautifulhigh · 5 years ago
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Joe & Nicky: an essay
As reposting is bad I will just link to two image sets that I used for reference in this essay. Consider this my bibliography.
Source 1: a gif set of Nicky's resurrection by user @kirkmcoy
Source 2: an image set of Joe during this scene by user @stydiaeverafetr
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INTRODUCTION
The lead up to the moment has to be considered with the moment itself. They have been cornered, ambushed, surprised by Keane and his forces taking out a wall which they were using for shelter and protection – or rather, to shelter and protect Andy.
The team, the family, have recently learned that her time is going to come to an end, that she is no longer healing. The next time she dies she will not come back. They have heard the story of Lykon, they have witnessed her grief over this. They have heard about Quynh and they know that at some point? She would have – or will – drown for the last time. All of Quynh's deaths used up at the bottom of the cold ocean.
Death is a thing that has come into their lives in a way that it hadn't previously for our immortals. They have had a reminder of their history and their limitations as they initiated Nile. More specifically Joe and Nicky have been held and experimented on, possibly watched the other pushed beyond the point of death if not to it. They have watched pieces of the other be cut out and they will have watched as those wounds knitted back together, I suggest with relief rather than expectation.
Joe and Nicky have felt the crux of Booker's betrayal: I saw a Tumblr post which said that their anger was justified (as explained in this post by Tumblr user @grizviser​ ) because it was they who suffered and they who watched the person who was "all and more" to them suffer, and I have to agree. I feel that of the five of them they were the ones who understood Merrick's cruel and amoral intentions and plans best of all. They saw it, first-hand. Nicky watched as Joe was stabbed purely for Merrick's own tangible confirmation and as Kozak saw nothing but glory and recognition ("What do you see?" // "The Nobel Prize.") instead of something that was a part of them, a gift they had been given for whatever reason, a gift that had allowed them to, as Nicky said at the start of the film, "do some good".
They have never sought glory or fame or riches. In fact they have actively tried to keep out of the public eye, actively sought to be the 'ghost in the crowd'. When Andy admonished Booker, telling him "We don't do repeats" we understand why. When Booker tells Nile that touching people's lives means they get to know your secrets, we understand why. Theirs is a transient life out of necessity for those around them, not because they are keen to protect what they have but because they know that it will be the best outcome for all: and yes, that includes themselves.
Another Tumblr post (by user @of-scythia​ ) stated that Nicky can be defined as Acts of Service: he still asks about the girls in the aftermath of the Kill Floor. He pushes for them to seek out Nile because he remembers and he knows she is "more alone than she has ever been". He doesn't want her to be alone, he doesn't want her to be scared, not when they have answers and they can help. This is, on a smaller scale maybe, doing the good he wanted to do at the start of the film. He sleeps as the little spoon, putting himself between Joe and any outside harm. When they wake after Nile's nightmare the slight curving of Nicky's shoulder almost leans his torso back, providing further coverage for Joe. Luca's subtle shift in his body screams Nicky's heart and feelings for Joe.
In the same post Joe was defined as Words of Affirmation: he will tell you and he will show you how he feels. He takes the lead in answering Nile's questions with additions from Nicky and Booker, he subtly flirts with Nicky over the table. He has the whole Van Speech (which I will come to later) and the head touch to reassure Nicky. When the four of them are in the lab together he is the one shouting at Booker for his betrayal while Nicky tries to calm him, he's happy for Book to be the 'man left behind' against Nile's determination that they are all leaving. Because of Booker the man that Joe loves suffered, possibly died in the gas attack, had pieces of him carved out. He is angry. He is angry not only at the betrayal but that they were exposed to this risk and pain – "Just because we can't die doesn't mean we stop hurting" as Booker said – they are immortal, they are not invulnerable.
They both refer to Andy as "Boss" but there is love there. This is a found family, she is a part of that. A very big part of that. She is the one who leads them, guides them. "I always go first" tells us exactly what the structure is here. She is, for want of a familial phrase, the mother of the group. And now their mother is dying, will die. Joe and Nicky have had centuries with her and almost as long with each other (I assume that they did not meet Andy right after meeting each other on the battle fields) and the only other constant in their life is going to be taken away. They have not had time to process this, what with being more concerned with their own survival and escape. An escape that was in motion when the wall was blown in.
In this essay I will analyse and explore the few seconds of Nicky's death and resurrection and Joe's reaction to it in order to explore the depth and nuances of the relationship. I intend to illustrate how the acting and framing choices reveal layers to the relationship and how this ties into the found family of the Old Guard as well as the in-world premise of the impermanent immortality.
