#but usually when speaking english it's used both singular and plural interchangeably

[spanishskulduggery]

What's the difference between unos and algunos? Because they are both some in english. And also is there any difference between alguno and algun?

In a very general sense and without context, they’re kind of interchangeable. Where they’re not is when algunos is a subsection or a sampling of a larger number.

It might be easier to think of unos as a pie chart, and algunos as each slice of pie in the pie chart. It’s just more specific and particular.

un día = one dayunos días = a few days

algún día = some dayalgunos días = some days

en un momento = in a momenten algún momento = at some moment / at some point

In my experience, unos or sometimes unas is a very vague “some” or it means “a few”, while algunos/algunas is more particular.

When you say unos/unas you’re talking about a general number, while algunos/algunas is more specific.

For example…

unos libros = a few books

algunos libros = some books

You can imagine a pie chart labeled “books” and that would be unos libros but if you subdivide it into genres, each slice of the pie chart would be like algunos… algunos libros de fantasía, algunos libros históricos, algunas novelas… etc.

In a general sense, there isn’t too much difference. If I didn’t specify anything, you could translate them as more or less the same.

However, algunos could be a smaller number of a collection:

Hay unos libros en la mesa. Algunos (de ellos) son novelas. = There are a few books on the table. Some (of them) are novels.

In that way, algunos (de algo) is a more specific and smaller number like a subcategory.

Another small difference would be something like…

Tengo unas fotos. = I have a few photos

Tengo algunas fotos. = I have some photos. [to me this is an implied smaller amount, or it’s photos of something specific]

Tengo algunas de las fotos. = I have some of the photos.

Whenever you’re saying “some of (whatever)“, it’s algunos/algunas which is saying “I have (a small amount of something) out of (the larger amount)”

Alguna gente… = Some people…

Algunos alumnos… = Some students…

Algunas alumnas… = Some (female) students…

While unos alumnos or unas alumnas feels like you kind of just gestured vaguely and said “some students” like hay unos alumnos / hay unas alumnas meaning “there are a few/some” but you didn’t count.

Hay unas alumnas. Algunas (de ellas) son altas, algunas bajas. = There are some (female) students. Some (of them) are tall, some are short.

In a more general sense, algunos/algunas can be understood as “particular”.

¿Tienes un problema? = Do you have a problem?

¿Tienes algún problema? = Do you have some kind of problem?

In that situation, algún feels like a sharper way to say it. It’s not necessarily mean (it can be) but it’s more getting to the heart of the matter.

The same thing with unas preguntas “a few questions” vs. algunas preguntas “a few (particular) questions”

In terms of algún vs. alguno it’s the difference between un and uno; you see algún preceding a masculine singular noun. And alguno exists as gender neutral.

The same thing exists with ningún and ninguno (though ninguno doesn’t exist in plural)

un perro = a dogunos perros = a few dogs

algún perro = some dogalgunos perros = some dogs

ningún perro = no dog

Or…

Hay un problema. = There’s a problem.

Hay algún problema. = There’s some (kind of) problem.

No hay ningún problema. = There’s no problem.

No hay problema alguna. = There’s not a problem. / There’s not any problem.

No hay ninguno. = There is none.

And for amounts specifically…

un alumno = a studentunos alumnos = a few studentsuna alumna = a student (f)unas alumnas = a few students (f)

algún alumno = a particular studentalgunos alumnos = a few studentsalguna alumna = a particular student (f)algunas alumnas = some students (f)

ningún alumno = no studentninguna alumna = no student (f)

Hay unos sospechosos. Algunos tienen coartadas, algunos no. Pero ninguno de ellos es el culpable. = There are a few suspects. Some have alibis, some don’t. But none of them is the culprit.

Hay unas sospechosas. Algunas tienen coartadas, algunas no. Pero ninguna de ellas es la culpable. = There are a few suspects (f). Some have alibis, some don’t. But none of them is the culprit.

*Side Note on neutral/neuter gender; uno exists as “one” when it’s not used with a noun. In that sense, there is an absence of gender which is called “neuter” or “neutral” gender. Most people don’t teach it because it conjugates as masculine.

Most common but usually not talked about is él “he”, ella “she”, and ello “it”; where ello is normally a vague concept, or when speaking about an inanimate object that lacks a specific gender… you normally don’t see ello because people tend to refer to it by the specific noun.

Neutral gender exists as ending in -o but it’s most common in demonstratives; esto, eso, aquello… while when placed in front of a masculine noun it’s este, ese, aquel and when placed in front of a feminine noun it’s esta, esa, aquella

Neutral also exists for primero “first” and tercero “third”, which goes to primer piso “first floor” / primera planta “first floor”, or tercer piso “third floor” / tercera planta “third floor”… But if you say primero “first of all / firstly”, it’s got the -o because it doesn’t appear with a noun.

