#doesn't compare in the slightest to being there tho

[just-a-carrot]

I started playing OW remaster, and I have to say I'm really glad it exists, because I did want to properly replay OW someday, like without skipping, but my brain usually has trouble with replaying/rereading/rewatching stuff from beginning to an end. Maybe it's some mild adhd thing, I dunno, but it's really a focus issue thing over something I already know.

Anyway, it's really interesting to see the changes, and I think they're the best type of changes there could be. Like it enhances what was already there, without changing the vibe too much… sometimes remasters or remakes kinda try too hard, and feel like they lose the sight of their own goals, you know? But OW Remaster avoids that problem.

But what was interesting was that barbecue Gidget scene. When I played original OW for the first time, I somehow LOCKED IN on Gidget and immediately got the "putting up fake super girly facade, plus seems like someone with major anger issues" vibe right from the get go. Like poor Gidget comes up and I'm immediately all puffed up like hissing cat. Part of it was that Gidgets small-talk felt exceptionally… I dunno, generic? normie? very guess-culture, as compared to Genzou and Orlam interactions… part of it was bc of the sprites, Gidget is the only person that's facing the screen directly. So the eyes seemed like they drill into my soul, and that smile felt like I was watched and analysed… and part of it was my personal experience with people like this - who were obsessed with conforming to some norm, but had tendency to blow up and end up aggressive or abusive even. Talk sweet, act sweet, emphasis on girlishness, act proper, like they want something but won't ever say it directly, but you can just see they are awkward or displeased or… well, there's something off altogether. And that triggered my brain to fear there's something scary lurking under the surface. My brain was just SCREAMING at me, red alarms blaring, and I wasn't buying into any of this act in the slightest.

It was funny, considering how on point that instinct feeling turned to be, but it happens to me sometimes. Like I look at the character, and I JUST KNOW what they're about. For better or for worse. And man, does it make the writing feel genius, because it's like "holy shit, it was on purpose, I most likely was meant to have those feelings to an extend, whether I realise or not!"

But that extra CG in remake with Gidget sitting by Iggy completely changed the vibe in my eyes (Or was it there but I forgot? I… don't think there was such CG there). Now they seem so sweet and warm, just reserved. It also feels like an extention of prologue, with little Gidget being most supportive of Iggy. I keep wondering if that CG wouldn't pacify me, if that was my first OW experience. Man, and then the Wonderland Gidget scenes would probably hit all the harder, instead of being a grim but still shocking confirmation of my fears and more…

Another thing that stood out to me in og OW was how, aside from few 1 on 1 interactions, Bucks seemed so… off to the side during the party. Just flipping burgers or getting caught up in family drama, while everyone else interacted with each other. I can't even describe the heartbreak, when last arc revealed that to be the point. Bucks was always the youngest, and mostly seemed to have only Hunar actively reaching out to her. And on some level, it must've added to the anguish she's dealt with, and the story structure with Bucky being off to the side until the endings supports that. Not to mention I kinda… I didn't want to ask Bucks about the baby on my first playthrough, bc Bucks was so visibly upset and frustrated… so it ended up with Hunar berating Bucky for never introducing Sadie, and me thinking their marriage is also fundamentally broken. And then in arc 5 it turns out how supportive Hunar was in past… Seriously, poor, poor Bucky. Poor both of them.

I'm happy to see she at least has CG in Remaster where she hangs out with everyone. Even tho she doesn't even take a seat with everyone and then walks away after a bit… so there's still some degree of separation from the group. But at least Bucks has gotten that little moment of being a part of the party.

Anyway, what I mean to say, from my pov these changes obscure those initial impressions I've got, but they're really good, since they add some comfort these characters deserve so much but will make the later reveals and arc developments hit all the more hard. Just… devastating in best way possible haha And there are so many subtleties everywhere, too. Sorry for ramble it ended up longer than i thought i'd be. Thank you for writing OW.

ahhhhh this was really lovely to read! and i'm really happy that you've enjoyed all the updates in the remaster so far ;-; 💕

this is really interesting???

i... hadn't quite thought about what some of the potential vibe changes that could happen as a result of some of the changes... i feel like with the BBQ in general the OG version didn't get it quite enough of the weight i wanted it to, like to feel like more of a foundational scene, which is why i wanted to give it a few more CGs, particularly showing some of the chars that got skimmed a bit because i ran out of time and energy (and honestly didn't have the artistic skills yet to work on some of the larger CGs, etc.), but i hadn't thought about how that lack -> to then having could potentially also alter the vibe a bit. i am indeed glad that it gives some of the characters more comfort? as despite everything, i do want the BBQ to feel like the last point of comfort to get close to the chars before everything goes off the rails hahaha...

the gidget part did have a CG before! though i completely redrew it as both of them look super off-model before. it does have expressions now, too, which the old CG didn't, so that might also be influencing some of it. it's so funny that you mention gidget feeling super intense in their sprite LOLOL it's true that gidget's is the only one that's STRAIGHT-ON. and i think the old sprites having very small pupils was something that probably contributed to that. it's one of the big things that i've done to almost every new sprite and CG tweak is to make their eyes look less so 0______0 both in the shape and also in the pupils, so that might have also played a part in gidget's extra INTENSITY in their sprite hahaha

ahhhh at any rate, this was incredibly intriguing to me to read and also i'm just really happy to hear about your general thoughts on some of the changes and updates!! i really love hearing what people think about it lkajdfa so thank you very much!! 💕

[max-nico]

Since we're making aromantic trend on Valentine's day...

Aromantic Shadow the Hedgehog Headcanons

In other words, an entire post of me projecting onto Shadow the Hedgehog

Shadow who grew up on a space ship with his older sister and a bunch of scientists and was never really introduced to the concept of romantic love

Who never catches on when ANYONE flirts with him (and would be pretty uncomfortable if he did)

Who's just very averse to touch in general

Shadow, much like a lot of aromantic people, can't really figure out the difference between romantic and platonic love

He can begrudgingly admit he cares about his friends and family but past that, he's really unsure

For Shadow, even the word love pushes how he feels about the people around him. The only person he's ever truly loved was Maria, and most of his memories of her are wiped

So he still doesn't have a good base for what love feels like

I think a lot of Shadows character revolves around him figuring himself out, this is just another part of that

If he ever did get in a relationship then it wouldn't be even the slightest bit conventional

A lot of traditionally romantic things don't appeal to him and he doesn't really understand what the point of them are anyway. Maybe he can understand it from a logical point (like giving your partner flowers is the exact same as giving them a gift. So how can it be that different from buying a gift for your friends?) but there is an emotional disconnect

I think Shadow would go above and beyond for any partnership (whether romantic or platonic) that's just his personality

I'm sure Amy has tried to describe the difference to him, maybe she's talked about the reason she would follow Sonic to the ends of the earth. Of course, Shadow knows that she would do that for everyone of her friends, but still can't grasp what makes Sonic different

Though in his defense, he can't wrap his head around almost anything Sonic does. Shadow finds him irrational

In general, Shadow and Amy have an amazing character contrast. Amy is an absolute lover girl, obsessed with love, loving, and being in love. Compared to Shadow, who's been a huge loner his entire life and turns up his nose at the thought of people holding hands

They're best friends tho I think :p

Anyway in conclusion:

[maboroshi-no]

hello, hope you having a good day. Thanks for your translation as always 💓 I dont know it is a good question or not and feel free to not answering this if you find my question is bothering or pressuring sorry in advance 😔🙏🏻. what do you think about the development of Harem personality/character from Fortune lover into hamefura (current) timeline, do you find it amusing? And which character development do you find it interesting the most. Because in some case I find that geordo character is interesting because there some part that didnt really change from him (which im not hating it tho, I find in interesting) thank you so much 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Hello,

I also love how everyone is different in the Hamefura timeline compared to the Fortune Lover timeline 😁.