THE FIGHT
When the wall is blown in they are separated. Andy, Nile, and Booker move out, leaving Joe and Nicky in the smoke-filled room. Keane has an advantage with his gas mask and, as Nicky is getting to his feet, he is kicked and beaten back down. Joe intervenes, the two of them working to remove Keane's mask in an attempt to level the playing field. At nearly 1000 years old each Joe and Nicky have a wide range of fighting skills but so does Keane. He knows the terrain, he's not dealing with the shocked senses that would have come from the explosion, and his exposure to the gas is only recent. This allows him to work on the one who is attacking him, taking them out before moving to the next.
Joe and Nicky's actions after that first kick are all focused on protecting the other, on getting Keane off them, away from them, but also on giving the others time to get away. This is a battle that needs to be fought in the here and now, not a moving one like when they stalked the corridors looking for a way out. They are all contained in this location and there has to be a resolution to this fight in the here and now.
It's when Keane is able to get Nicky onto his back, wind him with a knee in the stomach and force him to gasp, that Keane is afforded the chance to get out and regroup with his men. The gun is placed in Nicky's mouth and the trigger pulled. He knows that death isn't going to stop Nicky – unless this is the last death and in that case it really is a solution – but it will slow him and Joe down because, as the van and the examination will have proven, these two men are in love and so Joe's concern will be for the fallen Nicky rather than Keane's escape. He forces Joe into a moment of grief and fear that is more stalling and stunning than anything else that could be thrown his way.
Which leads us to the scene.
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REACTION
Joe is a little distance from Nicky when it happens. We are focused narratively on the interaction between Keane and Nicky so we do not see what Joe saw in that moment, what his initial reaction and expression was, as our focus remains on Nicky's death. It isn't the first time we've seen him die but this time he does it alone and Joe has to watch. The reaction to this moment tells us that Joe has a healthy respect for death. He doesn't assume that they will come back the next time, he doesn't take for granted that they will heal up and all will be OK.
The Muslim view of death holds the idea that at the moment of dying the angel of death (Malk al-Maut) appears to take their souls. While Nicky is not Muslim but rather of Christian origins in any beliefs he may still hold, Joe's view will have roots in this faith. He may still have a belief in there being an afterlife but the idea that death is a 'sleep' until resurrection is an interesting concept in line of the Old Guard's abilities.
If you are to take this idea to the media meta then that means the angel of death is with the team now, something that will have been brought to the fore of Joe's mind upon learning that Andy will die. They are fighting their way out of the building; they have all taken bullets to protect her. But this will have been done with the knowledge and understanding that it will only take one, well aimed shot, for it all to be over.
The Mesopotamian tale, 'Appointment in Samarra', reflects on the idea that you cannot outrun or avoid death. The servant, upon seeing Death in the marketplace who makes a gesture towards him, begs his master to let him ride to Samarra so as not to be at home that night when Death comes for him. The master sends him off and goes to the marketplace to ask Death what the gesture was. It was surprise at seeing the servant at home in Baghdad as Death has an appointment with him tonight in Samarra.
The Quran states that "Death is inevitable. No matter how much people try to escape death, it will reach everyone" (50:19). Nicky had a similar approach in the lab – "If it is Andromache's time nothing you can do will stop it". Death is a very real thing for them and they will not know which death will be their last. If Andy had died in the church then that would have been the first realisation of her mortality just as Lykon's wound was the first for his. Andy has been afforded a gift that they did not expect: she learned through injury that she will no longer heal again. In the escape up to this point they have all been shot in places that would normally be fatal but since they do not know why they cannot die they have no way of knowing when it will end: Andy died in South Sudan, she could have died in France. One bullet to the next. Joe has no way of knowing if this bullet would be Nicky's last, would be the moment that his body doesn't heal.
What if the angel of death was not with them for Andy? What if it was there for Nicky?
Joe's reaction is instinctual, borne of emotion rather than rationality. Although having said that I have already discussed how and why they are not rational when it comes to their deaths because they rationally know that it can end without warning. And as Keane makes his escape Joe moves to Nicky's body (because it is a body at this stage) on his hands and knees. He doesn't care about exposure or protection; he's not interested in Keane's escape or who may be nearby. This is both effective at moving across the short space more efficiently but it also has elements of reverence as Joe kneels by Nicky's head.
