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thirdeyeblue · 1 year ago
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“Nine would have treated Martha better than Ten did”
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I need to talk about this argument that never seems to stop circulating.
Note: Not a venomous/anti post. There’s more than enough of that across fandom spaces as is, and this is supposed to be a place for ✨sweet, blissful escapism✨
When making this argument, people seem to envision a scenario in which Nine never met Rose.
While I can appreciate a good hypothetical, recognizing Rose's significance to the Doctor (Nine and Ten) is essential to understanding why things with Martha played out the way they did in the first place.
In the third series, the Doctor is grieving. This grief is deliberately threaded into nearly every script, whether spoken aloud or not (and these are just a few examples):
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He's burning in Rose’s wake the entire time Martha travels with him, which is why it’s so frequently called upon: It’s 100% deliberate in framing his grief. He grieved as Nine too, of course— having been fresh on the heels of the Time War — but then he met Rose, which changed everything.
Back then, he was still a rude, traumatized pain in the ass, but we watch Rose soften more of those jagged edges with every episode as they grow closer; as he lets his guard down and forms a deep connection with her.
He falls in love (against his better judgment) and it's game over.
And yes: provided S1E1 had been titled 'Martha', one can realistically assume things might have unfolded similarly to how they did with Rose. However, it wouldn’t have been that way just because the Doctor was Nine and “Nine was different” — it would be because he wasn’t already in love with someone else. The same can't be said for the start of S3.
Think of it like this: if Rose AND Martha had been in that cellar — if Nine had taken both of them along with him in S1 — we’d eventually be looking at the most melodramatic love triangle ever, what with him living in close quarters with two brilliant, gorgeous, compassionate young women... But Doctor Who is plenty “soap opera” as is with just one woman in the TARDIS.
(I certainly wouldn’t object to reading that fic, though)
Now, regarding the unrequited elephant in the room…
His inability to be romantic with Martha isn’t because he thinks her lesser, nor is it for lack of compatibility. It isn't because Rose is any better than her. It certainly isn’t just because he’s Ten.
It’s really only for one reason, which can't be denied — and now I’m a broken record:
He is still in love with Rose.
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Nine is Ten, and Ten is only such a mess in S3 because he’s just lost the love of his life. Martha merely got caught in the crosshairs of a volatile Time Lord in mourning, and yes — it sucks. Absolutely.
But it also feels dismissive to chalk Ten and Martha’s relationship up to little more than some sort of mindless dance of pining, jealousy, and toxicity.
Ten trusted Martha with his life over and over again — and hers, with him. He constantly praised her brilliance, happily carting her around time and space with no intention of letting her go. In the BBC’s extended universe of novels/comics/cartoons/etc, there’s so much depth to their relationship: love and trust and trauma and sacrifice. They had their own special bond as mates, their own complexities — so it’s a bummer that it's forever overshadowed by the other things.
I’m not denying that there was a lot of stuff that sucked/was for sure toxic about Ten's S3 behavior, but so many of the things I've seen him catching flak for can be directly attributed to being A Clueless Fucking Alien Idiot (not a trait that’s unique to Ten) — as well as his flat-out obliviousness to Martha’s feelings.
So yes, I agree: if Rose never existed, he would have treated Martha differently as Nine. He also would have treated her differently as Ten. Certainly.
But Rose did exist, and when discussing canon, it matters.
“He tells me that he absolutely, 100% loves Rose... He tells me how my daughter; my wonderful, beautiful, clever little girl saved him from himself before… And he says that’s all because of me! I made her into the Rose Tyler that saved him.”
-Jackie Tyler, Flight Into Hull!
Martha got the short end of the stick in S3. She came round at the wrong place and time, but that doesn't mean it was all bad. It doesn't mean the Doctor didn’t adore her. It certainly doesn't mean the time they spent together was wasted or worthless. They were brilliant!