I particularly find Keith and Mary's changes very amusing.

Keith went from a playboy to the most innocent boy, and I love that big contrast. When you switch from Hamefura to verge of doom, he always feels so fresh. And I love both versions of him.

I also love Mary's transformation, from a loving fiancee who just wanted to support the one she loved, to an assertive, proactive, cunning and charismatic woman. I really felt bad for Mary in Fortune Lover and I love how strong she has become in the Hamefura timeline. Seeing her boss Alan around feels like revenge from the bad treatment she got in Fortune Lover.

I also love Alan's change, though it is not because I find it amusing, but more because he is such a better person in the Hamefura timeline. In Fortune Lover he was a jerk who only cared about beating Geordo and he openly cheated on Mary despite all her support. In the Hamefura timeline, he is so chill and won't let anyone provoke him so easily. He may let Mary boss him around but I'd like to believe it is more because he cares about her and wants to support her than because he is scared of her. I also especially love how he is man enough not to be the slightest bit upset when Geordo calls him "whipped" and just matter-of-factly tells him that he and Mary have their own relationship.

As for Geordo, sure, he went from a blackhearted prince from a complete simp who doesn't care about looking cool anymore and will stay on the lookout in a place where Katarina is supposed to go, but I find his change more endearing than amusing. After reading the LN11 SS about his childhood, we can see that Katarina had enabled him to care about people.

I love how Sophia is so free-spirited in the Hamefura timeline thanks to Katarina's influence and how Maria didn't end up becoming someone who only cared about being liked no matter the consequences. Though for Nicol, while it is a good thing that he is happy in the Hamefura timeline, I loved how he allowed himself to romance the one he loved in the Fortune Lover timeline.

And that's about all I can say

[tarisilmarwen]

Rebels Rewatch: "The Last Battle"

Well TCW fans were happy lol.

It's weird to write these as someone who has very little emotional investment in TCW.

Okay, full disclaimer, I have seen quite a chunk of the show, the husband showed me several of the best arcs, I've seen scattered bits and pieces here and there so I know who a lot of the key players are, a lot of the important events and everything but... I dunno the whole Clone Wars era has just never been a big area of interest for me.

Happy for y'all tho?

Anyway.

[Insert commentary about how this show has really gorgeous environments and y'all sleeping on this work and effort.]

Kanan lampshading the tendency for missions to go sideways ha ha.

Ooof this verbal stumble by Rex is painful, he doesn't know how to act in a scenario where a Jedi is not his commanding officer, ouch.

Oh wow, just like Ezra, Rex shields himself inside his helmet.

Ezra messing with the B1 head awww.

Side note: I LOVE how stocky the model for clones is in Rebels. TCW clones always felt too tall and thin to me, Rebels clones look way more like Temura Morrisan's actual physique.

Ezra accidentally being insensitive about the Clone Wars moment number 1.

Kanan's comment about "scars you can't see". Something the animated shows have always excelled at is showing the genuine aftereffects of PTSD.

Ezra's been playing the Watson role for the past few episodes and it is adorable.

Rex's initial panic when he thinks he's back in the war. :(((

I understand that TCW fandom cried a lot about Rex calling Cody's name unconsciously here.

*sobs* Ezra still looks so TINY compared to everyone else.

Kalani assumed the shutdown order was a Republic trick lol.

Lasats not being part of the Clone Wars is an interesting detail. Obviously, Doylistically speaking, they couldn't have been since they weren't created yet, but also I like the idea that Lasats were adamantly against participating in the conflict and the Separatists took one look at them and decided invading them anyway wasn't worth it.

Ezra maybe naively jumps into things feet first, to Rex and Kanan's consternation. They both already know that War Is Hell. But they also have the best chance of getting out of the situation if they relive their collective war experiences and face their past by fighting one last Clone Wars battle.

Oh hey! It's the shuttle they'd repurpose later as the Phantom II!

Hera and Sabine's small B-plot is very brief, but hilarious.

I think Pryce must have pulled a LOT of political favors in order to be granted occasional command of her own Star Destroyer. She's apparently allowed to lay a trap for the Spectres specifically and has the authority to deploy local Imperial outposts, too.

Not bad for a planetary governor. But then, Pryce was always ambitious beyond her station.

She attached herself to Thrawn primarily for the advancement opportunities, I think.

The sex was probably good too I mean what?

The boys be looking good.

Lol Kanan can hear the cacophony of clanking droid footprints.

Poor Ezra is so lost with all these references.

This is just a fun adventure for him, he doesn't have the frame of reference to know just how harrowing and dangerous this could be for the average Clone Wars Jedi commander and clone unit. So he doesn't know to keep tighter formation and wants to keep charging ahead instead of waiting to assess.

Rex casually calling his training and conditioning and genetic modulation his "programming", directly comparing himself to the droids. Ow. Ow ow ow ow. Hurting in "Central thesis of TCW, that the clones are not just identical mindless meat droids but individual and free-thinking men" feelings.

Kalani and Zeb's exchange here is hilarious.

Chopper jumpscaring Ezra lol.

Just wholecloth grabs his wrist like an excited kid trying to show their parent something.

He's come so far, I'm so proud. All he needs is the slightest gesture.

OH HEY IT'S MY FAVORITE SCENE.

Rex is... I think a little rattled by getting hit. Sure, the armor protected him, but you know it can't have been fun and he probably thought for a moment he had gone down for real. So yeah, Ezra's innocently flippant attitude about things upsets him.

"A good soldier follows orders!" Ouch. Ow ow ow ow that phrase, Rex, please.

You know it's something that's gotta echo inside his head constantly, his programming won't let him forget it.

Eternally a fan of the kicked-puppy flinch Ezra gives here.

Kanan immediately reassuring Ezra that it's not him. <3

The beginnings of a realization.

I slowed this sequence way down to check where Ezra got hit (for... reasons) and from what I can tell, it looks like Ezra didn't quite manage to block a shot and some of it fritzed past his blade and hit his right collar, right where his armor is.

Rex gets dinged in the helmet moments later, but as he said, "Gen 1 armor always holds up." Once again, Rebels showing off the importance of good armor. :)

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The group get up to the command center and Ezra starts to live up to his name as "bridger" between disparate groups, first pointing out that by all rights the droids should have won their skirmish, they were just too old to actually function correctly. Kalani agrees and claims victory, but Ezra also pushes against that, pointing out that none of them actually won the Clone Wars. It just... ended.

The more techie side of Star Wars YouTube have analyzed both sides and concluded that, absent the obvious direction and self-sabotage by Palpatine, the Separatists would have eventually won the Clone Wars. But of course the sabotage and playing both sides was the point. No one was supposed to win the Clone Wars because it wasn't a real war, it wasn't naturally occurring or organic, it was a massive artificial power play by Palpatine, who instigated, incited, prolonged, and manipulated things so that whichever side "won", he would come out on top as the victor standing on the corpses of the Jedi.

Palpatine set both sides up to fail.

This is something Star Wars fandom repeatedly fails to understand, there was no winning in this whole situation. The trap was too carefully set, nothing the Jedi or the Senate or the Separatists did could have prevented the war from happening and nothing they did could have stopped its ultimate endgoal, which was the destruction of the Jedi Order and the consolidation of power under Palpatine as sole ruler of the galaxy. That's the whole tragedy, that they tried so hard, got so close, but ultimately could not prevent that awful fate from happening.

Barring Anakin sitting his ass down for just five more minutes or slashing through the correct party in Palpatine's office, there was no narrative escape. The choices were damned if you do, damned if you don't, and either way you're ending up dead.