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THE FIRST BEAT
"All that is on earth will perish." (55:26)
Joe will literally be kneeling in Nicky's blood – and fragments of skull and brain. Exit wounds are not small and a close-range head shot will not be tidy. Joe's focus remains on the upturned face which would have no visible sign of damage or the brutal after effect of a bullet's exit. In many ways Nicky will look like he is sleeping – both can be viewed in the context of the Muslim view on death (awaiting in hope a literal resurrection) and the more Western concept of death as a 'big sleep'.
In his position of leaning over Nicky's face Joe is placing his weight on his hands but moves one to a near touch of Nicky's face. This is an intimate touch, one of gentleness and affection. He pulls back before actually reaching Nicky's skin – this could be out of fear but it could more easily be explained by the overwhelming nature of having to watch Nicky die and to be alive and breathing while he is not.
They both died on the Kill Floor and came back at the same time. If Nicky did die as a result of the gas attack we saw Joe's response to that in the van when he wanted Nicky to wake up and so slipped to the ancient Italian that would have become Nicky's 'native' tongue –  "Nicolò, destati." – because Joe gravitates towards those he loves and so he uses a foreign language to softly implore Nicky to "wake up". It could be that Nicky is simply unconscious and Joe wants him to come to, hence the language of awareness.
Here there is no doubt: Nicky is dead. But he could still 'wake up'. We don't see the impassioned plea that we saw with Andy and Booker in the church – "You're still in this shitty game with me." – but it isn't any less emotional. Andy's desperation for Booker was more about not losing someone else, Quynh and Lykon having been brought back to the forefront of her mind (if they were ever away) and so she won't want to lose anyone else.
In this moment of Nicky's death Joe is feeling it. He is grieving in the way that we could expect even if Nicky weren't immortal, if this were any other action movie and we had just witnessed the sudden death of one of our protagonists. Joe's face is hidden somewhat by the smoke but it is a testament to Marwan's ability that it isn't just Joe's face that shows his emotion: it's his whole body too.
He is hunched over, small and crouching. There is no defiance in his posture which was evident in the Van Scene when he held the gaze of the mocking soldier (right up to the point when his gaze moved to Nicky). The shoulders are not squared but curved in. He is smaller in his physical space and it reflects how smaller his world is when Nicky is not in it.
Which brings me to a little interlude in this essay.
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THE VAN SCENE
"He's not my boyfriend. This man is more to me than you can dream. He's the moon when I'm lost in darkness and warmth when I shiver in cold. And his kiss still thrills me even after a millennia. His heart overflows with the kindness of which this world is not worthy of. I love this man beyond measure and reason. He's not my boyfriend. He's all and he's more."
Boyfriend is a term with such 'light' connotations. A boyfriend is someone you are romantically involved with, potentially physically, and there is a level of agreed commitment between you. When you move in with someone that term usually gets a promotion to 'partner' to indicate the higher level of commitment between you. Terms will give an outsider a shortcut to defining what the relationship between you and your significant other (in itself a term with meaning) is.
The definition of boyfriend is "a person's regular male companion with whom they have a romantic or sexual relationship". Companion itself means someone you spend a lot of time with.
Joe's refusal of the term "boyfriend" is because this doesn't fully express what Nicky is to him. We have never seen Joe without Nicky or vice versa. Whatever plan is formed 'Joe and Nicky' are a combined unit in it. At the start of the movie Andy and Booker are the ones flying solo, Joe and Nicky are the unit waiting to welcome them.
The connotations of being "lost in darkness" and the moon guiding you are as obvious as the image itself but it also shows the significance of Nicky to Joe. The moon waxes and wanes and for a day each 28 it is not visible. In that dark night if you are lost then there is little help for you. When the moon is at its fullest it will provide the best light and guidance and support: when Nicky is at his fullest he gives Joe the best light and guidance and support. Take him away and what happens?
Using Nicky as an analogy of warmth rather than food or water or shelter shows that Nicky's impact on Joe is to serve him when most needed, not something that has to be relied on for existence and happiness (such as food or water – that is, say it with me kids, an unhealthy relationship). Shelter makes you feel safe and so a Nicky-less Joe isn't under threat. Warmth is not always needed but when it is then it is the difference between comfort or not, life or not. In this comparison Joe is expressing that Nicky complements and supports Joe when he is not able to do it for himself and that in that moment it makes all the difference. It's not day-to-day survival with him but something more practical and less co-dependant.