The lack of a specified gender is what makes something neutral gender in Spanish, so it’s most often used for vague concepts that aren’t specifically given a noun. It’s more like a void or an absence of gender that makes it neutral there.

For practical and functional purposes, specifically talking about alguno or ninguno, they often show up in neutral form when placed at the end of a masculine noun, problema alguna [rather than in front; algún problema, but it also shows up with una duda or duda alguna but that’s feminine]… or when counting something without using a noun ninguno de ellos, uno de ellos, alguno de ellos… in feminine form it’s ninguna de ellas, una de ellas, alguna de ellas so it doesn’t look different at all

[gendercensus]

The Big Pronouns Survey - results

This survey ran from 19th August until today, 26th August - one week. There were 2,686 participants after I removed a joke submission and a couple of duplicates, which I think is not too shabby!

There were three things I was looking for:

How popular pronoun sets are;

Common word choices and spellings, plural/singular verbs;

How people tend to gender the sets.

You can see the original responses and the various calculations and ranking tables here (Google Sheets).

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MOTIVATION

This was probably the most complicated survey I’ve run so far just in terms of structure. I had to place a lot of limitations on what people could enter for each question, so there were fewer “other ________” answers than I usually like to provide.

I’ve been wanting to ask about pronouns more accurately for a long time, because in the annual survey of language for nonbinary people I simply list the most popular pronoun sets and then provide a single box called “other” for people to write in sometimes multiple sets of neopronouns. This means that I have to sort through entries like this:

xe, xem

xe/xem/xyr

ze/zem/zeir

ze, v, per, etc.

... and so on. It is really time-consuming and exhausting to separate and group the pronouns to count them accurately, and that’s because there is not one uniform way of presenting your pronoun set. Even if there were, people would assume I know what they meant by “xe/xem”, they might just be lazy, they might not know the “official” way to use the pronouns and leave words out, and probably there are a hundred other ways in which humans are thankfully not computer programs!

This survey was an attempt to get more helpful and accurate information about pronoun preferences overall, as well as about individual pronoun sets and their use.

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THE SURVEY

The survey began with a compulsory question that asked you to confirm that your gender was in some way not binary M/F.

It then asked for your general pronoun preference:

Any pronouns are fine

Avoid all pronouns

I have some kind of pronoun preference, strong or mild

If you selected “any” or “avoid”, you were sent to the end of the survey, to save you being asked about your pronouns when you had none or didn’t care.

If you selected I have a preference, you were sent to the section that lets you enter your pronouns. You could enter up to five sets. For each pronoun, you were given five sentences to complete, plus a couple of extra questions.

"Ask Sam if ______ would like to buy a newspaper." (Eg: he, she, they)

"Sam bought the newspaper so now it belongs to _____." (Eg: him, her, them)

"Sam is reading _____ newspaper." (Eg: his, her, their)

"Whose newspaper is it?" "It belongs to Sam, it's _____." (Eg: his, hers, theirs)

"Sam bought it for _____." (Eg: himself, herself)

There was an explanation of what pronouns are at the top of the page. Each sentence had a few examples underneath it from the he/him, she/her and they/them sets, with one exception - I left “themself/themselves” out of the reflexive question because I wanted to see whether people generally preferred “themself” or “themselves” when talking about one person and I didn’t want to influence their response at all.

There was a question to find out whether the pronoun set uses plural verbs or singular verbs, because I wanted to know whether people usually say, for example, “xe is” or “xe are”. Consider:

he is a teacher - is is singular, so he/him uses singular verbs.

they are a teacher - are is plural, so they/them uses plural verbs.

And then there was a question to ask how people generally tend to gender this pronoun set. The choices were masculine, feminine, nonbinary, inclusive, or “only I can use it”.

At the end of each pronoun set participants were given the option to enter another set or skip to the end. If someone entered more than one set, they were given some checkboxes that they could check if it applied to them:

Pronoun preference tends to change depending on context

I want people to vary which pronoun they use for me frequently

I have a consistent favourite pronoun

And then there was a feedback box at the end.

I considered providing some of the more common pronoun sets pre-written for people to select, but decided against it. I wanted to see what people wrote when given empty text boxes. In the annual survey any pronoun that is pre-written will get more people choosing it just because it’s right there. Having it pre-written removes a barrier, and it means people who would not normally consider that pronoun set are prompted to do so; both of these things increases the number of people choosing it.

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HOW POPULAR WERE THE PRONOUN SETS?

When reduced to the first two pronouns in each set it looks something like this:

they/them: 1,952 - 73%

he/him: 488 - 18%

she/her: 321 - 12%

use any pronouns: 294 - 11%

avoid pronouns: 131 - 5%

it/it: 58 - 2%

xe/xem: 57 - 2%

ey/em: 52 - 2%

fae/faer: 25 - 0.9%

ze/zir: 20 - 0.7% // ze/hir: 20 - 0.7%

(Since this was specifically marketed as a survey about pronouns, I expect that “any” and “avoid” options were underrepresented because potential participants with no preference or who dislike pronouns for themselves would be less likely to open the survey in the first place. But that’s just speculation!)