Anyway, Ezra's armor-piercing questions absolutely stun Rex and Kalani into silence for a moment before Zeb points out the Empire won. Because they decided to conveniently show up just in time for a good Enemy Mine situation lol.

Kalani resists the logic at first since he's not at war with the Empire but the Stormtroopers casually destroying his scout unit probably helped change his mind lol.

Ezra Persuasion Checks both Kalani and Rex into accepting the team-up, like the budding little diplomat he is. :)

"Well this takes trust to a whole new level." Lol.

Nice to see the B1s retaining their status as hilariously abused butt monkeys.

Rex praising Ezra for "ending the Clone Wars" ahhhhh.

Sabine's eyes lighting up when she sees the shuttle they're bringing awww.

And TCW-inspired credits as a nice little homage.

Predictably this is one of the husband's favorite episodes. It's a fun little romp, pays some love to TCW and develops Ezra's character a bit. It doesn't really affect the larger story outside of that so I guess it could be called filler, but it's a fun filler.

[differentcoloredcontacts]

Ooooh what do you think 1-B would be like with an S/O that's easily flustered? Like, the slightest touch or flirtation makes them a mess???

Not proofread we die like men

Awase - he purposely does stuff to make you blush all the time! He will do tons of little things all day in front of everyone to make you flustered. And he teases you about it non stop

Sen - he teases you about how easily flustered you are every now and then but other than that he doesn't do anything specific

Kamakiri - he finds it hilarious and makes fun of you for it all the time. He does everything he can to make you a blushing mess 24/7

Kuroiro - he wants to be that 'cool' guy that makes you blush on purpose all the time but every time he even thinks about doing that stuff he becomes the blushing mess

Kendo - she finds the whole thing adorable honestly. She pokes fun at them every now and then but overall she doesnt do much

Kodai - she honestly forgets you blush so easily until she starts to hold your hand or smthn and you become a mess lol.

Komori - she does tons of little things all day to make you blush a little more until you become a flustered mess by the end of the day

Shiozaki - she only does little things to make you blush lightly throughout the day but nothing to make you extremely flustered. At least she tries not to lol.

Shishida - he doesnt do much to make you blush or flustered but he does find it adorable when you do blush. Tho he keeps that to himself

Shoda - he also blushes easily. Not as bad as you but its still there. He will grab your hand and while you turn into a tomato he also has a light blush on his face.

Pony - she makes sure to do things to make you blush all the time. She finds your flustered face adorable and she will tease you about it

Tsubaraba - he would do things to make you blush/ embarrassed even if you didnt blush that easily. He only turns his flirting up when he finds out how easily flustered you are.

Tetsutetsu - he finds it to be adorable! He likes to do things to make you flustered every now and then but hes pretty tame compared to everyone else.

Tokage - while everyone else teases you for being flustered she tries to have a regular conversation with you while shes making you blush really bad. (And thats arguably worse lmao)

Manga - he does everything he can to make you flustered but he kinda gets flustered too. He'll grab your hand and you both start blushing lol

Honenuki - he doesn't make a big deal out of it. He treats you as he normally would if you weren't so easily flustered. (He does find it really cute tho)

Bondo - he finds it cute but it also makes him 10x more gentle with you. He still compliments you and stuff but its all really tame.

Monoma - his teasing is 10x worse than everyone else in the class combined. He will whisper something in your ear before an important mission to turn you tomato colored and make you lose focus lol

Reiko - she finds it cute but she wouldent let you know that and she teases you for it lightly but other than that she doesn't do anything too special

Rin - he forgets how easily you blush until hes wondering why youre so red after he draped himself over you lmao. Hes already a very cuddley person so you are blushing 24/7 and hes not even trying

I am re watching bnha and I am struggling to get thru season 1 because class b doesn't show up til season 2 :(

[dangermousie]

Honestly, by any objective standard, this drama is a hot mess. But it's an addictive one and the main reason it works is Lee Jun Ki's performance. That man hard carried this so much, he should have been nicknamed Atlas.

I love the smirk:

I have to say, perhaps it's because I am older and crankier, but IU's character is driving me INSANE this time around and not in a good way. She's good-hearted but SHE IS SO FUCKING DUMB!!!! She is in 10th century! A very hierarchical place where a dozen people get murdered before breakfast for the slightest sin. And yet she keeps repeatedly crashing royal male baths, physically fighting (!!!) with a royal prince and arguing/demanding stuff with another one. That's not being brave or justice-seeking, that is YOU HAVE THE BRAIN CAPACITY OF A CHAIR!!!! When her cousin mentions that her behavior can bring trouble not just to her, but to the cousin and cousin's husband the prince she is chastened for about two minutes until restarting. If this was in any way reflecting reality, she'd have been murdered before second ep ended. When I compare her to the smart, poised Ruoxi of the original BBJX I want to shake the writer and ask what shrooms they were on and why. (To be fair, she gets better later, somewhat, but she never truly grows a brain, just learns patterns of bevior somewhat.)

Like - this scene is cute and all but in RL man - wtf are you doing woman. He's a royal prince. Nobody likes him, but he could still murder you and only get a "reflect on your actions" as an admonishment.

Or this, where she interrupts his manhunt. And gets taken hostage by a bad guy and is shocked he's all DNGAF kill her, I am here for info.

She objectively knows she's in 10th century but she sure doesn't act like this.

This was delightful tho and tells you how functional this OTP is gonna be:

I guess that's the peril of trying to make this a proper period show AND a shoujo romance. There is just enough realism (mainly in So's interactions with his family) that the shoujo heroine logic bits make me go but but but...

[oneatlatime]

Season 1 Zuko & Iroh Thoughts

Zuko

zuko is a villain when he's trying, an asshole when he's not. He's not even very effective! He's bad at being a bad guy, and when he isn't actively being a bad guy, he's just an unpleasant person. -Do I have enormous sympathy for him? Yes, especially after The Storm's backstory revelation. -Is he in an enormously awful situation? Yes, although he's not the only character in an enormously awful situation, and others in situations as bad are doing far better. -Do I like who he is as a person? Nope. Not at all. He's an unpleasant scoundrel. He's an ass. He does have some useful and arguably good qualities - he's driven, has (some) planning ability, is bonkers at swords, and occasionally remembers not to be a dick to his uncle or his crew.

I don't deny that a lot of what I dislike about him is caused by the difficult extenuating circumstances that apply to him. But, even if all those difficulties disappeared, I feel like I wouldn't find his base personality appealing either. That being said, I don't know if I've glimpsed the "real" Zuko yet. I don't think there has been an episode yet where he doesn't have a reason to be on high alert. But in episodes when he's not actively pursuing the Gaang, he's yelling at his crew or his uncle.

He does seem to have a (deeply buried) inner core of decency and lines he won't cross, unlike Zhao. After Sokka and Katara helped Aang escape Zuko's ship back in episode 2, he didn't go back and destroy the southern water tribe. Zhao would have. Zhao never would have accepted Aang's deal to protect the tribe in the first place. But rather than making Zuko an appealing character, this inner core of decency just makes him a less effective villain. It's too small to make him someone to root for; it's just big enough to have enough of a restraining effect on his villainy to make him seem pathetic compared to other Fire Nation villains.

At the end of season 1, my question regarding Zuko is this: why does any fan like him? You can't root for him as a villain, because he's not callous or suave enough to be a badass, crazy enough to be entertaining, or competent enough to be a threat. You can't admire him when he's not actively in villain mode, because he's a disrespectful shouty little butt. My very limited knowledge of this show before I watched it did include the tidbit that Zuko had a big fanbase. Why tho?