First kisses are the ones that songs are written about. The thrill and the excitement of it. As time moves on and you can no longer count how many times you have kissed them they don't lose meaning or emotion but that rush? It can become a normal. It's only as things change, as relationships evolve, that kisses change. The kiss after an accepted engagement, a marriage, a revelation of pregnancy? They're going to be different to the 'Hey, how was your day?' greeting kiss of an evening. For Joe? His relationship with Nicky is constantly growing and evolving and changing. The relationship they have now is not the same relationship they had in the early 1100s, it can't be. Relationships have to grow and evolve. They are, if you will pardon the comparison, a living thing and will thrive or die under the actions of those in them.
Nicky's heart brings us back to the notion that he is Acts of Service but Joe would 100% point at the meme 'Cinnamon Roll, too good for this world' and declare "It's you!" with unrestrained joy. Nicky cares, his heart goes out to people, and Joe knows it to be the most important and precious thing about him. Joe will love him for that heart and he will protect that heart and he comments to those in the van (and on a wider scale) that Nicky is worth more than them.
So Joe loves him "beyond measure". There are no words, then or now, in any language, that can express how he feels. If it were a physical thing you could hold then you would not be able to give it a height or width or depth. There is no quantifiable volume to it. He loves Nicky "beyond reason": to Joe his feelings for Nicky take away all rationality or consideration.
Nicky watches him all through this scene, not looking away once even though Joe is focused mostly on the guard. That's intense and it can be overwhelming but Luca holds it, watching as Marwan unfolds a speech that has gotten praise from all quarters. Interviews with them have shown how Luca found it easy to be in that scene and that moment with a screen partner like Marwan and it can only be easy if you let it. We have two men who are in het relationships who are waxing lyrical about how important the relationship between Joe and Nicky is, how they worked hard to build it, how the chemistry was "easy" according to Marwan after the read with Luca. You don't get to create a relationship like that on screen without putting in the ground work and in-world you don't get a relationship like that without putting in the work too. Joe and Nicky haven't been in a relationship for over 900 years because their options were limited and they just fell in together. Love isn't borne out of circumstance (although it can grow in it): Nicky holding his gaze on Joe takes on a new level of intense – there have already been the posts and comments about how this speech is nothing new to Nicky. He knows how Joe feels about him and he feels the same about his "incurable romantic".
So no. Not a boyfriend. He's "all and he's more". Whatever limits you think you can place on love? On what one person can mean to another? Keep going.
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SECOND BEAT
Kneeling over Nicky's unmoving body, Joe looks away. His moon is gone and he is lost. He is cold. His reason is no more. We saw in the dinner scene how Joe and Nicky kept looking at each other, how they locked eyes after the Kill Floor. These two are centred on each other and in this moment Joe cannot look at Nicky because the enormity of the (possible) loss is too much. He cannot bear it.
When a Muslim dies their face should be turned right facing towards Makkah. While the geography of Merrick's building and the specific location of this room is unknown, the fact that Joe glances to his right is not. This is not Nicky's religion, this is his. This is something that he lived with, died for, all those years ago. Time may have altered his perception of religion and the influence it has on his life but in a moment of overwhelming emotion it would become instinctual.
The Muslim belief about death is that your actions will be weighed up and the good will be resurrected at what is essentially the end of days. For the Old Guard that resurrection is a sign that it is not the end of their days. The loss is still mourned but there is an understanding that the soul, the part of the person that made them who they are, is no longer in the body. The same attitude can be found in Christianity as the soul is removed from the body to 'stand' before God.
In Christianity, the often-quoted sentiment is that death reunites us with Christ but the Scriptures accept and embrace the sadness of a loss. We are encouraged to celebrate what the deceased has gained but we mourn what we have lost.
"My flesh and my heart may fail, but God is the strength of my heart and my portion of forever." (Psalm 73:26)
We know that they understand that one day their time will come and they will die. But while they live they have a strength that comes from the other. The Van Scene is clear enough on this. The two of them died together in 1099 and they have created a forever that is woven with the other. Not just in terms of their actions but also in their choices, their love, and the manner in which they have entwined their lives together. The fluid movement in which they work and fight together shows how they give strength and support to each other.
Nicky described meeting each other as "destiny" back in France and you can't tell me that he doesn't apply that same approach to his relationship with Joe. They met as enemies on the battlefield, "taught to hate" each other. When they could not exact out that hate in needless death they had to find answers together, found peace and common ground together, and that lead to love. Lasting and enduring love that has grown and changed over nearly a thousand years.
How could Joe even start to process that loss? Nicky died trying to save and protect him, he died in a place that Booker betrayed them to, he died with the knowledge that Andy was dying. His family was fracturing, pulling apart at the seams. To lose Nicky then pulls at the very core of Joe and so we see him actually turn away. His focus shifts for the first time in the movie because it is all just too much.
