#also yeah spiders + manipulation… this episode is the Web to me (magnuspod reference)

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Thinking about how terrified Lister must’ve been during Demons and Angels. He’s trapped with the warped, evil versions of his crewmates. He’s forced to not only interact with a spider, but to also eat it. The guy he’s had a fraught rivalry with, the guy he’s brushed off as being unable to hurt him due to his incoporeal state, is now able to hurt him and WANTS to hurt him. He’s forced to confront the darker side of himself, the side that “thinks terrible things”. The method of torture they use against him is extremely personal. This is a guy who’s not afraid to go against authority, forced into submission without any way to escape. Then, they use this power over him to attack the High side of himself, and then to turn on his own crew. He attacks the guys he cares about, unable to stop himself, his Low side piloting his every action. This is a guy who hates being controlled , and he is constantly manipulated by his Low self throughout the second half of the episode. I wonder how long it took him to reconcile with the fact that there was in fact a version of himself that would not hesitate to do that to someone. I wonder how long it took him to wash the taste of spider from his mouth.