Iroh

Iroh obviously has something deeper going on. Which I find confusing. He obviously doesn't have the same 'burn the world' zeal as Zhao, and in fact is more interested in defending the world as a whole than advancing Fire Nation interests when the chips are down (see him defending the moon fish). I think he still supports the Fire Nation cause; I think he would be more actively discouraging Zuko's Avatar hunting if he didn't still support/believe it.

It was Zuko's ship they were on, so Iroh doesn't have command over or responsibility for Zuko, which means that he can't just tell Zuko what to do. But he's shown himself to be someone capable of subtlety (at least the amount of subtlety required to get something past Zuko). And he's shown himself to be capable of teenager wrangling. So I'm forced to conclude that the 'something deeper' that is going on with Iroh is the fact that he is either currently on the fence about, or slowly drifting away from, Fire Nation ideals. He can't actually disapprove of what the Fire Nation is doing, otherwise he would have taken advantage of the last three years of totally uninterrupted contact with his nephew to start steering him in an anti-war direction.

So either Iroh has only the slightest anti-war leanings at the moment, or it took literally every second of Zuko's last three years at sea to recover from getting half his face blown off. While I can believe that the injury was slow to heal (especially the psychological side), one of the first lines that Iroh says in episode one is cautioning Zuko against getting his hopes up about having found the Avatar because there had been countless red herrings previously. Which implies that they've been actively Avatar hunting for a while.

So my question is this: if, as I am being led to believe, Iroh does not fully support the Fire Nation war, why has he not, at any point over the last three years at sea, attempted to sway Zuko into thinking the same? I could understand not wanting to rip the rug out from under Zuko if they were a few months into their banishment, but after three whole years, is it not borderline irresponsible of a guardian-ish figure to allow their charge to keep believing in something they suspect may be untrue? Surely in the three years since banishment, Zuko has seen enough destruction caused by the Fire Nation for him to start putting the pieces together himself?

That being said...

I'm meh on Iroh; I actively dislike Zuko. But Zuko + Iroh? That's good stuff. Their dynamic is exponentially more than the sum of its parts. Their interactions are believable and entertaining. Of the first ten episodes, my favourite is The Winter Solstice Part 1: The Spirit World, in part because of their odd couple dynamic. Zuko is only tolerable when he's bouncing off Iroh. Iroh is at his best when he's in Zuko wrangling mode. I forget that I dislike Zuko when he's having a non-shouty interaction with Iroh. And then he goes and talks to shouts at someone else and I remember why I dislike him.

I do think Zuko is an ass on a very fundamental level, but I also wonder if he plays that up when he's around people he's not comfortable with. Take Zuko and Iroh's interactions when Zuko is stowing away on Zhao's ship to the North Pole. Quiet, controlled, genuine, almost as much left unsaid as is spoken aloud. They obviously have a deep understanding of each other. And they have mutual respect, although Zuko would never admit it. Now compare that to Zuko and Katara interacting in the Spirit Oasis when Zuko is trying to kidnap Aang. The jerk tendencies are turned up to 11. Which wasn't actually necessary, and probably detrimental since Zuko's one liner announced his presence and took away the element of surprise.

So maybe Zuko isn't that much of a jerk deep down. But since Zuko is not the main character of this show, we're pretty much guaranteed to only see Zuko in the context of interacting with others in the cast, where he will be a jerk. So whether or not he is as much of a jerk as he appears will be irrelevant, because we'll only see him in contexts where he is at maximum jerkiness, if that makes sense?

Honestly I don't even know if Zuko and Iroh will be in season 2. Zuko is on the box art for my season 3 DVD, so I guess he comes back at some point, but by the end of season 1 he and Iroh are no one and have nothing. The days of them being a threat, even a nuisance, to the Gaang are over. What can the writers even do with these characters now? Where can they possibly go?

[astralfuchs]

Given how “unique” a Miku concert would be I’m surprised Crypton themselves didn’t send some team members or equipment personally to make sure things are set up right bc other than some performers that might hide their face/wear disguises idk how many usual concert locations have something prepped for “holo” projections compared to Japan and their Vtuber boom (although I’d rather buy a plushie from a booth but hopefully at least the theatres would have good sound quality)

Sucks for any workers scrambling and getting hate/hope it doesn’t affect the sales of any other indie ppl performing their concerts

The weird thing is it worked before. I went to miku Expo 2018 in cologne and 2020 in Berlin. Both times it was an actual hologram concert with the same band as magical Mirai. Neither of these two locations had a concert like this before, I'm pretty sure. All of the equipment must've been toured around with thew Miku Expo crew. Going against advertising and expectations (basically all of these concerts, and like all of them in recent years were holographic) without notifying buyers beforehand and also not even afterwards when people keep asking is, to put it lightly, customer unfriendly at best and a scam at worst.

I arrived a bit late in 2018 since I only had standard so I don't know how it was there, but in 2020 people went around giving out free stickers and badges, or general stuff they got from other miku events. One of them seemed to be a huge meiko fan so when she gifted me something I gave her the meiko badge I got from the random gacha button bags. Stuff like that really made it feel like a community coming together, so reading that giving out badges, stickers, etc. wasn't allowed this year, even for people who specifically got an okay from cfm and also got their stuff stolen from is surreal.

I had vip in 2020 and as far as I know everyone got their vip merchandise, which doesn't seem to be the case this year, which makes no sense because you would know how many people at this location have the vip ticket. Another thing I read is that vip ticket holders were supposed to be let in earlier for merchandise and the concert hall but it didn't happen, which also worked flawlessly before in my experience.

Merchandise being not enough for everyone is sadly not new, I was in line for it in 2018 and when I was three people away the store people shouted they were all sold out, which was very much a bummer but I thankfully bought the penlight and t-shirt beforehand in the online store so it wasn't too bad for me and as I said I was quite late to the so definitely in the latter half of the people that got in. Still should've been more but I would chalk it up to being the first concert in Europe and them not having expected such a huge crowd maybe. How this is still the case 6 years later and in America where there were concerts way before 2018 is beyond me.

I don't know if this is because of crunchyroll (it probably is tho) but I can't say cfm is innocent either since they partnered with them and it's their job to ensure everything is up to standard, which clearly didn't happen.

For me, I was really happy to hear there was going to be a Europe one again, especially since I really loved it, it is such a magical experience so the last year's being online only made me super sad since it isn't the same in the slightest, but seeing it's also partnered with crunchyroll I decided against it. It's because I loved it so much that it really saddens me to see what is currently going on (also probably why I wrote so much, very sorry). Miku Expo is one of the best, magical and insane events you can go to as a vocaloid/piaproloid fan and I wish for all fans, people who've been in the Fandom longer and already have been to Miku Expo, and newer fans that didn't have the chance yet, to have that same experience but this is not it. This being someone's first miku expo experience is just a sad thing to think about considering what a massive downgrade the experience is. I hope there will be official statements soon and that the people who are currently experiencing it still have a good time.