It doesn't last.
Joe turns back because he cannot stay looking away. It is a beat, a moment, an instance which is over and we return to the utter devotion and adoration that have been a staple since the very beginning. Joe returns to Nicky the same way the moon always returns, the same way you can look up the next night and hope to see a sliver which promises a return of the full moon to light your way.
He's still pulled in, pulling his focus to Nicky. His everything and more.
And then.
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THE GASP
"Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted." (Matthew, 5:4)
Nicky's awakening is sudden and just as violent. He gasps for air as if it is just a continuance of the moment before the gun was in his mouth. (This is an interesting concept: every regeneration has felt like a reversal of the death. The more painful or shocking the death the more painful and shocking the return.) Nicky half sits up but then lies back down, looking up at Joe who is now leaning over him.
But let's go back a second.
When Nicky wakes up Joe's body visibly relaxes. He moves up with the breath of relief and then returns to his position over Nicky's body. Again, Marwan, kudos. He made Joe seem small in those small beats and yet still had somewhere to go physically to reflect the relief that Joe feels when Nicky comes back to him. Joe's hands are placed on the floor either side of Nicky's head and the way that he leans over Nicky has so many layers it's like an ogre. I mean, an onion.
In the first instance it means that Joe is the first face that Nicky sees when he wakes up. His last image would have been Keane pushing the gun into his mouth, it would have been that face that would have been his last. Joe overwrites that memory with one of love, of relief. They are at different angles – each would look upside down – and they are on different levels but they are together. We have Islam and Catholicism, opposite ends of many a battle, but they came together then and now and all the times in between.
In the second instance Joe is protecting Nicky. He will be healing, his head may not be fully healed, so Nicky still has a vulnerability that could leave them exposed in the event of a second attack. When we see them asleep Nicky is the one protecting Joe, Nicky was the second one to shield Andy with his body against the bullets. Nicky is a protector (Acts of Service again) but in this moment he needs protecting. He needs a moment for his body, his gift, to do its thing.
He is gasping for air, he will still feel any pain or shock that he felt just before his death (as evidenced by Booker in the church), and there will be a moment of disorientation as he processes what is happening. Through it all Joe ensures he stays in Nicky's line of sight, dominating his vision, and ensuring that he is kept safe.
Both religions talk about the resurrection of the 'worthy' for want of a simpler word. Basically put, if you were good and devout and honest enough you get to come back for the eternal life in paradise part. Being somewhat immortal can be seen as an eternal life but they know it will have an end. When is the only question and is that not a question we all have? But the idea of being 'worthy' can be tied to this: if they come back then they will be able to continue to do what they have been doing. Fighting for what they believe is right and trying to do some good. In that sense the idea of coming back to this 'eternal life' can be a confirmation of this worthiness that they have as God or Allah or Whoever has deemed that they are worthy to continue this task.
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THE ARMS
In his position, Joe cannot physically touch Nicky. He is using his body as a shield and as comfort and so it falls to Nicky to make the contact. He reaches up.
To reach up for something gives connotations of something being out of reach, of having reverence for it, of gentleness and affection (you 'reach up' for someone's cheek or to brush away a hair no matter your relevant heights). It's about where your hand/arm goes from its natural position. Nicky's emotions have two layers here: internal and external.
Internally, he's here. He came back. It isn't his time this time and so he gets another day, another moment with Joe. There will be relief.
Externally, he knows what Joe has gone through. It is unclear whether Joe died in the lab – Nicky's line about "As much as I love watching you sleep, I'm glad you're awake" can be read in different ways – but even if he didn't Nicky will have the same feelings and reactions to Joe's death as we have just seen in a few seconds in Joe reacting to Nicky's. These two are in this together. So there will be love and reassurance in there too.
"Sono qui" indeed.
Nicky's hands closing around Joe's arm is a secure way of latching on to someone: you have more grip if you hold them on the arm and they you. He is holding on to Joe to ensure that Joe understands that Nicky is not leaving him, is not letting go. They hold each other's gaze for a beat, taking this moment for them. Joe's left hand has moved, clasping Nicky's arm in the same secure hold. He's not letting go either.
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"LET'S GO. ANDY."
With three words Nicky breaks the moment. There is something more important than them, than what they have been through. Nicky's heart, beating again and "overflowing with kindness" brings the focus to their friend, their leader, their sort-of-mother, and immediately they both switch into action modes. But we still see their closeness, the intimacy and affection between them, as when they leave Nicky is still coughing, still not quite breathing right. Joe, having grabbed the weapon, touches Nicky's shoulder once, gently, then takes the lead. He will make sure that Nicky is protected until he can protect himself.