The top ten looks a little different when you include more than the first two pronouns of a set, because after the first two there tended to be more divergence in words and spellings.

A good illustration is the set “xe/xem,” which more than doubles in popularity when you take into account more variations of that pronoun than just the most popular. I’m not suggesting for a second that all “xe/xem” sets are ultimately the same, but I did want to show that a slight difference in spelling radically changes how your write-in pronoun is counted in this survey and in the annual survey. A pronoun set that seems quite popular outside of statistics could seem less popular in surveys simply because a lot of people use it slightly differently, due to regional differences and personal preference and so on.

To put it another way, here were all the unique sets beginning with “n” that were entered, most of which begin with a “knee” sound:

ne/nem/nir/nirs/nemself (singular verbs) - 7

ne/nem/nir/nirs/nirself (singular verbs) - 3

ne/nir/nim/nir/nirs/nirself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nim/nir/nirs/nimself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nem/neir/neirs/nemself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nis/nis/nis/nimself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nym/nyms/nyms/nymself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nem/nis/nis/nemself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nir/nir/nirs/nirself (singular verbs) - 1

ne/nim/nir/nis/nimself (singular verbs) - 1

ni/ne/nem/nir/nirs/nemself (singular verbs) - 1

nin/nim/nims/nims/ninself (singular verbs) - 1

ny/nym/nys/nys/nymself (singular verbs) - 1

The only thing they have in common is that they are all used with singular verbs: “Ne is a teacher. Ne has a small class today.”

If you just count the most popular it’s 7, but that’s less than half of people claiming pronouns that start with “ne”, so it’s a very limited picture.

Part of what I like to ask in the annual survey is if we are ever approaching any kind of consensus on the more popular neopronoun sets. Do people generally agree on spelling or even on the words themselves? And after several years, I can confirm that the answer is basically no. For most neopronouns, 50% of people or more are using different words in sets that start with the same word. Some sets appear to sound the same but have very different spellings, such as xe/xir and ze/zir. Speaking anecdotally, some sets are spelled the same way but pronounced differently by different people - some people pronounce “xy/xyr” as “zee/zeer” and some “zye/zyer”, for example.

These will settle over time. If neopronouns become more used and people become more fluent when using new sets, the spelling and pronunciation will converge in the more common sets first. I’m thinking that language coagulates with frequent and earnest use.

There were a lot of people taking part who spoke English as a second language, a lot of typos, and a lot of people using unique tricks to circumvent this:

That’s a validation rule to prevent people writing sentences. In the test surveys, people would sometimes write the pronoun, and then an explanation or an alternative, such as “xe or ze”, or “xe but on my girl days I prefer she”. I love those elaborations but this time I needed extremely simple data so that I could process it using spreadsheet queries!

So a lot of the unique pronoun sets entered probably could have been more accurately grouped with others. There were 367 unique pronoun sets entered altogether taking into account verb preferences, which is a new pronoun set for every 7 people. I enjoyed the ones like “he/they/he/they/his/their/his/theirs/himself/themself (singular verbs)”, but this one is my favourite for pure ingenuity:

[x]ey_xey_or_yey_or_zey/[x]em_or_xem_or_yem_or_zem/[x]eir_or_xeir_or_yeir_or_zeir/[x]eirs_or_xeirs_or_yeirs_or_zeirs/[x]eirself_or_xeirself_or_yeirself_or_zeirself (plural verbs)

That’s five sets combined into one. Each of these could have been entered separately, so it’s possible that the form was somehow not clear or that it was misinterpreted. I did write in a couple of places that you’d be able to enter up to five pronoun sets, and at the end of each pronoun set you had to select “enter another set” or “skip to the end”, so perhaps this is just one set with many interchangeable options? Perhaps they were trying to communicate that each of these sets is equal with no favourite? Or perhaps the participant was just trying to save time. Are xey sad that xeir sets were counted only once together instead of being grouped individually with matching sets?

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POPULAR VERB PREFERENCES

Folks expressed an interest in knowing which “they/them” sets are more common. There were 88 unique sets entered starting with “they”, and here’s how many people chose the ones entered ten times or more:

they/them/their/theirs/themself (plural verbs) - 1,445

they/them/their/theirs/themselves (plural verbs) - 278

they/them/their/theirs/theirself (plural verbs) - 60

they/them/their/theirs/themself (singular verbs) - 22

they/them/their/theirs/himself (plural verbs) - 16

they/them/their/theirs/ (plural verbs) - 15

they/them/their/theirs/them (plural verbs) - 13

they/them/their/their's/themself (plural verbs) - 11

“Themself” was five times as popular as “themselves”, and plural verbs (”they are”) were overwhelmingly more common than singular (”they is”).