[odysseys-blood]

thinking about what it means that in the coffin set hyuna's is the only one that looks like its made of wood and its the only one without any kind of bedding inside (this is all just kinda incoherent rambling)

so ok im sure theres many reasons and pieces to why its like that but my first thoughts are focused on

a) her coffin being the only organic looking one and

b) how simple it is.

in terms of the simplicity i think its because she threw away all comforts she was afforded as a pet when she escsped to join the rebellion and while it isnt comfortable living in the slightest (at least compared to before), it also is the closest she can get to in the current society to living a real life. and it really is just so simple. no bedding like i mentioned its completely bare and just made of wooden planks for the sides and the back and theres no kind of embellishments on the coffin it really is just a box slapped together to put her in. but thats ok for her because she just wants to live a real life that she can call her own. she doesn't want all the synthetic comforts if it means she has to be kept under lock and key the more freedom she has to be who she wants the better

also unrelated to that another thing to notice is how shes one of the only two with an object (aside from flowers) in her coffin. the other is till, who is holding his recorder (which i believe was a gift from mizi tell me if im wrong tho bc im not on the patreon im assuming from other official art) while hyuna has a gun just at the tip of her fingers. its the only inorganic thing there with her (well besides her leg but that is arguably just another part of her) and while its important enough to be buried with her as it was a means for protection and change, she's not clutching it like a lifeline like till is. she needs it like he needs his recorder but she isn't anywhere near as dependent on it.

and also unrelated to both of those i think the thing thats been making my gears turn the most is this is the only time it looks like she's purposefully covering up her name. even if it is a brand, in most other art (aside from like au's) her brand is out on display which i always thought of as her accepting where she came from as a pet and it being the driving force behind who she is today. there was never really a reason for her to deny it because even before she joined the resistance she wore her name out and acted as she wished. but she's got it covered up this time and ONLY at the very end. so im wondering if that's her way of defying death because i cant see her giving up on herself just because she died.

[macispanickingatthedisco]

Hey guys sorry for being so inactive I’m graduating and school has been crazy lol

Anyways!

My PATD Album opinions that literally no one asked for:

AFYCSO: Best storyline and lyrics for an album. Act Il is better overall but Act I has camisado and time to dance soooooo

We were robbed of Ryro's harmonies on the studio recording

Pretty. Odd.: My personal favorite album but I understand why people don't like it. Behind the Sea ain't all that and I feel like people are lying to themselves when they say it's their favorite on PO. Just say you think Ryro is hot. Also hot take: Ryan's vocals don't compare to Brendon's at all and PATD wouldn't be successful in the slightest without him. However, Ryro's lyricism will always be above Brendon's (although I personally love Folkin Around)

Vices and Virtues: Mid. This album just doesn't know what it wants to be honestly. It's not bad, but the music doesn't match the concept of the album as a whole and the lyrics are subpar. The best songs on VnV are the ones written by Ryro and Pete Wentz...

TWTLTRTD: I like maybe 4 songs.. It's just such a random sound and the Dallon influence is STRONGGGGG. Girl/girls/boys will always have my heart tho and the story behind This is Gospel makes me sad

Death of a Bachelor: Most consistent sounding album since AFYCSO and that's saying something. For it being Brendon's first solo project, it's a really solid album. It was the album that got me into Panic.

Pray For The Wicked: Gets wayyy too much shit. Panic was already commercial atp so idk why people were so mad. It also had a very consistent sound and concept. Tbh Brendon's solo projects were all very consistent and all the songs flowed nicely compared to TWTLTRTD, VnV, or Pretty. Odd. Bro deserves more credit. I will say the lyrics are all veryyy mid tho and nothing special

VLV: Ehh. Definitely the worst album and sounds very rushed to be produced (and Brendon has even admitted this himself), but it's not like...the worst thing l've ever heard. Brendon's vocals just aren't as strong as they have been and he really only utilized his upper register. Local God is the best song on the album by far

[rwqv]

bro i would talk and talk and talk about toji and megumi for hours and hours upon end if someone let me .... im so serious they are two of my favorite favorite characters ever there is so much to be said about them ............ like yeah ok toji is hot and megumi is the most beautiful boy in jjk but oh my god i can talk so much about their characters and their actions and what they say like .. THIS is what my english classes were preparing me for

YES BRAH UGHHH everyone always memes that megumis only character trait is summoning mahoraga which .. dont get me wrong its funny and all but like the point is that bro does not wanna be alive.. like he KNOWS that if he summons mahoraga its over ... and he ONLY tries to summon mahoraga when he needs someone to fight for him, not to actually obtain the shikigami. and its cus he knows he has so much potential but hje just doesn't push himself to use it .. unlike someone like gojo or yuji whjo we see in that scene where gojo points out that megumi lost his turn during the baseball game.

like hes supposed to sort of sort of be a character foil of yuji AND a parallel of geto .... which .... when he couldn't keep up with gojo's growth You Know. ....

anyways ya i agree with u gojos character arc was pretty much finished and it was a good place for him to die. like i want him to come back but at the same time it would be really like unrealistic and bad writing if he did. So I guess my glorious king can die i gess ...

grrr i luvv character analyses ... yes ugh riko and gojo were SO siblings coded ugh dont get me started on them... the scene of riko being sad about having to leave okinawa and gojo trying to get them to stay longer UGHHHHH hes so adorable bro ughhhh i miss himmmm

you sorta see some of the kamo clan and noritoshi later .. thats around the place im on .. its kinda a snooze fest tho so i havent read much still

DID ANYONE LOVE HIM AS A KID LMFAOOOOOO dude i saw this tiktok that was liek "when the character is cocky and full of himself but its actually because he has an awfulk childhood with no love" or something and i was like GOJO .......... i find that a lot of my favorite characters are super sassy but also super sad ........

bro on everyones life but mine higuruma and nanami are together in heaven ON EVERYONHES LIFE I SWEAR ..... so so many interactions that i just know would be fire. THATS WHY TJKN IS SUCH A TOP TIER SHIP LIKE I SWEAR THEY WOUOLD FIGHT LIKE CRAZY

gojo said it correctly- this is the difference between yuji and megumi. what a shame that this was barely emphasized in the anime but megumis tactic is to win by dying while yuji will win even if he dies. mahoraga is megumis trump card

megumi cant push himself to the extremes that yuji and gojo do, like lots of humans. most people will turn away by instinct from the slightest amount of failure, or if some feel like they have no choice, they will die just to win. yuji always has hope while megumi has a trump card. thats why yuji still continued after what sukuna did in yujis body at shibuya... even though he was devastated and lost motivation, there was always a source of hope (in shibuya it was todo)

talk about toji and megumi alll u want!! im here to listen

i was tbinking abojt it while driving.. naoya might be similar to gojo ....in the sense that naoya vs. maki parralells the first fight between toji vs. gojo. naoya has cursed energy and still underestimated how good maki was, while gojo did the same thing. gojo was an arrogant teenager who thought nothing could kill him, just like naoya did. and they both "died" to be revealed not to be dead completely. i thought naoya was dead after the first encounter but hes like a cockroach bro. ig thats whay toji thoight of gojo LMFAO

but toji is compared so much with maki its crazy like how they were both looked down upon for only using cursed weapons and their commanding presence 🤔

i will miss you my gojo my blue eyed king. yknow i did hear something crazy on tiktok., since yuta is still trapped in gojos body and how gojos soul is still probably there (like in the case of geto when kenjaku was binding gojo in the prison realm.. me too geto me too i get kooky when i see a beautiful twink tied up and bent at an angle i mean whatt) and in an effort to save gojo and yuta they feed the last sukuna finger to gojos body and it becomes this weird ass mix of all three. (since sukuna is still too weak to do anything) i really hope this isnt the case but i do kinda hope they save yuta... mf is the next gojo or whatever 😭😭😭

GOJO WAS SO CUTE AS A SIBLING AND GETO WAS TOO LIKE THEY BOTH JUST WANTED HER TO HAVE FUN AND THEY WERE READY TO PROTECT HER FROM DYINGGG I DISLIKED TOJI SO MUCH IN THAT MOMENT... i watched the scene even before i knew what jjk was so it was spoiled anyways but it didnt hurt any less

i saw noritoshi kamo later on... hes kinda 🤫🤫🤫 with short hair😍 in shibuya he was a bitchass tho "me?!" no not u mf u couldnt even land a single arrow even wirh your clan technique dont EVEN. no one cares abiut you the better kamo is choso and choso 4ever.