Which loops me back to the Van Speech.
"The warmth when I shiver in cold."
A good relationship will be fluid and will not have fixed roles. You will move and adapt with your partner, being what they need when they need it. Some days they will need a champion, some days they will want your help. Some days they will want (need) to be left alone. You change and you grow and adapt. Nicky is Acts of Service. He cares and he protects and he puts himself between Nicky and anyone coming in to where they are at their most vulnerable. But here Nicky is the one who needs protecting, if only for the next few minutes while he recovers, and so Joe slips easily and reassuringly into the front, gun in hand. Because he will defend Nicky to the end.
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SPECIAL MENTION
"You shot Nicky. You shouldn't have done that."
Joe tells Keane off like he's a child, like an infant. Like he doesn't understand in the same way that the guards in the van didn't understand. Keane put a gun into the mouth of the one person that would make Joe hear Kill Bill sirens on repeat.
But it also speaks to the fact that Keane didn't have to kill Nicky. It was done to aid Keane's escape, not for any kind of end to a battle or to best an opponent. It was tactical rather than operational which is somehow worse. That is not the honour of battle or of war. Joe's gentle admonishment illustrates how little understanding Keane has for how actions and events and reactions and consequences play out. Joe has lived for nearly a thousand years and he thinks he gets it – the final scene with Copley shows it to him – but Keane did what he wanted and didn't play it out. Didn't think that if he killed someone who wouldn't stay dead that it might mean they come for him in a very targeted and personal way. We'd already seen Joe's anger towards Booker for putting them into that position but that anger isn't here. Why would it be? They don't have the same shared history, centuries of companionship and familiarity. You don't get angry at a child for doing a silly and impulsive thing. You just calmly explain that they shouldn't have done that and proceed to continue with the consequences of their action.
Disclaimer: I am not, in any way, shape, or form, suggesting that Joe's next action be used to discipline misbehaving and irrational children. Or anyone really.
A bullet to the head is quick, so at least Joe shows Keane that same mercy of a quick death. With a flip and the snap of a neck it is sharp and sudden and complete. Joe puts Keane onto the ground and towers over him the same way Keane did to Nicky.
Karma is firmly on Joe's side.
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CONCLUSION
Joe and Nicky are what you could say the word 'soulmates' was coined for. They love each other beyond any normal comprehension and have built a relationship that has not only survived but thrived from antagonistic beginnings through to the present day. They are a pair completely in sync who know how to play to their strengths but also when, where, and how to concede this to the other one.
They are, in the truest sense of the word, a partnership.
In the brief moment of Nicky's death we see Joe's utterly physical and complete reaction to it in a near-wordless way. The physicality of Joe's positioning and movement around first the body and then the living and breathing Nicky reflect the run of emotions being experienced in addition to the undercurrent of love that underpins anything that Joe does in regard to Nicky. Their respective religions and histories have echoes in the actions and reactions of each character. The micro actions of Marwan reinforce the depth of Joe's feelings for Nicky in a complementary manner to the Van Speech and the reaction Nicky gives reinforces the undercurrent we have seen from the Kill Floor through their sleeping positions and casual flirting that he is just as in love with his Maghrib soldier.
A family is more than blood, it is emotion and action and choices. Joe and Nicky choose each other, their emotions are wound into each other, and we have this secure 'couple' in it. They provide a balance between Booker's emotion and Andy's drive, embodying tempering versions of each. The fact that they have each other enables them to ensure that they do not drift too far from the cause: Nicky is still hopeful he will one day find a Baklava that Andy can't identify but rational enough to know that things come to an end. Joe is emotional enough to throw out a monologue that raises the bar for love across all genders and relationships but controlled enough for them not to overpower him in that final showdown with Keane.
tl;dr – this scene is fucking amazing and it shows so much of them as characters and their relationships and how invested in their roles Marwan and Luca are
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joenicky · 5 years ago
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re: the anon who asked about nicky handling joe talking about his feelings/using endearments. i read somewhere from a fan that joe's love language is words of affirmation and nicky's love language is acts of service (and i feel like physical touch is second for both of them) and i couldn't agree with it more.