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Sure, he could be a twat, but let it be known that he was a twat with Rose as well, both as Nine and Ten. I’m sure Tentoo can be plenty infuriating, too. So while I'll defend Ten (and Tentoo) into the ground forever and ever and ever, I'll concede that he's fucked up.
The Doctor is a certified Pain In The Ass. It’s one of the things I love so much about this character — dynamics.
But never forget that Martha was goddamn tough as nails and overcame every bit of it. She moved on with her life, and the Doctor moved on with his. One can only pray that, when they inevitably drag her back onto the show (which feels inevitable if I'm honest), we see at once that she's been living her best life for all these years.
#I'm paranoid af about posting this but also feel like maybe two people will read it so perhaps I'm safe#doctor who#tenth doctor#ninth doctor#rose tyler#martha jones#baby's first meta#dw meta#I hope this wasn't just a mess of discombobulated stream-of-consciousness chatter#try as I may to avoid it#I'm somehow still aware of the sea of bad fandom vibes surrounding almost every character mentioned#besides Nine - who for some reason seems to be above reproach#there's a painful absence of civil discourse#especially where shipping is concerned#but let me tell you#I've vibed with T/M people about T/R and T/R people about T/M and it is a beautiful thing#I wish we could all just get along#also I've got so many more thoughts about this topic#like an embarrassingly long list of thoughts#I tried to scale it down as best I could while also being as inoffensive as possible#gonna crawl back under my rock now#also you should all go read Peacemaker#best DW novel since the Stone Rose#belated tag added way after the fact but:#for some reason I’ve yielded so much hate mail since originally posting this#because I suppose some people have only cottoned on to my enjoyment of T/M#but please note that I’ve been writing my T/M series since 2022#it’s had no bearing whatsoever on my love of T/R+T2/R aka the OTP of all time#but I’m also a grown-ass woman in my thirties and we are all playing with dolls here#I just wanna spread love and write smut and I do this for fun so if you can’t be nice - then I don’t want you reading anyway
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houkagokappa · 3 days ago
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I saw someone list their fave BL and since I've been wanting to do a chart like this for a long time, I figured today's the day for it
Happy 801
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yes-no-maybe-soo · 6 months ago
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In other news I just made 130 wishes on the Sky's Embrace banner with the tickets I had saved up. Guess how many Sylus 4 stars I got? 0. Nada. Zilch. From 130 wishes. Meanwhile I got multiple 4 stars of the OG3. I wish I could say that this is a rare occurence for me but it really isn't. That's simply how low the odds are of pulling Sylus vs any of the OG3. I got a little luckier with Caleb, but all of the OG3 still came home a lot more than him as well. This is exactly one of the reasons why Sylus — and soon Caleb, I presume — mains are pleading with Paperfold to give us the rest of his base content or at least increase the droprate of his cards b/c frankly 130 pulls and not a single 4 star is bullshit.
I'm so pissed
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unlikelyapricot-art · 2 months ago
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an old drawing of velvet that never saw the light of day :)
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xxplastic-cubexx · 6 months ago
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BEGGING YOU TO SEE THIS FHSHDJAHDJAB😭😭😭
https://x.com/riceussy/status/1883878407848783975?s=46
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KORN ?????
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telepath-kisser · 3 months ago
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idea polycule dynamic: married couple and the wet cat of a human they like
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rinofwater · 1 month ago
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So outside of the bond quest events and main story, the characters in Azuma get pretty shallow characterization, huh?