I GOT SO SAD SEEI G THAT TIKTOK LIKE THE GOJO CLAN IS THE REASSOKNNNN GOJO TURNED OUT LIKE THAT AND NEVER HAD A CHILDHOODDD 😭😭 HE HAD BOUNTY HUNTERS ON HIS ASS THE WHOLE TIME FREE HIM the sassiest ones are the best in my opibion like yess

it might jusy be me or i feel like toji would be super sassy and also be a girl dad. like hed spoil his daughter and let her do his nails or makeup and talk about drama and hed do dress up with her and wear princess costimes and have tea time toggejrr 😭😭😭 and when she grew up hed listen to all her boy problems and stuff and buy her shit😭 the daughter would renind him of mamaguro and hed love her forever 😢😢😢 SORRY.. ooc not toji because hes dead

what i also like about tojis character is that he took his wifes name. in asian countries such as japan they take the fathers name like 95% of the time, so for toji to take his wifes name fushiguro is very out of place. he either hates zenin clan so much or loves her so much (most likely both)

WAIT THATS SO TRUE LIKE THEY BOTH WORK LIKE CRAZY and they arr both like very morally set and guided THATS SO COOL

also hirugama is kinda.. that nose..

Besides that

i dont know the manga that well these are all my assumptions 😢

[whimsicalcotton]

⭐_⭐?

okay i'm going to cheat a lil bit bc you sent me two stars so. two chunks i've been dying to talk to about. sorry hjhdfgdj

first off, this bit from ch.5 of Polluted Marrow;

She atones for what’s about to come out of her mouth by letting herself be gathered up and held still, gritting her teeth through the pins and needles of unwanted touch. And there, cradled in her mother's arms where no one else can hear her muffled voice as it creaks and croaks and crackles into being, Max delivers the killing blow. "I-If you want me in Seattle, you'll have to take me back in a bodybag." It works like a charm, ugly though it may be. First the arms around her slacken in surprise, then her mother pulls back to look at her, paled and appalled, hands tightening around her shoulders. Max holds her stare, because she means it with every mangled fibre of her soul. It's not a persuasion. It's a promise, a threat and a confession inextricably linked, crowned in shame and so, so heavy.  Yet more weight to shed.  And Max funnels all of that dread and disdain straight into her expression. She may still be small, she may look like nothing more than frail prey, but she's not the wide-eyed, innocent child her mother is thinking of. She can look out for herself, even if she treats it as an annoyance. She's taught herself discipline, focus, despair, perseverance. She can take hit after hit, and if she falls she knows to pick herself back up, dust herself off and get back in the ring. She’s been face to face with one of the most insidious creatures this world had to offer and made herself sharp enough to match him. Besides, it would be foolish to underestimate a prey's ability to injure. A deer's antlers can still batter, a rabbit's teeth can still puncture. She can see the realization dancing in her mother's gaze, bewilderment and worry marred by terror's gleam. 

okay so for some reason when i was writing up my brainstorming notes for this chapter, i did this scene from vanessa's perspective which was. really unhelpful when it came to actual writing but i managed to get something useable out of them lmao. anyways i specifically said "she's looking at Max and she's seeing all of her stubbornness and all of Ryan's quiet simmering determination" which i thought was metal af but i couldn't actually put it in bc of how i tend to do pov's. i still tried my best to weave The Vibe of it in there tho

speaking of Ryan there was also a little bit just before this where i mention that he isn't there, which stems from my headcanon that he's always felt really fucking bad about moving Max away from Chloe, so he tried to make it 'worth it' by working extra to have a bit more money. however this doesn't really work in his favor bc he ends up doing a fuckload of overtime and just doesn't have much time off so Max has been feeling more and more distant from him over the years; hence why she's not surprised + the slightest bit bitter in thinking, "But he's not here."

for my already cheating second bit i'm going to cheat More and talk about a fic i haven't even finished yet bc i'm really meguca-brained today.

so from the as of yet unpublished sequel to Spiderlily, Daffodil;

She sets a plate down in front of Homura. A meagre portion compared to her own, hardly more than a few spoonfuls.  "Eat," she says, nodding towards it. Homura blinks down at it. She can still taste saltwater. A scoff, small and hollow. Kyoko sits herself down on the opposite side of the table in a harsh, hapless heap. "Mami's too gentle on you, lettin' you skip meals all the time. Eat it or I'll kick your ass." There's no real threat in her tone, just low, weighted exhaustion. Her stubbornness remains intact, however. She sits there, stare piercing, arms crossed, until Homura finally takes a bite. Only then does she start on her own dinner.

i just. i'm so normal about my wraith timeline Kyoko and Mami looking after Homura like she's their sad wet dumpster cat <3

Kyoko tries her best to be patient but she projects a lot of her Sayaka trauma onto Homura and is much more willing to ask questions/call her out than Mami is. she and Mami have spoken at length about What To Do With Homura basically and most of the time she secedes to Mami's insistence on not pushing her too hard.

This scene takes place after Homura's done some Self Destructive Shit (again) and also Mami's not present so Kyoko has free reign to be as insistent as she wants. But despite grumbling about Mami being too gentle she is, in fact, also being super gentle by way of making dinner and tea and just doing her best to take care of the absolute trainwreck that is wraith arc Homura.

[haellen-o]

Haellen doesn't do... physical anything, even to loved ones and family. she rarely engages in anything that would require touch (handshakes, high fives, hugs, ect) mostly because she believes actions speak louder than words. so she only does it when she can't find the words to convey her feelings... Or doesn't want to find the words. so physical interaction is a very rare thing, but for anyone that knows haellen that kinda moment is to be cherished (Examples being her first kiss with nero. when she hugged both of the twins and told them they both were like the children she never had. and when she woke up from her coma after the fight with zenos in [REDACTED]

strangers are on a strict "No touch" policy tho. even for lords or ladies, kings and queens. You name it, if they aren't a friend you ain't allowed to touch on pain of verbose scolding about respecting peoples personal boundries and feelings

Ophelia on the other hand. does not care in the slightest for it... Like at all, granted no ones going to want to try and touch the giant elezen clad from the neck down in heavy plate mail with a large (compared to most non-tall people) sword and a perma-scowl on her gaze

it just does nothing for her... Unless its from ysayle then the answer is a very quiet please, because nothing is better than physical affection from the woman you love

wolqotd

Your WoL’s physical boundaries with strangers? How natural is it for them to shake hands? Hug? Bonus: the same but with friends/loved ones.

[quilloftheclouds]

Just a little glimpse into my walk last week~

(Sound on for wind and tree creaking. Please no reposting!)

[starry-eyed-steve]

What do you have against Ronance? It's clear Robin was attracted to Nancy as well as Vickie. Not only that, she jumped off a boat into monster-water for her, for goodness' sake. It's a bad-faith argument to say that people don't ship Vickie with Robin because she's a bisexual sapphic woman. Greatwise/Will and Gareth is not comparable in the slightest as that is a crack ship that never interacted. We DID have scenes with Robin and Vickie, though few.

And I'm gonna be So For Real, more people would ship Rovickie if Ronance was not there. People would devour those crumbs. But why choose crumbs, when you have a potential meal we spent a whole season with?

Okay, so this is really long, I'm sorry this took way too much time. I know I went a bit overboard. If there are any errors, please ignore lmao. Thank you for sending me an ask for a discussion. I also want to preface that I don't hate Nancy as a character, I don't like how she is written in certain situations and that the show overlooks mistakes she makes, and by pointing out those mistakes on her behalf is not me hating on her. Overall, I think she deserves better than what she is given both in the show and fandom.