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andyandromache · 5 years ago
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heyy :) can I ask you something? Who do you think is the more vulnerable of Nicky and Joe? do you think they're "equal"? I think for example that Nicky is a lot more sensitive than he leads on
to preface: i’m assuming you mean emotional vulnerability for this one! because both are immortal men who kick ASS so i don’t think either of them are physically vulnerable
i think theyre pretty balanced. i think that together nicky and joe are the heart and soul of the guards (pre-nile because i think that nile will bring a lot of life back to the guards). they are the two that are willing to put everything on hold– finding copley, figuring out why they were set up, going into hiding to protect themselves– just to find nile and bring her in because they empathized with her fear.
they’re also both always saying profound stuff like “we weren’t meant to be alone” and the entire van speech so both of them are very comfortable in revealing their emotions. this can be compared to booker because most of his emotions are presented in small facial expressions and hiding his true feelings.
one of my favorite posts is by @of-scythia about how joe’s love language is words of affirmation and nicky’s is acts of service because it’s so true and that’s how they present a lot of their emotions
tldr: i think that they’re both equal in being comfortable expressing emotional vulnerability which is so wonderful because 1) they’re two men and men in media rarely have this trait and 2) in the context of the movie, they’re so so old but they still express themselves and allow themselves to feel publicly, unlike andy who’s become so jaded
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wickedpact · 4 years ago
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as much as i like ‘acts of service’ nicky / ‘words of affirmation’ joe, i WILL be out here for forever waving my flag abt how joe only uses explicit words of affirmation in one(1) scene (the armored van scene) AND based off of both his and nickys reactions to that speech (plus marwan talking abt it in interviews) joe doesnt give speeches like that every day
Meanstwhile nicky just casually injects three(3) little statements of verbal affection (as much as i like watching you sleep, the love of my life, its like destiny [which is literal words of affirmation] ) into conversation throughout the movie, and no one reacts oddly to it, suggesting he does that kind of thing all the time. words of affirmation nicky rights.
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coffeeteaitsallfine · 5 years ago
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Really contemplating the fact that Nickys love language is acts of service because that’s definitely mine. Projecting here a bit but... his second is definitely words of affirmation but he outwardly acts rather than speaks towards others comparatively, at least with joe, but still loves getting words a lot. I need both because words of affirmation make me feel love so much more intensely but then I may not remember all of these instances during moments of doubt. The words get caught up with all the others in my head that are either real or invented by me. but it’s the acts of service or gestures that stick with me long term and are much more tangible proof to me.
This was a really long winded way for me to both psychoanalyze myself and say that the van scene gives Nicky Big Feelings even if he doesn’t show it or communicate quite the same way. And most importantly, Joe must have a lot of actions that stack up in Nickys book to back up those big words (as if we didn’t already know that).
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emjee · 4 years ago
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Rating: E
Relationship: Joe | Yusuf al-Kaysani/Nicky | Nicolo di Genova
Tags: porn with feelings, handjobs, blowjobs, the most established of established relationships, the opposite of jealousy, more like ‘why isn’t everyone in love with you I don’t understand’, words of affirmation, Nicolo ‘Acts of Service’ di Genova
Summary: In which Joe flirts shamelessly with his husband, a stranger mistakes Nicky's microexpressions for disinterest, and Nicky wonders why the whole world isn't also in love with the love of his life.
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bookersebastien · 5 years ago
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if ur still accepting curious anons can u tell me what u think the rat bastards love language is
i’ve been thinking about this since i saw this yesterday and it’s taken me a bit of time to decide what i think it is (and then shit happened and i nearly forgot to answer it this morning lol)
so my rat bastard man (i love you for calling him that), i think his love language might be quality time. we don’t really see words of affirmation or acts of service, or physical touch really besides the hug at the end. receiving gifts i might consider because andy did get him don quixote because she knew he would like it and knew it would make him feel cared for, but i want to lean towards quality time because spending time and having fun with his family is several of the few moments where he appears happy and at least a little as ease. 
take the baklava scene, the taunting of nicky, enabled by joe’s laughing, and the laugh and the way they joke with each other. we see him calm, in his element, we can tell this happened thousands of times before but even this time is still seems to bring him so much joy, not only to win and embarrass nicky but also because his family is back together. as someone who lost his family a not extremely long time ago (compared to the others at least), having them together and spending time with people is something he loves (which makes his exile even sadder - but listen i love the bastard french man but he deserved it)
and the scene where he’s watching football/soccer with joe, nicky quietly reading at the table. they’re relaxed, this scene brings to mind plenty of other times this happened, the three of them watching the game (let’s be honest, nicky is watching too, but someone find that hc post where he’s banned from watching because he get’s too into it) and enjoying themselves. joe and booker watching tv, yelling at the screen, booker waving his hand at something (no doubt complaining about a bad call or something), we don’t know what booker was doing with his year off, but we can assume he probably wasn’t with joe and nicky the majority of the time as andy asked where they were in the beginning so who knows how long its been since he got to sit down and watch something with someone.