#guardians of azuma#goa#goa spoilers#idk if it counts as spoilers but better safe than sorry lol#i didn't notice it as much when i still had main story stuff to get through but damn interacting with these characters day-to-day is boring#and like every game like this is going to reach a point eventually where you run out of new stuff and it's the same lines over and over#that's the nature of being constructs of humans who couldn't create infinite conversation possibilities after all#but that's not the problem happening here#the daily conversations are at the level of idle small talk at best#the hangout feature (which couldve been real nice) does nothing to put these characters in context (especially not for the low-level hangou#just a five second silent cutscene and an 'i liked this/i hated this'#great you wanna elaborate on that? no?#i ask you about your family and i dont get to learn more about your family or your aversion to the topic?#why even bother then? if thats the feature that means we dont get interesting chats then i wish they'd have just dropped it#and dont even get me started on the fun facts on everyone's profiles#this stuff would've formed the basis for the daily convos in other games but now it's just a little blurb#that you might get a little more context on through events if you're lucky#like murasame's apparently scared of birds? that's sure never come up outside of his character profile from what ive seen#and with ulalaka so intent looking out for him and her having her little bird there was certainly opportunities to at least mention it#even if it's not a little skit maybe a line like 'yeah i tried to get him to slow down but he went running when he saw plenty :('#or however normally cool calm collected murasame actually reacts to birds but now i just have to guess because its not in context#a small detail to get hung up on as an example maybe but small details like that are what make the convos in other games more entertaining#like jones has 4-5 daily conversations on why he hates tomato juice but is trying to aversion therapy himself anyway in 4#that's way more interesting than reading a little fun fact#it's just wasted potential and that's disappointing#like the game is trying to rush you through to the dating/marriage phase and discounting the value of the little everyday buildups#hell i started dating kaguya and at the bare minimum i would think she would get some more romantic lines mixed in to the normal list#but nope she's still saying the exact same things she was before i started dating her but with one extra line in there to summarize one of#her character events (not adding any interesting comment on the event just summarizing it)#if i just wanted a dating sim i would go play a dating sim
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gryptids · 3 months ago
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What happened to synopses. Fucking synopses. Descriptions of what your book is about. "Kirkus Review say-" what's it about. "Tropes include-" what is the inciting incident. "Lovecraft meets-" WHO IS IN IT AND WHAT DO THEY DO
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fooltofancy · 1 day ago
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people say things abt ktisis around me and i just smile and nod like yes, that IS the only plugin i use for posing! nothing that u say makes sense to me.
#the mystery of beta ktisis which i will never solve lmao#stuff out there#in tabs and things#lights????#IF YOU SAY SO#don't mind me i just fought excel for an hour to try to make it print the cells i need with the appropriate headers and i am remembering#that im very good at learning what i need on the fly#but my tolerance for having to learn things around other people's having had to learn those things in the same insane way#thereby making my job a thousand times harder since im the only person printing these inventories APPARENTLY#is so low. i want to sit down and cry lmao#'can you screenshot these' BROTHER IN CHRIST THESE LISTS ARE LIKE 60 ITEMS LONG#do you know how ass. it is. to try to screencap an extensive fucking list of tapes#also excel SHOULD be able to do this and i have ticked ALL of the appropriate boxes#.... but he created the headers in such a way that they don't READ as headers#and idk how to fix it#i have a couple of ideas but if i get no archiving done tonight because i spent the whole fucking shift crying my way through conning excel#into doing a fraction of what i want#i would be less annoyed except he stopped even adding anyone else to the email list for this shit so it's just me apparently#can i screencap it well i can scream. is what i can do#< why i work the nightshift#i say fuck a lot. in here by myself.#anyway i have the same problem learning things re: xiv plugins lmao except there's more accessible info abt excel in a quick google search#THERE WAS A POINT TO THAT TIRADE IN THESE TAGS SPECIFICALLY#i think maybe i am having an extended moment re: a lot of things because my tolerance for difficulty is... very.. very low rn 😭#everything creative is haaaaard and i have no energyyyyyyyyyy#i think perhaps. it is the depression boss.