First things first, Robin didn't jump into the water for Nancy. It was a delayed response after seeing her best friend being dragged under water. She's not as brave as Nancy. If we would apply the same logic, then Eddie would have jumped for Robin because he's in love with her. So no Robin jumped for Steve and should have been the first to do so, but because that scene was used for Stancy later (Eddie giving the speech to Steve in the woods) it had to be Nancy in that instance. It's really bothering me that this scene is so misread because people just don't get Robin's character. Who would you jump for, your best friend you know better than yourself or the girl you met a day ago?

The whole premise of Ronance (platonic or romantic) in s4 was so ooc for Robin, s3 Robin would have never acted the way like s4 Robin did. And I think that has something to do with what I said in the other post. We don't have enough time. There is no conflict when different groups of people come together because the show needs everyone to get along to save the world, and they couldn't elaborate on complex feelings a person might have towards others. So the show made Robin throw herself at Nancy's feet, despite thinking not too highly about her a season prior. Same with Steddie, the OG script was about how Steve and Eddie didn't get along first but it was cut out because there is no time to proper develop new relationships, even tho it would be more interesting. But again, that would mean the show would have to give us more episodes, which is unfortunately not the case.

So you see, I just don't think Robin would have acted the way she did around Nancy based on the character traits she displayed in s3. Furthermore, I will bring up Steve, which is a sensitive topic when it comes to Ronance. I don't want to come off as someone who in general makes a lesbian/sapphic relationship about a man's feelings, however because Steve has history with both girls I can't ignore him because Robin wouldn't either.

A little bit of background of Robin prior to meeting Nancy:

In s3, Robin couldn't stand Steve, and later, we found out why. It had mostly to do with her crush, Tammy Thompson, who had only eyes for him. Yeah, he was obnoxious, and Robin couldn't stand his smugness and arrogance, but the main reason was Tammy and her being kinda jealous of Steve in general because he had no problems fitting in. So she held on to this grudge against Steve for maybe even years. That tells us she doesn't forget when someone has wronged her and maybe, to an extent, her friends. Like she seems to be a person who has your back, no matter what.

Idk if you consider Rebel Robin as canon (I mean Maya narrated the podcast soo I mostly view it that way) but before Barb was Nancy's bff, she was close with Robin and later ditched her for Nancy. That in itself would leave a bad taste in Robin's mouth, and I guess she wouldn't be Nancy's biggest fan. Maybe that's why the priss comment in s3. Again, she had no problem disliking Steve because her crush liked him, but then she does an 180 with Nancy despite Barb being her actual friend leaving her for Nancy. Losing a friend to another person is much worse than a crush you never talked to, not liking you back or liking someone else.

But even if you ignore the Barb stuff and don't think it's canon, Robin still wouldn't be Nancy's biggest fan in the beginning and that has something to do with how Stancy ended and Jancy begun. You have to keep in mind Steve is Robin's bff, one if not the most important person in her life. He's everything to her she trusts him completely. He was maybe even the first person to know she was gay. Then why on earth would Robin A try to befriend Nancy, who broke his heart, and B trying to push her without a thought to get together with him again. It doesn't make any sense to me, based on how Robin was introduced.

Steve may have not any hard feelings for Nancy, maybe he only said positive things about her to Robin because he still views himself as the only person who fucked up in that relationship and not that Nancy was already in love with Jonathan for a while before things ended. Idk where you stand on the whole cheating thing, but it doesn't matter because rumors outside of the relationship would spread. Steve, the most popular guy in school, who is well liked, got left by his girlfriend of 1 year for the school freak, not even 2 days after a public fight. Like people would go crazy and Robin would have heard those rumors as well. You have to admit getting together with a new guy, not even after 48h is, I don't want to say weird, but not very cool, okay? Plus, Tommy would spread extra nasty shit because he hates Nancy and Jonathan and wants to hurt Steve as well. Robin would view her through those rumors, plus Steve having a hard time letting go, being heartbroken about it, there is no doubt in my mind that she wouldn't side eye Nancy.

Those two reasons, Barb and how Stancy ended, are the main ones as to why I think Robin was ooc for desperately wanting to befriend Nancy.

So the way I would have built up Ronance would be Robin being aloof towards her, and Nancy would have been the one who wanted to befriend her in the first place. Nancy never has to work for her relationships with others. People usually make the first move with her, so she never has to give much thought to it. Like Steve still loves her, Jonathan was ready to follow her wherever even if it endangered his family, and Fred followed her around like a lost puppy as well. And with Robin, it could have gone differently. Nancy should have made it her mission to make it up to Robin. Like she desperately wants a friend, she doesn't understand why Robin is being cold to her. By making her the instigator, Nancy would have to reflect on her mistakes and how she treated people, which would finally give her some personal character growth. Plus, it would have made the introduction to Stancy (romantic or platonic) way smoother and more balanced because Nancy never reflected on it. Steve's just available she doesn't have to make it up to him as well. Nancy never really addresses her faults in relationships, and the narrative in Stranger Things lets her off the hook every time. Letting Steve believe he was a terrible boyfriend despite liking Jonathan instead of him? No problem, no consequences. Steve still likes her. In s3 the show was again on her side when she fought with Jonathan by giving her the Karen pep talk, yes she apologized to him but she didn't understand his struggles really because she gave him the don't ever doubt me comment which kinda destroyed her apology imo. Furthermore, as soon as there was a rough patch in s4 with Jonathan, she expected him to come to her instead of going to him and fixing it because she has the financial means to do so, which indicates she still doesn't fully understand Jonathan's financial problems. Also, in general, Jonathan is terrified to tell her the truth, so he gets high to cope. It doesn't seem that he thinks Nancy is understanding.

Again, Robin could have been the person that would have made her realize wait, the way I take people for granted, and sometimes treat is wrong. Instead, we got yet another person instantly liking her and going along with everything she does, so Nancy never had to do anything for it, despite the obvious conflicts that should have arisen when they first met. But like I said before, the show doesn't have much time and focuses more on the plot, so there is no real development for characters, and everyone has to get along. I also think Stranger Things wanted a strong girl duo like Elmax, so they just threw Ronance together without conflict because they wanted to avoid drama, which would take up too much screentime. I can't emphasize the fact that Stranger Things suffers so much because it has too much plot and not enough time. Plus, I believe making Robin angry at Nancy on Steve's behalf would mean acknowledging that Stancy ended in a bad way or that Jancy maybe didn't have this cute start as a romance, but that would also mean recognizing Steve might have not been the only one who was wrong which is simply not possible. When s2 aired and people pointed out hey did Nancy cheat on Steve, did they really break up because a lot of people didn't view the fight in the ally as a break, especially because Nancy mentions she likes Steve at Murray's and Steve went to her house, the Duffers had to confirm it via interviews because I doubt they thought people would sympathize with Steve. Hence, why the narrative only blames him because they wanted the audience root for Jancy.

Long story short, I would have switched roles for platonic Ronance in the show. When it comes to romantic Ronance, that's mostly on the fandom. Everyone is allowed to ship whatever, I personally just don't think they are a good match. I don't see Nancy being patient enough with Robin's neurodivergent ways. She wouldn't handle her rambling over time very well. Nancy gets quickly irrated and snaps. Like Robin already felt the need to explain herself to her, making sure everything is okay because Nancy made her feel like her personality is too much and has faults, like her mom constantly tells her. Whereas with Vickie, she felt immediately at ease when they talked. More of that later. Robin is also poor, maybe a bit better off than Jonathan, but still, Nancy already doesn't get Jonathan's problems. Another reason is that because Steve is Robin's bff, Robin wouldn't want to date her all together. Like she sees Steve still likes her, she knows how much Nancy hurt him to a point that he is serial dating because he has like trust issues, that would immediately turn her off. Robin values Steve's friendship way too much than try to jeopardize it in any way. It's not like Steve wouldn't allow her to date Nancy, I think he would do everything to make Robin happy even if it costs his own happiness. Robin knows Steve. She would know that he would be hurt, and that's ultimately the factor that turns her off. Maya already confirmed that Robin values platonic relationships so much, so yeah. Just think about it that way. How would Robin feel if Steve suddenly would show interest in Vickie and starts dating her? That would be kinda fucked, same goes for Ronance, Robin knows Steve still likes her. I'm also a believer that you shouldn't necessarily date your bffs ex, it's just too messy especially if that relationship ended rather badly.