Pretty much everything else was singular verbs, including sets that sound a little bit like or rhyme with or are based on they/them:

ey/em/eir/eirs/emself (singular verbs) - 1%

fae/faer/faer/faers/faerself (singular verbs) - 0.6%

ae/aer/aer/aers/aerself (singular verbs) - 0.4%

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PREFERENCES FOR MULTIPLE PRONOUN SETS

841 people (31% of all participants) entered more than one pronoun set. Here’s how they wanted people to use those pronouns out of an incomplete list of preferences, of which participants could select more than one or none at all:

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HOW DO PEOPLE TEND TO GENDER THE PRONOUN SETS?

For this step I used just the first two words in each pronoun set, and did some colour-coding with conditional formatting.

The darker the box, the higher the percentage. Any grey "0%” on the right are answers where no one chose that option at all, and the black “0%” are positive numbers that have been rounded down, such as “0.1%”. Percentages are of the people who claimed that pronoun, not of the entire population surveyed.

Here’s a bit of a summary:

They/them was considered the most inclusive, and the least “nonbinary” of anything other than he/him or she/her.

He/him was overwhelmingly considered masculine, and she/her was overwhelmingly considered feminine.

People were more likely to characterise he/him as inclusive or nonbinary, and less likely to characterise it as masculine or feminine, compared to she/her. This might account for people being 6% more likely to be okay with he/him overall? This might also be influenced by the style guide push in recent decades for he/him to be the standard non-gendered pronoun when talking about someone of unknown gender. “Masculine as neutral” is a prevalent stance even among nonbinary people, anecdotally speaking, with feminine still being seen as a deviation from a masculine default, and the statistics here reflect that. It could also be influenced by gender assigned at birth, which I didn’t ask about.

I note that the results for he/him and she/her are quite different from the annual survey’s usual pattern. Here he/him was 6% more popular than she/her, whereas in the annual survey (which has pre-written options for the pronoun question) the two are more similar, sometimes getting the same percentage when rounded to the nearest whole number. Checking a box is much easier than having to type in a whole set and then answer questions about it, so perhaps people who are okay with she/her don’t like it enough to type it out?

Of all the pronouns other than he, she and they - only two pronouns were ever considered binary gendered. It/it was gendered masculine by 2% of people who use it (but never feminine), and fae/faer was gendered feminine by 12% of people (but never masculine).

The pronoun set that was considered most nonbinary-exclusive (used for nonbinary people, and not anyone else) was xe/xem.

A huge 29% of participants who chose it/it said that it/it could only be used for them. Originally this answer option was intended for people whose neopronouns were based on their names or otherwise exclusive to them, but I think perhaps what people were trying to express here was “this is not a pronoun you can use for just anyone.” When I’ve heard people talking about it/it pronouns, folks tend to be very blunt and up-front about the fact that a lot of people find it/it upsetting, it’s often used to insult or dehumanise visibly trans people, etc. So folks using this pronoun are perhaps warning others to be very careful about how to use this pronoun - but that’s purely speculation.

If we were going to extract a “nonbinary pronoun” from this data (as if he/him was a masculine pronoun and she/her was a feminine pronoun), it would be xe/xem. The most common use of this pronoun was:

xe/xem/xyr/xyrs/xemself (singular verbs)

This is Sam. Xe is a teacher. Xyr daughter often gets a ride to school with xem, though sometimes when she’s sick Sam drives to work by xemself. If Jenny leaves her lunch in the car by accident... well, that lunch is xyrs now!

It’s worth mentioning, though, that this pronoun set as it’s written above was only entered by 22 people - less than 1% of >2,500 nonbinary participants. Almost 1 in 4 participants preferred some form of singular they/them, most of them preferring “themself” rather than “themselves”, and plural verbs.

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TINY PERSONAL RANT

I’m going to take this opportunity to say that plural verbs are not weird. You already use plural verbs when talking to/about individuals all the time. They do not mean that you’re talking about more than one person, nor is it grammatically incorrect. Regardless of how old they/them is and how many famous writers have used it and whether or not they were right to do so, if you always say “you are” and you never say “you is” even when you are talking to one person, complaining about singular they but not singular you is a double standard.

If you’re reading this then you probably already know that. ;)

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CONCLUSION

I ran this survey to get more accurate information about pronoun preferences and pronoun sets, and I think I succeeded! I find the results interesting and helpful. I hope it’s interesting to others too, and I am really grateful to everyone who took part and helped to promote the survey.

I’m not sure whether I will run a pronouns-only survey like this again, but I may incorporate something like it into the annual survey. It made counting pronoun sets so much easier.

Thank you everyone!

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