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swallowedabug · 7 months ago
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9 books for 2025, tagged by @kshaar
LEENA KROHN | Tainaron
JULIA ARMFIELD | Our Wives Under the Sea
JEFF VANDERMEER | Hummingbird Salamander
NEKO CASE | The Harder I Fight the More I Love You: A Memoir
GREGORY MAGUIRE | Son of a Witch
KAMERON HURLEY | The Stars Are Legion
CARMEN MARIA MACHADO | Her Body and Other Parties
MARINA & SERGEY DYACHENKO | Vita Nostra
CHANA PORTER | The Seep
tagging @diasdelasombra, @strangesmallbard, @duckuwu and i think everyone else who i wanted to tag has already posted their 9 books
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stillgotscars · 5 months ago
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guess whose cystic acne has returned 😔
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callmehere-iwillappear · 7 months ago
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2024 Writing Roundup
tagged by @remedyturtles
Words Posted:
172,386 according to ao3. i don't think that's actually accurate because i think when you update an already existing fic in a new year all the previous words carry over (so like with cmh it's counting all 68k (?!?!?!?!?) even though most of that was Not written in 2024 lmao)
okay. update. after going through my docs and chapters to see when stuff was posted, assuming i did all my math right, the actual count is closer to: 77,657 words
Additional Words Written:
oh god. uh. lots probably
okay i went and dug through all my many many google docs. this is not an accurate count by any means because there's definitely stuff i missed but approximately: 73,575 words
Fandoms:
mostly rottmnt with a bit of isat at the end
Highest kudos + Highest Hit One-Shot:
but i can't live in a storm for both :thumbsup:
New Things I Tried:
uhhhhhhh. straight up don't remember anything new i tried last year </3
Fic I Spent The Most Time On:
iiiii don't know? probably bicls, cmh, or permafrost but. i don't keep track of how long i spend working on specific things </3
Fic I Spent The Least Time On:
again no idea </3 maybeeee the og version of bicls that was like. 3k words? which is really funny considering that the full version is on my list of 'maybe i spent the most time on it' lmaofjdskljfdlk
Favorite Thing I Wrote:
proooobably but i can't live in a storm. or one of the things i didn't post maybe. but out of the things i've posted i'd say almost definitely bicls
Favorite Thing(s) I Read:
oh god. this is such a hard question holy shit. hold on i'm just gonna go through everything i bookmarked last year and list some of my faves out :thumbsup:
firefight (ok listen Technically i bookmarked it in 2023 but also it was finished in 2024 so it still counts bc Duh) (+ side fic)
First Snow Days
Fly Our Kites in the Wind
Siblingquest 202X
take my brain or what remains
now the darkness comes alive
a bigger heart grew back
I'll let you hit me twice
remember me how i was
Goodnight til it be Tomorrow
it gets you in the end
lil_michelangelo posted an image
make this heart beat on and on
Alien Blues
stare directly at the sun (+ side fics)
hear you knocking
higher devotion
there are almost definitely more but this is already really long so ;afljdslkfjdkl
Writing Goals for 2025:
uhh. just. write anything honestly? ideally something i'm happy with. i'm trying not to put too much on myself because the spoons have been not on my side lately so. just Anything
New Works:
i have a few like. concepts? that i'm working on and/or thinking about doing something with. but also they're all isat sorry turtle gang </3 new hyperfixation hit real hard
Tagging:
anyone who wants to!
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thanatologie · 2 months ago
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@nekrotisch - Cassandra wooing him with specialized gifts and dates centered around his and or her hobbies that end with a cozy night in to read...or more if Manfred has a babysitter
you say that like we both don't know neve or davrin's getting tagged in for that babysitting job whether they like it or not.
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jewishcissiekj · 3 months ago
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ykw i think i WILL read the first 48 issues of Exiles (2001) before moving on the the next era of the x-men reading guide I'm following
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groinal-attachment · 2 months ago
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ohhh okay. i see. i have no choice but to read vampire science on my phone online free because it genuinely costs one william dollars ?!!!!
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puppsworld · 2 years ago
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I have a silly headcanon that Phaeon has a bad habit of sneaking up on people by accident (he's still getting used to having a physical form and doesn't make noise when he moves), so Swiss eventually gets him a little bell necklace so everyone can hear the little guy coming from a mile away. I also like to think Aether and Omega had the same problem with similar fixes. Aether has a little keychain bell and Omega has anklet ones.
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