@findafight had this amazing post about one-sided Ronance, where they described exactly what I'm trying to convey. Nancy is the one interested, but ultimately, Robin declines because of her relationship to Steve. They also have several other posts about Ronance if you want to check it out. Another blog that discusses Ronance and has similar opinions is @thestobingirlie

What I dislike the most is that in Ronance, mostly Robin is only an ounce of her typical character. Her relationship with Steve is downplayed. She makes fun of him with Nancy, she lies to him about her relationship, even asks for sex advice in some fics which is just very weird and so ooc for her to do. Same goes for Steddie, as soon as either Steve or Robin go into a relationship both characters are so ooc, you almost don't recognize them, plus they only have time for their partners and their friendship gets sidelined, which again doesn't make sense for their characters. Ronance is also mostly beneficial to Nancy as it's viewed more how Robin can save her so she doesn't have to end up with a man. Hence, all the posts about how Robin is the only person who gets her, which is also such a shitty thing to say because both Jonathan and Steve were trying. Like Nancy's character development hinges more on her relationship with Robin than doing some soul-searching. Because for real, all her relationships so far are kinda meh because she doesn't know how to communicate properly with her partners, Robin wouldn't magically make everything better because she's a girl. Nancy needs to be single first and discover who she is without jumping in a new relationship. She needs therapy and has to work on her people skills to be a better partner for future relationships.

Also, so many people want Nancy to have a friend, and when Robin comes along, they immediately make it romantic. Robin can still be there for Nancy and understand her as a friend. I don't think she was romantically interested in Nancy in the show. She was actively pushing for Stancy. She only ever talked about being into Vickie romantically. Robin should be allowed to make a friend who is a girl without making it into a romance just because she is a lesbian. Lesbians can have platonic girl friends, lol. Fact is that so many see Robin interacting with a girl as romantic because she is looking at her and then ignore her real crush she talks about all the time.

Now to Rovickie and Vickie. What I meant with people not giving Vickie a chance because she's a girl and interested in a sapphic relationship is a common occurrence throughout fandoms in general. Guys are usually preferred when talking about characters or shipping. Girls have it so much harder. Like with Gareth, I don't think my comparison of him and Vickie was nonsensical or dumb. The fandom had no problems coming up with interesting headcanons for him, even outside the crackship. Almost all the hellfire boys, but especially Gareth because he's the most objectively attractive one of the group, got more love from the fandom. Vickie, on the other hand, is mostly used as the villain in Ronance fics, who is in the way of the main ship. People in general call her boring or too similar to Robin, which is insane because we have one scene where she rambles because she is talking to her potential crush. Also, being similar doesn't have to mean it's bad. Like I mentioned earlier, Vickie rambling is showing Robin it's okay to do so, which makes her feel immediately relaxed because she doesn't have to explain herself to Vickie. Not to mention the biphobia that runs through fandoms. The fact that Vickie had a boyfriend, who she broke up with, was enough. People usually headcanon Nancy as a lesbian than making her bi. Steve's only a bi icon when he's shipped with guys, like him dating a girl is seen as less valued or popular. Again, everyone can headcanon characters sexuality how they like, you do you it's just apparent that characters who are seen as bi are only celebrated for dating a person of the same sex.

Lastly, think about it if Vickie was a guy who was the love interest for Steve, there would be non-stop content for her. She would be well loved within the fandom. But Vickie is a girl, and if she were used as the love interest for Steve instead of Robin, she would also face the same scrutiny the already faces now. She's the villain in the way of ships because she's only a side character and not the full meal like you described. A male characters even with almost no screentime, will always get better treatment than female characters.

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many people who use typology have never engaged with reality and it shows. Let me go through the two main, sadly very common mentalities which expose you as a retard who doesn't understand the real world.

"you cant develop your blindspot." Whether you can or can't develop the ability to properly give a shit about your blindspot... life is going to force you to at least pretend you care about your blindspot and fake it til you make it. otherwise you literally die. People are forced by the world to either enact their blindspot to survive (causing dumb typologers to mistype ppl as their blindspot), or perish. This especially applies if your blindspot is soc or sp. sp-blinds have to pay the bills, clean their rooms and develop a stable routine that nurtures their bodies and souls, despite their apathy towards their financial status and their personal comforts. soc-blinds have to sell a social image of themselves to get a job and then further develop an image as someone reliable if they want to get better pay, despite their apathy towards their social status. there is something in all our lives which demands us to engage our blindspot and if we dont step up, we lose at life.

"Socs are nice and groupthinky and soc blinds are mean and edgy and individualistic" shows me you're sp-blind, probably a 4 and/or 5 fix obsessed with your wet dream of how much more individualistic than thou you are too. if you think soc-blind is about being mean, you don't understand the slightest thing about what an sp-haver and a soc-blind actually thinks. I question if anyone who thinks this way has ever actually tried to provide for themselves in the sp way. sp is about AVOIDING risks and staying stable. To hold down a job and be economically stable in the safest way possible -- what sp is about -- the method is to be to be fucking nice to people and keep your head down so that you aren't deemed Bad For Corporate Image and cut off from your stream of income. to maintain your sp comforts rather than deal with the DANGER (thing sp avoids) of them being threatened, you have to not piss people off. It baffles me that so called sp-havers don't know this and go around assuming that anyone who is kind and bearable must be some sort of soc. the concept of "being nice to avoid conflict and protect myself" is foreign to these so-called sp-havers, which reeks of sp-blindness. Sp-dom is always aware of threats to their sp needs and doesn't want to drag needless conflict into their lives that could risk their financial stability and comfy routines. Sp-doms are those people who fearfully and resentfully keep their social media image as plain and as milquetoast as possible, so that their corporate job doesn't fire them. Yes even sp/sx does this, tho we struggle to tame ourselves more than sp/so because of the explosiveness of sx... we still do it. I have kept my internet rage anonymous for years and am only just decompartmentalizing my life and developing the courage to be myself on the internet with my true face because I feared losing my job over it, for years. Sp is about this soulless pragmatism. It is aligned with type 6 (soc is aligned with type 3 and sx is aligned with type 9), so even if you're not a 6 or 6 fix, having sp will add 6-like traits to you. the wimpiness and cowardice of sp (gotta keep my head down so my employers keep paying me!) applies to ppl even if they are assertive types... The only conflict sp-doms will engage in is around their resources, and in modern society the best way to get resources is almost never conflict, it is through (unfortunately) keeping your head down and shutting up so that you are hireable. almost ALL sp-doms know this. so they train themselves to be nice, and will seldom be cunts. because it is most safe + profitable to be nice. it is low risk to be nice. so sp-doms like being nice. yes we will be grumpy and low energy if you fuck with our routines and other sp things. but we are fundamentally NOT edgy (at least compared to our sx and soc siblings of the same enneatype) because starting conflict is risky and thats the antithesis of sp. Soc is the instinct about status and showing off and shining your image to the world. Socs all have 3-like traits even if they don't have any 3 in their enneatype. they are the ones who enjoy engaging in social drama and being socially mean and petty, because this is an avenue to attain status and peacock your social role in the community and define who you are to others. This trait can be used for better or worse.