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Remembering ye olde days in the DA discourse trenches
#was both. still am both really lmao#it's just that people don't fight me anymore#though honestly could you imagine anders discourse. in 2025 lmfao#dragon age#anders#anders*#mage rights
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team would have blown up the chantry with anders and taken him out for drinks after
#punch.txt#anders#dragon age#will never understand the discourse. I was mad they made ME get mad at him for doing something so based
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Can I be sooooo petty for a sec?? Seeing all the discourse over Inquisitors and Rooks over who "deserved" to be in Veilguard or who was a better protag mixed with the constant infighting... Girl idgaf. Hawke deserved to be the protagonist over both of them. Idec. Don't get me wrong, I love inky, but you guys wanna talk about a protag that deserved better? Hawke. Oh, the Hero of Ferelden didn't show up? Good. I don't trust EA or BioWare to handle them satisfactorily anyway, they dodged a bullet. What's that? Rook "stole" the Inquisitors plot? Okay. Inky stole Hawkes. I love my Inquisitor, but I would trade a thousand Inkys and Trespassers for my Exalted March DLC. I could have had "redeemed" Warden Anders. I could have had maimed hunter Fenris. I could have had Hawke MARRY THEIR LI. Do not speak to me of grief and regrets.
#and that's on andraste#if anyone tries to make this into serious beef or discourse ill fucking anders this whole fandom#don't even try me#da2 fans have done nothing but suffer and be gay#and we deserve to bitch a lil bit#as a treat#dragon age#da2#idk if i should tag each of the protags#bc that feels almost like inviting trouble#but FUCK it#hawke#hawke dragon age#marian hawke#tagging marian and not garret bc she's my goat and im a feminist#dragon age 2#hawke dragon age 2#rant#dragon age rant
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i'm so glad twitter and tumblr doesn't exist in dragon age where a character who is anders exist
im on the other end of the spectrum because i think it's the greatest tragedy in the world that anders didn't get to argue with people online 😔 born to post forced to live in a sewer
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i think it's really ironic how, in my experience, most anders fans will talk about the shitty way anders treats fenris (and merrill) and like.. see him as a whole character with both positive and negative attributes (crazy i know), while a lot of people who hate anders for some reason also echo the way he acts towards the two? the whole "fenris calls anders an abomination all the time" and "merrill is ditzy and dumb" coexists with "anders is an evil terrorist" and i just dont get it lmao
there definitely used to be a very vocal group of anders girlies who were super incredibly weird about fenris in a way that i think makes aversion to his fans understandable but it's incredibly funny to me when this leaks into the actual character discourse to a point where it's like incredibly obvious you're just basing your opinion off of like a caricaturized version of the character you made up in your head. it's like we're having actual blood wars and these characters are our sworn lieges or something it's very funny.
#im sure they still exist but either they're not as vocal as they used to be or i just cultivated a normal fan corner LOL#reducing certain characters to their most surface level basic traits is just boring to me. anders discourse can be really fun just based off#his fucking. everything. he's literally such an asshole and thr biggest hypocrite ever#which is juicy to think of in the context of him being possessed by a Spirit of Justice#adds fun layers#but its just so boringggg most of the time#even the issue of the explosion is a fun topic to have a back and forth about but it gets reduced to NO TERRORISM A!#ask#anon
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hawke initiating a surprise kiss to catch Anders off guard as payback for the clinic kiss 😗

#my art#handers#female hawke#fem hawke#oc: ophelia hawke#hawke x anders#fhanders#f!handers#f!hawke#dragon age 2#dragon age 2 fanart#dragon age anders#anders#I’m almost finished with the game now#and my hawke chose to stay with anders#anders romance is a tad bit toxic and I’d never go for a relationship like that irl#but in an rpg??? sign me up 😋😋😋#so much angst and heartbreak yet hope at the end#also justice is in love with hawke he’s just shy about it#I just have so many thoughts on his character and I’m glad he’s so controversial tat he causes fandom warfare#bc nowadays there are so many unlayered bland slop characters#that don’t inspire any meta analysis or discourse of moral dilemmas#characters like anders make me want to get creative and write my own stories inspired by them 🙂↕️#anyway that’s the yap#custom hawke
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(Puts on my communism goggles) I think staunchly pro-anders fans are fascinating because to me at least it shows how to most people revenge is more important than actual progress. People will always want to do what feels good over what is right, because progress often is slow and unsatisfying in the moment.
My main issue with Anders’ action isn’t that he did something extreme, it’s that he did in the wrong place. Why the chantry over the gallows, where the actual templars were and there would be less civilians to hurt? He had Hawke on his side, he could have planned to evacuate people or put some safeguard in place to minimize civilian damages in the gallows, since most of the people in the gallows are not civilians. Blowing up property - especially if the property houses information and shelter for the oppressing party- is good. It’s a great plan. It would have made a much bigger impact and put a lot less mages across Thedas in direct danger if it was the gallows that were destroyed and not a chantry.
But Anders was wrapped up in vengeance (and we can have a whole discussion about how responsible Anders is for the actions of Justice). The point wasn’t to make the world better for mages at that point- the mage-Templar war that ensued did not ensure any kind of rights for mages depending on what you did in inquisition, and many had to die for being made automatically complicit in crimes against Andraste (even if they were believers themselves, that’s just the consequence of BLOWING UP THE CHANTRY), it was to do something extreme to feel like he was doing something just for the mages. Blowing up the chantry made this a statement on religion. It distracted from the actual grievances about the abuse taking place in mage circles.