anyway this was wayyy longer than anticipated, but i think it’s quality time, just being there with people he loves, because as far as we know he was a pretty family-oriented person because we can see the love he has for his sons (and his still wears what i assume is his wedding ring) and the love he has for his family now - even tho he supremely fucked things up, his exile is going to be hard on so many levels because of this. i hope this all makes sense, being articulate is not a strong suit of mine
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lazaefair · 5 years ago
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Chapters: 1/1 Fandom: The Old Guard (Movie 2020) Rating: Explicit Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply Relationships: Joe | Yusuf Al-Kaysani/Nicky | Nicolo di Genova Characters: Joe | Yusuf Al-Kaysani, Nicky | Nicolo di Genova Additional Tags: Shower Sex, Flashbacks, Emotional Hurt/Comfort Summary:
The team's first mission post-film goes pretty well, but no one's really as happy about it as they'd like to be. Nicky and Joe take advantage of their hotel room's luxurious shower to check in with each other and think about where they've been and where they're going.
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17,000+ words of hurt/comfort and words of affirmation/acts of service trope porn, plus introspection and backstory building. And plain old porn. It’s AMAZING and you should go read it immediately.
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normal-thoughts-official · 3 years ago
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words of affirmation: the van scene 🥰💕❤️🌈
quality time: the van scene but specifically the part where all the soldiers in it drop dead
physical touch: them holding each other when Nicky wakes up from death
acts of service: Nicky passing Joe guns a million times
receiving gifts: that part when Nicky incapacitated a soldier and left him behind for Joe to kill
wish i had a decent PC again so i could make a joenicky "the 5 love languages" gifset but everything other than "words of affirmation" is violence
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sapphicambitions · 5 years ago
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The reason I haven't watched TOG is because I saw that gif set going around of Joe giving that impassioned speech about how much Nicky means to him and all I could think was 'great, another gay love story where a poc worships their white partner but it doesn't go the other way.' Is that not the case? Does Nicky ever act just as impassioned?
I personally think that Nicky loves Joe just as much as Joe loves Nicky. There’s a very good meta around here somewhere that Joe’s love language is Words of Affirmation (the speech) while Nicky’s is Acts of Service / Action in that he always puts himself between Joe and danger, even when they sleep. And there’s a scene where Joe is getting hurt and Nicky fights like hell to get to him. HOWEVER, I would love hear someone’s thoughts that are not my own, because I do see your point and as a white person, it’s not my place to really make a judgement about this. Would love to listen to some poc voices and opinions on the matter!
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ao3feed-joenicky · 5 years ago
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by burglarbilbo
“Why?” he says. 
Yusuf shrugs. The man’s Arabic is atrocious, but at least he’s making the effort. “How should I know?” Yusuf responds, in Genoese. 
The man, who Yusuf has come to know as Nicolo, makes a face, looks away. “Maybe…” he says, after a time. “We are meant to meet.” 
“Why else would we dream of one another and then meet on the battlefield?” 
Words: 3845, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English
Fandoms: The Old Guard (Movie 2020)
Rating: Teen And Up Audiences
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: M/M
Characters: Joe | Yusuf Al-Kaysani, Nicky | Nicolo di Genova
Relationships: Joe | Yusuf Al-Kaysani/Nicky | Nicolo di Genova
Additional Tags: Slow Burn, Catholicism, Islamic References, eleventh century catholic prayers, nicky is acts of service, joe is words of affirmation, thank u tumblr user of-scythia, Historical References
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ao3feed-theoldguard · 5 years ago
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by emjee (MerryHeart)
"Can you teach me?" "Hm?" "The things you say, when we make love."
Or, honing your dirty talk skills across the centuries because sometimes words of affirmation are also acts of service: the Nicolò di Genova story.
Words: 5754, Chapters: 1/1, Language: English
Fandoms: The Old Guard (Movie 2020)
Rating: Explicit
Warnings: No Archive Warnings Apply
Categories: M/M
Characters: Joe | Yusuf Al-Kaysani, Nicky | Nicolo di Genova
Relationships: Joe | Yusuf Al-Kaysani/Nicky | Nicolo di Genova
Additional Tags: Dirty Talk, Plot What Plot/Porn Without Plot, Porn with Feelings, loving established adventure marriage, fucking through the centuries
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