There is no justice when collateral damage in the form of life is acceptable. That is no way forward, and it will create a lot more problems in the long run than it solves. It creates Martyrs, people who won’t rest until their own versions of feel good revenge is satisfied.
But it did feel real good to see the chantry- at that point housing people sheltering from danger- blow up as a symbol of your hate to the Templar order. It felt real good and that’s all that mattered.
This is great commentary on real world situations where good people - and Anders was a good person, dedicated his whole life to doing right by others and the world around him- get corrupted and twisted and pushed to do things that a younger version of them might never condone. When things get bad enough and no one wants to listen these kinds of actions seem to be the only way forward. The issue, ultimately, is not Anders. It’s not even Kirkwall. It’s fear against magic and a distrust of strangers, both issues that would never be solved or even addressed with terrorism. Anyway. He’s a fascinating character and his writing is really interesting to me
#I think it’s a testament to the writing that almost 20 years later people are still discussing this passionately I love dragon age#believe you me I understand that revolution cannot be done without some violence in this world but you HAVE to be smarter about I#andytalk#anders#I view Anders as my wet angry cat who I love to put holiday sweaters on#dragon age#dragon age 2#this is less discourse and more discussion I guess lmao
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No way in hell I am making this rebloggable lmao but one of the things I find the most frustrating about Anders Discourse™ is when people will say Anders Was Right and then totally refuse to engage with even the possibility that there was collateral damage in the Chantry explosion, insisting that the only people who could possibly have been killed or injured in the blast were Elthina and a handful of clerics who also deserved it, and any numbers Inquisition may have stated about the death toll are retcons meant to make Anders look bad.
When... you can see flaming debris raining down on the rest of the city. In the game. Lowtown is on fire. in the game. DA2 may not have given us numbers, but it's canon that there was collateral damage! You can see it! With your eyes!
But if you point this out, you're assumed to be an Anders Hater who is Anti Mage Rights and thinks Anders was unilaterally wrong.
When actually, I think that not only can you acknowledge the damage and still sympathize with Anders' actions in-universe, I think that any argument about the justification or necessity of his attack on the Chantry (including of course his many attempts at nonviolent or less violent resistance that preceded it, the failure of those attempts, the systematic dismantling of the Mage Underground over the course of years, Meredith's call for the Right of Anullment before the attack had occurred, the many ways in which the mages of Kirkwall had been so utterly beaten down and backed into a corner that there was no effective means of nonviolent resistance left to them!) should acknowledge the collateral damage to Kirkwall including the commoners and elves of Kirkwall, and should be interested in discussing what this means in the larger context of all that other stuff I said in the parentheses.
What do we gain from scrubbing this choice clean of undesirable consequences, from pretending that the path to freedom isn't messy, from pretending that the interests of marginalized people in this fantasy world don't ever come into conflict with one another? And what do we lose?
#anders discourse cw#dragon age stuff#blunders of thedas#i am of course only talking about fantasy politics from a fantasy perspective.
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The oppression of mages and elves is inherently intersectional with one another and therefore neither Fenris nor Anders are completely correct but yall aren’t ready for that conversation.
#Anders only likes elves when they agree with him#and Fenris wrongfully equates the systems that oppress him with magic as a reaction to trauma#but that’s too much nuance for yall#dragon age#da2#fenris#fenris dragon age#anders dragon age#Anders#discourse#dragon age 2
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Is it just me or has no one talked about Cullen in ages. Neutral observation I don’t particularly care to talk about him nor do I have a problem with people talking about him but Cullen discourse used to be such a regular part of the fandom ecosystem and it seems to have died a dinosaur-like death as the veilguard asteroid hurtled toward earth
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Every time someone starts Anders discourse I point him in the direction of the nearest chantry.
#the fact that I knew about anders discourse years before actually picking up the game#😩#dragon age#dragon age ii#daii#dragon age 2#da2#anders#da2 spoilers#I guess
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bumper sticker that says “I got my top surgery done by a terrorist in darktown”
#this was inspired by all the twitter discourse going on#and one specific tweet about Anders performing top surgery
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Absolutely no hate whatsoever if this is your tag but please, please, tell me Anders isn't getting the Gale (and, tbh, Astarion) treatment in some weird online spaces, where people somehow argue he's canonically straight/gay, when he, canonically, and very overtly and quite persistently, flirts with f!Warden and Velanna in Awakening, his first character quest in DA2 is to save/kill his ex who is a man, AND you can romance him regardless of your Hawke's gender? Please? Pretty please? I can't do this again.
#anders#i love the dragon age renaissance and the return of anders appreciation#but i could honestly do without having all the same ~*discourse*~ rehashed over and over again#anders is a bipolar bisexual (or pan or however you wish to label it) mess and this is canon#do not make me tap the sign
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Everyone's like blah blah the qunari approach to mages is so bad and wrong blah blah but you know what. Most mages we meet in dragon age could do with some shutting up. So.
#for dragon age discourse reasons this is a joke but also. I'm thinking specifically of anders and solas. so.#Cathy plays dragon age
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Solas and Anders are very similar characters who react in very similar ways despite having vastly different backgrounds and worldviews. In this essay I will-
#anders#solas#i will actually probably write about the parallels i see between them someday but. not rn lmao#in any case it does sometimes baffle me that people can hate one of these characters and love the other#both of them are assholes both of them are revolutionaries both of them genuinely care about their people#similar sentiments have been shared before but to me solas is anders if his writer loved him. etc.#dragon age#apologies if this makes some of you upset i am not trying to start discourse i just genuinely see a lot of parallels between these two
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ok now let's get into anders discourse
#JOKING...... dont send me anders anons im not doing that#here's my anders discourse : i like him :-)
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